| DistroWatch Weekly
1 • DistroWatch database changes (by gio on 2013-04-01 09:16:10 GMT from Austria) |
25 Distros in the ranking list is way to much - why not reduce to 4 or 1 ?
2 • DistroWatch database changes? (by Björn on 2013-04-01 09:22:32 GMT from Sweden)
That was good! I almost forgot what date it is.
3 • Distrowatch Database Reduction (by Sekter on 2013-04-01 09:25:51 GMT from United States)
OMG! Cutting the list down from 746 to just 25 is a bit extreme, don't you think?!? There are several excellent distros between 25 and 100 on your current list. Just because a distro is not as popular as some others doesn't mean it doesn't have any worth. Wouldn't it be more reasonable and fair to keep it at 100? Certainly that would be far more manageable than 746 and still allow the rest of us to keep track of some other very worthwhile distributions.
4 • DistroWatch database changes (by musty on 2013-04-01 09:32:38 GMT from France)
In my opinion it is necessary to remove all these distros that are useless and add a great one : windows 8. With its revolutionary desktop and colored tiles ....
Ah! it is April 1st after all .....
5 • reducing the distro listing database (by meanpt on 2013-04-01 09:43:34 GMT from Portugal)
You couldn't have come with a better april's fool ... well, whatver suits you, that reference to kubuntu always brings nasty feelings :)
6 • DistroWatch database changes (by Fencemeister717 on 2013-04-01 09:44:12 GMT from United States)
Sounds like some kind of April Fools joke to me. I do believe that would piss off hundreds of developers and fans of those 746 flavors. Just sayin'
7 • Distrowatch Database Reduction (by Sekter on 2013-04-01 09:47:48 GMT from United States)
P.S. Distrowatch has been one of my all-time favorite websites over the years. I visit it frequently and really value the service it has been providing with its distribution listing, tracking, links and reviews. You have created and maintained an extremely valuable resource for many of us. I sincerely hope you do not take the extreme measures you have proposed. This would be as disappointing and depressing as Ubuntu's fork to Unity, Windows 8 (not to mention Windows!) going with a tablet interface on a desktop, etc. Please, please don't throw any babies out with the bathwater!
8 • Is DistroWatch a popularity contest? (by Alan D on 2013-04-01 09:52:58 GMT from United States)
Limiting the coverage of DistroWatch to the most popular 25 distros: this changes the game entirely. Usign Gentoo as an example, it has been able to thrive BECAUSE the developers do not care about winning popularity contests. Even though the newsletter and docs have fallen by the wayside, developers continue the important work of maintenance. To be a useful information source, DW needs to keep it's eye on the pulse of even unpopular distros.
Beyond the possibility that I would "vote with my feet," DW now becomes something less than a hub for information about all linux distros, or even the most important ones. Other possibilities should be explored:
- how much data is kept for each distro?
- which fields present the greatest burden to archive?
- what is the best measure, if any, of the importance of a distro? Activity WITHIN the distro would be a better indicator, but will actually require some effort to quantify.
Self fulfilling epithet?: It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. (Mark Twain)
9 • april db (by zykoda on 2013-04-01 09:55:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
Add MS, Apple, Google & Android and track just the top 5?
10 • Distrowatch Database (by dwatcher on 2013-04-01 10:01:10 GMT from New Zealand)
Relax ladies, its most likely a Aprils 1st joke. I doubt they would abandon distros like Gentoo. As Linus said, 'calm down, say ooooooooooo'
11 • Database Reduction Revisited (by SSofS on 2013-04-01 10:05:27 GMT from United States)
Reducing the database sounds like a good idea. Its already a headache trying to figure out which distro is right for you out of hundreds. I'm not saying only have a hand full of distros in the database, but weed out the number to at least a hundred, maybe just seventy-five. I am serious about this. Now for an Aprils Foots joke. Here it is. Get it? I don't have any April Fools joke, and that is the joke! As long as you are looking, you are falling for it since it doesn't exist! Gotcha!I was serious, though about the database reduction, of course. Cut it down below one hundred.
12 • GhostBSD (by joji on 2013-04-01 10:12:52 GMT from Belgium)
Thank you for review.
"The GhostBSD project has two primary goals - security and usability"
Have some questions about "usability". My Wireless network is not recognized. Mounting an ext4 linux partition is not possible. Mounting an ext2 linux partition is only possible as Read Only. It's a pity.
Agree the choice of programs is not bad. And it looks nice ...
13 • GhostBSD (by mechanic on 2013-04-01 10:12:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
I thought giving GhostBSD an award was the April Fool joke! Seriously, Eric T. is doing a fine job but needs more people to support the project. As it is, on my machine I even had to hand tailor the xorg.config file to get X up. And FreeBSD - the packaging/ports situation for version 9.1 has taken far too long to resolve.
Stay well clear.
14 • DW database (by Spatch on 2013-04-01 10:14:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
Presently consulting my ladyfriend, Avril Premiere about your proposed changes. Notwithstanding, PHR provides a permanent 1.4 (US: 4.1) date with destiny when one sees such travesties as Mageia listing at No.2 or 3. Who's foolin' who?!
15 • Reducing the Database (by tdockery97 on 2013-04-01 10:31:20 GMT from United States)
As usual, DistroWatch carries one of the top April 1 items online. It's nice that even the lesser distros can at least claim to be in the top 746.
