| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 520, 12 August 2013
Welcome to this year's 32nd issue of DistroWatch Weekly!
Exciting developments are brewing in the open source community. This past week WeWi unveiled a new laptop computer featuring solar panels to charge the machine's battery. The new device, which runs the Ubuntu distribution as the default operating system, is designed to work in areas where the electrical infrastructure is unreliable. Meanwhile, the Xubuntu project tackles the question as to whether the distribution should follow Canonical's example and use the new Mir graphics technology, adopt the competing Wayland protocol or stick with tried-and-true Xorg. In other news, OS/4 announces plans to make Solaris binaries run on Linux and the FreeBSD Foundation looks back on important events which have occurred in the FreeBSD community over the past six months. Also in this week's issue Jesse Smith shares his first impressions of Salix's KDE edition. Salix has its roots in Slackware, but how does it compare with its parent? Read on to find out! We will also talk about how to deal with a common problem: keeping track of the dozens of passwords we need for forums, bank accounts and e-mail. Plus we summarize the distribution releases of the past week and look at the schedule of upcoming releases. We wish you all a wonderful week and happy reading!
|Feature Story (by Jesse Smith)
Salix OS 14.0.1 "KDE" edition
The Salix distribution is designed to be a small, fast operating system based on the Slackware operating system. In fact, Salix strives to maintain binary compatibility with Slackware so that packages may be shared between the two projects. Salix attempts to provide users with a clean design which features one dedicated application per task. The Salix distribution also features a package manager which handles software dependencies, giving it (in my eyes at least) an advantage over Slackware. Looking at the release notes for Salix 14.0.1 we find the project is available in several editions, including KDE, MATE, Xfce and LXDE. Each of these editions is available in 32-bit and 64-bit builds. The 32-bit builds, we are warned, no longer support machines which do not feature PAE-enabled processors. We are also told the 32-bit build requires machines with i686-compatible processors, the older i486 architecture is no longer supported.
Salix OS 14.0.1 -- Running multimedia applications
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I opted to try the KDE edition of Salix which comes with the KDE 4.8 desktop. The KDE edition includes a new feature, the QupZilla web browser. The 32-bit build of this Salix edition was available as a 930MB download. At the time of writing only installation media is available and it appears as though live CDs for demo and testing purposes will be made available later. Booting from the installation media walks us through several text-based screens which gather our preferences for the system installer. We're first asked to confirm our keyboard's layout and then asked to partition the hard drive. To perform the partitioning we're given the cfdisk disk partitioning utility. Once the disk has been carved up we are asked to select one of the partitions to be used as swap space and another to be used for our root partition. We can also choose which file system to use on the root partition, with ext2/3/4, Btrfs, JFS, ReiserFS and XFS provided as options. The installer will let us gather the package files we need to perform the installation from a variety of locations, including network shares, FTP servers, a local hard disk or a DVD. From there we are asked if we would like to perform a full install (which copies all the packages from the DVD to the local hard disk), a basic installation (which gives us a minimal graphical desktop) or we can perform a "core" installation (which gives us just enough software for a command line experience). I decided to proceed with a full installation. We are then asked if we would like to install the LILO boot loader and, if so, where it should be installed. The installer continues by asking us which time zone we are in, which language we want to use as the system default and what, if any, kernel parameters are required to boot the operating system. The process wraps up by asking us to set a password on the root account and, optionally, creating a regular user account. There are a lot of steps and some of them will be intimidating to new users, indicating Salix is better suited to intermediate and advanced Linux users.
The first time through I attempted to install Salix with the Btrfs file system and I suspect this is what caused me problems. Once the installation completed I was unable to boot the system, or even get to a boot loader menu. I went back and ran through the installation process again, taking the default partitioning options which make use of XFS for the root file system instead of Btrfs. Otherwise my settings were the same and, upon rebooting the machine, Salix ran without any problems. Booting into Salix we are brought to a graphical login screen and, upon signing in, we are presented with the KDE desktop, version 4.8. The background is a bright blue and, on the desktop, we find icons for accessing the project's website and IRC chat room. An application menu and task switcher sit at the bottom of the display.
The Salix distribution comes with quite a collection of software and many of the applications which are included with the KDE edition are related to either KDE or the Qt framework it is based on. We're provided with the QupZilla web browser and Adobe's Flash plugin. The menu also contains the KTorrent bittorrent client and KMail for working with e-mail. We're given the Kopete instant messenger client, the Blogilo blogging software and the Calligra productivity suite. Many other applications are available, such as the KolourPaint drawing program, the Okular document viewer and the Marble virtual globe. There are a few remote desktop applications and the Qt4 Designer app is included for developers. The k3b disc burning software is provided for us along with the Bangarang video player and Clementine music player. Codecs for playing multimedia are not included out of the box, but there is a menu item called "Install multimedia codecs" which, as the name suggests, downloads codecs for playing most popular media formats. To help us get on-line the Wicd network configuration app is included and the KPPP dial-up software is available for mobile and dial-up networking. Salix provides us with KInfoCentre which helps us gather information on our system and its hardware. Configuration apps are available to help us manage users & groups and enable/disable system services. The distribution also comes with apps for managing file archives, working with encryption, taking notes and editing text files. The KDE desktop comes with the KDE System Settings panel which gives us fine-grained control over the look and performance of the graphical interface. Digging deeper we find Java and the GNU Compiler Collection are available to users. In the background we find the Linux kernel, version 3.2.
Salix OS 14.0.1 -- Changing desktop settings
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Salix uses a program called Gslapt for package management. This program has a fairly simple graphical interface. The top half of the application window shows us an alphabetical list of packages available in the distribution's repositories. At the bottom of the screen we are shown information on the currently highlighted item. We can click on packages to add or remove them. Gslapt can also handle package upgrades and we can choose to apply all available updates with the click of a button. I found that Salix wouldn't automatically tell me when software upgrades were available, it seems users are expected to check periodically. Gslapt allows us to search for packages based on their name or their description and I found the package manager worked quite quickly. While Gslapt isn't pretty, it is efficient and effective and I encountered no problems while using this graphical package manager.
Salix OS 14.0.1 -- Managing software packages with Gslapt
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I ran Salix on a desktop machine (dual-core 2.8GHz CPU, 6GB of RAM, Radeon video card, Realtek network card) and found the distribution performed fairly well. The system was fast to boot up and performed tasks quickly, once KDE's desktop indexing and visual effects were disabled. Sound worked out of the box and the system automatically connected to the local network. I did find my screen didn't automatically get set to my monitor's maximum resolution, but this was easily fixed through the user-friendly KDE System Settings panel. With the default settings I found the KDE edition of Salix used approximately 300MB of RAM and, when desktop indexing was disabled, the system used approximately 260MB. This is a touch heavier than I would typically expect from a distribution running KDE, but not drastically so.
