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1 • Korora 20 (by Justinian on 2014-01-27 11:23:53 GMT from Philippines) |
Same experience as Jesse with the Cinnamon flavor of Korora 20. Will make do with it since Mint does not display on my Llano desktop after installation.
2 • Korora (by Terence on 2014-01-27 12:31:02 GMT from United States)
I like to distro hop (though I have slowed in recent weeks) and in the end, I like Fedora and I love Korora, so that is what I typically call home. Currently using Cinnamon because I like how you can install new themes. Korora just works on my ThinkPad E520 with no hardware problems at all.
Still not a huge fan of SELinux, because when I try to import OpenVPN configurations, I get nothing but problems.
In all honesty, I am ready to ditch (conventional) Linux for a Chromebook. I am waging an internal war, because psychologically I want the simplicity of a Chromebook, but the privacy of nothing with Google's name attached.
3 • PearOS shutdown (by Thomas on 2014-01-27 13:27:48 GMT from Netherlands)
I'm surprised to not see this mentioned at all.
It happens that niche distros go south, but selling out like this looks terrible.
You can't provide a distro with a cloud service and then shut it down on 10 days notice.
4 • @3 small distros (by greg on 2014-01-27 13:54:49 GMT from Slovenia)
well that's the problme with these small distros. they can be nice, warm and fuzzy, but they can also stop existing just like that. now imagine having a ocmpany with 10.000 desktop mashicnes whose OS suddenly stops being supported. no time to test new one etc. support is just suddenly dropped. no wonder companies tend to deal with a bit better finnacially backed companies that have been arroudn for a while...
5 • @3 & 4 re: small distros (by mark on 2014-01-27 14:24:27 GMT from United States)
Forking a new distro from one of the bigger distros (Debian, Red Hat, etc) is relatively easy compared to the effort that goes into maintaining the fork and hosting it. I appreciate the zeal of the people who fork these distros, but without funding and a compelling reason to exist, most will end up closing up shop within a few years of when they started.
6 • @4,5 re: small distros (by Thomas on 2014-01-27 15:00:19 GMT from Netherlands)
That he decided to stop working on it is not what I'm upset about.
As you said, it takes a lot of work to keep maintaining such a project.
We saw it with SolusOS too, the project leader bit off more than he could chew and decided: you know what, this is going nowhere, I'll stop.
That sucked, but it's fine, it happens. Valiant effort on a compelling project, not all projects will succeed.
PearOS' shutdown feels different, though. No transparency whatsoever with regard to what's going on and then just suddenly nuke the project, that's not cool.
It leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
7 • @3,@4,@5,@6 (by jaws222 on 2014-01-27 15:13:15 GMT from United States)
Interesting thought here regarding Pear
8 • Uber Student (by Carling on 2014-01-27 17:07:03 GMT from United States)
I love promoting Linux education distribution, Over the passed couple of weeks I have been trying to get on Uberstudent website, It seems to have gone off line for some unknown reason, I would like to know if this is another Linux distribution that's hit the dust. It would be a great pity if it has, it was one of the best Linux education distribution, Do any of you know anything about it.
9 • Korora (by fernbap on 2014-01-27 17:15:44 GMT from Portugal)
tried Korora, and, while giving a pleasant live experience, it suffers from the same issues i had withe Fedora.
This time the experience was good enough for me to decide to install it, so, after passing through that horrendous fedora installer, it installed. Then i rebooted and it didn't boot, saying that he couldn't find the partition where it was installed (???). Perhaps because i installed it on sda15?
So, for me any fedora based distro is a no go...
10 • @8 Uberstudent (by Rev_Don on 2014-01-27 17:16:18 GMT from United States)
According to their Facebook page there is a problem with the host who doesn't appear to be returning calls or responding the e-mails.
11 • @9 (by jaws222 on 2014-01-27 17:26:07 GMT from United States)
I feel your pain. I installed Korora twice and both times after updates it crashed and failed to recognize my password when I tried to get back in after restart. I even tried recovery and no joy. I had a similar issue with F20 where I couldn't change clock settings. I could boot in fine but the clock settings gave me authentication errors.
