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1 • Fun on the command line - sl (by johannes on 2013-08-19 11:43:25 GMT from Austria) |
sl has options - see man sl. sl -alF gives the most expanded animation.
2 • reviews (by mandog on 2013-08-19 13:03:18 GMT from Peru)
I wish Jesse would review other than KDE the reviews are getting rather boring the major distros all offer a choice not I'm comfortable wirh KDE.
I would like to know how Korora 19 "Bruce" performs with Gnome not KDE we all know how KDE performs and all its faults that do not get mentioned any more?
3 • rev can be useful (by Pearson on 2013-08-19 13:36:28 GMT from United States)
There've been times that I wanted to quickly group files, and wanted to group them by the end of the file name (including the extension). My quick-and-good-enough solution was to ls | rev | sort | rev. This can be useful whenever the important information is at the end of the text, but without consistent separators Consider:
I can sort them with (this is untested, but should work)
ls | rev |sort -t- -k 3 -k 2 -k1 | sort
4 • Korora (by TuxTest on 2013-08-19 13:59:01 GMT from Canada)
I installed Korora Bruce on my Lenovo T400 laptop with the GNOME 3.8 desktop. After a week of use, the system works perfectly. All hardware is supported. The start is not the best fastest but is not slow. It's average. On the other hand, the closure is very very fast until a few seconds and the laptop is closed.
I also tested the KDE and I must say that Gnome 3.8 is much faster version. The improvements made on the gnome Version 3.8 brings a lot of interesting tools that provides fluid experience user.
Launching applications (firefox, libreoffice, Gimp, VLC etc. ..) is between 1 to 1.5 seconds
I love my user experience so far and I'll keep Korora on my T400 for the next couple months.
Improvement according to me:
1. Built on a Korora Grub2 splash theme and why not to start at boot have a theme Korora (Mascot)
2. The installation process is a Horror! This horror will cause a large number of new user will not be able to made the installation process especially in the partitioning step. The art of complicating what should be simple.
My conclusion: Overall this is a good system in day to day task and should appeal to a large number of users IF IF he's can install ?
5 • sl | rev (by AliasMarlowe on 2013-08-19 14:58:29 GMT from Finland)
Of course, sometimes combining wacky with wacky will result in lockup of the command shell. Although sl and rev both work fine, piping one to the other (sl | rev) does not work as expected in XFCE's terminal emulator.
6 • sl: command not found (by Herb on 2013-08-19 16:03:10 GMT from United States)
I can't find sl in OpenSuse (running KDE). What package should I install (cnf comes up empty)?
7 • Re #3, slight correction (by Pearson on 2013-08-19 16:34:11 GMT from United States)
Note that my last example doesn't sort the dates *exactly* correctly (Aug 13 would come before May 31). But, the idea does still work to extract information from the end of a string.
In other words, rev is not a totally silly command, but it can be used for that.
It's also an interesting way to obfuscate something:
echo "Don't tell John about his surprise" | rev | write fred
8 • End the (PackageKit) Insanity??? (by Sam on 2013-08-19 17:16:37 GMT from United States)
Reading the review of Korora, I see yet another OS using KDE flummoxed by PackageKit. How many versions of KDE have those devs gone through where that PackageKit lock on the upgrades has been an issue? I remember that problem across distributions, most recently for me in OpenSuSE 12.3. I can't imagine a relative Linux newbie distrohopping and finding a distro where one of their first experiences is the distro's software updates failing to update sticking with that distro for long. Knowing to disable the PackageKit process is not intuitive, take some command line work, and, quite frankly, shouldn't be a surprise at this point to any distribution using KDE. I'm not knocking the KDE devs, but between them and the various distros using KDE, somebody's had to have thought "Hey, this is annoying. How do we fix it?"
9 • Overcast Distro Warning (by Ismail Arslangiray on 2013-08-19 17:19:31 GMT from United States)
This is from their website. Be careful about this distro
"JUST 2 LET U KNOW, The Installer And Wireless Have Passwords. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE! - BUT THERE IS GOOD NEWS! - YOU CAN STILL INSTALL IT! You Just Have To Choose INSTALL On The Boot Menu! AND THINGS WILL BE JUST FINE! :-) "
10 • Fun with command line (by Solt Budavari on 2013-08-19 17:26:05 GMT from Hungary)
sl is really cool. =)
Try and see what
$ apt-get moo
11 • PackageKit (by Jesse on 2013-08-19 17:39:32 GMT from Canada)
I'm not sure why you are associating PackageKit with KDE. PackageKit ships with many distributions, both those with KDE and those with other desktop environments, the two technologies aren't really connected. As I've pointed out in past reviews, there are plenty of times PackageKit causes problems when running it with the GNOME desktop too, this isn't a desktop-specific issue.