16 • DW Database Changes (by PaperTiger on 2013-04-01 10:34:21 GMT from Antigua and Barbuda)
Remember, as part of the top 25 distros, we MUST include DOS and Winblows 3.1.... and for the pièce de résistance, let us ensure that we cook the numbers in such a way that LinuxMint just happens to fall outside of the top 25..... :D Happy April 1!!! :D
17 • April Fools! Woo-Hoo! (by DavidEF on 2013-04-01 10:48:48 GMT from United States)
That was an awesome April Fools' Day message! The really funny part is, there will be some people who think it actually is a good idea to cut it down to "25 flavours". In fact, I've seen people seriously suggest fewer than that! I'm sure glad we have wiser souls in charge here!
Happy April 1st!
@15 "It's nice that even the lesser distros can at least claim to be in the top 746." - I can hear it now "I'm number 746, oops, a new one is born, I'm number 747, oops..."
18 • 25 distributions... (by darren stewart on 2013-04-01 10:48:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
The website and editors are wrong. The websites interest comes from the diversity its shown. I person drop in to see what is new in the distro's. If you stop covering new things, then whats the point. Trust me, I can go find info on the top 25 easily. I don't need you for this.
I believe you should have at least the top 100.
Anyway, thats my input
19 • DW database changes (by Omari on 2013-04-01 11:47:37 GMT from United States)
You only had 746 distributions? I thought there were that many Ubuntu derivations.
20 • Distrowatch changes (by Robert on 2013-04-01 11:49:49 GMT from Germany)
"These distributions are clearly not very popular, so why bother?...."
For example RedHat is not popular?! Your database just shows how many users click on names "on your website".Distrowatch is not the world of linux... But you can change it cuz we know which distro works right. I think for Ladislav just Ubuntu and some derivations are enough.
21 • Just a few (by Troy Banther on 2013-04-01 12:00:42 GMT from United States)
Just whittle it down to one distribution. Debian GNU/Linux. ;-}
22 • DistroWatch Weekly (by dragonmouth on 2013-04-01 12:09:12 GMT from United States)
Is anything in this week's DW Weekly on the level? Or is everything a joke?
23 • 25 distro limit. (by js on 2013-04-01 12:35:35 GMT from Australia)
Don't limit it to 25. Just get rid of anything that runs unity or Gnome 3.
24 • 746 distros (by GM on 2013-04-01 12:48:33 GMT from Greece)
Actually, I'd love to develop the 747th distro. Needless to say I'd call it Jumbo Jet Linux, and hope noone would mind the use of the name ;).
25 • DTAUMAD Notice (by fewt on 2013-04-01 12:49:01 GMT from United States)
My name is Andrew Wyatt and I am the Founder of Fuduntu. A website that your company hosts (according to WHOIS information) made a joke containing a reference to at least one product owned by my company.
The original ARTICLE, to which we found extremely funny, can be found at:
This letter is official notification under Section 640(k) of the Digital Trololo Act (”DTAUMAD”), and I seek the addition of more comedic material to your servers, beginning April 1 2014. I also request that you immediately joke about this notice, inform your guests of their duty to laugh at the material immediately, and notify them to cease any further posting of material that implies they don't "get it".
Please also be advised that the internet requires you, as the joke provider, to hee and to haw over this notice upon receiving this notice.
I am providing this notice in good faith and with the reasonable belief that the joke is being laughed at appropriately. Under penalty of failed trololo I certify that the information contained in the notification is both true and accurate, and I have the authority to act on behalf of the owner of the product(s) involved.
Should you wish to discuss this with me please feel free to reply.
26 • OpenSUSE Xfce Live Rescue CD (by cba on 2013-04-01 12:57:10 GMT from Germany)
It is a pity that this Xfce Rescue CD comes without an installer, because openSUSE provides only official KDE4 and Gnome3 live install media.
But you only have to install the yast2-live-installer package during your Live CD session for installing this CD as "normal openSUSE" to your hard disk, this pulls in dependencies of only around 25 MB of software packages. After that, the Live-Installer is available from the “Miscellaneous” section in Yast, also in text mode via yast2-ncurses. So a hard disk install from this Xfce CD is possible and it costs only a few additional MB on this ~ 550MB Live CD.
This Xfce Live CD is also not available in SuseStudio, so it is not possible to fix this missing installer bug the easy way. This is indeed a bug for people who wish to use another desktop than KDE4 or Gnome3. It is far better to download an 550 to 600 MB Live CD than a huge 4,4GB DVD image if you want to use Xfce, LXDE or E17 as your main openSUSE desktop. And the needed Live CD is there, but it is called Rescue CD and does not allow a hard disk install at the moment.
27 • April Fool's Day (by Bewbies on 2013-04-01 13:00:45 GMT from United States)
I immediately laughed at Distrowatch's suggestion at the Top 25 list today. It might go over some people's heads that it's a joke in honor of April Fool's Day. Nonetheless, it was a clever one. Thanks for the chuckle. :)
28 • distros that don't work (by Jamie LaRue on 2013-04-01 13:07:53 GMT from United States)
OK, I got it. On the other hand, you lead with TWO distros that cannot be installed to computers. I suppose that it's true: you can demonstrate something to somebody kind of how Linux works. But should you demonstrate something that if they LIKE it, DOESN'T work as an install?
So hmm. Maybe a little whittling down isn't a BAD idea.