12 • FreeBSD... (by Vukota on 2014-01-27 18:03:35 GMT from United States)
Another good DWW. Interesting stuff about FreeBSD 10.0. To me, changes looks radical, maybe it deserves a whole review?
13 • @3,6 (by :wq on 2014-01-27 19:11:08 GMT from United States)
"Its future is now in hands of a company who wants to remain anonymous for the moment. The concept has pleased them it and now wants to continue and improve the system for their own products. I can not give a name but it is a very large company well known..."
The closure/purchase annoucement reads like Pear OS was sold to Emperor Palpatine. It certainly creates more questions than answers.
"Pear Cloud users must recover their files on Pear Cloud servers. In 10 days (january 31), the files will be deleted and the server will be offline."
I hope no (former) Pear Cloud users' files were lost due to the short notice, but, IMO, data loss is a better fate than having the stewardship of that data turned over to an unknown entity.
14 • PearOS (by Bill on 2014-01-27 19:56:01 GMT from United States)
These guys say that PearOS will continue as ClementineOS..
15 • @14 (by jaws222 on 2014-01-27 19:59:19 GMT from United States)
That's strange. I love Clementine as a media player. I wonder what the OS will be like. Interesting,
16 • Clementine OS (by :wq on 2014-01-27 20:08:01 GMT from United States)
http://clementineos.hj.cx/ is down at the moment.
Yes we are aware that are site is currently down we are working hard with are hosting company to get issue resolved quickly."
"John Paul Wohlschied
Until then, anyone who wants to contribute to the project can submit their info here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/16bm_m0Y0MQGqllYR3k-VDif1U4fiS82QK5oF6-827UA/viewform"
17 • flash in the pan (by :wq on 2014-01-27 20:28:52 GMT from United States)
Perhaps I'm being a pessimist, but I would be a little surprised if the Clementine OS project survives longer than the Cloverleaf Linux project did.
18 • @9 Advanced partition tables (by Scott Dowdle on 2014-01-27 20:47:37 GMT from United States)
I have sort of been collecting complex partition table listings lately. Would you consider sharing yours? Just do an fdisk -l /dev/sda > sda-parts.txt and email i tto me. email@example.com
I've found a number of cases where users have really convoluted partition tables where start and stop sectors are out of order, partitions are out of order, etc. Basically I've seen twisted partition tables and agreed, the Fedora installer doesn't like them. I'm not saying your partition table is twisted, but I'd like to take a look at it if you don't mind. A better alternative would be a screenshot of gparted viewing your disk.
Thanks in advance for any consideration.
19 • PearOS (by byku on 2014-01-27 22:14:40 GMT from Poland)
Maybe we will hear something about PearOS after 8.IV? Maybe there is an OEM which wants to catch some XP users. There is still time to polish it a bit ;)
20 • yumex woes (by Mike on 2014-01-28 00:47:40 GMT from United States)
Jesse's difficulty with yumex sounds suspiciously like the recurring Fedora issue I have, namely the devs inability to tame the evil packagekit daemon. No matter how I tuned it, the daemon was locking the yum database for long periods. Attempting to uninstall packagekit revealed bizarre co-dependencies on gdm (!) and other packages that I can't recall. Immediately showed Fedora the door!
Ironically yumex works smoothly for me on the latest version of CentOS - no packagekit, no problem!
21 • The Fedora Installer (by Paraquat on 2014-01-28 03:26:25 GMT from Taiwan)
Like Jesse, I just don't get this new "improved" Fedora installer. The old installer, Anaconda, was great. Then the developers decided that it needed to be rewritten starting with Fedora 18, and despite the scathing criticism that has followed, they've just dug in their heels, put their fingers in their ears, and refuse to believe that they screwed up. When you try to engage them in a discussion on how they could fix the issues (like the very confusing partitioning scheme), they just insist that their dumb users don't understand the greatness of the new installer, and no, they aren't going to fix it.
