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1 • Happy birthday Slackware (by Niki Kovacs on 2013-07-22 09:42:54 GMT from France) |
I've written a short piece about Slackware to celebrate its 20th birthday.
2 • Slackware Birithday! (by kc1di on 2013-07-22 10:09:31 GMT from United States)
Ditto @ #1 congratulations on 20 great years of Slackware.
3 • Slackware (by danmery on 2013-07-22 10:22:07 GMT from United States)
HAPPY BIRTHDAY GUYS !!!!!!
4 • Happy 20th Slackware (by bewbies on 2013-07-22 10:24:50 GMT from United States)
Truth be told, I still haven't gotten around to trying Slackware yet. I've only been using Linux for about 2.5 years now and have tried most of the major distributions listed here at Distrowatch except Slackware and Gentoo. I think I'll give Slackware a try in honor of its 20th anniversary. Congrats to Pat Volkerding and the Slackware community.
5 • LinuxBBQ (by uz64 on 2013-07-22 11:14:32 GMT from United States)
This distro sounds like an interesting experiment. I have an interest in window managers and a live CD with practically all of them would make trying them all out easy. Their web site is great; reading it provided me with some quality entertainment I have to admit. Gotta love a distribution with the balls to name its releases with titles like Threesome, Gangbang, CLIt, Boner, Virgin, Cameltoe, etc. It's nice to see every once in a while something that doesn't take names too seriously and actually has a sense of humor. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on this one.
And happy birthday Slackware!
6 • Zorin OS Lite (by Carl Smuck on 2013-07-22 12:35:16 GMT from United States)
I tried out Zorin OS Lite for a little while and it worked fine when I used it in the default mode. However, when I switched to the Mac OSX look it became really buggy. I then replaced the Zorin OS Lite with Peppermint OS4 which is built on the same base and it is much more stable.
7 • UbuntuForums attack vector? (by Rahim on 2013-07-22 13:12:01 GMT from Ecuador)
Any information yet about the attack vector used against UbuntuForums? Would it be a vulnerability in their forum software (they used Vbulletin, right?) or the database server or the core OS? Or was it some sort of social engineering attack or a bad apple in the development team?
8 • Zorin (by Bam on 2013-07-22 13:57:31 GMT from United States)
I have used Zorin and it is a good O/S as is Peppermint O/S. I however prefer the Unity interface. I have found that a distro which use Ubuntu as a base usually perform very well.
Great review Jesse.
9 • Forum software (by LinuxMan on 2013-07-22 14:23:37 GMT from United States)
Only the forums were affected. The default security scheme for Vbulletin seems to be the problem. But again if a person follows the proper security practice while online and when using public forums then there will be no problems for the user. A new password should be used for every thing a person would log into while online. It would be even better to use a good password manager.Canonical did drop the ball when setting up security on VBulletin but in the end it's the user who is responsible for the security of their computer system and it's usage.
10 • @7 UbuntuForums attack (by vw72 on 2013-07-22 14:29:31 GMT from United States)
Evidently they were running an outdated version of vBulletin and the admin panel was left unprotected. At least that is what was reported on the OMG site.
11 • Ubuntu forums breach (by David Smith on 2013-07-22 15:11:18 GMT from Canada)
Apple Developer web site was also hacked, and is still down. See article on CNET. It's become fairly common and across the board, so difficult to point fingers at this or that company/technology as 'inferior'. Obviously some are better and some aren't so great, but it seems not much will stop a determined hacker these days.
12 • Zorn (by Bill on 2013-07-22 15:43:48 GMT from United States)
Over the last few years I have installed Zorn OS on a good number of my friends and family's computers due to their constant problems with Windows. All of them were able to convert over with very few issues. The biggest problem was getting them to use the software center. They just couldn't believe they could just download software for free and not have to worry about being attacked.
Nice Review Jesse.
13 • @12 (by Bam on 2013-07-22 17:48:54 GMT from United States)
David I agree 100%. The Dept of Defense has been hacked and numerous other government sites. You also read of banks being hacked, particular Bank of America.
So, Ubuntu,Apple Microsoft,it seems no one is safe from determined hacker(s)
14 • @11, Only one way to stop them. (by LinuxMan on 2013-07-22 17:50:22 GMT from United States)
I saw the story about Apple on Ars Technica. You are correct. It is very hard to stop a determined hacker these days. That is one of the reasons that I say a good security scheme is necessary. We all know this or at least everyone here should know this. It's sad that we live in a world in which we have to watch out backs like this, but it is what it is, so we have to make do. I do believe a hacker can be stopped and not just slowed down. It seems that this is everyone's problem to contend with.