29 • Database changes (by FormerDistroHopper on 2013-04-01 13:15:48 GMT from Germany)
Nice April 1st. Kubuntu, Gentoo, Redhat "clearly unpopular" was the thing that reminded me what date it is. At least you haven't lost your sense of humour over all the hard work. Maybe the next distrowatch.com donation should go to distrowatch.com.
30 • Happy All Fools Day! (by TransformHumanity on 2013-04-01 13:31:27 GMT from India)
Ha ha ha!
31 • Hahaha! (by Black7 on 2013-04-01 13:42:51 GMT from United States)
This sounded WAY too inflammatory to be real,... then I remembered the date today. Haha! Nice one!
32 • April 1 (by greenpossum on 2013-04-01 13:46:12 GMT from Australia)
The problem with April 1 jokes is that with timezones, netizens who start this day earlier have already been sensitised to the hoaxes so they don't make much impact; in fact here it's already April 2. Unlike Earth Hour where you can have a series of events as the clock reaches 2030 in each timezone.
So perhaps we should get WWW.org to promulgate an April Fools' 24-hours which would be the same all over the globe. Oh well, that's my lame attempt at an April 1 joke, oops, I mean an April 2 joke.
33 • Distro monitoring (by Giorgos V on 2013-04-01 13:47:50 GMT from Greece)
Personaly ai prefer this site because i can find allmost all the linux distro. This is your power...that i can try ANY distro.
Don't turn off monitoring please.
34 • @28 (by greenpossum on 2013-04-01 13:51:19 GMT from Australia)
Well, nowhere is it written that a distro has to install to hard disk. That spurious requirement would exclude lots of useful distros like SystemRescueCD, Knoppix, and so forth. But if a distro is advertised to run live and also offer an install to HD, that would simply be a bug.
35 • @26 openSUSE rescue CD (by greenpossum on 2013-04-01 13:56:27 GMT from Australia)
That's what the Net Install ISO is for. You can use as starting point to pull down the mix of packages you want.
36 • Database Changes (by Josh on 2013-04-01 14:07:14 GMT from United States)
I'm going to miss being able to get a quick idea of what these less popular distros are about--high profile packages included, release history, etc. I've yet to find another resource that provides a simple table with that information for so many distros.
Surely that information can't be taking up all that much space, and I see no harm in requiring the community at large to contribute such information so as to take the load off of the site administrators. If a distro is not updated in N months, mark it as stale; if a distro is stale for M months, archive it and disallow further modifications. Manage this stuff with cronjobs. Easy enough, no?
37 • @35 (by cba on 2013-04-01 14:11:42 GMT from Germany)
The Netinstall.iso does not contain a functional desktop and is not suitable if you have three or four computers in your house you want to install openSUSE to.
38 • Wakeup Call (by RacerX29er on 2013-04-01 14:13:31 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the calendar reminder. Nicely done.
39 • database change... (by virt-man on 2013-04-01 14:14:29 GMT from United States)
lol... thats too funny... i love you distrowatch, and i visit this website multiple times a day ... i would be a shame if you were seriously considering doing this transition, but with it being april 1st, we will just have to wait and see, wont we :)
40 • aprill fool (by Tonny on 2013-04-01 15:09:31 GMT from Indonesia)
Haha.. Good one. Almost fooled :)
41 • Re: DTAUMAD Notice (by tdockery97 on 2013-04-01 15:21:34 GMT from United States)
Loved the response Andrew. :)
42 • April Fools (by Trevor on 2013-04-01 15:27:03 GMT from United States)
Me and my fellow workers at the IT help desk got a good laugh out of this, and then agreed that instead you should have posted a major announcement about switching to tracking just Windows distributions.
43 • DistroWatch database changes (by Kevin on 2013-04-01 15:27:43 GMT from United States)
How about you just remove all the distrolets (most often Ubuntu-based)? That would cut down the list but still keep independents such as Gentoo and whatnot.
44 • Here's an actual good idea... make it 50distros + weblinks? (by Brad on 2013-04-01 15:53:35 GMT from United States)
Just keep the top 50 the way it looks NOW.. and from 51-xxx just have a click'able link that takes you to their homepage.. just a thought.. i'm sure that'll cut down on work/traffic, etc..
45 • HOUSEKEEPING NEEDED (by Fabio on 2013-04-01 15:56:01 GMT from United States)
it's obviously an April Fools joke, however there is a point here: too many buntus!!! remaster a distro from Ubuntu, add gimp and call it GIMPUNTU it's not a distro, I'm sorry..
SO YES, CLEAN UP!!!
46 • Good April 1st joke, but it is a serious problem (by WildCard on 2013-04-01 16:25:02 GMT from United States)
First of all, I get that going for 746 to 25 distros is an April 1st joke. But I also think it identifies a common problem for getting new people to try Linux: which distro do they start with? A lot of times, that answer will be based on their hardware. I would love to see some kind of app where the user can answer some specific questions about their system (memory, CPU type and speed, graphics, etc) and get a list of recommended Linux distros to try that should work on their hardware. I have an older laptop (pre-PAE CPU, 512 MB) so it is hard to find distros that will run on it (even most Puppy distros require a PAE-compatible processor). I know such an app would be hard to maintain, but it would be a good starting point for newcomers, or people like myself trying to keep older hardware going.
47 • Watching the distros (by David McCann on 2013-04-01 16:29:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
Oops! I actually got taken in for all of 30 seconds! People who don't have April Fools' Day (Latin America?) must have been really shocked.
But it got me thinking as to what could and could not be profitably dropped from a list of Linuxes.