22 • re 21 Fedora installer (by corneliu on 2014-01-28 03:43:46 GMT from Canada)
I don't like the new partitioner in the installer. However, some of the problems stem from the file systems and their limitations. So some problems are not Fedora's fault, they come from upstream. Anyway, the partitioner has a lot of room for improvement.
When I installed the latest Fedora I decided to go back to ext4 instead of btrfs. With ext4 I had a much better partitioning experience. Also ext4 seems to be noticeably faster on my Intel SSD than btrfs. And since I don't need all the fancy features of btrfs (like time line), ext4 is exactly what I need.
23 • Pear OS going pear shaped (by Simon on 2014-01-28 06:42:54 GMT from New Zealand)
Notice that he says he looks forward to returning to the scene of "open source"; not "free software". Lends weight to Stallman's argument that the difference is important. Free software involves values, and projects that share these values tend to have community governance so that users can't be shafted by greedy developers.
24 • Free and Freed (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2014-01-28 07:39:08 GMT from United States)
Doesn't Freed Software also require developers donate their services?
Or all developers just leeches, inflating the value of their contributions in their own minds, like ... never mind.
25 • [Fruit]OS! (by zykoda on 2014-01-28 11:05:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
Free advertisements can't be worthless! What next? Tangerunix? Adam's provocative nibble at the trademark?
26 • Pear is now clementine (by Wolf on 2014-01-28 17:26:31 GMT from Germany)
Yeah it's true it says so on the HP
Looks exactly like pearos HP and even links to pearos.com or so
Who knows something about the guy or guys behind clementine?
27 • @26 (by :wq on 2014-01-28 19:48:01 GMT from United States)
Clementine OS has received more attention than it merits at this point, so this is an apology in advance for further contributing to that. From what I can tell, there won't be a release until after Ubuntu 14.04 is released, if the project lasts that long. I could be mistaken, but I believe it's primarily driven by one person, who appears to have no significant previous experience. Quoting from that person's Google+ About info: "Employment- Clementine OS Linux Operating System Company, 2014 - present", and YouTube About info: "I do Linux distribution reviews and Ubuntu/tutorials".
28 • @ 7 "Interesting thought " (by forlin on 2014-01-28 20:38:11 GMT from Portugal)
Pear's announcement: "Its future is now in the hands of a company who wants to remain anonymous for the moment. The concept has pleased them, and [they] now want to continue and improve the system for their own products."
There's only one company that could benefit on developing Pear for its own products, at least in its domestic market: LENOVO !!!
29 • Clementine OS (by Rev_Don on 2014-01-29 03:12:25 GMT from United States)
Based on his Google+ page and his Youtube channel it would appear that the developer is a 14 -15 year old kid. Doesn't sound very promising.
30 • Clementine OS and music player (by Ronald Buckman on 2014-01-29 04:59:20 GMT from United States)
With the name Clementine OS, the Clementine music player will probably have to be included in order to avoid possible legal action from the Clementine music player developers. Clementine's music player is a very good player, but the iso will need to have the qt libraries needed to run it. Would be no problem if its going to be a DVD iso. Not, that I would want to install Clementine OS, I'm happy with Ubuntu Christian Edition and Ubuntu GNOME Trusty alpha. The only Linux distribution that I know of which has the same name as some software that doesn't include the named software is Unity Linux which was founded before the Unity desktop shell.
31 • @ 28 "Interesting thought " (by forlin (by Chanath on 2014-01-30 07:24:09 GMT from Poland)
>Pear's announcement: "Its future is now in the hands of a company who wants to remain anonymous for the moment. The concept has pleased them, and [they] now want to continue and improve the system for their own products."<
David got what he wanted; a company to buy it off him, pay for his future etc. The whole idea was to make an easy distro that would bring in money, just like Zorin OS, with available, but not used by other distros apps, few of one's own apps, which would help the user, on a most used base, Ubuntu. Its not a problem to "create" a Pear OS or Zorin OS with available apps.
The "old" Slingshot launcher and "new" other apps from eOS, few from Mint repos, some from Gnome and you have Pear OS.