15 • RPi "s perfect home server is interesting, but (by dbrion on 2013-07-22 17:58:39 GMT from France)
As the author, in its introduction, write, it is not such glamorous.
Building a home server from an old PC (but there are energy issues) or having it given / sold at hidden prices from an ISP make it somewhat redundant : "the simple joy of trying something new! " is sot such simple, becaus e I do not think it is such new....
As RPi has a graphical processor, it is not optimal w/r energy use -and it cannot be removed!- ; : it may be good, it cannot be optimal....
OTOH, RPi can be very good at image procesing (but Black Bone can be better -it is now about as expensive, has better connector and a slightly fster proc-) http://blog.oscarliang.net/raspberry-pi-face-recognition-opencv/ , some video display http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/3545. As it is popular, it is likely that hardware cards -no need to design/simulate/test/solder it one self- will be/are developped and tested by a large number of people (this conteracts the fact that I do not trust its connectors), and that kernel modules will be developped... but I am not sure.
There are two strange things with RPi:
it (with BB, PCduinon and other ARM based cards) is now less expensive than Arduino, a popular 8 bit -mostly- microcontroller card/IDE;
programming it (and more generally, ARMs) without linux kernel -people making very fast videos with Beagle Bone remove Linux kernel, which adds .. lags- is
than programming a 8 bit controller; as, for most tasks, 20 ms latencies are quite OK, most electronic oriented users will ... keep the GNUlinux kernel (and learn how to program with GNUlinux with their PS -it is likely their PC is a Windows one...)
16 • The forums breach (by cflow on 2013-07-22 18:05:39 GMT from United States)
Well, I had to change passwords for my own security all throughout my accounts...
As for what happened, this would have been an awesome story for The H to create. But it's incredibly sad that the news site is going to close down. Its open source reports were the best of any linux/technology site I've ever known. I don't know if any other site could come close to its objectivity and coverage.
17 • RE: The H (by LinuxMan on 2013-07-22 18:59:13 GMT from United States)
Yes it is sad that The H is shutting down. By the way, " this would have been an awesome story for The H to create." just struck me funny. lol. I believe I know what you mean but a good news site investigates and then reports the story. Yes, The H would have done well with this one.
18 • Zorin OS Lite review (by Bobintoronto on 2013-07-22 20:48:06 GMT from Canada)
What would have been more useful would have been a review of how Zorin OS Lite runs on let's say a +/- 2 GHz. Pentium IV (or AMD equivalent) machine with let's say 512 MB RAM and an on board graphics chip.
That's the vintage of computer that one would want to save from the landfill once Windows XP support ends in April.
I don't find reviews of "lite" Linux distros that were tested on relatively current hardware to be particularly helpful.
BTW, I'm testing "AntiX" on a 1.0 GHz. PIII...so far,so good.
19 • @ 18 Zorin Lite (by Rev_Don on 2013-07-22 23:50:28 GMT from United States)
While I agree that it would have been useful to test Zorin Lite on an older single core system, that isn't always practical. Do you know for a fact that Jesse even has an older computer with specs that you mentioned to test it on?
But Zorin 7 Lite is essentially a Themed Lubuntu 13.04 with a couple of custom scripts. If Lubuntu will run on the system then there is a 99.9% chance that Z7L will as well.
But anyone wanting to replace XP with Linux as a full time OS on an everyday machine isn't going to want a short term release version like that anyway, especially a Linux beginner. The last thing they need is to have to re-install, configure, and tweak their OS every 6 to 8 months. They would be much better off with a LTS release, and that would mean Zorin 6 which I know for a fact works quite well on P4s (even slower socket 423 models) and Socket 462 AMD systems with onboard graphics and 512 megs of ram as I've tried it on them.
Haven't tried 7 though as I don't waste my time on short term releases that aren't supported for at least 18 months like we used to have. It simply isn't worth the time or trouble to do so now. .
20 • Re: The H (by Thomas Mueller on 2013-07-23 02:12:58 GMT from United States)
I regularly visited The H (www.h-online.com), so I too read about it shutting down.
If you can read German, you can get the same information, and more at heise online (www.heise.de). With the demise of The H, I expect to visit heise online more often. You can even subscribe to their free daily e-newsletter.
