| DistroWatch Weekly
1 • Hi (by mika hack on 2008-01-07 12:26:56 GMT from Italy) |
have a nice 2008 everybody!!!
2 • Linpus Linux 9.4 "Lite" (by Steve on 2008-01-07 12:28:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
Is it just me, or does this little distro look exactly like the default 'easy mode' version of Xandros that comes with the Asus eee PC 701?
3 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 12:28:40 GMT from Canada)
Love the new pclinuxos minime - great base +synaptic , great for anyone looking to build their own system from nearly the ground up.
Dreamlinux 3 beta due this week
4 • Re 4: PCLinuxOS Minime (by davecs on 2008-01-07 12:40:24 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yes, this is a really good release (of course I am biased). A lot of work has been done to deal with some difficult wireless cards (using ndiswrapper) and other hardware.
Of course, Mini-Me comes with minimal software, so you have to add your own, and is thus recommended for more experienced users. It's been through 3 pre-releases with the Testers mailing list at PCLOS, and it's hoped that it's as ready as it can be. Any failings with particular hardware can be reported back to the PCLOS forum where there is a Mini-Me section. We want the hardware recognition and detection to be as good as it can be!
The boot up time is faster on my computer, even with loads of software added. It's a real pleasure to use.
5 • Crux (by anonymouse_CowHerd on 2008-01-07 13:02:00 GMT from United States)
what a sweet distro, it works great! i made a nice desktop/workstation using KDE and openoffce/koffce and Lyx & TeXmacs, it turned out so good that Slackware took a back seat and a distro has to be really great to do that since i been a huge fan of Slackware for years...
HappyTrails DistroWatchers :)
6 • Mandy (by Bob on 2008-01-07 13:02:04 GMT from Austria)
Tried most Linuxes on 7 laptops (Acer, HP, FSC, Sony) of various ages. Of course none would fully work as intended. Mandriva was the contender closest to succeed. In general: a new distro (even "unstable") and a lappy older than 12 months will probably outshine other combinations. Imho for stability, speed and CPU efficiency Win XP still remains unchallenged. So some homework is needed in 2008 to get us a Linux which is capable to handle a major proportion of available laptops.
7 • FreeNAS 0.686 and Debian 4.0r2. (by Joaquim Gil on 2008-01-07 13:11:02 GMT from Portugal)
FreeNAS 0.686 and Debian 4.0r2. They rock. What a great "Christmas Gift" :)
Already made an update from previous FreeNAS 0.68 to 0.686 in my two NAS servers and everything went smooth. What a nice and solid distro.
Kudos also to Debian 4.0r2. No need for more words. Simply the best Linux distro... ;)
Happy 2008 to everyone.
8 • Upcoming Releases: Next openSUSE Alphas (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 13:15:39 GMT from Germany)
Jan 17 openSUSE 11.0 Alpha 1
Feb 07 openSUSE 11.0 Alpha 2
March 18 openSUSE 11.0 Alpha 3
9 • LinuxQuestions.org Members Choice Awards is Now Open (by habakuk on 2008-01-07 13:18:35 GMT from Finland)
"Before the voting starts, feel free to post your nominations or other suggestions into the relevant forums."
Actually, the voting has been open since the 3rd day of January, 2008:
10 • Linpus and Eee (by Andrew Yeomans on 2008-01-07 13:22:12 GMT from United Kingdom)
Quite right. See http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?pid=7422 (posted October 2007)
11 • On-disc.com (by Not..BuyingCDS on 2008-01-07 13:24:01 GMT from Brazil)
It's nice when cds vendors like LinuxCD.org and OSDisc.com help distrowatch.com, but it seems to me they sell cds without help the projects, only On-disc.com sells cds and give back part of the funds to the developers.
I'll be really important every place start to give back to projects part of the money they get.
12 • Homework for Ladislav (by Béranger on 2008-01-07 13:43:00 GMT from Romania)
It's not necessarily a bad thing to donate to Zenwalk, but for me Wolvix is much more zen.
-- knowing that (1) the GPL requires you to either make the full sources available, or to make a written offer to provide them in a reasonable manner; and (2) the Slackware tradition (which Zenwalk should inherit since when it was MiniSlack) is to simply offer the sources for download;
-- knowing that Zenwalk doesn't offer any recent sources (the available sources are from 2006);
-- knowing that Zenwalk doesn't publish any written offer with means to get the sources;
-- knowing that this infringes the GPL (see the MEPIS case in the past);
-- it's up to Ladislav to find a moral justification for awarding 200 EUR to a distro (not thrilling, but not a bad distro either) that doesn't observe the GPL!!!
-- In contrast, Vector and Volvix *do* offer the full sources for download! Eh?
-- Maybe it's worth noting that Dropline GNOME lacks the full sources; and LinuxPackages.net also is binary-only;
-- In contrast, Slacky.eu (including Slacky GNOME) is offering the full sources too.
In short, Slackware-related, DW has awarded: Vector, NimbleX and Zenwalk, but no one can get the current sources for Zenwalk (if they're hidden, they're extremely well hidden!). In the meantime, Wolvix, another installable LiveCD based on Slackware, was not awarded anything!
Ladislav, the next time please do your homework!
13 • GoblinX, too (by Mini Goblin on 2008-01-07 14:00:21 GMT from Brazil)
GoblinX also has a repository not only with all source packages, but exactly like Slackware with build scripts and more... it has dependencies check with Slapt-get. It's another good Slackware based distribution.
But GoblinX does not have any Paypal like account to receive funds.
14 • @2 Asus EeePC (by Alexandru Popa on 2008-01-07 14:01:44 GMT from Germany)
Yes, I agree with you. This GUI looks very like with Asus' easy mode
15 • RE: 13 • GoblinX, too (by Béranger on 2008-01-07 14:11:54 GMT from Romania)
Indeed, GoblinX is an interesting distro too, very much worked and polished.
But its default colors are "too Brazilian", it's too colorful for my age :-) so Wolvix is my choice between the two :-)
And it's not clear why GoblinX is only available as Mini and Micro, but not as "full" or Premium!? What's the recommended path, to install from Mini and to add packages from goblinx-current?
On On-disk.com, where people can order disks to have a part of the money donated to the project, there are only offers for GoblinX 2.0, 2.5 and 2007.1 Premium -- but nothing 2.6.
And when you see on mirrors a folder named "goblinx-2007.1[2.0]", it looks like "2.0" and "2007.1" are the same -- but otherwise there are separate folders "GoblinX-2.0" and "goblinx-2007.1".
Such confusing versioning makes me feel very uneasy with GoblinX -- I never know what version am I talking about!
16 • What I would said to Mandriva (by ozonehole on 2008-01-07 14:12:46 GMT from United States)
The executive office of the Mandriva CEO was next. "What advice do you have for Mandriva?" That was Mr Bancilhon's first question after we sat down in a small conference room. The question caught me by surprise
My suggestion would have been to consider dumping RPM and going for a Debian-style APT system. But that's just me.
17 • Mandriva's TV/monitor out support, EeePC (by Dan MacDonald on 2008-01-07 14:27:57 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow! Moz Europe and Mandriva share office space? Surely that makes this the single most important FOSS building on this side of the pond? I read the interview with the new Red Hat CEO and he sounds like he's a great guy for the job and I'm also looking forward to this new Elive- I hope this new version will bring an easy way to enable auto-login for Entrance.
My dad bought a new Core 2 Duo laptop recently and so I installed Mandriva 2008.0 on it for him- it runs sooo much better than the V-word. After I'd discovered that I needed to enable the compiz video playback plugin to get mplayer working, everything worked great except the built in camera (Its an Acer 5720) and TV out. I'm not too bothered about the camera not working (although it is identified properly by lsusb etc) but I was disappointed about the TV-out. This laptop has intel x3100 graphics so hopefully this will be fixed by upgrading to the latest xorg, as is in cooker? Sadly I didn't get to try out cooker on it before he whisked the laptop abroad so I'm wondering if anyone here could tell me if Mandriva 2008.1s control panel has support for easily setting dual independent monitors and has working TV-output for recent intel cards (x3100) under its Display Settings panel?
ASUS have become the new kings of Linux promotion. I was hoping Sony would've put some effort into supporting Linux on the PS3 but they have failed miserably as far as the FOSS community is concerned, which came as no surprise. Contrast this to the EeePC which has been getting a LOT of coverage outside of the tech press and it seems most everyone has been pleasantly surprised by the usability of its included customised Debian/Xandros and has helped convert many 'anti-linuxers' or people who tried Linux years ago and didn't like it. This combined with their new exciting 'Linux on the motherboard' machine is getting Linux out there and used by new people and for new purposes better than any other company right now.