I'm not quite sure how I would rate my time with Salix. On the one hand, apart from the problem of getting the distribution to boot with Btrfs, my experiences with Salix were pleasantly bug-free. The distribution runs quickly, it has short boot times, the package manager worked well and the operating system comes with lots of useful applications. I like that the system installer is flexible and that the distribution tries to stay out of the way. There are no annoying pop-ups or distractions. On the other hand, there were aspects of the distribution which left me feeling like something was missing. Or maybe it might be more accurate to say running Salix felt like a step into the past in some ways. The distribution keeps things simple from a design perspective and this means the user is sometimes faced with more primitive-seeming tools and manual work. The system installer, for example, is powerful yet text-based and some of its menus, such as the language selection screen, appear to be designed with more experienced users in mind. The package manager is capable, but takes a very basic approach to working with software. Sometimes the system as a whole felt more like a collection of applications rather than a refined design. When using projects like openSUSE, Ubuntu or Mint I get the impression there is a unified design at work, there is a sense of components fitting together, working together. With Salix things felt more vanilla, as though packages had been assembled and provided without a sense that they were part of a greater whole.
Perhaps that isn't entirely fair. Salix certainly worked well for me and it comes with a lot of useful software (with more powerful applications in the repositories). It feels like a stable and efficient operating system. Everything I needed was provided and Salix certainly feels complete. Yet, somehow, I felt slightly awkward running the distribution, as though the currents of my work didn't flow as smoothly with Salix as it might with another distribution. Maybe it was just because I was using Calligra instead of LibreOffice or Clementine instead of Rhythmbox, little style choices I would get used to over time. All in all, I think what my experience comes down to is Salix is a capable and powerful distribution. It is a bit conservative and I think it will appeal almost exclusively to people who like Slackware, but who secretly crave software dependency resolution.
|Miscellaneous News (by Jesse Smith)
Xubuntu experiments with XMir, Ubuntu featured on solar-powered laptops, changes to OS/4
Last week we mentioned the Kubuntu distribution will not be adopting Canonical's new Mir graphics technology, with the developers deciding instead to stick with X for now with an eventual move to Wayland at a later date. The Xubuntu project, on the other hand, is seriously considering a move to Mir, but the developers wish to test the technology first. In a post to the Xubuntu developer mailing list Bruno Benitez wrote, "We need to understand how our system will behave under XMir in order to make the decision later this month whether to move our standard ISO from X.Org to XMir." People interested in trying XMir on Xubuntu can find test images and instructions for working with the XMir technology on this page.
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Some of the most interesting news to surface this past week was word that a Canadian firm, WeWi, was working on a solar-powered laptop which could be deployed in Ghana, followed by other locations. The laptop, which features long battery life, a small price tag and solar panels, is expected to ship with Ubuntu as the default operating system. The laptop, called the SOL, is expected to ship with conservative specs which will allow the operator to run on battery power for a surprising eight to ten hours. WeWi's founder, David Snir, claims the machine's solar panels will recharge the laptop's depleted battery in two hours and make the device ideal for regions where the electrical power grid is unreliable. While not a high-specification machine, Snir says, "It's not an amazing computer, but for people who are just getting into computing, using web tools or word processors, it's absolutely perfect. For the price, we've managed to really package a nice computer - especially with the four solar panels, which are expensive."
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On Wednesday the OS/4 project announced some exciting new changes to its Enterprise platform. Perhaps the most interesting development is the project's commitment to getting Solaris modules to work on Linux. "A tool is used in ZFS for Linux that allows you to use Solaris modules in Linux. We have expanded that so you will be able to run Solaris binaries under OS/4 Enterprise Linux. These binaries will require little to no modification of code in order to run. As we get closer to launch in December we hope to have a list of compatible applications so it's not so hit and miss." The announcement goes on to say KDE will be replacing Xfce, by popular request, as the default desktop in the Enterprise edition of OS/4.
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The FreeBSD Foundation released its semi-annual newsletter this past week. In it the Foundation discussed upcoming BSD-related events, current projects being worked on (including UEFI support) and improvements to FreeBSD's documentation infrastructure. The newsletter also talks a good deal about fund raising and changes which have been made in their approach. It is encouraging to see that, due to the Foundation's new attitude toward fund raising, they have collected over $365,000 so far this year, about six times more than was raised by this time last year. The newsletter acknowledges that more companies appear to be developing solutions based on FreeBSD and this is creating positive developments for the project.
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OpenMandriva is a community distribution grown from the Mandriva project. A recent discussion between community member Nicolas Pomarèd and developer Bernhard Rozenkränzer gives us some insight into the OpenMandriva development and testing process. The exchange covers the distribution's release schedule, issues which are blocking the next release and the number of beta and release candidate builds the project plans to create. It is an interesting and open look at an open source project in progress and the issues developers face when pushing out software to a large number of users. Bernhard Rozenkränzer comments, "Cooker is usable and in pretty good shape. It is still difficult to have any precise schedules -- and this is unlikely to change anytime soon, there's simply no way to guarantee some delivery date if the number of contributors is small enough for 1 "missing person" to matter, and there's 0 guaranteed availability. We're a community project now -- with all the advantages it brings, but also the few disadvantages it brings (no full-time developers with guaranteed availability)."
|Question and Answers (by Jesse Smith)
Managing many passwords easily
Lately I have been getting more worried about protecting my on-line identities and I'm wondering about how to choose a good password that'll be easy to remember. Any tips on creating complex passwords that are easy to keep straight?
The easiest solution is probably to install a password manager on your system. A good password manager will help you keep track of your user names, the websites or accounts associated with those user names and even generate complex passwords for you. Some password managers also make it fairly easy to synchronize your login credentials across multiple computers. The beauty of a password manager is we only need to remember one password (the one for the manager itself) and the application remembers all of our many other passwords.
One such application is called KeePass and it is the Swiss army knife of password managers. It allows for flexible account management, lets us sort accounts into categories based on their type/location and supports strong encryption. KeePass also makes it easy to generate complex passwords of varying length. In additional, it is possible to export our database of passwords to another machine for synchronization or backup purposes. KeePass will do some other nice things for us, such as copy our account name or password to the system's clipboard so that we can simply paste our credentials into another application. The KeePass manager makes it as easy as possible to store many passwords and retrieve them just by remembering one pass-phrase.