21 • Slackware turns twenty (by Didier Spaier on 2013-07-23 06:22:44 GMT from France)
Patrick Volkerding didn't forget about that unique achievement, see this thread on Linux Questions' Slackware forum:
I hope Patrick will maintain Slackware at its best at least 20 more years!
22 • Ubuntu hack (by DrCR on 2013-07-23 09:15:24 GMT from United States)
What sort of hash, does anyone know? A salted hash is not a lot better than cleartext if not done right.
23 • Zorin Reveiw (by Les on 2013-07-23 20:26:44 GMT from United States)
You use to test on a laptop also, what happened that you no longer do that? I feel it is important as an OS and behave differently on a laptop. Condsider including that again if you can.
24 • Ubuntu kickstarter for edge (by meanpt on 2013-07-23 21:37:30 GMT from Portugal)
Suddenly ubuntu wants 32 million to start the Edge business, sold as a phone plus a desktop. Lets get it straight: one only gets a phone against seven hundred plus taxes, but no desktop nor a dock. By the way, why on Earth would I want a desktop, and even worse, a desktop powered by an ubuntu phone? Should I get rid of my beloved notebook and get a desktop? Really?
25 • Zorin OS Lite review (by Bobintoronto on 2013-07-24 01:14:54 GMT from Canada)
If one of my activities was reviewing "lite" GNU/Linux distros for a high traffic GNU/Linux review site I'd want to have a "clunker" computer or two to test them on. They're not exactly difficult to find...I've got a basement full of old hardware.
I agree that I'd want to install some kind of LTS distro on any machine being used by a non-technical newbie.
26 • Zorin OS 7 Rev Don (by Chanath on 2013-07-24 07:47:57 GMT from Sri Lanka)
"But Zorin 7 Lite is essentially a Themed Lubuntu 13.04 with a couple of custom scripts."
True. All Zorin OS distros are like that. The Awn dock, DockbarX can be installed, from Webupd8 website. The only script to make the Awn dock have a Windows looking task bar applet--awn-applet-indicator3--you can download it from the Launchpad. The "jumping" windows as in Kwin can be had from Compiz Animations. You can either keep or uninstall Unity, if you want. Those Look-changer and Website-changer are old as Lucid. Other than that, its only Ubuntu with window themes, gtk themes and a set of icons. The plus point in making your own respin is that you can have Unity DE too, whereas you just can't install Unity in Zorin Os7 that easily.
With Lubuntu available, I won't download Zorin Lite--sorry, Zorin fans--Lubuntu being the most polished Lxde distro I've seen yet.
Actually, I have Ubuntu 13.04 with Awn dock, Awn DockbarX extension, indicator3 applet and also a desktop session named AWN. This session can be renamed, for example called Chanath Desktop. If one knows how to use the Terminal, at least basically, this is quite easy to do.
27 • @26 Zorin OS 7 (by Chanath on 2013-07-24 07:57:24 GMT from Sri Lanka)
One more addition the above.
This Awn-applet-indicator3 is from Zorin OS Packages of Launchpad, and that's the only application I have from Zorin. I mean its not absolutely needed, but it takes less space than a bunch of Awn applets. This applet has one problem, it only works in flat position--if you want to use 3D, it looks bad.
28 • RE:Canonical (by LinuxMan on 2013-07-24 11:49:17 GMT from United States)
@24, Nope, Ubuntu will be the os running on the Edge phone. Canonical are the ones that are raising the money. People make the mistake that Canonical and Ubuntu are the same. They are not. Canonical sponsors and develops the Ubuntu distribution. The Next is not a desktop. It is a smartphone, small but powerful enough to be hooked to a monitor, keyboard, etc. and can be used as a desktop if a person so desires. At 600.00 to 800.00 US dollars, and with the extras, like the damage proof screen, the price of the phone is comparable to other smartphones. I'm not sure what this has to do with your notebook, or the reason for your rant, but this is the business of smartphones.
29 • Re: 28 by LinuxMan (by Leo on 2013-07-24 14:32:50 GMT from United States)
I fully agree. I think the tricky part is subsidizing, most people get a subsidized phone through their carrier, so the cost they (we) "see" is a smal fraction of the real phone cost (of course, we pay through the nose for the service through the life of the contract).