18 • RE: 16 • What I would said to Mandriva (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 14:49:21 GMT from Romania)
> My suggestion would have been to consider dumping RPM and going for a Debian-style APT system.
Wrong advice. There is nothing wrong with URPM. The GUI (RPMdrake) breaks on occasions, and it doesn't show you as much info as Synaptics (or as Yumex, to keep it RPM), but this is another issue.
My advice #1: Mr Bancilhon, don't pretend Corporate Desktop _4_ is launched, as long as it's not on store.mandriva.com.
My advice #2: Releasing twice a year makes Mandriva "just another Ubuntu, but RPM"; or "just another Fedora, but better". Not to mention that you won't be able to sell the boxed Powerpacks very well, as 2008.1 is approaching...
Or maybe (advice #3) keep the ".1 Spring" releases not very much different than the ".0" ones. I can already see how 2008.1 is incorporating too many changes over 2008.0.
This is why I can't recommend Mandriva to friends who are not that Linux-savvy, no matter how good might Mandriva 2008 One be!
19 • Thank You Linux! (by welkiner on 2008-01-07 14:51:20 GMT from United States)
Happy New Year DistroWatch!
Have a great 2008!
I would like to start off the new year with a big Linux Thank You to many who have given so much to me.
(In chronological order)
Thank you, Ken Thompson & Dennis Ritchie for Unix.
Thank you, Richard Stallman for GNU.
Thank you, Andrew Tanenbaum for Minix.
Thank you, Linus Torvalds for Linux. (What else can I say?)
Thank you, Ian Murdock for Debian, the mother of all distributions and the greatest free software repository in the world.
Thank you, Ladislav Bodnar for the Greatest Linux website in the world.
Thank you, Klaus Knopper for for giving us the LiveCD. (You changed the World, with Knoppix.)
Thank you, Warren Woodford for giving us the LiveDistro. (You changed it again, with Mepis, and made Linux my desktop os.)
Thank you, Mark Shuttleworth for Ubuntu, an amazing distro which is bringing Linux to the masses. (You seem to be fulfilling your promise.)
Thank you, Clement Lefebvre for the Creme de la Creme, Linux Mint.
...also, thank you, to all of the developers of all of the distros that I may or may not use in my daily work.
I know that I have benefited greatly from your contributions. Such is the nature of open source.
And last, but definitely not least, thank you to the application developers and code writers who make all this actually work.
Now please don't start flaming me because I left your favorite developer off of my Thank You list.
This is my Linux Thank You list. You can make your own.
20 • No subject (by SlackKing on 2008-01-07 14:57:40 GMT from United Kingdom)
GoblinX - still too many things don't work, omissions, errors. Zenwalk - exceptionally unpleasant bunch of people running their forum, elementary faults and omissions.
Wolvix - nice distro, nice helpful people, deserve a lot more support and interest.
NimbleX - the one to watch. Clever guy is Bogdan. First online customisation while-U-wait.
21 • Re: 20 (by Béranger on 2008-01-07 15:36:18 GMT from Romania)
I won't bother to use NimbleX until/unless Bogdan will redesign www.nimblex.net as to STOP containing embedded Flash, especially in the Screenshot section, but not only there!
*Forcing* you to have a Flash player in order to have full access to a site of a small, Slackware-based distro is like forcefully selling you some jetons de roulette at the entrance of a monastery.
22 • Linpus (by Sam on 2008-01-07 15:58:06 GMT from United States)
Indeed the Linpus distro has a "simple" interface that plays directly on the custom Xandros interface the folks at Asus developed. I'm always turned off just a bit when one distro so clearly and closely apes another in terms of design elements, but I did try Linpus on my Asus eeePC 4g model. It worked reasonably well, but a number of Fn keys, wireless, and hibernate/suspend had issues. I actually had an easier time of trying out Ubuntu (which is running on it now) and openSUSE 10.3 on the device (the latter, very nice looking without the windows outside the screen resolution... but much more difficult to tinker with just to get ethernet working).
23 • 5 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 16:00:59 GMT from United States)
Hey, a Crux user. I only recently heard of Crux (actually the release announcement). Maybe you can give me information.
It seems that binary package selection is limited and you have to download packages from lots of different places. You also have to compile a lot of your own software. The documentation seems to be not very plentiful. The forums are not very newbie-friendly.
Do you think this is accurate?
24 • A new year, time to step up the game! (by davemc on 2008-01-07 16:08:24 GMT from United States)
I think this new years resolution for all the Distro's out there should be to turn the corner and really put the heat on M$. Desktop Linux is already much better than XP and Vista in so many area's now that its just ridiculous. New innovations coming down the pipe with KDE4, Compiz-Fusion (assuming innovation is even still going on with that project post merge), and a smattering of other small projects like Pulse Audio and Entropy are really all ive really heard about. Of course there is always neat things that make existing technology better/more user friendly (GUI's like Restricted Driver Manager, Drake, various Control Centers, etc), but what is really needed is innovations that take Linux to to the next level. The era of "lets make a Desktop that is as good or better than XP", I should think is now gone, as that has been accomplished many times over now. After all, is there really any doubt anymore in anyones mind that Linux cant do everything that XP can?.. I certainly have found it to be more than XP's match with many distro's (Ubuntu, Mandriva, PCLos, Mepis) and with the latest wine-git (9.52), I have been unable to find any Windows based software that could not be made to work (Office 2003, Eve Premium Content, WoW... List goes on). Also, we now have ATi/AMD proactively working on OpenSource (sort of) Linux drivers, and NVIDIA just keeps churning out better and better drivers (169.07 latest). We still have the great WiFi problems, which indeed is a massive hurdle to overcome as technology continues to push more and more mobile based, and that IMO should be one of the biggest priorities because that litterally impacts everyone. Anyway, best of luck Distro Dev's, and congratulations on a tremendous 2007! I mean that for all distro's that churned out major releases last year from Red Hat, SuSe, Sabayon, Gentoo, Slackware, Ubuntu, etc. Great job!
25 • RE: 15 • RE: 13 • GoblinX, too (by Goblin 2 on 2008-01-07 16:56:41 GMT from Brazil)
Nowadays the best is use 2.6 series, but there are ISOs only for Mini and Micro. Who needs a bigger livecd must wait until Standard 2.6 is released. Who wishes to install, better get Mini 2.6 and then the rest of packages.
26 • RE: 19 • Thank You Linux! (by Patrick is the King!! on 2008-01-07 16:59:29 GMT from Brazil)
Where's the most important guy for Linux ever?
27 • No subject (by Patrick is the King!! on 2008-01-07 17:00:11 GMT from Brazil)
Corrections: Patrick Volkerding
28 • RE: 15 • RE: 13 • GoblinX, too (by Goblin 2 on 2008-01-07 17:01:45 GMT from Brazil)
BTW, the new GoblinX version are much more clean... it's using a Murrina theme and Tango Icons...
29 • Wishing another good year to Linux (by Sergio on 2008-01-07 17:18:11 GMT from Mexico)
Happy New Year everyone. Linux keeps getting more and more important, this past year I have been using it more and more on a daily and normal basis (in 2006 I mostly just experimented with many distros). Right now I have 4 Computers on my house, the Desktop PC has Windows XP. My laptop is dual booting between MEPIS 7 and Windows XP, my mom's PC has Ubuntu 7.04 installed and my music server runs Debian Etch. At work I use many kind of Linux/Unix flavors for servers.
And this year there are many gadgets that are very interesting that run Linux, like the Openmoko Freerunner cellphone (to be unveiled at this year's CES).
I wish Linux an even better year.
30 • suggestions for donations in 2008 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 17:32:13 GMT from Canada)
VLC : http://www.videolan.org/
31 • ulteo alike? (by Hadar on 2008-01-07 17:51:46 GMT from Israel)
I am the author of "rootz", which allows you to hook to existing operating system images and execute software (such as Open Office), locally on your computer. I think it is quite nice, and stable. If you wanna play with it (I hope you do), check out vamosproject.org/rootz
32 • Slackware based distros (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 17:58:03 GMT from United States)
NimbleX, Wolvix, GoblinX, Zenwalk, et all
are all off based on Slackware. Slackware is the mother of them all! Slax was the original Slackware LiveCD. IT has not gotten any donations :( It is a shame because the above distros mentioned here would be nothing if it were not for Tomas Matejicek and his linux-live scripts. He also deserves some credit. So before you mention some slackware based distibution and do not mention slax, you are biting the hand that gives you food just like a dog. Sure some of the above distros also help out Tomas, and report bugs and all, but they are getting more publicity and help. NimbleX's customizing CD, that was also Tomas' idea of creating a custom Slax Live CD. IT has not become a reality, but hopefully when Tomas get's back at work he will produce another great live cd that we can count on.