3 best outside the top hundred: Doudou, SalineOS, Swift
3 most pointless in the top 25: Arch, OS4, Ubuntu
48 • GhostBSD (by Frank Edwards on 2013-04-01 16:31:36 GMT from United States)
Looking at the GhostBSD website, there are so many grammatical errors and misspellings it is absolutely laughable. At first, I thought, perhaps that the developers were non-native English speakers, but that doesn't seem to be the case either.
It really makes the entire project look amateurish. At least run your stuff through some application that has a *basic* spellchecker before publishing it for general consumption.
No wonder the installer doesn't work.
The project lead and "lead developer" lists his occupation as working at Kent Building Supplies as a loader/picker, which I also find amusing. An Operating System being developed by a warehouse worker who can't spell or have basic command of english grammar.
Sure, that's exactly what I want to trust my systems with O.o
49 • Database changes (by FormerDistroHopper on 2013-04-01 16:49:53 GMT from Germany)
As we're at it, why not permanently ban all distros in the top 100 so the other distros got a better chance? The top 100 are already known well enough, right..
50 • Distro ranking (by tuxtest on 2013-04-01 16:56:55 GMT from Canada)
Too bad this is a joke of April 1. Good joke But !
It was a good idea to reduce the number of Distro. * Just Baby Buntu mostly useless and harmful to me * reduce by 30% the number of distro in the database. I think you should consider this avenue. It would also be possible to describe the derived distro without put in your ranking.
Review GhostBSD ! Well I have a same expérience with installeur.
The problem is that with BSD wifi support is poor. The mounting partition in ext4 is absent. auto mount, unmount the USB flash drive is problematic. They have a lot of work up to do just to be a level of basic functions in comparaison at Linux system.
best regard at all.
Besides the support material! Ouff they are still far behind.
51 • Re: Frank Edwards (by jigoku on 2013-04-01 17:01:00 GMT from United Kingdom)
I believe the lead developer's native language isn't english. Having said that, why does it matter what somebody's occupation is? Who ever said a project leader has to be sitting in a full time Computing/IT job???
I think you'll find most open-source developers write software and organize projects in their spare time as opposed to being involved in software full-time.
But hey, rather than moaning and judging others like a spoiled child, why not offer some help and suggest to them what you think could be improved. If you find it laughable and amusing, maybe you should post what you do for a living and what you have achieved in your spare time.
52 • GhostBSD (by Jesse on 2013-04-01 17:07:14 GMT from Canada)
>> "At first, I thought, perhaps that the developers were non-native English speakers, but that doesn't seem to be the case either."
I spoke with Eric Turgeon when GhostBSD first came out and, if I recall correctly, his native language is French. I'm not certain, but I think the web developer for the project, Mr Toussaint is also French. Lots of open source projects are developed by people who don't use English as a first language and rely on rough translations to cater to others. Considering post 48 also contains spelling and grammar mistakes I would be careful about throwing stones.
>> "The project lead and "lead developer" lists his occupation as working at Kent Building Supplies as a loader/picker, which I also find amusing.
How is that amusing? One's day job doesn't affect their abilities. Einstein worked as a patent clerk. GhostBSD certainly isn't perfect, but there is an unfortunate lack of high quality FreeBSD live discs available. I'm happy to see someone take the lead on this.
53 • Back to Ubuntu (by Joey on 2013-04-01 17:18:55 GMT from Canada)
I took a break from Ubuntu to check out Fedora for a year or so. It was nice to make the change. However, I then started using Windows 8, which looks BEAUTIFUL - but it is the least intuitive operating system I've used in years. Between the two interfaces and logout/shutdown buttons sometimes on the upper right, sometimes on lower right, I kept clicking the wrong things and looking in the wrong places to do what I wanted. Now I'm using Ubuntu 12.10 and it is very nearly the perfect operating system.
Thanks to Distrowatch for providing reviews and updates and helping distrohoppers scratch that itch! Now I've found something I think I'll stick with for a while, but I'll still read about the others. (By the way, I was expecting the worst with Unity after reading the comments here every week for so long, but it must have come a long way - I'm loving it.)
54 • Distrowatch database changes (by Nuno Trindade on 2013-04-01 17:38:23 GMT from Europe)
55 • Database destruction?? (by nameless on 2013-04-01 18:11:27 GMT from United States)
I would have suggested you start by dropping the discontinued distros. I can understand trimming that. You might also not keep full data on anything below the top 50 or 100, or change the criteria for moving from the waiting list to the database (I would wait for them to send you information about a second release, at minimum -- this would disqualify Stella, Madbox, and Rebellin, for starters), or limit the package information to recent releases or only the default 52 packages or both. I come to DW because it is the premier distro release news portal. If you limit yourself to the top 25 distros, the usefulness of the site will be SEVERELY curtailed....
Oh. Never mind. I'll just cop to demonstrating the latter part of your posting advice.
56 • DistroWatch database changes (by Miguel Angel Da Vila on 2013-04-01 18:21:43 GMT from Mexico)
Unless this article is the result of April's fools and although the issue has a logic undeniable, since keeping many distributions creates confusion and misinformation, very important item hidden in the article, especially because many of them are repetitive featured with some customization (*buntuSomething), then be abandoned. It remains unfinished business, distrowatch.com is an invaluable source of information and reference for finding high value specialized distributions, although with few reports of popularity, as FreeNAS, Clonezilla and Parted Magic.
