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1 • Salix default kernel (by Niki Kovacs on 2013-08-12 09:20:20 GMT from France) |
I guess you had trouble booting Btrfs because Salix, like Slackware, defaults to the "huge" kernel, with some sensible defaults compiled in. On Slackware, one of the first things the user is supposed to do is replace this kernel by the "generic" kernel, which needs an initrd. This is also needed for some situations like RAID, LVM, etc. More often than not, you have to leave the installer before the initial reboot (EXIT), chroot into the newly installed environment and then build an initrd adapted to your setup. I think the Salix team doesn't stress this step enough, hence your frustration.
I've written my personal documentation on the subject:
2 • Salix (by kc1di on 2013-08-12 09:44:15 GMT from United States)
As Per # 1's comments I have found his method worked here , but I must say that this is definately not a newbie friendly method. Think the installer should do this work for us during the install process.
Just my opinion though and Salix / Slackware are dependable Distros if you already know what to do next.
3 • Password Manager (by Sondar on 2013-08-12 09:56:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
Not too sure about that, Jesse. All of them collected in one place, one PC and only one master password to protect them? Wonder how long neo-Colossi geeks would take to unravel it? 1024bit encryption? The more difficult it is for me to remember, or find, my plethora of passwords, the more convoluted is the task for crackers? Sometimes a strategy involving lots of simple but unconnected steps in disseminated formats makes the task less worth the effort for miscreants?
4 • Elementary (by nybronx on 2013-08-12 10:01:03 GMT from United States)
Beautiful work gang very clean and smooth. Installing now..thx
5 • My Password Solution (by Eric on 2013-08-12 10:04:13 GMT from Canada)
http://passwordmaker.org/ is what I use, its got many extensions for browser use too.
No need for a database or local app to run or a database to manage, just a main password.
You can go wild and configure to your hearts content using various hashing algorithms like MD4, MD5, SHA1/SHA265/RIPEMD hashing algorithm, complexity and length AND the HMAC versions of all the algorithms beyond their single pass variant.
I have no fear at all saying I use a 14 character RIPEMD-160 hashed password. No one will ever guess or ever recreate my login's without my master pass I use to generate my site-specific passwords.
For the simple, there's a few reasonable ones like "Password Chameleon" or "SuperGenPass" in case "PasswordMaker" sounds too generic and for you or don't want as many options to customize things. So try them out if your interested and compare for yourself and find out how you like them.
6 • @5 password (by greg on 2013-08-12 11:26:39 GMT from Slovenia)
except for NSA that got all your password info during surveilance of servers :-)
7 • Elementary Luna (by Chanath on 2013-08-12 11:34:07 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Very nice distro. If I could autohide the wingpanel, it would be much nicer. Midori, of course had to be dropped as it doesn't have the features I need. Not sure about the Files, as I cannot find any menu in it, not like Nautilus. I found that this distro is very good with the battery life and it is quite fast, much faster than Ubuntu 12.04, which its based on.
8 • Password manager (by Omari on 2013-08-12 11:43:23 GMT from United States)
I use a colon delimited text file and an awk script to look things up. To encrypt that (I don't bother as my whole disk is encrypted) you could use GnuPG or OpenSSL. Simple.
9 • Review: Salix OS 14.0.1 "KDE" edition (by joji on 2013-08-12 11:58:02 GMT from Belgium)
"live CDs for demo and testing purposes will be made available later"
Kindly note that Salix OS • 14.0.1-beta2 (Live Xfce) and Salix OS • 14.0.1-beta1 (Live KDE) are availble since 08/10.
Have been testing the Live Xfce version for a few days and up to now no major complaints. Guess the same applies for the Live KDE.
10 • @6, so sad for them. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-12 12:02:50 GMT from United States)
Can't waste my time worrying about the NSA nor should I. The only ones I worry about are the ones at the other end of the spectrum. Governments have done this since they've had their own citizens, or other governments citizens to worry about. They don't bother me. The ones who can steal my money do bother me. That's what I guard against.
11 • 7 • Elementary Luna (by Chanath) (by Hollandhook on 2013-08-12 12:07:13 GMT from Mexico)
I'd like a bit more control over the wingpanel, too. But it's my one and only gripe about this clean, beautiful system. I tried it out in Alpha and Beta, thinking when stuff started going wrong, I'd drop it, but nothing ever went wrong in about two years. It's only been a day with the final Luna, but it seems like another long steady. Great work, e-Team.