But as to your point about PackageKit as a whole, it is terrible. I have no idea why distributions continue to ships such obviously broken software.
12 • PackageKit: broken, bug, or mis-used? (by Fossilizing_Dinosaur on 2013-08-19 18:31:06 GMT from United States)
I suggest distros wouldn't continue to ship PackageKit if it were "obviously broken". Was it mis-configured by default? Is there a commonly-encountered bug the dev is reluctant to fix? Are there some things it shouldn't be asked/allowed to do?
13 • Korora (by jaws222 on 2013-08-19 18:48:51 GMT from United States)
Does anyone know if Korora has the same install issues as F19?
14 • Korora installer (by arthurT on 2013-08-19 19:58:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
In reply to 13 - yes, it's exactly the same and I think it's one of the worst installers of any distro and certainly worse than the other major ones!
15 • @14 (by jaws222 on 2013-08-19 21:56:55 GMT from United States)
That's what I thought. I'm surprised Korora didn't try a better installer. I bet that would have made people happier.
16 • More CLI Fun (by Serge on 2013-08-19 22:07:04 GMT from United States)
My favorite silly command line commands, on distros with apt-get and / or aptitude, are the following:
For aptitude, also pass multiple verbose arguments to the command like this:
aptitude moo -v (or aptitude -v moo, same thing)
aptitude moo -vv
aptitude moo -vvv
...and so on up to 6x v's.
The final is a reference to Antoine de Saint-Exupery's The Little Prince.
17 • @10 - My apologies (by Serge on 2013-08-19 22:15:36 GMT from United States)
Sorry, I don't know how I overlooked that you had already posted apt-get moo. I didn't mean any offense.
18 • Fedora/Korora Installer (by Derek on 2013-08-20 03:31:03 GMT from United States)
The only good thing I can say about the Install program used by Fedora and Korora is the user is set up during the install instead of having to reboot then set up the user. Beyond that it is terrible. On some screens the button to click to continue is in the upper left corner and sometimes in the lower right. I did see a couple small improvements between fedora 18 and 19 so maybe it will just take a little time to get it right.
After the next release if its still just as bad I really hope Korora will go with a different installer
19 • PackageKit (by Anonymous Coward on 2013-08-20 04:26:14 GMT from United States)
I thought everyone knew the first thing you're supposed to do after installation is remove PackageKit (and apper, if KDE).
They're completely useless.
On Redhat based distros just use yumex.
On openSUSE use yast.
20 • Add to #19 (by Anonymous Coward on 2013-08-20 04:29:01 GMT from United States)
Or of course, just use command line package management, which is much more efficient. The only thing I ever might use graphical package management tools for is a general search. Especially when looking for a lot of extra plugins and supporting packages.
21 • Re: Help with Anaconda (Korora's installer) (by eco2geek on 2013-08-20 05:57:48 GMT from United States)
At least Korora's made a nice video of an installation walk-through and included it both on their live installation DVDs and on their web site.
22 • PackageKit (by greg on 2013-08-20 07:28:46 GMT from Slovenia)
KpackageKit was KDE based PackageKit and was sort of part of many KDE based distributions. KDE site says it is replaced by Apper.
23 • @20, If you know exactly what you need. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-20 11:58:35 GMT from United States)
The command line for package management is much more efficient as you stated. It's great if you know exactly what you are looking for. I use the command line quite often for installing, updating, cleaning, and solving problems. For new ones using Linux, something like a Software Center where they can browse around and then maybe even something like Synaptic can really help manage your system. I don't like or use package kit or kpackage kit. I do consider those applications to be broken and not fit for the general public.
24 • Fedora installer (by Scott Dowdle on 2013-08-20 21:10:59 GMT from United States)
jaws22 - I use the Fedora installer on a fairly frequent basis (almost daily) and I haven't had the first bit of problems with it. I must admit when it first came out, it took a bit of getting used to, but after the mental adjustment was made (mostly with reading the screens), it works fine.
If you have encountered a bug, I encourage you to get involved with reporting.