33 • Donations - Another KDEnlive plug, V**** (by Dan MacDonald on 2008-01-07 18:08:30 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yes, VideoLAN would be a very worthy recipient of a DW donation as would KDEnlive and, your, mine and vlc's fave lib ffmpeg upon which both vlc and KDEnlive depend heavily. However, ffmpeg is already the best media encoder/decoder and vlc is already the best cross platform media player. They should all get a donation but KDEnlive needs the biggest, first.
I saw a list for which I don't have a link recently which was entitled 'Top 10 most wanted missing features in Linux', most of the desired features were general things like "better vendor hardware support", "standard way to install and remove software" but iirc the only one of the 10 which was referring to a specific app being absent was "Good Video Editor".
XP is getting long in the tooth now and is a much bigger hassle to install and configure that Mandriva, Ubuntu or any other modern Linux. I believe that when KDEnlive become rock-solid, which I expect to happen before the year is out, we will see a big increase in switchers. I know the EeePC is woo'ing many mac fans towards Linux right now but they'd be much convinced if we were armed with a nice, stable KDEnlive as bait.
I had my first real play with V**** recently and it was every bit as bad as I'd been reading. Within 30m of setting the OS up I'd had its built-in CD burner fail mid-disc and I another problem with an integral app that required a hard reboot. I was also shocked that it took about 10 or 15m to download/add a printer and scanner combined that would've been available instantly under Linux. I couldn't recommend it for anything and remember that its called V**** for a reason- they're WATCHING you! ;)
34 • re: 12, Zenwalk source (by AliasMarlowe at 2008-01-07 18:16:32 GMT from Finland)
"-- knowing that Zenwalk doesn't offer any recent sources (the available sources are from 2006);
-- knowing that Zenwalk doesn't publish any written offer with means to get the sources;"
I was intrigued by the claim that Zenwalk only offers 2006 source, so I dug around on the zenwalk site. I found something, not on the front page, but in the FAQ, which is linked fron the front page. The linked sources at download.zenwalk.org/i486/source do indeed appear to be from 2006, but there is also a snapshot of the development version at download.zenwalk.org/i486/snapshot with 2007/2008 file timestamps, while the kernel source can be obtained using the netpkg kernelsource command.
However, some information on the website implies that the development version is not the same as the current release (change of toolchain in 2007). The timestamps on the current release binary packages (and files therein) are typically from May 2007 or later. The souces are all September 2006 or earlier. Curious indeed.
Since I've never tried zenwalk or any other slackware distro, I could well have overlooked something.
35 • Nice work (by bestiapeluda on 2008-01-07 18:18:45 GMT from Germany)
I want to thank the developers of Archlinux, who proved to me, that looking a little bit down on the distrowatch list is the best thing i've done in my distro-hopping year 2007. I'm settled now
36 • #18 Bashing Mandriva (by Anonymous Coward at 2008-01-07 18:18:56 GMT from United States)
#18, if you want a "Mandriva stable" that updates on an extended yearly cycle, PCLinuxOS is for you. I use both, but I give credit where credit is deserved - Mandriva is the foundation that made/makes PCLinuxOS great just as Red Hat made Mandrake.
I was hoping that Mandriva 2008.1 would delay a bit and bolt on KDE 4.0, so that 2009 could learn from the experience. Doesn't look like they will though...
Open source is wonderful, and I'd like to follow in the footsteps of #19 and thank the crews at Mandriva, Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, Redhat, and all the rest that didn't make deals with the Redmond mafia (so Suse and Xandros - no thanks to you). Sun, well, Sun is difficult, but where would Linux be without OO, so thanks, I think.
37 • RE 36 I do not think @18 was bashing Mandriva (by dbrion on 2008-01-07 18:34:20 GMT from France)
But short release cycles are exasperating, and , if > 4 major distros release at the same time, it is useless (it would be like TVs broadcasting Western on sundays, detective films on Mondays and so on....) .
As far as Mandriva is concerned, I was advised
- to skip the *.0 (marketing based, just to show they make as well as the others, release faster than their shadow, etc...) and
- to try *.1 (time has been given to repair some errors ==> with the pring editions, where some time is given to testing, one gets a ... one year release cycle)..., and ,
- if is satisfied, to buy the corresponding power pack...
38 • @36 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-01-07 18:34:54 GMT from Canada)
2008 will include KDE 4.0, but will default to 3.5.8.
39 • @39 (by Adam Williamson on 2008-01-07 18:35:08 GMT from Canada)
er, that's 2008 Spring, of course.
40 • 35 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 19:08:47 GMT from United States)
Yes, just for the heck of it I visited about 150 DW links to see what others have to offer. Just visiting those sites significantly expanded my view of Linux. I offered my thoughts on Arch last time. It might end up replacing Debian as my main distro.
41 • RE 37,38,39 (by kilgoretrout on 2008-01-07 19:26:33 GMT from United States)
Adam, thanks for the clarification.
Per #36, personally, I don't mind the twice annual release cycle; that seems about right to me. Rolling releases have their advantages but they also have their downside. You just can't have a stable release and allow for constant updating basic things like the kernel, xorg, gcc, udev/hal etc. Sooner or later you always run into trouble. You have to strike a balance with a rolling release about what you will and will not include in the rolling updates. PCLOS does a good job of updating what is most visible to the casual user, namely the gui, kde and other high visibility apps, but the underlying substructure tends to be somewhat dated and infrequently changed in order to maintain stability. That's a fine trade-off and PCLOS does this probably better than anyone but it is a trade-off.
Another example is sidux, which is an excellent rolling release based on debian sid. They do an admirable job of keeping the distro as stable as possible and you get the absolute latest and greatest of all current software, but there's a reason that they devote an entire section of their forum to "Upgrade Warnings".
42 • Suggestion for next donation: SAM-Linux (by Anonymous on 2008-01-07 19:29:08 GMT from Germany)
Suggestion for next donation: SAM-Linux
The best 'german-speaking' 1-CD-Distro on 'the market'. With XFCE it runs fast even on older boxes.
At this time it's heavy under developement and SAM-Linux 2008 will be released shortly.
43 • Microsoft...YOU'RE FIRED! (by Jon N. on 2008-01-07 19:40:43 GMT from United States)
I started using M$ products with my first computer, a TRS-80 Model I, on December 26, 1980. On April 14, 2004, I purchased a Pentium 4 3.0 Ghz. computer with XP Home. After having to re-install XP over 24 times, (yeah, that's a lot!), I purchased a copy of Vista in February of this year. On January 4, 2008, after all my pics had been deleted (not by me, of course!), and some of my recent documents had been deleted, (thank the Good Lord for the brains to back it all up!), I decided to fire Windows Vista. Yep! The new M$ wonder is nothing but a blunder. I am now on trial runs with S.L.E.D. 10 SP1, and I am already seeing a BIG difference in file handling and performance. I have been testing Ubuntu, OpenSUSE, MEPIS, PCLinuxOS, and Linux Mint recently. All of them have their own unique qualities, but I am giving Novell a 60-day chance now. If it works out, I'll take it on, but if not, these other distros will be given a good shakedown! Thanks to ALL of the Linux collective community for giving us all an alternative to M$'s hideous OS, and thanks to OpenOffice.org for making such a fine product that works on either side of the OpSys fence. I've been using OpenOffice.org on both XP & Vista ever since I bought my new computer, and I have never regretted it! Keep up the great work, and have a blessed and prosperous 2008!
44 • RE: 34 • re: 12, Zenwalk source (by AliasMarlowe (by Béranger on 2008-01-07 21:13:46 GMT from Romania)
> download.zenwalk.org/i486/snapshot with 2007/2008 file timestamps
No, no, no! What we need is a separate tree of sources for each and every Zenwalk release, available for at least 2 years.
Where are the source trees for the following releases?
NOWHERE, that is.
45 • #43 (by hab on 2008-01-07 21:15:07 GMT from Canada)
I don't know if i'd call ms' stuff hideous?
46 • A promising start. (by Jim on 2008-01-08 01:06:50 GMT from Australia)
Good to see so many positive comments and so little flaming/distro bashing. Let's hope it's a sign of things to come for the new year.
47 • Mint and Kiwi (by Tony on 2008-01-08 02:55:37 GMT from United States)
I'd like to Thank "Mint and Kiwi" which are both Ubuntu Derivatives for helping me to bring back to life 2 older desktop computers I cobbled together from spare parts.
Both of these Distro's made it really easy!