12 • Re: Salix (by silent on 2013-08-12 12:55:45 GMT from Hungary)
Salix has recreated the existing swap partition during install instead of just formatting it. This is a problem in a multiboot environment where some installed OS's indentify the swap partition by UUID in fstab. In particular, Fedora has rejected to start even after modifying fstab, and the solution was starting it in rescue mode and recreating initramfs. Slackware users like to customize their system and build packages from source, so they presumably prefer vanilla. If Salix is targeting the beginners or lazy slackers then the installer should be improved and more binary packages should be provided; a warning that adding repositories could break the system is probably not enough to attract the potential users.
13 • elementary tweaks (by ange on 2013-08-12 14:29:56 GMT from Hungary)
Try out elementary-tweaks for changing hidden settings in elementary.
But keep in mind that it's unsupported, some functions doesn't work as expected. For example gathering minimized windows with hot corner.
14 • 2...Salix. (by willi-amp on 2013-08-12 14:52:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
'Just my opinion though and Salix / Slackware are dependable Distros if you already know what to do next.'
Surely this should read.....Just my opinion though and Salix / Slackware are dependable Distros only if you already know what to do next.
15 • @ 11 Elementary Luna - Hollandhook (by Chanath on 2013-08-12 14:56:23 GMT from Sri Lanka)
I have been waiting for them to come out with a stable release. The waiting time was so long, it was quite enough to find other ways to keep Gala and Pantheon and get rid of the Wingpanel and Plank.
The Wingpanel is actually useless, as you can't make it autohide. Any other panel would do the job, for example Lxpanel. Plank cannot be modified in anyway, so is not needed. They should've made the Plank more like the Deepin panel, with all the indicators and logout ans poweroff.
Anyway, I installed Awn dock and got rid of the Wingpanel and the Plank. Now, I have a clean desktop with the Awn autohiding and also with the indicator3 applet, which holds all the necessary items. I also took the new Slingshot out and installed the old Slingshot launcher. Now, I have a semi-transparent full screen menu shell, which is much prettier than the grayish new Silngshot menu shell.
There is of course another problem with Elementary Luna; one can't right-click the desktop and add anything there. Anyway, I never keep any icons on the screen, so this is not a problem for me.
What I like is the quick response to a mouse click, when opening an app. I am getting rid of the Pantheon File Manager and installing Nautilus. I might change the close, maximize buttons to minimize, maximize, close buttons, after a while playing with these corner buttons.
16 • SalixOS (by Caitlyn Martin on 2013-08-12 17:16:02 GMT from United States)
SalixOS is Slackware plus extra packages and tools which increase the software selection and make the OS more user friendly. I think, on the whole, the developers do a good job of delivering what they promise, an OS for "lazy Slackers". If you like Slackware but want things like automated dependency resolution and a larger repository then SalixOS is for you. The comment about the dated look and feel and the vanilla packages fits Slackware and increasingly fits almost all the Slackware derivatives as well. That's just the Slackware way of doing things. Some people are fanatic about it. Some don't care for it as all. It's a matter of personal preference.
What I find more annoying is the lack of support for things that are standard in other distributions nowadays. brtfs is one example and, as others have mentioned, it's because the installer doesn't create an initrd for you as other distros do in the install process. It also doesn't provide support for my Samsung Galaxy SII, an older Android phone, which is supported as a mass storage device out of the virtual box on any major distro other than Slackware.
I've long taken heat from Slackware fans because I've felt for some time that Slackware and it's derivatives are stuck in the past by the choice of the developers. For me that has gotten to the point that I can no longer use those distros. It's just too much work to get them up to speed and I end up with no added benefit from running them.
17 • salix review (by linuxuser on 2013-08-12 17:29:32 GMT from Greece)
Thanks Jesse for the nice review.
I think that the Salix team has done a very good job. They give us a stable distribution based on Slackware. They give us graphical configuration tools that are not provided by Slackware and they make use of package management tools that provide automatic dependency resolution.
You point out that "The package manager is capable, but takes a very basic approach to working with software".
I am not sure what do you mean by that. May be missing features like listing packages by categories (office , educational , multimedia , etc ) ?
I think that package management is one of the strong points of the distribution.