KeePass 2.18 -- Browsing account credentials
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Besides KeePass there are other password managers out there, some of them with interfaces that are more novice friendly. The Revelation password manager, for example, may be less intimidating to new users when compared next to KeePass. Regardless of which password manager you use, make sure to do two things. The first is to maintain backups of your password database. This is generally as simple as telling the password manager to export the database and then copying the exported file to another hard drive. The other important thing is to make sure you do not forget the password which unlocks the password manager. You might end up writing down the password or picking something easy to remember, but whatever method you use it's important to know the master password, otherwise you won't be able to access your many saved passwords stored by the application.
|Released Last Week
IPFire 2.13 Core 71
IPFire 2.13 Core 71, the latest stable release of a hardened firewall distribution offering corporate-level network protection, has been released: "This update comes with some new features and minor bug fixes. It is now possible to assign a wireless adapter as the RED interface. A GUI has been written where you can configure wireless access points, to which the IPFire system will connect when in reach. You will be able to configure backup access points, to which IPFire will switch when the first one is down or out of reach. You can prioritize them, so that you can connect to the best one when ever that is possible. All common encryption technologies are supported. A new GUI has been written on which you are able to define different name servers than the public name servers for your DNS zones. The Intrusion Detection System (IDS) snort has been updated to version 2.9.5." Read the complete release announcement.
Linux Deepin 12.12.1
Linux Deepin is the leading community distribution from China featuring the Deepin Desktop Environment based on GNOME Shell. Linux Deepin 12.12.1 was announced today as an enhancement (and also a bug-fix) of the previous 12.12 release. New functions include the deepin-notifications plugin for the desktop, where users can check the notifications sent by utilities or the OS. As an important component of the desktop, Deepin System Settings now supports wallpaper selection via the personalization module and automatic login via the accounts configuration module. The Software Center has been upgraded for more convenient software installation/uninstallation. The dmusic-plugin-baidumusic plugin has been developed for better online music experience. Last but not least, the Deepin team has been maintaining a weekly archive on recommended applications. Read the full release announcement (in Chinese) for further information including screenshots.
SparkyLinux 3.0 "GameOver"
SparkyLinux 3.0 "GameOver" edition, a lightweight, fast, and simple Linux distribution designed for both old and new computers, has been released: "'GameOver' 3.0 is built on SparkyLinux 3.0 'Annagerman' and compatible with the 'testing' branch of Debian GNU/Linux 'Jessie'. Sparky 3.0 'GameOver' features Linux kernel 3.9.8-1; all packages updated from Debian testing repositories as of 2013/08/02; sparky-installer bug has been fixed; added new tools: blueman, ddm, disk-manager, dropbox client, gponting-device-settings, hardinfo, htop, joystick, jstest-gtk, lxtask, matchbox-keyboard, rcconf, uget; added new games: blobby, blockout2, brainparty, chromium-bsu, flare, funnyboat, lbreakout2, ltris, minetest, pingus, smc (Secret Maryo Chronicles), teeworlds, tetzle, widelands...." Read the rest of the release announcement for further information like how to log into the live system.
Sam Geeraerts has announced the third major release of gNewSense, a Debian-based Linux distribution built strictly from fully free software: "The stable release of gNewSense 3.0 is a fact. With the help of GNU Linux-libre and various other people helping to check and hack on freedom issues, we've been able to produce a new major version that aligns with the Free Software Foundation's freedom guidelines as well as Debian's quality standards. You'll find that the look has changed from previous releases, marking the change from Ubuntu to Debian as a base. We also support 3 architectures now: i386, amd64 and mipsel (Lemote Yeeloong)." Check the one sentence's announcement on the gNewSense homepage and the message from the project's mailing list.
gNewSense 3.0 -- The default GNOME desktop
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The standard desktop edition of Porteus 2.1, a Slackware-based mini-distribution with a choice of multiple desktops, has been released, along with the "Kiosk" edition: "Major additions since our 2.0 release include restructuring our layout to have standalone ISOs for five desktop environments (KDE 4, Razor-qt, MATE, Xfce and LXDE) and adding optional prepackaged modules for Google Chrome, Opera, LibreOffice, AbiWord, print/scan support and development software, all available through a new download interface that allows users to build and download customized ISO's. Additional modules (browsers, development, office, printing) and AMD/NVIDIA video drivers can also be found inside the 'modules' and 'drivers' folders." Read the full release announcement for both changelogs.
Tails 0.20, a Debian-based live system focusing on Internet privacy and anonymity, has been released: "Tails, The Amnesic Incognito Live System, version 0.20, is out. All users must upgrade as soon as possible: this release fixes numerous security issues. New features: Install Linux kernel 3.10.3-1 from Debian unstable; Iceweasel 17.0.8esr + Torbrowser patches. Bugfixes: Prevent Iceweasel from displaying a warning when leaving HTTPS web sites; Make Iceweasel use the correct, localized search engine; Fix Git access to HTTPS repositories. Minor improvements: Install Dasher, a predictive text entry tool; Add a wrapper around TrueCrypt which displays a warning about it soon being deprecated in Tails... The next Tails release is scheduled for around September 19." Read the full release announcement.
elementary OS 0.2
Cassidy James has announced the release of elementary OS 0.2 (code name "Luna"), a single-CD Ubuntu-based distribution featuring a traditional desktop layout, a simplified file manager and the Midori web browser: "Typically a release article is focused on a few key points of a new product. We'd highlight the new features, problems solved, and encourage you download the latest version right away. But if you're reading this right now, chances are that you've been following along. You've read our beta 1 and beta 2 articles along with the miscellaneous application update articles as well as our updates on typography and icons. So instead of that song and dance, we're going to tell you our story." Read this long story (with screenshots and videos) announcing "Luna" to find out more.
Netrunner 13.06 "Stealth"
Clemens Toennies has announced the first prototype of Netrunner SE 13.06, where SE stands for the stealth edition of the Kubuntu-based desktop distribution. In this edition, certain software components have been replaced with their more secure counterparts. From the release announcement: "This version of Netrunner is shipped with privacy and security in mind. This means that you are able to use the Internet more securely and possibly circumvent censorship. You are able to encrypt E-Mail messages with GPG and chat securely with your friends via text, audio or video. You can encrypt files and folders or use an encrypted home partition. Netrunner SE 13.06 is built upon Netrunner 13.06 and comes with the following features and changes: Firefox with pre-configured Tor, FoxyProxy, HTTPs Everywhere and NoScript (surf anonymously, surf onion links, circumvent censorship); Thunderbird with Enigmail; Vidalia as Tor configuration tool; Pidgin with OTR support for encrypted text chats...." Here is also an introduction to the stealth edition.
Jon Tibble has announced the release of OpenIndiana oi_151a8, a new pre-stable build of the operating system originally forked from OpenSolaris (after Oracle's decision to discontinue the project). From the release notes: "OpenIndiana oi_151a_prestable8 aka oi_151a8 is a bug and security fix release with some big version bumps and also the first rebuild of the JDS in the pre-stable series. This is an ISO release. This release has changes to ZFS and kernel/libc interactions that mean child zones will not work with global zones upgraded to a8 until they are brought in sync to a8 themselves. Other changes: bump Illumos to hg:14087:9919574e3322 git:7256a34efe; backout sgml util removal for now; include beta vmxnet3s driver; bump Apache to 2.2.25; bump Autoconf to 2.69; bump BIND to 9.6-ESV-R9-P1; bump OpenLDAP to 2.4.35; bump OpenSSL to 0.9.8y; bump PHP to 5.2.17; bump Samba to 3.5.21; bump Wireshark to 1.8.8...."