48 • RE: #43 (by Ultra on 2008-01-08 03:43:41 GMT from Canada)
Welcome to the world of distrohopping, a world where you don't have to re-install Linux 24 times, but you'll have 24 distros installed on your PC. And likely taking up less space than a full Vista install!
49 • "ultima" (by Jerry on 2008-01-08 04:05:34 GMT from United States)
I'm sorry, it is just so funny! "Ultima" linux, a distro with about 50 users world wide, is still submitting releases and www.distrowatch.com is still making listings for it as if it is a factor in the computing world of operating systems.
This says A LOT about linux in general.
Think about it.
50 • RE: 49 "ultima" (by ladislav on 2008-01-08 04:18:52 GMT from Taiwan)
You are right. Perhaps I should just keep Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat on DistroWatch and remove all other distributions. It would make my life much easier.
I'll think about it. Very hard.
51 • Re #49 Ultima (by glenn on 2008-01-08 05:24:05 GMT from Canada)
It seems they have 423 registers users for their forum.. Most on at any1 time was 78, right now is 9. Looks like a pretty active little community. Being slackware bsed they are more likely to be capturing a niche audience. I notice that since 2006 they seem to have issued 3 distribution releases. Not too shabby. I'm sure they could use more hands to help grow their project however.
From small beginnings can come great endings. Who knows, maybe they'll tank (like some big distros have done) or maybe they'll become the next Ubuntu... At least they are trying to present their idea of a distro to us.
I kind of like that.
I think you're right!. Looking at all the small Linux's and large Linux's, and all the different flavors of linux in between and comparing them to a single vendor dictated flavor of an operating system that forces expensive hardware upgrades for example, I agree with you! It does say a lot about linux! All favorable, Thats why we're here. At least thats my personal opinion anyway.
I've installed a lot of linuxs now on peoples systems. You know what?. They find it fun to be using something new that works as well as or better than what they had before for their requirements. There are also some specialed linux's for Music, old machines, etc. Thinking about other operating systems i do not see that capability in them unless you pay a lot of $$$ for it.
I have thought about it.
It says A LOT about linux and a lot about the people who work so hard to bring their visions to us,often at great expense to their personal time and budgets and we can use it all for free if we choose to not donate either effort or money to them.
Some of the code from these versions may also be exceptional enough so they find their way into the large Linux's like Red hat, Mandriva, etc. .
With all due respect, I'd like you to think about some of the positives of small distributions as well
Flames go here (----------------------------) :-)
It is winter and I need the heat... :-)
52 • Re: Mandriva and Gael Duval (by sergeant on 2008-01-08 07:30:59 GMT from Kazakhstan)
You say Gael left Mandriva in controversial circumstances?
That is a bit too diplomatic.
They have fired him after restructuring due to lack of funds.
That is piggish IMO, sacking the founder is like telling your parents go when they stop bringing money in.
53 • Qu 49 What was the user base of Linux in 1991? (by dbrion on 2008-01-08 07:37:01 GMT from France)
Anyway, the Ultima release anouncement is at the same time very lucid and rather funny, while many release papers are just tedious.... or full of typos (cf Mint in Linux+magazine, dec 2007 : it was both!!!)
If you reason w/r to the size of the user base, there would remain :
1) Microsoft XP
2) Microsoft Vista, which is promising....
Both can be made sustantially better by adding Free Open Source applications (vim is often better under Windows, Cygwin was a bright idea of Redhat...)
54 • XP user base (by Tony on 2008-01-08 08:57:10 GMT from Thailand)
You are right.
Xp has the biggest user base.
But from what I understand from dozens of reports, that is only because more than 50 % of windows users are effing thiefs.
Pirated...all the rest on their computers.
If every one of those pirates became a honest man, how many would switch to Linux, something which they can affort.
55 • RE 54 "50 % of windows users are effing thiefs." (by dbrion on 2008-01-08 09:10:39 GMT from France)
As in 90-95% of the laptops (and the desktops one does not assemble), Windows is preinstalled , the percentage of honest Windows is much higher than 50%.
Often, Photoshop is bought, too, as a gift (though the Gimp is Windows-ported, and is about as good or better than Photoshop). Often, in North of France, Linux install parties consist in ... installing free applications under Windows (nobody would be happy by seeing a 100 E$ bill burned....)
Yesterday, I persuaded a colleague who has professionaly a dual-boat Vista + Suse (Suze is *never* used! _both were bought-) to install gvim under Vista, instead of WordPad....
56 • Laugh! (by Lobster on 2008-01-08 12:07:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
50 • RE: 49 "ultima" (by ladislav on 2008-01-08 04:18:52 GMT from Taiwan)
"You are right. Perhaps I should just keep Ubuntu, Novell and Red Hat on DistroWatch and remove all other distributions. It would make my life much easier.
I'll think about it. Very hard."
Good to find a humorous penguin.
"The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter." - Mark Twain
As always Linux was great fun last year. New converts and general fun for all the family. Looking forward to more fun and frolics at Distrowatch this year . . .
2008 has always been the year I intend to release Tmxxine v1
- wait a minute Tmxxine Prism is already at Tmxxine Prism 3.01 . . .
ah yes but sometimes we go back in time to go forward . . .
Basically the numbering system is based on the Puppy version
Tmxxine is based on
Last year as far as I am concerned the most succesful was Tmxxine Shard 2.17
- that is the version I am using right now and have used most often in the last two months
The latest Shard 3.01 is based on the puplet NOP - using the XFCE interface makes it attractive
but reliability is the key and 2.17 is more reliable than 3.01 as a base
Tmxxine will always be based on the best emerging efforts
What will these be?
At the moment Dingo (Puppy 4 in Alpha testing) + Ezpup 4 (announced but not released)
will be at our cutting edge
It is quite likely that I will bundle
Firefox 3 and whatever I am using most with that set up
I keep an eye on the most usable puplets
and Mark Ulrich's "Muppy" is very likely to emerge as a
Other possibilities are Talking Stick (not yet out - Community Edition of Puppy)
A possible new MeanPup from John Murga and Wnop (created by a rocket scientist)
However there are some other great puplets (Puppy derivatives)
that are out there
or will emerge in 2008
Some will fly . . .
In particular any Puplet that focusses on wifi
T2 or is radically innovative and usable could be the Linux Tmxxine base
This is open source. We morph.
I may even use NimbleX or Morphix as a Tmxxine base
As I now have a Apple G4, I may look at what will work easily on
a PowerPC processor. Who knows what hardware will arrive in 2008 . . .
Tmxxine is devoted to open source time travel
an operating system is a requirement for the development
of our ASQ programming language
which I estimate as taking 30 years to develop
as it has many components, some of which have not emerged yet.
57 • Ultima new release (by mikkh on 2008-01-08 12:34:31 GMT from United Kingdom)
Hmm, very honest, but also off putting
Nothing really new, expect bugs etc etc
Kind of reminds me of Vista
58 • Mandriva ... (by Coffee on 2008-01-08 14:08:32 GMT from France)
"What advice do you have for Mandriva?"
That's a no-brainer: Sack the conspiring and plotting Mandriva CEO and get the talented and enthusiastic Mandrake founder Gaël Duval back on board. François Bancilhon is a corporate zombie of the worst kind.
59 • Distrowatch Weekly (by john frey on 2008-01-08 17:37:06 GMT from Canada)
Is it just me or is this DWW a particularly interesting edition? 3 weeks without it and now I know how much I enjoy reading it every week.
I really appreciate the efforts of Anne Nicolas and all the Mandriva team. The last 2 years with Mandriva have been fantastic. I realize how good it is when I test drive other distros. Sure there are bugs and some things that I would like to see improvement but that's normal with any OS. For instance I thought 2008 would set up access to windows files during the install. It had to be configured after the install. I have to reset the display power settings after watching videos or my monitor won't go to sleep. I could probably find a fix for that if and when I spend the time.
One of my favourite things is autocompletion everywhere. In the browser for searches, email, address and name for forms on and off the web, user names and passwords for web logins (of course not for my bank or credit card access), in the file manager, Amarok. I suppose other distros have this too but some don't and I'm sure some people don't want it. I'm no Linux or computer newbie but I appreciate how much time and effort this saves me.
60 • MANDRIVA (by FreakyStylie on 2008-01-08 17:48:56 GMT from United States)
After giving every distro in the Top 10 a 30 day-spin (many lasting less than a week), along with several others scattered in the Top 50, I settled (once again) on Mandriva. As someone who is comfortable with the command line, but doesn't have the time or interest to use it often, Mandriva is the distro for me.