18 • WeWi (by Nick on 2013-08-12 17:57:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
It's a bit odd that the 'SOL', which is designed for people with no electricity, will use Ubuntu, given that Ubuntu recommends being connected to the internet for practically everything, including when it is installed.
Who has internet but no electricity?
How are the people of Ghana supposed to get their Amazon adverts?
Also, the XMir link you provided is broken.
19 • Elementary Luna - md5sum (by Bbig on 2013-08-12 18:54:29 GMT from Germany)
My "dd" of the *.iso fails to boot. Kernel parameters are not working.
Re-downloaded it - tryed again - failed again.
No problems with any *buntu till now, well actually all linux distros worked in the last 2 years or so... elementry os - no chance.
Oke, i can live with that; but srsly where are any hashes for that *.iso? md5sums anyone? How can someone release anything without any whatsoever hashes? What a waste of time.
20 • @18, Check it out. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-12 19:02:43 GMT from United States)
Well Nick, if you want the answers to those questions maybe you should ask the WeWi people. All of those functions that you mention can easily be disabled. Instructions for doing so can also easily be found most anywhere. I'm surprised you haven't heard. ;)
21 • @20 (by Nick on 2013-08-12 19:14:23 GMT from United Kingdom)
I know about disabling Amazon's adverts, but how are you supposed to disable the 'no electricity' function of Ghana?
Not even Bob Geldof has managed that one.
22 • @19 - checksums for elementary OS ISOs (by eco2geek on 2013-08-12 19:48:39 GMT from United States)
23 • @22 (by Big on 2013-08-12 20:04:19 GMT from Germany)
I used the serach on the HP ~ but well found nothing.
I was not willing to reg an user account for that question, i find it "not very smart" that they do not post any hashes for thier releases.
Oh well, it is not working for me anyway.
24 • @12: Reformatting the swap partition changes its UUID (by eco2geek on 2013-08-12 21:18:15 GMT from United States)
> Salix has recreated the existing swap partition during
> install instead of just formatting it. This is a problem in a
> multiboot environment where some installed OS's
> indentify the swap partition by UUID in fstab.
If you (or a distro's installer) reformat the swap partition, it changes its UUID.
I ran into the same problem with Fedora not booting after installing Debian. (Debian's installer reformats an existing swap partition by default.)
The problem is with Fedora -- or, to be more precise, with its implementation of systemd -- not with Salix or Debian. IMO, there's no reason one should have to create a new initrd simply because a partition's UUID was changed.
25 • Keepass (by Fritz on 2013-08-12 23:10:17 GMT from United States)
Personally, I use Keepass in conjunction with SpiderOak. Each of my machines is set up to sync a documents folder and that's where I keep the keepass database. That way, each of my computers always has my current passwords and I can even pull it up on my phone if I need to using keepassdroid.
26 • @12: Reformatting the swap partition changes its UUID (by kalwisti on 2013-08-13 00:23:49 GMT from United States)
I multiboot and have run into this several times. Jamie Watson suggests a workaround for this issue in his review of Debian 7.0 Wheezy (28 May 2013):
"There is a fairly simple way to avoid this - during the Debian installation, when setting up disk partitions go to the swap partition and change it to "do not use". Then after installation is complete, add the appropriate swap line to /etc/fstab."
A link to the full review is below; look for the last bullet point before the article's conclusion:
In my experience, I've found that with Fedora, the slow boot problem can be fixed by editing the "swap" entry in /etc/fstab, updating it with the new (changed) UUID.
27 • EOS (by historyb on 2013-08-13 01:48:13 GMT from United States)
@ 15 - You can get Elementary tweaks to fix the wing panel hiding behavior here http://www.elementaryupdate.com/2013/06/finally-elementary-tweaks.html
EOS is great so far for me, now during the beta 1 and 2 periods my wireless would just slow down to stop working but so far I have not had that problem on the final Luna release yet
28 • @ 27 EOS (by Chanath on 2013-08-13 02:36:30 GMT from Sri Lanka)
No, it doesn't make the Wingpanel autohide. It can change the Plank. I am quite happy with my changed Elementary Luna and with the Awn dock, indicator3 applet and DockbarX. I tried to install the Gnome-panel, but it would pull a whole lot of stuff, but I can copy and paste the necessary files in /usr. I like the Awn dock, even though no one is developing it, but what it has its beauty. The old Slingshot with the Awn dock gives the Elementary Luna better responsiveness and beauty.