If I could have a dual boot phone that I connect to a monitor and do regular laptop stuff, it doesn't replace a laptop in full, but I could eliminate the need for one computer at home. Leave a monitor sitting at a desk, and just connect the phone to it when i need it, and use a bluetooth keyboard to type. And still pick up phone calls if I get called while working. This is a terrific tool. If I can get my cell phone provider to offer me that for a regular smartphone price, I am ALL in.
30 • Simplicity Slacky Puppy (by capricornus on 2013-07-24 15:35:13 GMT from France)
Another Puppy that won't take a walk in a VirtualBox with me. In that Box, Mint 15 XFCE is still performing outstandingly.
31 • Chromebook - anyone else installed Debian or Ubuntu via "crouton" yet? (by Andy Prough on 2013-07-24 18:24:42 GMT from United States)
I've installed ARM versions of both Ubuntu and Debian onto my Chromebook via a cool little opensource chroot environment builder called "crouton" (https://github.com/dnschneid/crouton).
I'm very impressed with this implementation. Installation of the target chroot environment is very fast (about 10 minutes), and you get your choice of distros (Debian or Ubuntu) and choice of desktops (XFCE, LXDE, KDE, Unity, Gnome). I've found KDE is a bit more stable than XFCE or LMDE, haven't tried Unity or Gnome.
32 • demise of XP/old hardware (by Dave Postles on 2013-07-24 22:13:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
Perhaps Slitaz? It installs quickly, loads quickly, runs in minimal RAM, and has a decent repository. I'm using it on an old netbook.
33 • XP computers (by Somewhat Reticent on 2013-07-25 02:31:39 GMT from United States)
A lot of hardware produced (and software) over the last decades will not do well with Win7's "XP-mode", even with specs well beyond minimum for XP. Even though many distros should perform well on these, many manufacturers built in non-standard features that make using other software more challenging than coping with their paltry support. Either it "just works", or it doesn't - and finding out how to cope may be like searching for a needle among a haystack of pins.
These computers likely consume more electricity than new computers, but it may take a lot to justify replacement cost. Recycling electronics isn't 100%; much goes into landfill, more materials must be mined and processed to make new units.
Have there been all that many patches or fixes lately? Will the end of Microsoft support cause computers still running XP to crash? Will it be noticed or missed? Does anyone expect ReactOS to be viable by next April?
34 • @ XP computers (by greg on 2013-07-25 07:42:08 GMT from Slovenia)
I plan to continue using XP. However i will also install linux on separate partition. somehow it might be safer for onlien banking (i just hope it will work). For pro banking (company) i will use win7 starter. those chips work in windows only (no mac or linux - stupid state bank!)
At work we have P4 with 1 GB RAM. they just install win 7 on them.sometimes i wish they increase dthe ram to 2 GB otherwise win7 works relatively normally. only it eats a bit more ram (about 200 MB) than xp. i hear win 8 uses less than win 7.
35 • XP (by Dave Postles on 2013-07-25 08:36:17 GMT from United Kingdom)
Presumably the issue is whether there remain security holes which can be exploited by hackers, which will not now be patched by security updates?
36 • XP "required" - or maybe not; migration thoughts (by Somewhat Reticent on 2013-07-25 17:20:16 GMT from United States)
I believe Windows was designed to support anti-malware services; Microsoft certainly dragged their feet regarding some known deficiencies; I haven't heard of any recent bugfixes.
Perhaps the question is whether Microsoft will pass the baton gracefully, or serve the short-sighted interests of other businesses. And whether support for software running on this popular platform will continue - will Microsoft even allow it? Would there be some increased liability?
Mozilla Firefox with Sun Java sufficed for an online video lecture class, even though the teacher was certain I'd need Microsoft software. I suspect corporations prefer to trust other corporations, just as humans find it easier to trust other humans. Defects & restriction mandates.
For cautious XP holdouts:
PenDriveLinux provides the live testing tools YUMI and UUI,
GRUB2Win at SourceForge provides for gentle multiboot installs; is there a similar facility based on SysLinux?
Some distros can install directly onto a USB flash pen-drive stick, avoiding hard drives altogether, though some operations may start or run slower. And then, a second hard drive could eventually become a backup archive ...
37 • XP (by Rev_Don on 2013-07-25 22:37:05 GMT from United States)
One of the problems with replacing XP with Linux is many of these old XP boxes don't support booting from a USB device making the use of Live USB's with Persistence difficult, if not downright impossible, especially for new Linux users, or those with limited computing skills.