Then, "April fools" apart, distrowatch.com could be more selective and maintain a selected list (already there as Top Ten Distributions, but is secondary), based on criteria beyound a popularity rank.
57 • @ 48 • GhostBSD you are so wrong (by mandog on 2013-04-01 18:30:51 GMT from Peru)
Eric Turgeon Project leader at GhostBSD, New Brunswick, Canada
He works At Kent Building Supplies In Canada And Is French speaking,
So a French Canadian is put down for his bad English,
He Says in his blog english translation is now been passed to A English speaking person, As it has been a problem in the past.
If that is a problem may I suggest you learn French then come back and comment.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt. (Mark Twain)
58 • Distro Database (by radrick on 2013-04-01 18:36:30 GMT from Canada)
I think this is a April Fool's joke!
I do recognize that over 700 distros is a lot, but 25? This would just make way for somebody else to become the premier website for Linux info. instead of Distrowatch.
If the reduction is really necessary may be 50 would be a better number.
59 • That's right, starting today, all superfluous distributions will be removed ... (by Luca Marcante on 2013-04-01 19:16:51 GMT from Italy)
According to me 'wrong .... I recommend instead of creating dellacartelle mothers with all the sottoradici derived Linux .... example ... Debian-Ubuntu-Lubuntu-kubuntu-caine-etc etc
I made the Idea?
60 • All those distros and window managers (by Ben Myers on 2013-04-01 19:36:13 GMT from United States)
I can best classify myself as a casual Linux user, setting up and using occasional systems and using various live distros for testing. I have a different perspective than most of you. I keep asking why Linux has not achieved a greater desktop market share, despite its rich and varied collection of great software applications. One answer is the brainwashing of the general public done by the Microsoft hegemon. The other answer is a question: Which Linux distro and which window manager? To put it differently, there are way too many general purpose Linux distros. It's like the Tower of Babel. Until that changes or something else in the world software ecosystem becomes very different, Linux is destined to be a marginal player on the desktop.
Go ahead and flame me, but that's the reality... Ben
61 • database (by forlin on 2013-04-01 19:37:48 GMT from Portugal)
If you are planning some change for next year, maybe you could place in the first page 100 distros from the waiting list. Just to try to pull some rabbits out of the hat.
62 • 746 (by Ron on 2013-04-01 20:08:42 GMT from United States)
"this site's database has swollen to a whopping 746 free operating systems and is growing every week! Clearly, this is unsustainable"
What's the sense of having a database that has trouble handling 746 entries?
There's a great one out there called DBASE III. Give it a try!
63 • Database of distros. (by Chas on 2013-04-01 20:24:31 GMT from United States)
While I agree that it may be time to cut down the size of the total distros tracked at DistroWatch, I wish there were some way to track a small list of distros who's main function is repair/recovery/cloning etc. I think there is sufficient interest in that area to warrant it.
64 • Database and a side commnet (by DonM on 2013-04-01 20:32:50 GMT from United States)
As to your database cutdown, I agree with the premise, but think 25 is to severe. I would opt for perhaps 50. Looking for one I can live with I've installed and rejected well over 30 in just the last six months.
As a side comment, I wish your reviews would always at least mention supported mail readers for a distro. I favor Evolution as much for it's calendar as it's mail function, and it's rarely mentioned as to whether it's even supported or not. And who of us can live without some E-Mail funtion.
65 • Database changes (by Mel D. on 2013-04-01 20:39:52 GMT from United States)
Several of my favorite distributions are ranked well after 25. Many special purpose distros are also in this category.
66 • Because the list of active distributions isn't crowded enough (by :wq on 2013-04-01 21:34:19 GMT from United States)
BU Linux (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=bulinux), SymphonyOS (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Symphony), AnNyung Linux (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=annyung), and Truva Linux (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=truva) are showing some signs of life on their respective websites; with ongoing development and some with relatively new releases (within the last year).
67 • @ 55 (by :wq on 2013-04-01 21:49:37 GMT from United States)
I like discontinued distros remaining for historical record (as well as old "news and updates" and past DWW issues). And some of those discontinued distros are only 'mostly dead'. There's a big difference between 'mostly dead' and 'all dead'.
68 • But seriously folks ... (by John C. Gage on 2013-04-01 22:18:19 GMT from United States)
I have to hand it to DistroWatch. A lot of people don't understand how much is involved. But, it is very hard to have so many listings and keep up on them all. Kudos DistroWatch. Keep it going!
69 • distros tracked (by Anonymous Coward on 2013-04-01 22:36:18 GMT from United States)
To be fair, there are probably some non-western countries where April Fool's Day isn't a well-known custom.
As for the rest of this week's content, aside from the "down to 25" part, it's hard to tell which articles are jokes and which aren't.
- the advantage of Oracle Linux: that is a joke right?
- Ghost (or any other) BSD.... ?
- Haiku : "Then I will have enough packages to complete the work on libsolv and the dependency solving." Okey-dokey
70 • HAHA!! Thanks Distrowatch for making me laugh this morning! (by Vic on 2013-04-01 23:48:27 GMT from Canada)
Beautifully played April 1st joke in the news for this week. You had me for the first couple sentences until I started thinking about what I was reading in light of today's date. Brightened my otherwise dull Monday morning. Which of course you guys do quite well each Monday morning anyways. Thanks, and a Happy Belated 500th +1 issue, glad you guys are here!