25 • Neptune 3.2 (by Onyx on 2013-08-20 23:15:02 GMT from New Zealand)
The zevenOS team do an amazing job with Neptune; taking the latest stable Debian, give an updated kernel, and latest userspace applications including KDE 4.10.5 - absolutely brilliant as a modern desktop system! It also runs RazorQT 0.5.2 very quickly if you want something lightweight. Also impressive is the response in the forums; Leszek keeps everyone going.
26 • Re: Fedora Core (by silent on 2013-08-21 08:28:40 GMT from Hungary)
Sounds like cost cutting and no more integrity tests for packages outside the core. Fedora could lose a selling point. Arch Linux already uses a similar system (in order of decreasing support: core; extra; community; and AUR scripts). Unexpected upstream changes already make the life of Linux distro devs rather difficult.Unexpected core modifications can cause further frustrations for packagers, so good communication is important as ever.
27 • Ghost BSD (by Dave Postles on 2013-08-21 12:18:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
I wonder why the developers have replaced LibreOffice by Apache OpenOffice?
28 • couldn't find aafire - install libaa-bin (by Mark E on 2013-08-21 13:43:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
Couldn't find aafire with aptitude search. So did an internet search and found it's in the package libaa-bin
Now I have fire!
29 • @27 GostBSD and OpenOffice/LibreOffice (by Pearson on 2013-08-21 14:36:52 GMT from United States)
My guess would be that the Apache license (used by OpenOffice) is more compatible (or at least more consistent?) with the BSD license than LGPLv3 (used by LibreOffice).
30 • Back to basics, even before marketing (by Ben Myers on 2013-08-21 19:04:35 GMT from United States)
Some of the software here in DistroWatch still seems to ignore the basics. Hey, it's not even marketing (a dirty word to some) to actually tell people what your software does. Today, I'll pick on Calligra here, mostly because I do not want to spend 15 minutes registering to post something on their forum.
Calligra may be the most wonderful software in the world, but what does it do? What is it? Go to the Calligra Suite website and the home page tells you nothing about what it is or what it does, just announcements. See for yourself:
The only hint is in the blue bar of my browser: "The integrated work applications suite." OMG, You gotta tell people why you worked so many long hours on this thing. Gee, I won't even get into how to market and promote your stuff. And the Calligra folk expect all of us to jump up and download their suite? Sell me as to why I should do so. Pretend I do not have enough hours in the day to download your software and play with it. Playing with software is out of the question for the large majority of us unwashed... Ben Myers
31 • @24 (by jaws222 on 2013-08-21 22:17:01 GMT from United States)
Yes, maybe "issues" is a bad word. I should have just said the same install method. I really liked Anaconda and wish they would have stuck with it.
32 • On Owncloud (by Adam Williamson on 2013-08-22 04:22:12 GMT from Canada)
If you try GNOME 3.8 or later, you'll see that you can set up Owncloud accounts in the 'online accounts' settings. when you set one up, it'll add it as a sidebar item in Nautilus and the file chooser, and configure the calendar and contacts for the account to sync in Evolution. how's that for cloud integration? :)
33 • @26 (by Adam Williamson on 2013-08-22 04:27:55 GMT from Canada)
The DWW description isn't entirely accurate. it's more about recognizing that it's difficult to manage Fedora-for-desktops, Fedora-as-a-cloud-appliance, Fedora-as-a-webserver and so on in exactly the same way. for instance, we have a strict policy against library bundling in Fedora, which makes packaging webapps, ruby stuff or java stuff kind of a nightmare. with the core/rings approach, we could handle webapps as a ring, for instance, with a different packaging policy.
34 • @ #30 • Back to basics, even before marketing (by Ben Myers) (by Pierre on 2013-08-22 07:33:09 GMT from Germany)
If you go there you most likely visit their homepage because already know what Calligra is and just want to dig a little deeper and get to know a few more details and whether it fits your needs or not.
You can do so quite easily and have a look at each application that the Calligra suite has in store for you. It's nicely illustrated by screenshots. So honestly, I cannot unterstand what the fuss is all about.
You only can get to know what the benefits of this or that software is, when you testdrive it. This is the reason why everyone, even commercial and closed software like MS Office, can be easily downloaded and tested.
And this time of testdriving software is imported, so time is wisely invested here. If you don't have the time for that, stay with the software you use right now.
Simple as that. :)
35 • Caligra (by greg on 2013-08-23 06:32:53 GMT from Slovenia)
the Ben Myers @30 does have a valid point though. The first page should tell what caligra is. if nothing else so that google would find it at office suite or something similar keyword.
it should have a nice slogan to tell the users what is it.
sure testing is also good and necessry but still tellign people what the project is about seems like a good practice.