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Development, unannounced and minor bug-fix releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Summary of expected upcoming releases
New distributions added to waiting list|
- TaraEllaCS. TaraEllaCS is a Linux distribution which attempts to create a friendly portal to a virtual world.
- Betryal. The main goal of Betryal Linux is to make an open source operating system which can be easily used by people living in the country of Hungary.
- SnowBird Linux. SnowBird Linux is a remix based on Fedora which has been developed to act as a replacement for Windows based desktops.
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DistroWatch database summary
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This concludes this week's issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The next instalment will be published on Monday, 19 August 2013. To contact the authors please send email to:
- Jesse Smith (feedback, questions and suggestions: distribution reviews, questions and answers, tips and tricks)
- Ladislav Bodnar (feedback, questions, suggestions and corrections: news, donations, distribution submissions, comments)
- Bruce Patterson (feedback and suggestions: podcast edition)
1 • Salix default kernel (by Niki Kovacs on 2013-08-12 09:20:20 GMT from France) |
I guess you had trouble booting Btrfs because Salix, like Slackware, defaults to the "huge" kernel, with some sensible defaults compiled in. On Slackware, one of the first things the user is supposed to do is replace this kernel by the "generic" kernel, which needs an initrd. This is also needed for some situations like RAID, LVM, etc. More often than not, you have to leave the installer before the initial reboot (EXIT), chroot into the newly installed environment and then build an initrd adapted to your setup. I think the Salix team doesn't stress this step enough, hence your frustration.
I've written my personal documentation on the subject:
2 • Salix (by kc1di on 2013-08-12 09:44:15 GMT from United States)
As Per # 1's comments I have found his method worked here , but I must say that this is definately not a newbie friendly method. Think the installer should do this work for us during the install process.
Just my opinion though and Salix / Slackware are dependable Distros if you already know what to do next.
3 • Password Manager (by Sondar on 2013-08-12 09:56:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
Not too sure about that, Jesse. All of them collected in one place, one PC and only one master password to protect them? Wonder how long neo-Colossi geeks would take to unravel it? 1024bit encryption? The more difficult it is for me to remember, or find, my plethora of passwords, the more convoluted is the task for crackers? Sometimes a strategy involving lots of simple but unconnected steps in disseminated formats makes the task less worth the effort for miscreants?
4 • Elementary (by nybronx on 2013-08-12 10:01:03 GMT from United States)
Beautiful work gang very clean and smooth. Installing now..thx
5 • My Password Solution (by Eric on 2013-08-12 10:04:13 GMT from Canada)
http://passwordmaker.org/ is what I use, its got many extensions for browser use too.
No need for a database or local app to run or a database to manage, just a main password.
You can go wild and configure to your hearts content using various hashing algorithms like MD4, MD5, SHA1/SHA265/RIPEMD hashing algorithm, complexity and length AND the HMAC versions of all the algorithms beyond their single pass variant.
I have no fear at all saying I use a 14 character RIPEMD-160 hashed password. No one will ever guess or ever recreate my login's without my master pass I use to generate my site-specific passwords.
For the simple, there's a few reasonable ones like "Password Chameleon" or "SuperGenPass" in case "PasswordMaker" sounds too generic and for you or don't want as many options to customize things. So try them out if your interested and compare for yourself and find out how you like them.
6 • @5 password (by greg on 2013-08-12 11:26:39 GMT from Slovenia)
except for NSA that got all your password info during surveilance of servers :-)
7 • Elementary Luna (by Chanath on 2013-08-12 11:34:07 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Very nice distro. If I could autohide the wingpanel, it would be much nicer. Midori, of course had to be dropped as it doesn't have the features I need. Not sure about the Files, as I cannot find any menu in it, not like Nautilus. I found that this distro is very good with the battery life and it is quite fast, much faster than Ubuntu 12.04, which its based on.
8 • Password manager (by Omari on 2013-08-12 11:43:23 GMT from United States)
I use a colon delimited text file and an awk script to look things up. To encrypt that (I don't bother as my whole disk is encrypted) you could use GnuPG or OpenSSL. Simple.
9 • Review: Salix OS 14.0.1 "KDE" edition (by joji on 2013-08-12 11:58:02 GMT from Belgium)
"live CDs for demo and testing purposes will be made available later"
Kindly note that Salix OS • 14.0.1-beta2 (Live Xfce) and Salix OS • 14.0.1-beta1 (Live KDE) are availble since 08/10.
Have been testing the Live Xfce version for a few days and up to now no major complaints. Guess the same applies for the Live KDE.
10 • @6, so sad for them. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-12 12:02:50 GMT from United States)
Can't waste my time worrying about the NSA nor should I. The only ones I worry about are the ones at the other end of the spectrum. Governments have done this since they've had their own citizens, or other governments citizens to worry about. They don't bother me. The ones who can steal my money do bother me. That's what I guard against.
11 • 7 • Elementary Luna (by Chanath) (by Hollandhook on 2013-08-12 12:07:13 GMT from Mexico)
I'd like a bit more control over the wingpanel, too. But it's my one and only gripe about this clean, beautiful system. I tried it out in Alpha and Beta, thinking when stuff started going wrong, I'd drop it, but nothing ever went wrong in about two years. It's only been a day with the final Luna, but it seems like another long steady. Great work, e-Team.
12 • Re: Salix (by silent on 2013-08-12 12:55:45 GMT from Hungary)
Salix has recreated the existing swap partition during install instead of just formatting it. This is a problem in a multiboot environment where some installed OS's indentify the swap partition by UUID in fstab. In particular, Fedora has rejected to start even after modifying fstab, and the solution was starting it in rescue mode and recreating initramfs. Slackware users like to customize their system and build packages from source, so they presumably prefer vanilla. If Salix is targeting the beginners or lazy slackers then the installer should be improved and more binary packages should be provided; a warning that adding repositories could break the system is probably not enough to attract the potential users.
13 • elementary tweaks (by ange on 2013-08-12 14:29:56 GMT from Hungary)
Try out elementary-tweaks for changing hidden settings in elementary.
But keep in mind that it's unsupported, some functions doesn't work as expected. For example gathering minimized windows with hot corner.
14 • 2...Salix. (by willi-amp on 2013-08-12 14:52:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
'Just my opinion though and Salix / Slackware are dependable Distros if you already know what to do next.'
Surely this should read.....Just my opinion though and Salix / Slackware are dependable Distros only if you already know what to do next.
15 • @ 11 Elementary Luna - Hollandhook (by Chanath on 2013-08-12 14:56:23 GMT from Sri Lanka)
I have been waiting for them to come out with a stable release. The waiting time was so long, it was quite enough to find other ways to keep Gala and Pantheon and get rid of the Wingpanel and Plank.