Quick question, I don't have time to find a more suitable forum to ask it in. Has anyone here replaced a 32-bit distro with a fresh install of the identical 64-bit distro set up exactly the same and been able to reuse the existing home partition, tweaked user accounts/settings and all, with out issues? I'm pressed for time and I would like to switch someone up to 64-bit Xubuntu LTS from the 32-bit version without the changing the user experience on their end. If it ends up too much of a PITA to pull off quickly I'm not going to bother until I can put more time into it.
Thanks Distrowatch team for all your work, and to all commenters who help enrich the read with open dialogue, and lastly to anyone who responds to my question.
71 • @26 OpenSUSE Rescue CD (by RayRay on 2013-04-02 01:52:11 GMT from United States)
Loading the OpenSUSE installer is easy to use. Once your live session is up you can open a terminal as su do
zypper install yast2-live-installer.
or you can open the software installer and search for yast2-live-installer, and install it.
I installed it on an old pentium III, it's a very basic configuration but you can add on just what you really need. I have a nice looking desktop with little effort and no unecessary programs.
72 • @26 Live Installer (by RayRay on 2013-04-02 01:58:44 GMT from United States)
Sorry I didn't read your whole post . I was playing around with the server install to use either XFCE or E17 but with the Rescue CD is much easier.
73 • Please keep monitoring PC-BSD (by Graham Todd on 2013-04-02 10:36:32 GMT from Anonymous Proxy)
I note that you are going to exclude some distributions from future monitoring, and one distribution is PC-BSD. Please keep it in your monitoring.
I do appreciate that monitoring so many distributions may be an onerous task, but there are few BSD distributions, and PC-BSD is the one that BSD Magazine uses for its examples, so not knowing anything about it and where to get it it is a real problem.
BSD in general has a much lower profile than Linux, so cutting ANY BSD distributions rather than Linux would be a less-than-welcome step, even if it has fewer hits on your site.
So please do NOT cut PC-BSD.
74 • DistroWatch database changes (by Leo on 2013-04-02 12:21:11 GMT from United States)
"Red Hat Enterprise Linux" is not popular enough to be included into ranking?
You must be kidding me!! It is the most popular commercial Linux distribution. Shrinking the database by factor of 30 from 746 to 25 entries is silly.
May I offer a compromise -- limit it to 100 most popular distributions.
75 • Ranking page (by Russ Delo on 2013-04-02 15:02:57 GMT from United States)
Are you going to still have a list of all active distributions with the change to tracking just the top 25 distributions?
76 • You guys are bad at this (by Nate on 2013-04-02 16:46:55 GMT from United States)
Look at the statement. Look at the date. Now look back at the statement. You're welcome.
77 • Database changes (by Ika on 2013-04-02 17:37:27 GMT from Spain)
I agree it have to be made a “clean-up”. Too many entries, a lot of (re)spins not offering nothing but cosmetics, much of them non-functional and useless.
In my opinion, this is good. Why should Jesse (or anybody else) spend/loose precious time in vain?
Nevertheless. only 25 entries?!... This isn’t enough at all!...
Maybe 50 at least... Andthe remaining ones in a separate table in no special order as alphabetically. And linked to their homepage.
Though, here may be raised some questions:
- How will be done the refreshing of this Top 25 (or 50)?
- What about not desktop oriented distros,as servers, forensic, safety?...
- What about releases that are not distros, as rescue, partition etc?
More: the top 25 (or 50) should include ALL:
- Independents. All of them - big or small ones. As small as a distros are, it have to stay in top. For instance MINIX, Haiku, or the recently announced Kolibri deserves more a place in this top, much more, than, say, the big danger sudo based U (together with his satelites).
These distros, as small as they are, are doing something new, personal, innovative..
- Forks that became independents (Fuduntu, PCLOS, Mageia...).
- “Based on” that can be quoted as “distributions” because they have at least their own repositories, like Sabayon for instance.
Now, one thousand entries (or two, three thousands) is not a big deal for a DB. So, if a clean-up have to be made, than it should be done carefully IMHO.
78 • @72; openSUSE Xfce Rescue Live CD (by cba on 2013-04-02 18:07:48 GMT from Germany)
In my opinion, the best thing with this Xfce Live CD is that the theme is "right", everything is in place artwork-wise. There are no icons missing, Xfce looks like being born as "natural" openSUSE desktop, nothing looks unprofessional. If you try to achieve this e.g. via SuseStudio by starting with the JeOS or the no-gui server template, you need a long, long time before Xfce looks like being usable - with strong focus on the used theme, icons and artwork. Repairing this initial bad look is a horrible thing to do and very time-consuming.
Moreover, with this Xfce Live CD udisks and Xfce session-managing works out of the box. If you try to build an Xfce Live CD by means of SuseStudio it is possible to "forget" e.g. udisks and logging-out of Xfce provides a nasty error, because session managing does not work as expected.
Maybe - in the near future - I would like to punish and tantalize myself and then I will try to clone this Xfce Live CD program package for program package into SuseStudio, by hand if necessary. Hopefully there might be another way to accomplish this.
79 • RE: DistroWatch database changes... Tracking only top 25 distro's (by Disapointed on 2013-04-02 22:13:26 GMT from United States)
No more distro tracking?! Just the top 25?!!!
Let me see if I understand this correctly. This web site named "distro WATCH" will no longer watch any more distros other than the top 25?
I understand the idiocy with some fly-by-night distros that seem to be glued together in someone's garage/basement or even distro's like GhostBSD which won't even install (which I found to be problematic even with #2 ranked Mageia). But is that any reason to stop "watching" distro's that are actively supported?