36 • Calligra (by Pierre on 2013-08-23 06:46:30 GMT from Germany)
If you ask me, it's obvious and you get to know the very first moment when you look at the big application symbols.
There is no need to tell what already is obvious in my eyes. And if you are interested you become curious will klick on the symbol that seems most interesting and then you get a short description of the app, nicely illustrated by pictures.
So again, no need for explaining what you actually can see at first sight.
And Calligra is very beautiful if you ask me. I am using it at home for office work and makes you productive by being intuitive. More than Libre/Open Office. Both running on a Java VM are quite slow and heavy, not delivering much more features than the little more lightweight Calligra and both are not integrating well into DEs. At least not as good as Calligra does integrate into KDE.
So first choice for me.
37 • RE:Calligra the unknown. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-23 11:43:22 GMT from United States)
Greg does have a good point. If a person does a Google search for an office suite they will get every answer except for Calligra. You get Microsoft Office, Open Office, and even Libre Office, but no Calligra. That is on the first page of the search. What is on the web site or what you see on the web site is irrelevant. People are not going to go there if they don't know it exist and they won't see the big pretty symbols. Maybe the developers of Calligra think people already know about their products. Who knows? The only reason we know about it is because of dealing with open source software and going to Distrowatch often. It is a very nice, light weight office suite and it really is a shame that it is hidden so. These are what my eyes see.
38 • More on Calligra (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-23 12:04:36 GMT from United States)
Maybe the Calligra developers don't worry about marketing because the office suite seems to be basically a KDE application. In that case it is somewhat understandable what they are doing. That will need to change in the future. They are developing a Mac OS X installer and an installer for Windows is also available now. Very impressive indeed.
39 • @ 38 More on Calligra (by Chanath on 2013-08-23 12:31:20 GMT from Sri Lanka)
And, you can't save in .doc and .docx formats, which means you can't share your documents with MS Office users. Also, I am quite happy that OpenOffice is coming back, which was our hero those days.
40 • @39, That's Sad. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-23 14:02:26 GMT from United States)
Well I didn't realize that you couldn't save in .doc and .docx formats. What is so sad is that an office suite's success seems to be dependent on Microsoft and being Microsoft compatible. No matter how you look at it, that is not a good thing. Is it any wonder why Microsoft has no fear of the open source world. It seems that they call the shots. So sad indeed. :(
41 • Packagekit deficiencies (by MikeF on 2013-08-23 20:36:15 GMT from United States)
Good to see others share my dislike for the packagekit daemon, one of the main reasons I don't use Fedora. Their devs Just Don't Get It - on demand package cache update works for me and most other distros, packagekit or not.
Last time I checked F* packagekit was codependent on things like gdm - yikes!
42 • Korora impression (by Terence on 2013-08-24 15:02:16 GMT from United States)
I have been using Korora for several months now and I have nothing but praise for the spin. Starting with the installation, I am provided with both btrfs as well as encryption. I still believe that the root and user password creation should be on the initial page where the keyboard and time zone is set.
It recognizes all my hardware as well as installing all codecs, without ever giving me a problem. It is obviously kept up to date and uses delta RPMs. Like most here, I like to try out a new distro when something catches my attention, but I seem to invariably come back to this one.
43 • @38,39 Calligra (by Thomas Mueller on 2013-08-25 00:52:05 GMT from United States)
I believe Calligra is the successor to KWord, which I found deficient some years back; I also didn't like kspread. I found Abiword and Gnumeric much better, and then there is OpenOffice, and more recently, LibreOffice.
44 • PackageKit and Apper (by Andy Prough on 2013-08-25 18:48:37 GMT from United States)
Funny to see so many complaints - especially regarding Apper. I love the way it works on Debian Jessie and Wheezy. Apper is a much more convenient interface for quickly and simply adding a software package than Synaptic. I even use Apper from my Gnome desktop. I see that packagekitd is a running process under both KDE and Gnome, but it hasn't caused me any problems.
Possibly the Debian team has simply integrated the packagekit/Apper experience much better than other distros.
However, I've got to agree with one point - I use apt-get from the command line most of the time. Apt-get is easy to learn (as is opensuse's zypper), and much more precise than using a GUI front-end. I especially enjoy the ability to "purge" when uninstalling, and to use "clean" and "install -f" to fix the package management system.
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