The Wingpanel is actually useless, as you can't make it autohide. Any other panel would do the job, for example Lxpanel. Plank cannot be modified in anyway, so is not needed. They should've made the Plank more like the Deepin panel, with all the indicators and logout ans poweroff.
Anyway, I installed Awn dock and got rid of the Wingpanel and the Plank. Now, I have a clean desktop with the Awn autohiding and also with the indicator3 applet, which holds all the necessary items. I also took the new Slingshot out and installed the old Slingshot launcher. Now, I have a semi-transparent full screen menu shell, which is much prettier than the grayish new Silngshot menu shell.
There is of course another problem with Elementary Luna; one can't right-click the desktop and add anything there. Anyway, I never keep any icons on the screen, so this is not a problem for me.
What I like is the quick response to a mouse click, when opening an app. I am getting rid of the Pantheon File Manager and installing Nautilus. I might change the close, maximize buttons to minimize, maximize, close buttons, after a while playing with these corner buttons.
16 • SalixOS (by Caitlyn Martin on 2013-08-12 17:16:02 GMT from United States)
SalixOS is Slackware plus extra packages and tools which increase the software selection and make the OS more user friendly. I think, on the whole, the developers do a good job of delivering what they promise, an OS for "lazy Slackers". If you like Slackware but want things like automated dependency resolution and a larger repository then SalixOS is for you. The comment about the dated look and feel and the vanilla packages fits Slackware and increasingly fits almost all the Slackware derivatives as well. That's just the Slackware way of doing things. Some people are fanatic about it. Some don't care for it as all. It's a matter of personal preference.
What I find more annoying is the lack of support for things that are standard in other distributions nowadays. brtfs is one example and, as others have mentioned, it's because the installer doesn't create an initrd for you as other distros do in the install process. It also doesn't provide support for my Samsung Galaxy SII, an older Android phone, which is supported as a mass storage device out of the virtual box on any major distro other than Slackware.
I've long taken heat from Slackware fans because I've felt for some time that Slackware and it's derivatives are stuck in the past by the choice of the developers. For me that has gotten to the point that I can no longer use those distros. It's just too much work to get them up to speed and I end up with no added benefit from running them.
17 • salix review (by linuxuser on 2013-08-12 17:29:32 GMT from Greece)
Thanks Jesse for the nice review.
I think that the Salix team has done a very good job. They give us a stable distribution based on Slackware. They give us graphical configuration tools that are not provided by Slackware and they make use of package management tools that provide automatic dependency resolution.
You point out that "The package manager is capable, but takes a very basic approach to working with software".
I am not sure what do you mean by that. May be missing features like listing packages by categories (office , educational , multimedia , etc ) ?
I think that package management is one of the strong points of the distribution.
18 • WeWi (by Nick on 2013-08-12 17:57:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
It's a bit odd that the 'SOL', which is designed for people with no electricity, will use Ubuntu, given that Ubuntu recommends being connected to the internet for practically everything, including when it is installed.
Who has internet but no electricity?
How are the people of Ghana supposed to get their Amazon adverts?
Also, the XMir link you provided is broken.
19 • Elementary Luna - md5sum (by Bbig on 2013-08-12 18:54:29 GMT from Germany)
My "dd" of the *.iso fails to boot. Kernel parameters are not working.
Re-downloaded it - tryed again - failed again.
No problems with any *buntu till now, well actually all linux distros worked in the last 2 years or so... elementry os - no chance.
Oke, i can live with that; but srsly where are any hashes for that *.iso? md5sums anyone? How can someone release anything without any whatsoever hashes? What a waste of time.
20 • @18, Check it out. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-12 19:02:43 GMT from United States)
Well Nick, if you want the answers to those questions maybe you should ask the WeWi people. All of those functions that you mention can easily be disabled. Instructions for doing so can also easily be found most anywhere. I'm surprised you haven't heard. ;)
21 • @20 (by Nick on 2013-08-12 19:14:23 GMT from United Kingdom)
I know about disabling Amazon's adverts, but how are you supposed to disable the 'no electricity' function of Ghana?
Not even Bob Geldof has managed that one.
22 • @19 - checksums for elementary OS ISOs (by eco2geek on 2013-08-12 19:48:39 GMT from United States)
23 • @22 (by Big on 2013-08-12 20:04:19 GMT from Germany)
I used the serach on the HP ~ but well found nothing.
I was not willing to reg an user account for that question, i find it "not very smart" that they do not post any hashes for thier releases.
Oh well, it is not working for me anyway.
24 • @12: Reformatting the swap partition changes its UUID (by eco2geek on 2013-08-12 21:18:15 GMT from United States)
> Salix has recreated the existing swap partition during
> install instead of just formatting it. This is a problem in a
> multiboot environment where some installed OS's
> indentify the swap partition by UUID in fstab.
If you (or a distro's installer) reformat the swap partition, it changes its UUID.
I ran into the same problem with Fedora not booting after installing Debian. (Debian's installer reformats an existing swap partition by default.)
The problem is with Fedora -- or, to be more precise, with its implementation of systemd -- not with Salix or Debian. IMO, there's no reason one should have to create a new initrd simply because a partition's UUID was changed.
25 • Keepass (by Fritz on 2013-08-12 23:10:17 GMT from United States)
Personally, I use Keepass in conjunction with SpiderOak. Each of my machines is set up to sync a documents folder and that's where I keep the keepass database. That way, each of my computers always has my current passwords and I can even pull it up on my phone if I need to using keepassdroid.
26 • @12: Reformatting the swap partition changes its UUID (by kalwisti on 2013-08-13 00:23:49 GMT from United States)
I multiboot and have run into this several times. Jamie Watson suggests a workaround for this issue in his review of Debian 7.0 Wheezy (28 May 2013):
"There is a fairly simple way to avoid this - during the Debian installation, when setting up disk partitions go to the swap partition and change it to "do not use". Then after installation is complete, add the appropriate swap line to /etc/fstab."
A link to the full review is below; look for the last bullet point before the article's conclusion:
In my experience, I've found that with Fedora, the slow boot problem can be fixed by editing the "swap" entry in /etc/fstab, updating it with the new (changed) UUID.
27 • EOS (by historyb on 2013-08-13 01:48:13 GMT from United States)
@ 15 - You can get Elementary tweaks to fix the wing panel hiding behavior here http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/06/finally-elementary-tweaks.html
EOS is great so far for me, now during the beta 1 and 2 periods my wireless would just slow down to stop working but so far I have not had that problem on the final Luna release yet
28 • @ 27 EOS (by Chanath on 2013-08-13 02:36:30 GMT from Sri Lanka)
No, it doesn't make the Wingpanel autohide. It can change the Plank. I am quite happy with my changed Elementary Luna and with the Awn dock, indicator3 applet and DockbarX. I tried to install the Gnome-panel, but it would pull a whole lot of stuff, but I can copy and paste the necessary files in /usr. I like the Awn dock, even though no one is developing it, but what it has its beauty. The old Slingshot with the Awn dock gives the Elementary Luna better responsiveness and beauty.