And some that will boot from a CD won't boot from a DVD. With so many distros getting too large to fit on a CD, it's becoming more difficult to keep them running.
I've been telling all of my clients, friends, family, etc. that if you have a single core processor they need to replace the computer not just XP. With desktops as cheap as they are now, it's not worth it to try and stretch another couple of years out of anything that old. Essentially, if it won't run Windows 7 or Debian Stable, and run it well replace it. Those are the only two options I'm going with. They all tend to complain about how slow things are on these computers anyway, even after installing a GOOD distro of Linux on it so I just refuse to waste my time with them any longer. If they can do it themselves for the most part, I'll assist them, but I won't install some fly by night, short term supported for only a few months distro for them as I don't want to have to do it all over again in a few months when support runs out.
That short release/support cycle is one of the things holding Linux back as far as I'm concerned. EVERY release should be a LONG TERM SUPPORT Release of at least 2 years or be a rolling release.
38 • Boot USB without BIOS support? Done. (by Somewhat Reticent on 2013-07-26 02:38:29 GMT from United States)
For the adamant, Hiren's BootCD includes the Plop boot manager in its many utilities, which facilitates chain-boot from USB without BIOS support. Of course, a BIOS update might mitigate this. Or a custom BIOS upgrade. Or swapping in a motherboard upgrade. In rare cases, adding a circuit or two.
I agree some software is too bloated to perform well on older hardware. Perhaps that would adjust a client's definition of a "GOOD" distro? Of course, even with the most efficient OS, there's also data bloat (like on the www).
I agree support is a factor that must be considered with any ware; including documentation readability and navigability, packaging and compilation tools and options, API standards, backup/restore, ...
39 • i use floppy (by greg on 2013-07-26 08:30:48 GMT from Slovenia)
i use floppy disk with PLOP to boot old mashcines that can't boot directly from usb.
anyway i have single core with 2 GB ram. plan to upgrade to 4 GB. winXP runs quite fast. Kubutnu runs even faster. so there is no need to invest 300 or 400 EUR in new dekstop which might not even be that much faster than current one. i mean if current one performs well (watching movies, playing some older games. etc., web) there is no need to change it. before i planned to get a better CPU and increase ram to 8GB. but now they don't sell CPU with my socket anymore and DDR2 ram became expencive. oh well it will serve as long as it can and then hopefully some more as ifle server. the power usage is not that bad on this CPU.
40 • boot usb without bios support (by notsure on 2013-07-26 19:59:35 GMT from United States)
you can always install lilo/grub to the harddrive, then make an option to boot sda1 and sda2, if you're not talking about nomadic purposes
41 • Boot USB (by fernbap on 2013-07-26 20:48:41 GMT from Portugal)
I find the issue a bit out of the picture.
Most of those old machines, if not all, will boot from a CD/DVD driver. CD/DVD drivers are cheap, in fact as cheat as a 32 GB USB stick.
There is no reason why you wouldn't get a IDE DVD drive, burn an image and boot from the DVD in order to install a Linux distro. You can even remove the DVD drive afterwards in order to use it on another old box.
Discussing how to boot from UŜB? Or even from a floppy? Really? On which world are you living?
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|• Issue 687 (2016-11-14): NAS4Free 10.3.0.3, Fedora gains MP3 playback, budgie-remix becomes Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu flavours compared, Rolling release trial #2|
|• Issue 686 (2016-11-07): FreeBSD 11.0, rolling release trial #2, Debian announces supported architectures, Simplicity switching to antiX base, farewell to Mythbuntu|
|• Issue 685 (2016-10-31): elementary OS 0.4, SUSE gains ARM support, Mint improves language support, Dirty COW explained, Rolling release trial #2|
|• Issue 684 (2016-10-24): Ubuntu 16.10, Linux popularity in different markets, Fedora runs on Raspberry Pi, Ubuntu features live kernel patching|
|• Issue 683 (2016-10-17): Refracta 8.0, making packages for distributions, Alpine switches to LibreSSL, 386BSD website publishes classic code|
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Chinese Linux Extension
CLE stands for Chinese GNU/Linux Extensions, it was a collection of Chinese related software on GNU/Linux platform. CLE was based on and optimised for the Red Hat Linux distribution. As with Red Hat, software was packaged in the RPM format. CLE also support other major distributions such as Slackware and Mandrake. You will get a complete Chinese (BIG5/GB) environment under Linux by installing CLE.