Anyway, David had achieved what he wanted; a buyer for his distro and well paid future. Good luck to him. I liked his work. While, the others talked, David did his work.
32 • Korora's/Qubes' installation and package management (by fructosefree on 2014-01-30 10:38:45 GMT from Australia)
Don't like the Fedora-based installation and package management in Korora 20, Jesse? You could try reviewing Qubes.
Their Release 2, Beta 3 is out now and very stable and able for production use according to the Beta 2 review at www.rationallyparanoid.com/articles/qubes.html.
It has its own installer (non-Fedora). I would like to see how well the updates go in the TemplateVM, and your rating of package management system to install what you want for each separate AppVM which uses 400MB each.
Qubes separates the Networking, Online Banking, App, Template and Firewall VMs so if one insecurely goes down the others stay put. The host dom0 is separate from everything and the keyboard is separate from the monitor in Virtual Machines.
You can also Virtualize MS Windows; and other OS under it but with QVM. I wonder if anyone has any comments on how flexible this is to say run private/secure OS like Tails/OpenBSD from an ISO and install Tails to a USB key and have QVM detect the Tails VM from that USB key manually with a shortcut to the desktop. Or have OpenBSD install to the HDD virutally and be detected the same way.
33 • Yum Extender Korora 20 (by Maik on 2014-01-30 14:34:21 GMT from Belgium)
I have been running Korora 20 Xfce ever since the Beta came out and never had any problems with Yum Extender, after clicking on the History button.....
It might be a bit slower but it never stopped working and still does it's job as should.
34 • Korora/PC-BSD (by Dave Postles on 2014-01-30 15:00:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
Korora has been working fine for me - PCSpecialist small-form factor desktop with 8Gb RAM with powerline ethernet.
My complaint is that I can't download an iso of PC-BSD without the connection going down and not receiving the full 3.6Gb. I haven't tried 10 then, but does it still have the same difficulty in automatically mounting a USB drive?
35 • @30 (by JMiahMan on 2014-01-30 20:24:34 GMT from United States)
@ 30 no Clementine audio player will not need to be included. They are two different things... ie. a Music player and an OS, so I doubt any "legal" action could be taken. Also last I knew Clementine didn't have much of a legal team and even if they did it takes quite a bit of resources to even threaten legal action. I doubt it even matters. You're kind of reaching here..
36 • @36 (by Ronald Buckman on 2014-01-30 22:15:23 GMT from United States)
I looked at the web site of the Clementine music player and I did not see any trademark notice. Therefore, Clementine OS is free to use the Clementine name without the permission of the leaders of the Clementine music player and do not have to include the Clementine music player. Although, IMHO the Clementine music player should be included due to the expectation of users.
37 • pear os8 (by cl1 on 2014-01-31 08:19:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
Can still download pear os8 torrents at
to see what the fuss is about
38 • Fruit Electronics (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2014-01-31 08:32:33 GMT from United States)
Looks like the 'Clementine OS' website issue is resolved.
39 • Korora or Fedora Installer (by Old Goat on 2014-02-01 19:17:05 GMT from United States)
I have never been able to install either unless I let the application do it's own partitioning. I have never been able to install it where I want it, with only an ext3 file system.
I don't want it to take over my hard drive. It's my hard drive and not theirs.
I would like to read detailed instructions on how to install with multiple partitions already being used on the hard drive. Format a partition so it is vacant and then install on that partition.
40 • @38 RE: Fruit Electronics - Clementine OS Website (by Rev_Don on 2014-02-02 02:56:01 GMT from United States)
"Looks like the 'Clementine OS' website issue is resolved."
Not really. It still isn't working up here in NE Wisconsin. Numerous computers, operating systems, browsers, locations, and providers and http://clementineos.hj.cx/ still won't open.
41 • 40 Is NE WI cut off? (by Fossilizing Dinosaur on 2014-02-02 09:26:39 GMT from United States)
From much of the global internet?
http://downforme.org/ http://www.isup.me/ http://www.downforeveryone.com/ http://doj.me/ http://www.websitenotworking.com/ ... http://2008foreveryoneorjustme.com/
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