It was good that there was no office suite installed, so we can choose what we want. Luna works nicely and no hitches yet. The next try would be installing the Deeping DE, just the shell in Luna, and I am going to use the best combination.
29 • OpenIndiana (by Ismail Arslangiray on 2013-08-13 04:13:15 GMT from United States)
It will not move forward without old style mouse. USB mouse will not work. But it looks great until the main page
30 • SOL Solar Panel Laptops (by Dr.Saleem Khan on 2013-08-13 04:15:57 GMT from Pakistan)
This sounds a great project , though the solar plates give this machine a bit hardware overloaded looks but certainly it is a great idea not for countries in Africa who are always short of power but also for a nuclear power country like Pakistan as well where we face power shut downs for 15-18 hours in 24 hours on regular basis . If Pakistani Govt. purchases these machines for distribution amongst students
( http://www.notesmela.com/kpk-khyber-pakhtunkhwa-student-free-laptop-scheme-2012/ ) rather than purchasing expensive ones available in market it will not only save lot of money for an economically defaulted state but will actually help the students use a laptop wich works in 15-18 hours power shut down period.
31 • elementary OS Luna is fast, pretty (by eco2geek on 2013-08-13 05:11:14 GMT from United States)
Being an old-school type who likes hierarchical menus, UI elements that show buttons for running applications, and full-featured file managers, I wasn't sure how I'd like elementary OS. But after a day and a half of playing with it, I do like it. It feels very responsive. Even memory-hungry apps like Firefox and OpenOffice.org load quickly. And it looks good, too.
There seems to be a lot of discussion here about such things as making WingPanel (the panel that runs across the top of the screen) autohide. I personally don't care about that. The one big issue I had was that Midori (the distro's web browser) would not play Flash video on either the 32-bit or 64-bit version (sound worked fine, but not video). This seems to be a known issue:
(Ironically, this meant that I couldn't watch the marketing video that's posted on elementary OS's main page.) I finally got it working.
Midori also has rendering glitches with some web pages, when you scroll up or down. Of course, it's a cinch to install another web browser and pin it to Plank (the dock).
Any other gripes I may have had about things not being user-configurable (such as the font or the transparency of the Pantheon Terminal, which has no menus) were taken care of by installing "elementary Tweaks" (a utility similar to gnome-tweak-tool). You no longer have to go digging around in dconf-editor.
The ISO even fits on a CD.
32 • Elementary Luna - md5sum (by Robin on 2013-08-13 10:02:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
Click in the i by the file name = view details
SHA1 and MD5SUM are just waiting for you to call!
33 • RE:Where's the internet (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-13 11:46:16 GMT from United States)
I know what you mean Nick. I wonder where their internet comes from. They must have a hell of a hotspot. :)
34 • SalixOS, elementary OS, OpenIndiana, openSUSE (by Pierre on 2013-08-13 12:47:02 GMT from Germany)
I used SalixOS before I fell in love with openSUSE 12.1 and their successors.
It's a userfriendly Slackware, very stable, a beautiful vanilla linux but as Debian too conservative to fully meet my preferences and taste.
I am nevertheless happy to see so many interesting distributions hit new releases and development snapshots.
First of all I am quite positively surprised to see OpenIndiana nearing a new release. It was realy quite about that project and although I am not using OpenIndiana at all I always have been a little interested in that project. It would have been sad to see another open source OS die.
Secondly I am happy about openSUSE 13.1 Milestone 4 being released in time with the rewritten YaST finally included for testing before 13.1 hits Beta phase.
Another openSUSE release which I am really excited about. The discussion about changing the release and development model is still ongoing. I can't wait for a decision because the plans I read of do really appeal to me.
Thirdly there is elementary OS been released recently. I looks good, is fast and stable. So a very good option. Sadly I am absolutely no Ubuntu fan and would have liked if the developers had based their good work on an other distribution that fits their needs. Debian would have been fine as well, I think. But at least this disto is finally a worthy Ubuntu based distro.
35 • Elementary OS (by Derek on 2013-08-13 12:56:43 GMT from United States)
After reading some of the comments about Elementary OS I was about ready to give it a try. I have not been an Ubuntu fan for many years and usually stay away from anything based on Ubuntu but the comments looked really good so I went to the web site and looked deeper.
Because of the article "We Moved The Cheese" dated May 17th, 2013 (in the journal page) in the last paragraph they say, "You’re here because we’ve been making choices for you. Lots of them. We always have and always will."
Personally, one of the reasons I moved to Linux (about 15 years ago) was because I had the freedom of choice. I didn't want 1 man or a small group making decisions on how my computer looked and worked.
Even know Elementary OS may be a very good OS I will not give it a try because I want to make my own choices not have them made for me.
36 • ElementaryOS (by Hollandhook on 2013-08-13 13:29:15 GMT from Mexico)
Elementary is presenting a system designed for anyone to sit down and use. That's been their main goal, along with the beauty, the quickness and stability. They've succeeded on those counts. I don't agree that more advanced users are stuck with what they give them. (There are a very few exceptions, such as Wingpanel, though that can be replaced, as mentioned.) I add whatever applications I normally use and do my preferred theming, set up Plank with what I want it to carry. Replace the default browser with Firefox. Same routine things I do after installing any distro. So it's not accurate to say users are left without choices. If you like what they give you, however, you've got it and can easily work with it.
37 • Elementary OS Luna (by Chanath on 2013-08-13 14:44:15 GMT from Sri Lanka)
The devs had done something to take out the bloat from Ubuntu, so the distro is snappy. Since the beta release, I knew that I need only Gala, Pantheon and the Slingshot launcher, and not the new apps without menus. I can do without Gala too, but its nice. I moved the beta release to Raring, using the Gnome panel, and putting away the Wingpanel and Plank, as both are not configurable, with or without elementary tweaks.
Now, that the final release is out, I have put away the Wingpanel, Plank and also few apps without menus. I have no time to imagine what to use to get something done, so Nautilus is back with some other usual apps. This Luna looks very pretty with the Awn dock, indicator3 applet and Dockbarx applet.
The hot corners and the bottom dynamic workspaces are there, so my respin had become quite an interesting one. Well, I always redo any distro, never use the vanilla one, as most of us users. Now, I'd move the base to Raring and possibly to Saucy, after remastering this. Going to have lot of fun!
38 • @32 (by Bbig on 2013-08-13 14:59:45 GMT from Germany)
Thx Robin, but eco2geek already got me covered.
Still a bad habit, not posting checksums on the download page.
== == ==
I just gave it another try, a 3rd try after md5sum the *.iso - won't boot // just a black screen, no prompt, no kernel panic, nothing.
If i can spare a little more time, i try a VM.