It was good that there was no office suite installed, so we can choose what we want. Luna works nicely and no hitches yet. The next try would be installing the Deeping DE, just the shell in Luna, and I am going to use the best combination.
29 • OpenIndiana (by Ismail Arslangiray on 2013-08-13 04:13:15 GMT from United States)
It will not move forward without old style mouse. USB mouse will not work. But it looks great until the main page
30 • SOL Solar Panel Laptops (by Dr.Saleem Khan on 2013-08-13 04:15:57 GMT from Pakistan)
This sounds a great project , though the solar plates give this machine a bit hardware overloaded looks but certainly it is a great idea not for countries in Africa who are always short of power but also for a nuclear power country like Pakistan as well where we face power shut downs for 15-18 hours in 24 hours on regular basis . If Pakistani Govt. purchases these machines for distribution amongst students
( http://www.notesmela.com/kpk-khyber-pakhtunkhwa-student-free-laptop-scheme-2012/ ) rather than purchasing expensive ones available in market it will not only save lot of money for an economically defaulted state but will actually help the students use a laptop wich works in 15-18 hours power shut down period.
31 • elementary OS Luna is fast, pretty (by eco2geek on 2013-08-13 05:11:14 GMT from United States)
Being an old-school type who likes hierarchical menus, UI elements that show buttons for running applications, and full-featured file managers, I wasn't sure how I'd like elementary OS. But after a day and a half of playing with it, I do like it. It feels very responsive. Even memory-hungry apps like Firefox and OpenOffice.org load quickly. And it looks good, too.
There seems to be a lot of discussion here about such things as making WingPanel (the panel that runs across the top of the screen) autohide. I personally don't care about that. The one big issue I had was that Midori (the distro's web browser) would not play Flash video on either the 32-bit or 64-bit version (sound worked fine, but not video). This seems to be a known issue:
(Ironically, this meant that I couldn't watch the marketing video that's posted on elementary OS's main page.) I finally got it working.
Midori also has rendering glitches with some web pages, when you scroll up or down. Of course, it's a cinch to install another web browser and pin it to Plank (the dock).
Any other gripes I may have had about things not being user-configurable (such as the font or the transparency of the Pantheon Terminal, which has no menus) were taken care of by installing "elementary Tweaks" (a utility similar to gnome-tweak-tool). You no longer have to go digging around in dconf-editor.
The ISO even fits on a CD.
32 • Elementary Luna - md5sum (by Robin on 2013-08-13 10:02:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
Click in the i by the file name = view details
SHA1 and MD5SUM are just waiting for you to call!
33 • RE:Where's the internet (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-13 11:46:16 GMT from United States)
I know what you mean Nick. I wonder where their internet comes from. They must have a hell of a hotspot. :)
34 • SalixOS, elementary OS, OpenIndiana, openSUSE (by Pierre on 2013-08-13 12:47:02 GMT from Germany)
I used SalixOS before I fell in love with openSUSE 12.1 and their successors.
It's a userfriendly Slackware, very stable, a beautiful vanilla linux but as Debian too conservative to fully meet my preferences and taste.
I am nevertheless happy to see so many interesting distributions hit new releases and development snapshots.
First of all I am quite positively surprised to see OpenIndiana nearing a new release. It was realy quite about that project and although I am not using OpenIndiana at all I always have been a little interested in that project. It would have been sad to see another open source OS die.
Secondly I am happy about openSUSE 13.1 Milestone 4 being released in time with the rewritten YaST finally included for testing before 13.1 hits Beta phase.
Another openSUSE release which I am really excited about. The discussion about changing the release and development model is still ongoing. I can't wait for a decision because the plans I read of do really appeal to me.
Thirdly there is elementary OS been released recently. I looks good, is fast and stable. So a very good option. Sadly I am absolutely no Ubuntu fan and would have liked if the developers had based their good work on an other distribution that fits their needs. Debian would have been fine as well, I think. But at least this disto is finally a worthy Ubuntu based distro.
35 • Elementary OS (by Derek on 2013-08-13 12:56:43 GMT from United States)
After reading some of the comments about Elementary OS I was about ready to give it a try. I have not been an Ubuntu fan for many years and usually stay away from anything based on Ubuntu but the comments looked really good so I went to the web site and looked deeper.