I just pray that 2008.1 isn't a flashback of what 2007.1 was. 2007.0 was great, as 2008.0 is...but then 2007 went horribly wrong with the .1 release. Thats when I went back to SuSE, then Zenwalk, Fedora, and then finally Ubuntu (until 2008 came out and I gave Mandriva another spin). From what I read 2008.1 is going to be a good release, and nothing like 2007.1 so the prognosis for Mandriva staying on my laptop looks very promising.
As far as replacing RPM with APT...don't. RPM is a dog in SuSE and (the irony of all ironies...) Fedora. There's nothing structurally deficient with RPM as a package manager, just some distributions execution of it. RPM works wonderfully in Mandriva: I've never been thrown into "Dependency Hell" like I constantly was with SuSE, and URPMI works way better than YUM--even via YUMex using the "fastest mirror" utility. And it's as fast and efficient for me as APT has ever been while running Debian or Ubuntu.
Thank you, Mandriva, for renewing my faith in the Linux desktop as a viable Windows replacement solution. Without wonderful Mandriva I would not have been to meet my 2007 goal of transitioning off of Windows. Today I am approximately 90% Win Free.
61 • #54 #55 Pirated M$ (by dooooo on 2008-01-08 18:04:33 GMT from Jordan)
Excluding preinstalled XP (or Vista ) on laptops , Nobody pays a dime to M$ here .
Actually a friend of mine bought a M$ game once but after reinstalling XP he couldn't play the game anymore and his serial no. was disabled . He emailed M$ telling them
"well , I paid ***$ for this game . It's the 1st time I pay money for a M$ and apparently It's the last . I really prefer my pirated DVDs now . Thank You ."
He was able eventually to play the game but he'll definitely not buy any official M$ product in the future .
Sorry If that was a boring story .
Anyway , I wouldn't call those people thiefs because what should be considered immoral and illegal is selling software for money .
62 • Pirated M$ (by Tony on 2008-01-08 19:32:09 GMT from United States)
Microsoft really brings this on themselves by NOT offering a product that people are willing to pay a fair price for "that simply works." Take Vista for example, the new DirectX is the only advantage I've heard about and gamers are the primary ones who will benefit from it. The rest of Vista is at best a poor joke the average consumer is paying for?
I've setup several Vista computers in-home as well as my own Vista laptop and all but 'one' of the users want their old XP system back. The reason the 'one' was different is because she was running Windows ME and even liked it better than Vista. It wasn't cost effective to repair their older XP(and ME) computers that finally died.
Really and truly - I thank M$ for Vista because I think it will help Linux in the long run. I've given away more FREE Ubuntu CD's since Vista came on the scene than I ever did with XP.
63 • MIB Live Games (by Roberto M.I.B. Team on 2008-01-08 20:32:09 GMT from Italy)
Download for Mib-Live-Games-1.0.iso
64 • open source OS with process preservation over system interrupt? (by Alan on 2008-01-08 20:33:08 GMT from United States)
Any one aware of work being done to create a linux/open source OS that provides software process preservation over system interrupt? I am not talking about "fault tolerant" hardware, and I want more than journal file system preservation. I realize this is only 2008 and I have been waiting since 1984 for some one to offer some help/advancement in process preservation, does anyone have any idea/guess if it is likely to occure berfore 2038?
65 • Ultima page hit rank (by Jerry on 2008-01-08 20:58:06 GMT from United States)
I just realized that the page hit rank here is not accurate at all, so "Ultima" is probably really in the top 3.
Please adjust your thinking appropriately.
Gawd, have a beer. :>)
66 • Re #65 (by glenn on 2008-01-08 21:14:58 GMT from Canada)
You could be right.
I prefer Wild Turkey actually although beer is a good chaser.
Enough of that and my thinking is pretty well pooched. :-)
haw haw haw
67 • Hmmm..PCLinuxOS is manipulating the page ranking (by Budda Magoo on 2008-01-08 23:12:12 GMT from United States)
It's easy to see during this first week of the new year that those who wish to promote PCLinuxOS are clearly manipulating the page ranking here. I think the distro should be banned from the rankings for just this reason. I'm sure Distrowatch.com is getting tired of the abuse as well. Let's put it to the vote!
68 • So Much for a New Year (by JMiahMan on 2008-01-08 23:22:36 GMT from United States)
I guess getting my hopes up that distro bashing and making false accusations where something of 2007. Thanks for proving me wrong Bubba!
69 • Re: 67 (by davecs on 2008-01-08 23:53:29 GMT from United Kingdom)
How is it being done this time? The "bot" theory bit the dust when, on the 7-day rankings, PCLinuxOS, along with every other distro, plummeted over Christmas (presumably when less time was spent at computers). A "bot" would have maintained the hits.
So come on, what's the new theory?
Or maybe I shouldn't feed the trolls. As the saying goes "Never argue with an idiot, people might not notice the difference".
70 • gOS Rocket 2.0.0 is out! (by IMQ on 2008-01-09 00:11:55 GMT from United States)
For those interested.
I notice the homepage says that it is a beta release. Maybe due to the fact that E17 is still beta?
As of this moment, only torrent is available. Kinda slow for me but I am in no hurry...yet!
71 • Proof, Budda Magoo, proof ! (by nedvis on 2008-01-09 00:13:41 GMT from United States)
Or you better shut up!
Distrowatch.com might be getting tired of page hit ranking but
I'm tired of groundless accusations and paranoid claims.
I, sure , am glad of PCLinuxOS high score; at the same time I'm not worried at all about poor score of Slackware 12.0 which is my distro #2 and Debian Etch which is my distro # 3.
72 • re: #67 pclos (by ray carter at 2008-01-09 01:51:41 GMT from United States)
"Let's put it to the vote!"
You were under the mistaken idea that distrowatch is a democracy?
73 • "Dependency Hell" IS PURE FUD!!! (Or just IGNORANCE) (by SuseUser on 2008-01-09 02:06:23 GMT from Australia)
@60 ".......RPM is a dog in SuSE and (the irony of all ironies...) Fedora..."
Why? I have been using openSUSE 10.2/10.3 for more than 15 months without any issues!!! I have also used Fedora 7 and 8 for a couple of months and had no issues there with your imagined "DH"! A bad tradesman always blames his tools when things go wrong with his work! :-)
"There's nothing structurally deficient with RPM as a package manager, just some distributions execution of it."
No, you are wrong! You will get problems only if the packager does a bad job in packaging, regardless of package type.
Both Fedora and openSuse have a variety of package managers - UI or CLI - available to them, SMART being one of the better choices and, IMHO, does a better PM job than Synaptic!
74 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-01-09 02:56:02 GMT from Canada)
After reading another complaint , not about PCLINUXOS itself, but its position at the top. It is clear that the people writing the complaints do not realise that they are adding to the page hit rankings by constantly mentioning PCLINUXOS .
People who believe that ubuntu should be first because its popular and has rich backers, sound like those who believe that we should use windows because it is popular and has rich backers.
I will use this chance to mention how good the new PCLINUXOS mini me is - I wasnt going to , but hey , what can you do
75 • @67 (by Warp0 on 2008-01-09 03:45:27 GMT from United States)
"I'm sure Distrowatch.com is getting tired of the abuse as well. Let's put it to the vote!"
Thanks for bringing this up!
I'll certainly vote that numbskulls who drone on about PCLOS and HPD manipulation should be banned and their posts deleted.
76 • Ultumix 0.0.1.2 Ultimate Edition (by Justin Breithaupt at 2008-01-09 03:51:28 GMT from United States)
V0.0.1.2 By Justin Breithaupt (based on Mint KDE 4.0)
I am proud to announce the release of Ultumix 0.0.1.2. This is my own personal Windows Vista / XP replacement that I have been very hard at work on. last month I lost count when over 2000 people downloaded Ultumix V0.0.1.1 but there were still some issues that needed to be worked out in the previous versions.
Ultumix GNU/Linux is very easy for Windows users to switch to because everything is written in common English terms that everyone is familiar with and things like the start menu, icons, and all the other little things are much easier to find and understand. Also I worked very hard on installing the most common software in the OS so that you would have everything you need.
There are two editions of Ultumix V0.0.1.2 but both are very similar. There is the Standard Edition for standard use as a Vista / XP replacement and the Ultimate Edition which has extra things in it such as the top 21 Video Games of 2007 and much much more. So if your computer does not have a large hard drive you might opt for the Ultumix Standard Edition while if you have a computer with Direct X 9 compatible video and a large hard drive you may want Ultumix Ultimate Edidtion.
Ultumix also does not get Viruses, fragmentation, or crash as often as Windows does. Another big advantage to Ultumix as opposed to Windows Vista and other versions of Linux is that it has better hardware support and works with old printers. It also has a better ability to connect to WiFi hot spots than Vista has (if you buy a Linux compatible WiFi Card).