39 • @38 MD5s. (by Rev_Don on 2013-08-13 15:56:48 GMT from United States)
I totally agree. I can't understand why some distros go to such lengths to make it so difficult to find the MD5/SHA hashes to verify the integrity of the downloads. It's appalling and one of the main reasons that I skip many distros. If they don't place the information front and center with the download link I move on to another distro that does. We shouldn't have to look for the hashes. It makes me wonder what they are trying to hide.
It could be worse though. They could provide the hashes, then tell you in their forums not to bother with them when the downloads don't match like Zorin does. Now that is really pathetic.
40 • elementary (by ange on 2013-08-13 16:36:28 GMT from Hungary)
@35 The "moving the cheese" article was an impolite reaction for a trolling (by an user who has mouse avatar) when the team changed things in idiot way (all pantheon-files settings removed, gala theme key in dconf moved to mutter subtree, shortly after pear-os adopted portions from pantheon).
41 • RE:Nobody is making choices for you. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-13 17:26:38 GMT from United States)
Nobody is making choices for you in any Linux distro you use. Do you know why? Because you have the final say so in what goes on your computer and that's the way it should be. It really get me when people say, how dare they change the desktop manager, or the file manager, or the startup system, etc.,etc, like it was a personal assault on them the user. In the open source Linux ecosystem you are allowed to change whatever you want in most any distro you want. The developers have that same right. You can always move on to another distro. One that may suit your taste better. Just don't put down the developers for making a decision on their distro that you don't like. Afterall, It is their distribution.
42 • KDE and RAM (by Niki Kovacs on 2013-08-13 19:09:25 GMT from France)
I have KDE 4.10.5 on Slackware 14.0, and the empty desktop eats 175 MB RAM with the semantic desktop and indexing disabled.
43 • Re: #24 Swap formatting (by silent on 2013-08-13 20:17:45 GMT from Hungary)
According to the man page, the UUID to be used for the swap partition can be specified by 'mkswap -U uuid' so it is easy to keep the existing swap UUID if a distribution is meant to be multiboot (user) friendly.
44 • gOldSense? (by PePa on 2013-08-14 02:44:33 GMT from Canada)
I was curious what version of Gnome the latest gNewSense 3.0 is using. Turns out, it's gnome 2.30, and the whole release is based on Debian old-stable (Squeeze) with a 2.6.32 kernel! (Nothing much against that though, it's just really quite unusual to release something so old..!)
45 • #44: 2.6.32 kernel, GNOME 2.x plus Fuduntu Enterprise Linux (by Caitlyn Martin on 2013-08-14 05:07:39 GMT from United States)
Any distro based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.x is also using a heavily patched 2.6.32 kernel and a 2.x based version of GNOME. What gNewSense is doing is hardly unique in that respect. Of course, you can jazz up CentOS, Scientific Linux or Springdale Linux for the desktop by using the Fuduntu Enterprise Linux package set Andrew Wyatt has developed. See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuduntu-el/
46 • RE: Nobody is making choices for you (by Derek on 2013-08-14 05:12:40 GMT from United States)
I pretty much agree with everything you said and as you can tell i have exercised my right to choose a different distro. My problem was not with the OS. I have never used it so I will not judge it. (judging by the comments here it is an execelent OS) I do not feel any changes they or any other distro makes is a personal assault. If i don't like the changes they make i move on. My problem and the reason i wont try E OS is the attitude. "You’re here because we’ve been making choices for you. Lots of them. We always have and always will." If i wanted decisions made for me i would have stuck with Windows or stuck with Mac.
47 • @29-USB mouse on OpenIndiana (by Ralph on 2013-08-14 06:54:27 GMT from Canada)
USB mouse on OpenIndiana works fine on my machine, but with one caveat. Often, at the log-in screen the mouse cursor freezes, but if I unplug the mouse and put it *another* USB port, then all of a sudden it starts working. So far no problems with the USB keyboard. I have a similar problem with the USB mouse on Solaris 11.1 as well....
48 • RE:MIsunderstanding (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-14 11:47:29 GMT from United States)
I misunderstood your complaint and I'm sorry for that. Of course the attitude of the distro developers does mean a lot in the choosing of any distro. Some distribution developers do demand complete obedience if you use their distro. Their motto is that its our way or the highway. Unless you do exactly as they say, good or bad, they will not help you or want to listen to any criticism. These are the ones you avoid at all cost. I don't believe the developers of E OS are like that tho. It seems that the people of Elementary OS made a poor decision in the wording of an article statement. It sounds more like chest thumping then anything else. Since I don't use Elementary it's not for me to judge.
49 • Choices made or not to be made.... that's the question... or not? (by Pierre on 2013-08-14 12:35:24 GMT from Germany)
Come on guys, every distro makes and has to make elementary design devisions, so if you don't want others to make decisions for you, you will end up doing your own distro or building your very own Linux from scratch.
It may be an option, but I'd rather take a distro that mostly fits my expectations and tweak the rest to make it fully fit. Simple as that. And openSUSE offers that for me, maybe your choice is different but some choices will always be made by others, I just have to be comfortable with the decisions that have been made.
50 • @ 49 • Choices made or not to be made...? - Pierre (by Chanath on 2013-08-14 14:03:30 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Well, you won't find anyone using the vanilla distro, do you? Everyone modifies, adds & subtracts apps, so everyone is making his own modified distro.
I am going to keep Elementary Luna with its logo, but with my modifications, and also as Ubuntu 12.04 LTS variant. I like the "un-bloated" feeling of that distro without the Unity DE.
Then again, I am keeping an Ubuntu Saucy with Unity and also with my modifications, and it doesn't look at all as the vanilla Ubuntu Saucy. They give us free distros and free apps, and we make the choices. Many thanks to the devs.
51 • RE:Modifications I'd like to see (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-14 14:20:42 GMT from United States)
"I am keeping an Ubuntu Saucy with Unity and also with my modifications, and it doesn't look at all as the vanilla Ubuntu Saucy."
Now you have me real curious. I would love to see what it looks like. Anyway you could send me a screenshot or post a link?
52 • @ Eddie (by Chanath on 2013-08-14 14:33:08 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Well, you can do that too. You install gnome-panel and logout and login to Gnome flashback, and start changing whatever you want. In one part, I've installed Awn dock, dockbarx applet, indicator3 applet and the old Slingshot. I keep the Unity part to see, what Ubuntu is coming up with. Keep an eye on Ubuntu +1 section in the Ubuntu Forums. Lot of knowledge there. By the way, the old Slingshot works in Unity too. Regards!
53 • elementary is better (by ange on 2013-08-15 07:06:15 GMT from Hungary)
Today Gala is updated, minimized windows appears when Window Overview or Show All Windows hotcorner is activated and disappears on inactive state, so this function in elementary is working perfectly again.
54 • @ 53 Elementary OS (by Chanath on 2013-08-15 16:04:15 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Thanks for the update. Actually, the only thing I need from the Elementary OS is the thing they don't want to give; the old Slingshot Launcher. The rest is Ubuntu and even in Saucy I have that launcher.