Because of the article "We Moved The Cheese" dated May 17th, 2013 (in the journal page) in the last paragraph they say, "You’re here because we’ve been making choices for you. Lots of them. We always have and always will."
Personally, one of the reasons I moved to Linux (about 15 years ago) was because I had the freedom of choice. I didn't want 1 man or a small group making decisions on how my computer looked and worked.
Even know Elementary OS may be a very good OS I will not give it a try because I want to make my own choices not have them made for me.
36 • ElementaryOS (by Hollandhook on 2013-08-13 13:29:15 GMT from Mexico)
Elementary is presenting a system designed for anyone to sit down and use. That's been their main goal, along with the beauty, the quickness and stability. They've succeeded on those counts. I don't agree that more advanced users are stuck with what they give them. (There are a very few exceptions, such as Wingpanel, though that can be replaced, as mentioned.) I add whatever applications I normally use and do my preferred theming, set up Plank with what I want it to carry. Replace the default browser with Firefox. Same routine things I do after installing any distro. So it's not accurate to say users are left without choices. If you like what they give you, however, you've got it and can easily work with it.
37 • Elementary OS Luna (by Chanath on 2013-08-13 14:44:15 GMT from Sri Lanka)
The devs had done something to take out the bloat from Ubuntu, so the distro is snappy. Since the beta release, I knew that I need only Gala, Pantheon and the Slingshot launcher, and not the new apps without menus. I can do without Gala too, but its nice. I moved the beta release to Raring, using the Gnome panel, and putting away the Wingpanel and Plank, as both are not configurable, with or without elementary tweaks.
Now, that the final release is out, I have put away the Wingpanel, Plank and also few apps without menus. I have no time to imagine what to use to get something done, so Nautilus is back with some other usual apps. This Luna looks very pretty with the Awn dock, indicator3 applet and Dockbarx applet.
The hot corners and the bottom dynamic workspaces are there, so my respin had become quite an interesting one. Well, I always redo any distro, never use the vanilla one, as most of us users. Now, I'd move the base to Raring and possibly to Saucy, after remastering this. Going to have lot of fun!
38 • @32 (by Bbig on 2013-08-13 14:59:45 GMT from Germany)
Thx Robin, but eco2geek already got me covered.
Still a bad habit, not posting checksums on the download page.
== == ==
I just gave it another try, a 3rd try after md5sum the *.iso - won't boot // just a black screen, no prompt, no kernel panic, nothing.
If i can spare a little more time, i try a VM.
39 • @38 MD5s. (by Rev_Don on 2013-08-13 15:56:48 GMT from United States)
I totally agree. I can't understand why some distros go to such lengths to make it so difficult to find the MD5/SHA hashes to verify the integrity of the downloads. It's appalling and one of the main reasons that I skip many distros. If they don't place the information front and center with the download link I move on to another distro that does. We shouldn't have to look for the hashes. It makes me wonder what they are trying to hide.
It could be worse though. They could provide the hashes, then tell you in their forums not to bother with them when the downloads don't match like Zorin does. Now that is really pathetic.
40 • elementary (by ange on 2013-08-13 16:36:28 GMT from Hungary)
@35 The "moving the cheese" article was an impolite reaction for a trolling (by an user who has mouse avatar) when the team changed things in idiot way (all pantheon-files settings removed, gala theme key in dconf moved to mutter subtree, shortly after pear-os adopted portions from pantheon).
41 • RE:Nobody is making choices for you. (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-13 17:26:38 GMT from United States)
Nobody is making choices for you in any Linux distro you use. Do you know why? Because you have the final say so in what goes on your computer and that's the way it should be. It really get me when people say, how dare they change the desktop manager, or the file manager, or the startup system, etc.,etc, like it was a personal assault on them the user. In the open source Linux ecosystem you are allowed to change whatever you want in most any distro you want. The developers have that same right. You can always move on to another distro. One that may suit your taste better. Just don't put down the developers for making a decision on their distro that you don't like. Afterall, It is their distribution.
42 • KDE and RAM (by Niki Kovacs on 2013-08-13 19:09:25 GMT from France)
I have KDE 4.10.5 on Slackware 14.0, and the empty desktop eats 175 MB RAM with the semantic desktop and indexing disabled.
43 • Re: #24 Swap formatting (by silent on 2013-08-13 20:17:45 GMT from Hungary)
According to the man page, the UUID to be used for the swap partition can be specified by 'mkswap -U uuid' so it is easy to keep the existing swap UUID if a distribution is meant to be multiboot (user) friendly.