Whenever DW finds a pathetic distro that seems to be someone's half baked idea (like the infamous Satanic Ubuntu), or even a distro that won't work then I would agree to drop them especially if there's no support. But to stop tracking good supported distros like OpenELEC, Pinguy, MEPIS, or even Solaris seems to be a very foolish move simply because they might not make that top 25 list in popularity -- or might not even be free. Forget also JoliOS, Macpup or even SUSE too, right? I say, wrong! Please reconsider and at least track anything that makes DW's front page top 100 list. After all, they're "popular" for a reason.
80 • um... (by :wq on 2013-04-02 22:55:48 GMT from United States)
Just to reiterate what comment #76 was trying to point out- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_Fools'_Day
81 • Please do the top 100, not the top 25. (by J on 2013-04-03 03:11:28 GMT from United States)
Please limit the list of distributions to the top 100. The top 25 is _WAY_ too short.
82 • Top 25 distributions? (by Thomas Mueller on 2013-04-03 04:51:44 GMT from United States)
I gather this was an April Fools' joke, but how would you determine which are the top 25 distros now, and then again tomorrow and in the future? Page Hit Rankings are not constant over time. If this were for real, I would surely stop visiting distrowatch.com ; it would be useless to me! Some of the distributions, even if not the most popular, have special purposes such as a favorable environment for building packages from source (such as FreeBSD ports and NetBSD pkgsrc,), or booting from CD/DVD or USB stick for system rescue, or working on old computers, or maybe helping with Wi-Fi, etc.; good to see how different distros do things such as building from source even if T2, Source Mage, Lunar and Sorcerer are not among the most popular. Then the Page Hit Rankings only tell about who accessed the distrowatch.com page and not about visits to the OS's or distro's own web site, hence only a *very* rough indicator of relative popularity.
83 • Fornesic distributions (by Pearson on 2013-04-03 17:30:28 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the info on Forensics in Linux. I think this could be useful for anyone trying to track down problems, not just for legal reasons.
84 • Ubuntu 12.04... (by Chanath on 2013-04-03 21:59:46 GMT from Sri Lanka)
After getting rid of the sidebar of Unity, and with only the dash working, and additionally introducing Slingshot old & new, and making quite a few clones of Ubuntu, I simply lost interest in distro hopping, and even making new clones of Ubuntu. I had cloned from major flavours of Linux OSs, now the interest is gone. Its not a big deal to take Ubuntu 12.04...and make Zorin OS 6, or Mint 14 or Pinguy or Elementary OS. The newer Ubuntus don't work well with its own base, Compiz, still the best is 12.04...
Right now, I am awaiting Ikey's Solus OS 2 final, rather than Ubuntu 14.04 LTS.
85 • April Fool's Joke? (by Don Granger on 2013-04-03 22:00:41 GMT from United States)
My jaw dropped when I read your lead story about cutting back the number of distros monitored by DistroWatch to 25. This would probably mean the sure quick demise of many smaller distro projects, as the exposure on your site provides an easy way to review and try new distributions.
If DistroWatch doesn't perform this function, who will?
Say it ain't so. Say it's just a bad dream or an April Fool's Joke.
86 • Database Changes (by GR on 2013-04-03 22:29:28 GMT from Canada)
I, for one, applaud the effort that has put into this endeavor over the years, but as you so rightly conclude, over 700 distros to track is way to much. I see much wisdom in your decision and I hope all your other readers will as well. Thank you for years of hard work; I hope you will enjoy the extra time this may bring you.
PS I love the Twain Quote
87 • Only 25 flavour of ice cream and Linux? (by Bill Lee on 2013-04-04 01:24:48 GMT from Canada)
518 flavours here, including durian (sealed, kept separate)
88 • Distibutions Watched (by H Annen on 2013-04-04 03:38:44 GMT from United States)
I appreciate why you feel it is necessary to reduce the number of watched/reported distros. However, what provisions have been made to allow the 'top 25' list to change? Are you going to keep the same 25 distros even if one has become so unpopular that it really isn't in the top 25 of available distros? Probably not, so how are you going to decide when to add/remove a distro from the list of 25? Monthly/Quarterly polling? Just something to think about.
89 • Bodhi linux (by Chanath on 2013-04-04 03:56:08 GMT from Sri Lanka)
What's remarkable in Bodhi Linux is its minimalism and its responsiveness. I don't fancy E17--not very easy on the eyes--but, I can very easily make a fast distro out of it with Gnome classic, and even add Slingshot New or Old to it, then add the apps I need, and get a very nice respin.
90 • @89 E17 not very easy on the eyes (by meanpt on 2013-04-04 10:57:07 GMT from Portugal)
Why do you say that? I'm sure that's not because of the DE font's size, right?
91 • @90 E17 not easy on the eyes. (by Chanath on 2013-04-04 12:14:23 GMT from Sri Lanka)
No, it is not because of the font size, as fonts can be made bigger. My eyes get tired with E17 and I cannot pinpoint the problem, but after a while it becomes a problem. Bodhi Linux is a very good minimalist distro to make anything out of it. I like the way Jeff had stripped Ubuntu.
92 • GhostBSD (by Dave Postles on 2013-04-04 18:32:09 GMT from United Kingdom)
It was fine in its previous incarnations, but obviously there are a few bugs in the upgrading. The previous artwork was rather fine too, although I replaced it with my own wallpaper, as I tend to do. Cairo-dock also worked well in the earlier versions. I hope that the team persists.