Elementary Luna doesn't ship with the System Monitor, so I installed it to check how it goes. The idling Luna takes as much as 465 MiB, which is not that good, even if we have more than 3 GiBs of memory. The idling Saucy used only 285 MiB, which is 40% less than Elementary Luna.
55 • @54 Old Slingshot to elementary (by ange on 2013-08-15 18:46:40 GMT from Hungary)
You can use the old Slingshot Launcher from PearLinux repo:
Add "deb http://pearlinux-repo.fr Rocha main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
apt-get install pear-launchpad
and replace org.pantheon.desktop.wingpanel 'slingshot-launcher' to 'pear' in dconf-editor (which installed by apt-get install dconf-tools).
56 • @ 55 Old Slingshot (by Chanath on 2013-08-16 02:04:20 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Thanks, but no need to use the Pear patched one, as I have deb packages for both 32 & 64 bits. The old slingshot has its beauty and the Deepin launcher has a bit more functionality, much better than the Unity dash and the Gnome dash, well at least for me.
When I said what the Elementary OS devs won't give, I meant was that they go for the new greyish slingshot launcher. which has the same functionality, but is just ugly. Of course, I can make the old Slingshot to look like the new one, but its nicer on the whole screen.
57 • Deepin (by ange on 2013-08-16 11:02:59 GMT from Hungary)
I didn't have that. Deepin is an another story, launcher is not based on precise, I don't want upgrade the base system with adding Deepin's repo.
58 • @ 57 • Deepin - ange (by Chanath on 2013-08-16 14:16:54 GMT from Sri Lanka)
No friend, not that way. You find the Deepin repos and download the deb files and use only those you need to get the Deepin menu shell. http://packages.linuxdeepin.com/deepin/pool/main/d/deepin-ui/
Do dpkg -i the deb package
You might have to download few deb packages, but you don't need to add the Deepin repos to your sources list. That way, it stays intact without getting upgraded and blocked in some way. I usually check my sources.list.d and put # in front of all those I don't want to get updated/upgraded.
59 • Fuduntu shell (by Dave Postles on 2013-08-16 20:54:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
I tried it with Springdale. The executable ran, downloaded and installed a load of stuff - but nothing changed on the desktop.
60 • developers (by imnotrich on 2013-08-16 22:59:18 GMT from Mexico)
Of course developers have every right to design and implement a particular distro their own way.
Their way or the highway is the common refrain.
But typically the "highway" means back to windows, and that's not a viable option.
Users don't understand why developers frequently issue "upgraded" versions which are less functional, support less hardware, have a counter-intuitive clunky and buggy UI or UI's and are just plain stinky. Naturally as "users" we would like to have some input regards future versions, or at least the ability to submit bugs that are taken seriously. My experience with one recent distro which will remain un-named? The bug reporting system was so buggy it wasn't possible to report bugs.
Makes perfect sense if you're a single digit IQ O B ama voter. Perhaps not for the informed populace.
61 • Salilx (by Shashi Warrier on 2013-08-19 04:36:17 GMT from India)
Your review of Salix was incomplete. Slackware is famous for not supporting GRUB: it uses lilo. On a dual- or multi-boot system that uses grub, lilo messes up the MBR so you can't boot into other systems. The solution is to avoid having the Salix installer write the bootloader. Instead, install the system and run update-grub to get a proper multi-boot menu.
Yes, Salix definitely isn't for the newbie.
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|• Issue 594 (2015-01-26): KaOS 2014.12, Commercial distros, Snappy Ubuntu, PackageKit fixes|
|• Issue 593 (2015-01-19): ReactOS 0.3.17, Unity on Mir, Bluetooth support, openSUSE election|
|• Issue 592 (2015-01-12): Mint 17.1, load averages, binary logs, GNOME Software|
|• Issue 591 (2015-01-05): Manjaro 0.8.11, systemd, Devuan, Torrent Corner|
|• Issue 590 (2014-12-22): Fedora 21, Ubuntu phone, expanding ZFS storage, Able2Extract|
|• Issue 589 (2014-12-15): Parsix 7.0, Ubuntu "Snappy", PC-BSD upgrades, How Linux Works|
|• Issue 588 (2014-12-08): PC-BSD 10.2, rolling-release Ubuntu GNOME, Bitrig, systemd|
|• Issue 587 (2014-12-01): Trisquel 7.0, Kubuntu 14.10 "Plasma5", FreeBSD on 64-bit ARM, Jolla and UbuTab|
|• Issue 586 (2014-11-24): Scientific Linux 7.0, Debian and systemd, Ubuntu MATE, application-level firewalls|
|• Issue 585 (2014-11-17): openSUSE 13.2, PC-BSD's "roles", MATE + Compiz on Mint, cleaning package cache|
|• Issue 584 (2014-11-10): OpenMandriva 2014.1, Debian freeze, trickle, systemd and boot times|
|• Issue 583 (2014-11-03): Ubuntu 14.10, ownCloud, Kylin interview, The Book of PF, Elive's commercial ways|
|• Issue 582 (2014-10-27): GhostBSD 4.0, Tumbleweed and Factory merge, systemd and fork of Debian|
|• Issue 581 (2014-10-20): SparkyLinux 3.5, Fedora's graphics stack, Debian and systemd, OpenBSD 5.6|
|• Issue 580 (2014-10-13): Rolling releases, Arch as best distro, GNOME on Wayland, MINIX 3.3.0|
|• Issue 579 (2014-10-06): PC-BSD 10.0.3, Debian's Jessie freeze, setting up home server|
|• Issue 578 (2014-09-29): Calculate 14, Debian's default desktop, Shellshock vulnerability, practical Tiny Core|
|• Issue 577 (2014-09-22): SymphonyOS 14.1, FreeBSD drops pkg_add, MINIX on ARM, GNU screen|
|• Issue 576 (2014-09-15): PCLinuxOS 2014.08, Mint's documentation, Debian's hardware database, CDE|
|• Issue 575 (2014-09-08): Porteus 3.0.1, Fedora's blivet-gui, Red Hat's Docker, systemd|
|• Issue 574 (2014-09-01): Ubuntu Kylin 14.04, Haiku and Linux kernel, Wayland support, Lumina, Bash completion|
|• Issue 573 (2014-08-25): SolydXK 201407, VPN gateway with FreeBSD, Ubuntu MATE, Raspbian, trusting binary packages|
|• Issue 572 (2014-08-18): ZFSguru 10.1, Fedora's Flock, beta installer for "Jessie", Ubuntu Core, rolling releases|
|• Issue 571 (2014-08-11): HandyLinux 1.6, LMDE update, default desktop in "Jessie", running out of disk space|
|• Issue 570 (2014-08-04): Neptune 4, Kubuntu's KDE Plasma 5, FreeBSD and UEFI, Linux servers|
|• Full list of all issues|
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