44 • gOldSense? (by PePa on 2013-08-14 02:44:33 GMT from Canada)
I was curious what version of Gnome the latest gNewSense 3.0 is using. Turns out, it's gnome 2.30, and the whole release is based on Debian old-stable (Squeeze) with a 2.6.32 kernel! (Nothing much against that though, it's just really quite unusual to release something so old..!)
45 • #44: 2.6.32 kernel, GNOME 2.x plus Fuduntu Enterprise Linux (by Caitlyn Martin on 2013-08-14 05:07:39 GMT from United States)
Any distro based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6.x is also using a heavily patched 2.6.32 kernel and a 2.x based version of GNOME. What gNewSense is doing is hardly unique in that respect. Of course, you can jazz up CentOS, Scientific Linux or Springdale Linux for the desktop by using the Fuduntu Enterprise Linux package set Andrew Wyatt has developed. See: http://sourceforge.net/projects/fuduntu-el/
46 • RE: Nobody is making choices for you (by Derek on 2013-08-14 05:12:40 GMT from United States)
I pretty much agree with everything you said and as you can tell i have exercised my right to choose a different distro. My problem was not with the OS. I have never used it so I will not judge it. (judging by the comments here it is an execelent OS) I do not feel any changes they or any other distro makes is a personal assault. If i don't like the changes they make i move on. My problem and the reason i wont try E OS is the attitude. "You’re here because we’ve been making choices for you. Lots of them. We always have and always will." If i wanted decisions made for me i would have stuck with Windows or stuck with Mac.
47 • @29-USB mouse on OpenIndiana (by Ralph on 2013-08-14 06:54:27 GMT from Canada)
USB mouse on OpenIndiana works fine on my machine, but with one caveat. Often, at the log-in screen the mouse cursor freezes, but if I unplug the mouse and put it *another* USB port, then all of a sudden it starts working. So far no problems with the USB keyboard. I have a similar problem with the USB mouse on Solaris 11.1 as well....
48 • RE:MIsunderstanding (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-14 11:47:29 GMT from United States)
I misunderstood your complaint and I'm sorry for that. Of course the attitude of the distro developers does mean a lot in the choosing of any distro. Some distribution developers do demand complete obedience if you use their distro. Their motto is that its our way or the highway. Unless you do exactly as they say, good or bad, they will not help you or want to listen to any criticism. These are the ones you avoid at all cost. I don't believe the developers of E OS are like that tho. It seems that the people of Elementary OS made a poor decision in the wording of an article statement. It sounds more like chest thumping then anything else. Since I don't use Elementary it's not for me to judge.
49 • Choices made or not to be made.... that's the question... or not? (by Pierre on 2013-08-14 12:35:24 GMT from Germany)
Come on guys, every distro makes and has to make elementary design devisions, so if you don't want others to make decisions for you, you will end up doing your own distro or building your very own Linux from scratch.
It may be an option, but I'd rather take a distro that mostly fits my expectations and tweak the rest to make it fully fit. Simple as that. And openSUSE offers that for me, maybe your choice is different but some choices will always be made by others, I just have to be comfortable with the decisions that have been made.
50 • @ 49 • Choices made or not to be made...? - Pierre (by Chanath on 2013-08-14 14:03:30 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Well, you won't find anyone using the vanilla distro, do you? Everyone modifies, adds & subtracts apps, so everyone is making his own modified distro.
I am going to keep Elementary Luna with its logo, but with my modifications, and also as Ubuntu 12.04 LTS variant. I like the "un-bloated" feeling of that distro without the Unity DE.
Then again, I am keeping an Ubuntu Saucy with Unity and also with my modifications, and it doesn't look at all as the vanilla Ubuntu Saucy. They give us free distros and free apps, and we make the choices. Many thanks to the devs.
51 • RE:Modifications I'd like to see (by LinuxMan on 2013-08-14 14:20:42 GMT from United States)
"I am keeping an Ubuntu Saucy with Unity and also with my modifications, and it doesn't look at all as the vanilla Ubuntu Saucy."
Now you have me real curious. I would love to see what it looks like. Anyway you could send me a screenshot or post a link?