Ultumix is entirely free to download and install including all of the software that comes with it. If you want a professional installation by the creator of Ultumix it will cost you $75.00 but I will also make sure that all of your Windows Programs work in Ultumix that can work. I will also customize it for your needs.
You still have features like Video Chat with Ekiga Softphone and you can also use skype for chatting and calling people. If you currently use Yahoo, AOL, AIM, Jabber, MSN, or other chatting services one program will let you chat on all of these networks at the same time. This program is called Pidgin. It's also available for Windows.
One issue that people should know about before trying to install it themselves is that the user name and password will be “owner” on the first boot after installation no matter what you specified during the install. You can change the password later under the Control Center.
For more information including a video demo go to www.mindblowingidea.com and click Ultumix.
77 • Partial answ to 64 : process preservation upon interrupt (by dbrion on 2008-01-09 06:42:47 GMT from France)
"64 • open source OS with process preservation over system interrupt? (by Alan on 2008-01-08 20:33:08 GMT from United States)
Any one aware of work being done to create a linux/open source OS that provides software process preservation over system interrupt? I"
The library of g95 , a Free Open Source Fortran compiler, allows to interrupt a program, if not linked with other libraries, and to restart it (of course, if it is not in a bash script, and if no files have been modified). It works only on Linux(g95 is Windows, xxxBSD, etc ported). See the option G95_CHECKPOINT (p11), and the paragraph Corefile Resume Feature, p 14 at http://ftp.g95.org/G95Manual.pdf
There is at least one man aware of this necessity in the wild "free" (to play music and distr. loooving ) world!!!
78 • Cred (by plock on 2008-01-09 10:58:22 GMT from Sweden)
I would like to give my cred to Mandriva team for the 2008.0 release.
It's a very solid distro.
79 • PCLinuxOS MiniMe 2008 (by Dave on 2008-01-09 13:10:59 GMT from United States)
Downloaded this ligtweight Distro and have installed it in two machines so far.
It's just a very solid release and I like the fact that it's not full of junk that I do not ever use. I can configure it to the Distro I want it to be. only adding those programs I really need and use. Texar & the Rippers did a great job and it don't look bad either.
Give it a try
80 • PCLOS - too good? (by Rad on 2008-01-09 13:12:54 GMT from United Kingdom)
Is my favourite distro (i.e. PCLinuxOS) too good? If you want to compete, play by the rules. I do not bash other distros, I just enjoy the real distro-hopper-stopper. I've been using it for about a year now! And I've been using linux for about 6 years...
81 • to PCLOS children? (by No Name on 2008-01-09 13:28:54 GMT from United States)
I am FreeBSD user but I like to check what is new in the Linux world and Ladislav doing very good job. I read readers comments too and I don't know what happened last few weeks. Did children garten visit your site, Ladislav or is something wrong with the PCLOS users. Every Monday 'the best distro', 'the best...". It is disgusting!
82 • Re: to PCLOS children? (by Rad on 2008-01-09 14:17:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
tell you what - after about 5 years of struggling with different distros (dependency hell, apps dying unexpectedly) I finally found a distro that does not consume about 40% of the time spent in front of my computer just to mend things, add video support, mp3 support, jre support, GUI-support... It JUST WORKS - something that seems to be promised by many and delivered by few I guess. PCLinuxOS is definitely one of those who belong to the second group
83 • RE 82 Five years of incompetence (by dbrion on 2008-01-09 14:43:21 GMT from France)
are a radically stupid reason.....
"after about 5 years of struggling with different distros (dependency hell, apps dying unexpectedly) I finally found a distro that does not consume about 40% of the time spent in front of my compute"
84 • @83 (by Warp0 on 2008-01-09 16:45:20 GMT from United States)
Einige Leute mögen wirklich ein Betriebssystem, das vom Kasten ausarbeitet. Sie denken, das „dumm“ ist? Gut sagt das mehr über Sie als jedes sonst.
85 • mending (by Rad on 2008-01-09 17:03:56 GMT from United Kingdom)
if someone likes mending his/her operating system and/or spending a lot of time adding basic features I suggest switching back to MS Windows 98...
86 • RE 84,85 (by dbrion on 2008-01-09 17:11:49 GMT from France)
En 2003, ça m'a pris 3 jours (pas trois ans) d'installer un Linux respectant les langues sur un portable. En 1998, j'ai installé Solaris en ... un mois. Le fait de savoir lire de la doc me semble justifier ... un traitement de texte (et le nier est incohérent)...
Ce n'est ni mon métier, ni mon hobby favori d'installer des Linux (je peux en avoir de très beaux en 30 secondes, le temps de remplir un chèque -interface graphique- ou une carte de credit -interface clavier).
Le fait de tirer gloire , et même argument, de son incompètence est obscène.....
87 • Zenwalk Live 4.8 (by Paul on 2008-01-09 18:07:20 GMT from United States)
Let me say that I simply love Zenwalk Live 4.8. My work enviroment iconsists of machines running Windows, but when I want to do some real work I through in Zenwalk and viola! Reads writes NTFS, FAT, VFAT, etc, etc. Simple script stored on HDD to config network, and your off. Nice job on the Distro Phillipe.
88 • Darkstarlinux (by Tjotser at 2008-01-09 19:32:17 GMT from Netherlands)
Does anyone have DarkstarLinux latest dvd release ? They ran out of bandwidth and I would like to see it torrented, http://linuxtracker.org/
89 • darkstar (by klu9 on 2008-01-09 21:17:37 GMT from Mexico)
didn't Darkstar used to be a FreeBSD-based "distro"?
90 • 84, 86 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-09 21:46:04 GMT from United Kingdom)
could you please add at least a brief summary of what you write in German or French? Even though I'm probably 25% German myself, I'm not that good at Deutsch... And my French is almost nonexistent... Danke schön! Merci! :-)
91 • Distros for old old laptops (by David on 2008-01-09 23:23:42 GMT from United Kingdom)
Changing the subject.....I have an old Pentium 133 laptop with 16MB RAM and a 1.4GB hard drive. It has Windows 98SE on it but I wanted to try and put a version of Linux on it. I've managed to buy another 32MB of memory so that will take it upto 48MB memory. Does anyone know and have any experience of running small distros on such a small spec as this?
I love Distrowatch!
92 • 91 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-10 00:59:24 GMT from United States)
You'd need a small window manager, probably Fluxbox is the biggest. I've run older versions of Vector with 32 MB. Vector 5.8 Std flies on a Pentium II 233 Mhz with 128 MB of RAM.
You're probably "stuck" with Puppy, Damn Small Linux, or DeLi Linux, though you might have to try all three given the age of your computer. I don't remember recently installing on a Pentium, I've had Pentium II or greater for years, but those three distros should work.
93 • PCLinuxOS 2008 - is it really that good? (by ladislav on 2008-01-10 01:30:28 GMT from Taiwan)
While everybody keeps commenting on how fantastic the new PCLinuxOS 2008 MiniMe is, to me it looks like a step backwards.
Firstly, it doesn't boot on my test machine, hanging at "Probing SCSI devices...." (the same is true for SAM 2008). It only boots in "safeboot" mode.
Secondly, I tried to install some extra applications on it, but I keep getting all kinds of errors. GIMP, ImageMagick, kdegraphics - nothing ever installs either in live mode or once PCLinuxOS is on the hard disk. I can't remember the exact error messages now, but they have something to do with the RPM cache (it was a clean install, by the way).
Thirdly, I much preferred having networking set up during boot, as in PCLinuxOS 2007, than having to do it all manually post-boot. Most live CDs do this automatically nowadays and PCLinuxOS 2007 was no exception, so it was a bit of a surprise to see no Internet after booting the PCLinuxOS 2008 CD.
Also, the version number (2008) seems to indicate that this is a major release, but the truth is that PCLinuxOS 2008 has the same base system as PCLinuxOS 2007 (except for the kernel). Only some desktop applications have been updated. This might sound like nitpicking, but I thought that the traditional versioning (say 1.0 to 1.1, then 2.0 when the entire system is upgraded) might better reflect the reality than this year-based versioning system, which doesn't tell us whether the system is a major upgrade or a minor one. This is not such a big deal, but still... If you see version numbers like 1.0, 1.1, 2.0, then you know straight away which is a major release and which is not. But when you see 2007, 2008, 2009, how do you tell that 2008 is a minor upgrade while 2009 is a major one?
I also don't like the new taskbar - too glossy for my taste, but that's a minor issue.