93 • cut down the number of distributions tracked by your database (by Mohammed on 2013-04-04 19:38:18 GMT from India)
Sir there are many distributions that are not popular but they are very helpful in certain tasks like gentoo it provides latest software, Kaali its a distribution known for its security.
I would suggest you to rank all the active distributions.
94 • Really? (by Phil on 2013-04-05 07:02:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
I'm just stunned that so many people fell for this April Fool's joke and despite there being some clear references to it in the comments people still are! I didn't realise that this wasn't "celebrated" everywhere and seems to be way over the heads of some posters.
I love DW by the way!
95 • 746 to just 25 (by rititi on 2013-04-05 11:47:08 GMT from France)
i know i'm late but it's just an april fool?
96 • Yes, it is an April Fool joke (by Fairly Reticent on 2013-04-05 17:40:13 GMT from United States)
Mostly. As always, such a joke must start with a grain of truth ... and like feline predators, some love to bat a subject about. And others (especially trolls) like to simulate the credulous.
97 • Linux market share = 1.17 % ?? (by gregzeng on 2013-04-06 02:11:17 GMT from Australia)
This topic is much discussed here, especially regarding Dw stats. Just now reading:
Operating System Market Share
which was pointed from: http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/05/googles-blink-engine-hints-at-more-streamlined-chrome/ - discussion about Google's Blink fork, and the affects on web browsers, developers & indirectly, Linux designers (Webkit, KHTML, etc).
98 • remove distros (by imnotrich on 2013-04-06 21:59:48 GMT from Mexico)
I know there's a bit of April Fools joke going on...but I'm kinda serious.
Why don't we delete all distros from the list that have poor wireless support?
That would eliminate all the supposed favorites like Mint, Ubuntu, Debian, Puppy. But what we'd have left are a list of distros that actually have their priorities straight.
99 • Re: #98 Remove Distros (by tdockery97 on 2013-04-06 22:48:14 GMT from United States)
I guess ALL distros should be removed then. There is not a distro in existence that there isn't at least someone who has had trouble with wireless. It all depends on your individual situation. I've never had wireless problems with any of those you mentioned. We should be grateful that there is enough variety for everyone to find one that works for them.
100 • Distro List (by mousegun on 2013-04-06 23:59:20 GMT from United States)
=================[ S H R E E K ! ]=================
oh. it's a joke. never mind.
101 • Wikipedia entry for Distrowatch outdated now. (by gregzeng on 2013-04-07 03:19:26 GMT from Australia)
Wikipedia is having a outflow of editors, including myself. Their governance IMO discourages volunteer experts who are not strugging in the sheltered workshops called "education institution".
Distrowatch: "This article relies on references to primary sources. Please add references to secondary or tertiary sources. (May 2010)"
The sample graphic is 4 years old, so nothing has changed in 4 years?
"DistroWatch is a website which provides news, popularity rankings, and other general information" ... so this comment section, the newsletters, podcast listing do not exist?
The last edit to their entry was 6 mths ago. If you know someone who has not been attacked by Wikipedia management, perhaps you might entice them to update the Distrowatch entry.
102 • KDE ... rubbish, to be eliminated ?? (by gregzeng on 2013-04-07 11:34:15 GMT from Australia)
Wikipedia - "KWIN"
"The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for products and services. Please help to establish notability by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. If notability cannot be established, the article is likely to be merged, redirected, or deleted.
Find sources: "KWin" – news · books · scholar · JSTOR · free images (September 2012)"
So many big name Linux distros seem to be unreliable, un-"notable", according to the administrators of Wikipedia. Are they foreseeing the death of Distrowatch and its users? I hope not. I'm so fatigued - getting threatening emails from them: the "EXPERTS" on everything: dead, alive, half-dead and half-alive.
103 • Argh. (by Julian on 2013-04-07 13:36:41 GMT from United States)
You got me.
104 • 99 (by Imnotrich on 2013-04-07 23:43:27 GMT from Mexico)
You've never had a wireless problem with any of the distros I mentioned? Pray tell, what card are you using? I want to buy it! Or one like it. Realtek and Atheros do NOT work well with them. More accurately they just don't work at all.
I would agree we are lucky to have so many distros to choose from. What frustrates me is that I have to burn hundreds of CDs to find one that works with my common hardware...and I am still looking.
105 • RE: Wireless and distros (by rubberhose cryptography on 2013-04-08 02:44:44 GMT from United States)
"What frustrates me is that I have to burn hundreds of CDs to find one that works with my common hardware"
So you've never heard of LiveUSB and/or using VMs?
Cry me a river and give me 50% of the toll profits, Little John!
If LiveUSB and VMs didn't exist, the cost of blank CD/DVD media is at an all time low. There's also rewritable discs, too.
Welcome to the future of IT. Where have you been? :P
106 • (by The SIX fingered MAN! on 2013-04-08 04:26:19 GMT from Sweden)
@Imnotrich on 2013-04-07 23:43:27 GMT from Mexico:
You can spot many anti-linux, pro-microsoft shills by how stupid they post.
I don't believe you in the # of CDs you claim to burn, may as well just buy a brick wall and slam your head against it. However, let's say you're really telling us the truth. Why don't you turn your CD burning into a business? You're obviously skilled in burning Linux CDs, buy one of those machines which burn dozens upon dozens of discs per minute(s) and help spread Linux.
Or, you could just change your story because I don't believe it.
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