52 • @ Eddie (by Chanath on 2013-08-14 14:33:08 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Well, you can do that too. You install gnome-panel and logout and login to Gnome flashback, and start changing whatever you want. In one part, I've installed Awn dock, dockbarx applet, indicator3 applet and the old Slingshot. I keep the Unity part to see, what Ubuntu is coming up with. Keep an eye on Ubuntu +1 section in the Ubuntu Forums. Lot of knowledge there. By the way, the old Slingshot works in Unity too. Regards!
53 • elementary is better (by ange on 2013-08-15 07:06:15 GMT from Hungary)
Today Gala is updated, minimized windows appears when Window Overview or Show All Windows hotcorner is activated and disappears on inactive state, so this function in elementary is working perfectly again.
54 • @ 53 Elementary OS (by Chanath on 2013-08-15 16:04:15 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Thanks for the update. Actually, the only thing I need from the Elementary OS is the thing they don't want to give; the old Slingshot Launcher. The rest is Ubuntu and even in Saucy I have that launcher.
Elementary Luna doesn't ship with the System Monitor, so I installed it to check how it goes. The idling Luna takes as much as 465 MiB, which is not that good, even if we have more than 3 GiBs of memory. The idling Saucy used only 285 MiB, which is 40% less than Elementary Luna.
55 • @54 Old Slingshot to elementary (by ange on 2013-08-15 18:46:40 GMT from Hungary)
You can use the old Slingshot Launcher from PearLinux repo:
Add "deb http://pearlinux-repo.fr Rocha main" to /etc/apt/sources.list
apt-get install pear-launchpad
and replace org.pantheon.desktop.wingpanel 'slingshot-launcher' to 'pear' in dconf-editor (which installed by apt-get install dconf-tools).
56 • @ 55 Old Slingshot (by Chanath on 2013-08-16 02:04:20 GMT from Sri Lanka)
Thanks, but no need to use the Pear patched one, as I have deb packages for both 32 & 64 bits. The old slingshot has its beauty and the Deepin launcher has a bit more functionality, much better than the Unity dash and the Gnome dash, well at least for me.
When I said what the Elementary OS devs won't give, I meant was that they go for the new greyish slingshot launcher. which has the same functionality, but is just ugly. Of course, I can make the old Slingshot to look like the new one, but its nicer on the whole screen.
57 • Deepin (by ange on 2013-08-16 11:02:59 GMT from Hungary)
I didn't have that. Deepin is an another story, launcher is not based on precise, I don't want upgrade the base system with adding Deepin's repo.
58 • @ 57 • Deepin - ange (by Chanath on 2013-08-16 14:16:54 GMT from Sri Lanka)
No friend, not that way. You find the Deepin repos and download the deb files and use only those you need to get the Deepin menu shell. http://packages.linuxdeepin.com/deepin/pool/main/d/deepin-ui/
Do dpkg -i the deb package
You might have to download few deb packages, but you don't need to add the Deepin repos to your sources list. That way, it stays intact without getting upgraded and blocked in some way. I usually check my sources.list.d and put # in front of all those I don't want to get updated/upgraded.
59 • Fuduntu shell (by Dave Postles on 2013-08-16 20:54:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
I tried it with Springdale. The executable ran, downloaded and installed a load of stuff - but nothing changed on the desktop.
60 • developers (by imnotrich on 2013-08-16 22:59:18 GMT from Mexico)
Of course developers have every right to design and implement a particular distro their own way.
Their way or the highway is the common refrain.
But typically the "highway" means back to windows, and that's not a viable option.
Users don't understand why developers frequently issue "upgraded" versions which are less functional, support less hardware, have a counter-intuitive clunky and buggy UI or UI's and are just plain stinky. Naturally as "users" we would like to have some input regards future versions, or at least the ability to submit bugs that are taken seriously. My experience with one recent distro which will remain un-named? The bug reporting system was so buggy it wasn't possible to report bugs.
Makes perfect sense if you're a single digit IQ O B ama voter. Perhaps not for the informed populace.
61 • Salilx (by Shashi Warrier on 2013-08-19 04:36:17 GMT from India)
Your review of Salix was incomplete. Slackware is famous for not supporting GRUB: it uses lilo. On a dual- or multi-boot system that uses grub, lilo messes up the MBR so you can't boot into other systems. The solution is to avoid having the Salix installer write the bootloader. Instead, install the system and run update-grub to get a proper multi-boot menu.
Yes, Salix definitely isn't for the newbie.
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