As always, it's the expectations that often sways one's opinion about something. With PCLinuxOS 2007 being such a great release, I expected heaven with 2008, but my first impressions are rather negative. Let's hope the standard edition will be better.
94 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-01-10 02:27:51 GMT from United States)
A "global moderator" on the pclos forums says this is a great review about MiniMe http://www.linuxlove.org/2008/01/08/first-look-at-pclinuxos-2008-minime-edition/
Maybe they had a different iso since its almost 100meg smaller than the one listed on DW.
I didnt know that synaptic and apt came partily from Unbutu.
You get a nice black grub bootloader.
Apparently its #1 rank on DW is above Ubuntu apparently.
*Any* application you need is only a click of a mouse in Synaptic away.
95 • Re: 93 • PCLinuxOS 2008 - is it really that good? (by ladislav..... (by johncoom on 2008-01-10 04:16:08 GMT from Australia)
Accepting your criticisms above, perhaps those interested in PCLOS should read.
Do you need MiniMe-2008 ? =
And please consider the Quote from Sal at the end.
NOTE: It was found that some recent hardware would not let people use/boot the original PCLinuxOS 2007 LiveCD (the kernel is what 7-8+ mo old now)
Hopefully the newer PCLOS 2008 series with newer kernel will over come that problem for those with recent hardware ?
96 • RE 91 "Distros for old old laptops "(uncomplete answer) (by dbrion on 2008-01-10 07:56:56 GMT from France)
I am very sorry, but I could only qemulate and vmplay Deli and it is quite comfortable with 48 M RAM (it is difficult to find old HW in good state) and 0.5G disk (I tried it without swap, as I had enough RAM). Their site has nice howtos
There is another solution, adding free software to W98 (the Gimp, etc are Windows ported) but it is getting harder and harder to find W98 ports.... I hope you will find other, better solutions.
BTW I hope, too, that you have ... a CDROM reader....(Deli is easy to install, at least virtually, but with a CDreader).
97 • RE : 49 • "ultima" (by Jerry) - (by John-Paul on 2008-01-10 10:46:59 GMT from France)
Jerry (on 2008-01-08 04:05:34 GMT from United States) wrote : (...) This says A LOT about linux in general.(...)
Yes, of course, "small is beautiful", that's the spirit of Open-Source : a lot of small projects, plenty of inovation, Darwinist selection... That's what makes it a beautiful utopia, ... a revolution !
Jerry, you should use Microsoft Windows, it seems to me that the Open-Source community probably doesn't need you.
98 • John-Paul, "Open-Source community" spokesman.. (by Jerry on 2008-01-10 12:00:30 GMT from United States)
Maybe the community doesn't need defensive little people like you.
And maybe what's left of "open source" is either trash or insignificant in the computing world. Otherwise the numbers would be reversed: 93% (minimum) Windows or Mac vs 7% (maximum) "open source."
And maybe you think you're playing with "open source" but you're really playing with yourself, because there is nothing on the horizon except more, tiny little "distributions" and a few wise ones partnering with Microsoft, the world wide leader in computing software, especially operating systems.
For what it's worth, there are four users of the three machines in this house, and only one linux user left.. the other three, me included, having matured into adults.
Keep playing, kiddies. :O) The adults will always be watching you.
99 • RE 98 I thought chidren's work was prohibited... (by dbrion on 2008-01-10 12:21:32 GMT from France)
" and only one linux user left.. the other three, me included, having matured into adults.
I am terrified
: is my bank (you know, the place interesting currency ... and less interesting, too!!! is kept) OS operated by children? (at least, the most strategic parts?)
100 • 97 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-10 12:49:32 GMT from United States)
Jerry is a troll. I just ignore anything he writes. Even Microsoft offers more intelligent anti-Linux arguments. Jerry just wants attention.
101 • Re: 93 and 95 (by davecs on 2008-01-10 13:03:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
Sorry Ladislav, if there are problems booting in other than safe mode on your hardware. This is why we have it, we would appreciate it if you report to the site what the hardware you have is.
I have had no problems at all installing additional packages. It may be that you attempted to do it during a sync. GIMP etc installs perfectly.
You indicate a preference for the "old" order of doing stuff prior to login, but many have asked for it to be the other way around. A question of taste.
Finally, we are proud to say that we have maintained the same base system. We aim to do this for years at a time. We don't want users to have to re-install every 6 months. But at least users haven't got to do 500Mb of updates after install.
Mini-me is for experienced users, and if we can overcome any problems it has, it will form the base for a new full iso which will replace PCLOS2007.
On my system it's fast, even with all the software re-instated after install. Faster than 2007. Why? I don't know for sure, may have something to do with LVM being dropped from mini-me, but it's noticeable.
Anyway thanks for caring. Please feed back your hardware details and we'll try to make it better.
102 • RE - 98 • John-Paul, "Open-Source community" spokesman.. (by John Paul on 2008-01-10 13:07:02 GMT from France)
Jerry (on 2008-01-10 12:00:30 GMT from United States) wrote : "Maybe the community doesn't need defensive little people like you."
I'm not sure that you understood what I wrote correctly. It's not important, I wasn't expecting you to react fairly as I have myself been a bit hard in my post.
However, the statistics you provided in your answer are pure FUD. Everybody who has read Gartner's and some over market analysis made by established consultants knows that Linux has won the battle against Microsoft on the server market since a few years, and is gaining more and more place on the desktop market . You can trust me, I've been providing IT consulting to large companies for 10 years.
There's nothing wrong with using Microsoft Windows at home, don't be ashamed , this OS was designed for home usage (hum, sorry, it wasn't really "designed", it's an opportunistic marketing-driven evolution, started from a monotasking / monouser 16 bits system).
Have fun with blue-screen, disk fragmentation, virus, worms, licences, DRM, and .... your so-called maturity :)
103 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-01-10 13:56:39 GMT from United Kingdom)
Yeah the laptop has a CDROM. So I'm going to give Puppy, DSL and Deli a try and see how far I get! I'll let you know!
104 • Linux Innovation (by Justin Whitaker on 2008-01-10 18:57:09 GMT from United States)
You know, Microsoft is out there claiming that Vista is actually selling desktops and laptops...now, it could be that that is because that is all that OEMs are really offering, but still...the masses are not put off by Vista, and aren't leaving Microsoft products in droves.
If they are leaving Microsoft, they are going to Apple...from what I have seen in terms of desktop usage stats, Linux has remained fairly flat.
So how about this for an idea: how about Linux just be Linux! Let's Linux innovate on its own terms, bereft of this need to slag Microsoft, or imitate it.
And can we agree to stop using M$ and other childish acronyms for Microsoft in 2008? If you don't like Microsoft, their products, their practices, then you obviously know where to find the alternatives, but there is no need to stoop to name calling. It does nothing to advance open source.
105 • Mepis releases fyi (by David Brabaw on 2008-01-10 19:02:19 GMT from United States)
I notice you list Mepis 7.0-rc2 as the most current release. But the news release for MEPIS 7.0 is at http://www.mepis.org/node/14187
106 • RE: 94 • Apt RE: 104 M$ (by john frey on 2008-01-10 20:38:43 GMT from Canada)
94: Synaptic and Apt come from Debian. I don't think PCLinuxOS uses an Ubuntu derived Apt and Synaptic but I may be wrong.
Justin Whitaker: No we can't agree to stop slagging M$. They have made it a point to slag Linux so they get what they give. Does calling the GPL a viral infection, or spreading FUD about patent violations, or funding SCO's anti-linux lawsuits help M$? Most of us here don't like M$ and we are free to express it. If it offends you then don't read it.
As for masses being put off by Vista, you are right, they are not leaving M$ in droves but they are not adopting Vista, they are using XP.
107 • Zenwalk & sources (by Akuna on 2008-01-10 20:48:40 GMT from France)
Thanks for the kind reminder Béranger. ;)
No one is perfect... we obviously slacked on that one & we will be working on fixing this oversight.
BTW, it is true: Wolvix, Slax & Goblinx are really great as well & I'm sure they won't be forgotten as they are truly deserving. (Goblinx newsletter is another one of my favorite read)
Thanks again Ladislav for encouraging & promoting us all in such an effective way.
108 • re #104 Linux imitating (by Anonymous on 2008-01-10 23:07:26 GMT from Australia)
"how about Linux just be Linux! Let Linux innovate on its own terms"
People first started developing the Linux desktop to mimic Windows - like Linspire, Mandriva, Xandros, Vixtra, Ultumix, etc. But now there seems to be a trend to mimic the MAC - like Dreamlinux, EeePC, gOS, and XFce-based distros. The trouble is that Linux never really had its own "look". It's like a shape-changing OS that maybe can't find its own identity.
109 • Re 108...• re #104 Linux imitating (by Anonymous (by Hardy_Ha_Ha on 2008-01-10 23:31:16 GMT from Australia)
Actually it's more like... "Yeah that looks oooookkkk but Linux can do it too and even do it better!'' Ya get it mate? Awwright? Bewdy!
It's not imitation, it's showing the users who are familiar with those other OS it can all be done with Linux and keeps them in a familiar territory, the look and feel (sans insecurity and what-not!) they are accustomed to.
A good looking desktop does not necessarily make a good OS.
110 • Imitations (by Anonymous on 2008-01-11 01:00:48 GMT from United States)
Take Zenwalk running Fluxbox, and you won't really see Linux imitating anything. Maybe if we look at just the top few distros in the PHR, we find imitation, but that is far from the entire Linux world. I'll take the Linux way over MS/M$/Mac any day of the week.
111 • MiniMe (by Guy on 2008-01-11 01:03:43 GMT from United States)
Working nicely on my guinea pig computer. 1ghzAthlonThunderbird 512mb 64mbGeForce3 The utilities folder on the desktop makes it easy to set up.
112 • PCLinuxOS 2008 MiniME (by IMQ on 2008-01-11 01:31:24 GMT from United States)
I just ran a little test of PCLinuxOS 2008 MiniME in LiveCD mode. I do not experience the problems Ladislav had. Maybe his was one of those an unfortunate cases but not the general experience for the others who have taken it for a spin.
It is truth that the network is manually configured after logging in.
I had no problems installed packages either from the konsole or from running synaptic.
I even did a remaster but I have yet to test to see if it works.
As for naming the release, I believe it is best to read the release info to have a better picture of what's new.
Remember Slackware release jumped from 4 to 7? I also remeber reading Pat's explanation for the jump. Basically, why not. Just a number. :)
I might do a fresh install to the HD and play around some more.
It looks like 2008 is going to be another interesting year for Linux on the desktop.
BTW, I also took gOS Rocket 2.0.0 .Beta 1 for a spin. They add leafpad but somehow remove the terminal from the menu. Also no calculator either. Guess I keep using my ten fingers and ten toes for any serious mathematical computation. :)
113 • RE 108 - It all depends on you (by KimTjik on 2008-01-11 09:37:21 GMT from Sweden)
"The trouble is that Linux never really had its own 'look'."
The look of a desktop isn't of any importance. Gnome, KDE or any other desktop-environment or windows-manager isn't the core structure of a Linux system. It's nothing more than one set of packages making use of X. Most can be modified to nonrecognition, making them your personalized environment fitting your needs.
If you think it looks too much like Windows or Mac, and want to actually get more productive and less dependent on a mouse, why not try something that's miles from Windows and Mac: Ratpoison, Ion, Xmonad or some other in that fashion. It all depends on you. Certain things though are similar because of basic human preferences (nothing that either Microsoft either Apple invented).
What's important is that Linux keeps protecting its advantages while still improving.
114 • Misc 104: Lx desktops are not W/Macclones, 64 (process preservation /interrupt) (by dbrion on 2008-01-11 09:52:19 GMT from France)
"People first started developing the Linux desktop to mimic Windows"
I slightly disagree : KDE or GNome are somewhat more functionnal than Windows desktops.... and the fact one has many types of desktops can make it easier to adapt to insufficient RAM/ buggy desktops versions... if one likes/uses desktops (linking desktops looks to linux identity is an error from the servers'users/ embedded curious/ xxxBSD (they have KDE, too!) point of view).
Re Re 64
Any one aware of work being done to create a linux/open source OS that provides software process preservation over system interrupt? I am not talking about "fault tolerant" hardware, and I want more than journal file system preservation. I realize this is only 2008 and I have been waiting since 1984 for some one to offer some help/advancement in process preservation, does anyone have any idea/guess if it is likely to occure berfore 2038?
I do not know whether it is a rhetorical question (and wish you had better answers than mines), but virtual systems can be preserved when
VMplayer and Qemu offer this functionality (it is very comfortable, when playing with lifeCDs images, to start from an already loaded system), though they are slower than real systems...but this speed issue is fading, as I feel that most PCs never use more than 10% of their CPUs, even in peak times...
It seems to me impossible to preserve *real* systems on a file, as the state would be inconsistent...
115 • Is Chrismas so zen for terminal users? (by dbrion on 2008-01-11 10:03:54 GMT from France)
" They add leafpad but somehow remove the terminal from the menu. "(From 112)
Zenwalk Christmas edition did worse (unless when qemulated) :
when you try to launch a zonsole/terminal , it does not launch but breaks the desktop... So does xaos.
OTOH, their choice of WxMaxima is very nice, and they seem to have added an interesting range of Fredom, AZERTY keymqps (Swiss -wondeful banks, currency and chocolate- and Belgian -delicious chocolates and the only really good fried potatoes - keymaps were added, so that everyone can type an emqil qdress).
116 • KDE4 Just released (by dooooo on 2008-01-11 18:25:21 GMT from Jordan)
KDE4 Just released , Enjoy .
117 • Definition of frustration (by Foob on 2008-01-11 23:55:30 GMT from Canada)
Wanting to burn a distro to your only remaining CD-RW, but it contains a liveCD and is the only way to boot your computer.
118 • re #116 KDE4 (by Anonymous on 2008-01-12 01:04:32 GMT from Australia)
The headlines read:
"KDE 4 gives Linux some Mac, Windows flavor"
"a revamped interface incorporating several features that also appear in Windows Vista and Mac OS X"
My god, Linux is becoming schizophrenic! Maybe it's time to call in Dr Phil :)
119 • I am so sorry (by KimTjik on 2008-01-12 01:43:47 GMT from United States)
I am so sorry.
I am humbled! :(
I must publically express this. Please. Understand or strive to.
In the past two years I have clicked to distrowatch and made many posted remarks about distros.
I am a FRAUD.
Windows is what I use, of course. It is the leader and true developer of home and business computing. How could anyone with an overview of things in reality deny that fact?
I am so very SORRY.
120 • RE 119 (by KimTjik on 2008-01-12 08:14:13 GMT from Sweden)
What's all that about? In response to what, or a joke about what? I've written two comments in 3 weeks: one helping someone find a Live-CD password and now a comment about DE and WM. Something wrong about that?
If it's a joke, please don't write in my pseudonym. Anonymous writers are in comparison easier.
Please explain yourself, so I get the drift.
(From the "real" one who's no living in the US)
121 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2008-01-12 12:19:51 GMT from Canada)
load the cd to ram and then burn away!
122 • Re 120 (by glenn on 2008-01-12 12:48:04 GMT from Canada)
There's a troll in here and it looks like he did it to stir things up
I knew it was not you and I am sure most others would know also.
123 • RE 120/119 Méfiez vous des contrefaçons (d'où viennent elles?) (by dbrion on 2008-01-12 13:25:26 GMT from France)
The real KimTjik wrote 3 interesting posts (at least, even if he reminds only two!!!) in the last 3 weeks, if I have a good memory, one of which explaining in a rational way (much beyond it WORKS!) how Arch is good/ worth trying if one is not too (hyper)conservative... I am glad to wish him a nice year with every bissextile day full of good things....
As for the KT clo(w)n)e(....
124 • Help Linux Development - Test Ubuntu, Mandriva Alphas/Betas .... (by Positive Suggestion on 2008-01-13 12:20:49 GMT from Australia)
.....and report bugs relating to your hardware (or just in general) to the respective bug trackers of these distros.
I have setup my accounts with Ubuntu and Mandriva (will probably do same for Fedora and openSUSE) and will do some testing soon.
I have downloaded and tested Ubuntu 8.04 Alpha 3 and I am now in the process of downloading Mandriva 2008.1 Alpha2.
Found some serious display issues with Ubuntu and if these are not fixed by release time, I am CERTAIN (judging from recentt experience) they will appear in Mint and many other distros that rely on Ubuntu.
Do your duty and do some testing and bug reporting!
125 • Mepis still moving along well! (by Geoff on 2008-01-13 14:58:02 GMT from United States)
As I posted in this comments area a couple of weeks ago, Mepis was the distribution that ended up doing well on my new laptop after many experimental tries.
I am just reporting that I have no complaints about it, and the updates and upgrade "apt-get" procedures do not cause problems (there have been a few pretty large upgrades over the weeks, and a few smaller ones).
The wifi is secure and fast, the suspend and other functions are working still, and my laptop is LINUX, and not Windows as what came with it.
I sent money to Mepis Lovers (great name, eh?), and will send more when I can.
Happy Geoff :)
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