| DistroWatch Weekly
1 • MBR (by Ely at 2006-09-11 08:44:37 GMT from Philippines) |
I downloaded gparted livecd and it's very useful... before I install any distro i am going to use it because I need to format a partition of type fat32. When I try to partition my disk and have a fat32 at "install time", the installation fails and automatically aborts.
Does anyone knows a livecd that can fix my mbr! I am setting up multi-os boot. It will be nice if I can have a livecd that fixes bootloader and mbr.
Thanks in advance! Nice dww ladislav
2 • Debian (by Jack Malmostoso on 2006-09-11 08:46:25 GMT from Switzerland)
I can only report that my Debian Sid AMD64 machine works exactly as reported by Joey Schulze. No need to manually configure anything. I was so disappointed I have tried installing it on my iBook G4 and observed the exact same behaviour.
Gotta file a bugreport, not sure against which package though ;)
3 • nice new artwork (by jokinin on 2006-09-11 08:48:09 GMT from Spain)
I see that Fedora artwork is improving all the time, but i'd like to see some changes in the dektop, and the inclusion of XGL with easy to set up 3rd part depositories for propietary video card kernel modules.
BTW i don't see how Debian stable can be used as a desktop distribution, because Ubuntu has much newer package selection and is published more often.
Debian is useful on a server, but not much on a desktop unless you use the unstable branch.
4 • No subject (by Suyog Mainali on 2006-09-11 08:48:29 GMT from Pakistan)
Distrowatch weekly, nice read, as always.
5 • 3 (by AC on 2006-09-11 09:10:39 GMT from United States)
"BTW i don't see how Debian stable can be used as a desktop distribution, because Ubuntu has much newer package selection and is published more often."
The same way that previous releases of Ubuntu can still be used as a desktop. people confuse the usability of a system for desktop with its appeal to enthusiasts who want a bleeding desktop. Not everyone wants that. Workstations running Debian stable or RHEL are quite usable and I wouldn't use anything else for a serious workstation. And for a desktop, they are quite adequate. Plus, there's backports for specific applications.
Unless you have very new hardware (though there are workarounds for that) or are convinced you simply must have the "latest and greatest", Debian stable is just fine on a desktop.
6 • Great Fedora Artwork! (by Aaron on 2006-09-11 09:23:59 GMT from Switzerland)
I'm one of these guys that didn't like the bubble-theme of FC5 and I'm very pleased to see the good work they're doing with the FC6 theme. Go on guys!
7 • Zenwalk-3.0 (by Akuna on 2006-09-11 09:24:57 GMT from France)
Best release... with notable simplified installation procedure.
XFCE is really maturing & looking good!
Darn fast as usual... ;-)
8 • Penguins on the March (by Lobster on 2006-09-11 10:02:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
Congratulations to Debian. Parents of the Ubuntu monster. Seed of the Knoppix contraption . . .
Onward and upward.
9 • Mandriva KDE ia ora theme screenshots ? (by Anonymous on 2006-09-11 10:13:37 GMT from France)
Is there a link to other Mandriva KDE ia ora theme screenshots ?
10 • Mandriva 2007.0 ONE RC1 (by mack on 2006-09-11 10:13:46 GMT from Netherlands)
just DL' ed Live/install CD (one) an I've to say it's one of the most impressive Linux distro I've ever tried. On my old Celeron Mobo I have full xgl goodies straight off the live CD without any fuss or configuration. Thanks to all Mandriva developers, Way to go guys !!
11 • debian desktop (by Anonymous on 2006-09-11 10:53:14 GMT from Italy)
My little brother is using debian sarge on an old laptop. Having old packages sometimes means being light on memory and cpu usage.
All distros are adding functionalities and thus getting easier to use, even gentoo is.
Oh the good old days...
12 • Debian Live CD (by Hello at 2006-09-11 11:25:20 GMT from )
Debian team is beginning to take Live CD seriously, and the project seems to be coming along rather well. One can create a live CD with two commands:
apt-get install live-package
And you get a nifty pure-Debian live cd! Can further customize by editing /etc/make-live.conf.
Check it out http://live.debian.net/wiki/ISO_Howto
13 • Debian Etch on the desktop (by pekka on 2006-09-11 12:22:30 GMT from Finland)
As GNU/Linux desktop solutions become better, also Debian stable becomes a more viable desktop option. Not everyone wants to upgrade programs all the time providing that the distro makes sure that security problems are fixed as soon as they are discovered. I've read that a new desktop artwork for Etch is being planned. Also a lot of work is currently being done on the desktop integration and polish in order to give those who choose the "desktop" task in Debian installer an easy-to-use desktop that works "out of the box".
Debian users have basically two alternative ways to run the stable release:
(1) Keep with the official packages. Run "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" at regular intervals to make sure that you have all the latest security updates. Debian stable is a tried and tested and carefully bugfixed GNU/Linux distribution and once you get it working, it should run smoothly without any nasty surprises. This is the best option for production desktops that you want to use for doing some important work.
(2) Add the unofficial backports repository to your /etc/apt/sources.list. ( http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php ) Backports allow you to run the tried and tested Debian stable release with more or less up-to-date desktop applications that have been backported from Debian testing by official Debian devs.
Of course, you can choose instead to track a development version of Debian if you want really up-to-date software and maybe want to help Debian developers to find and fix bugs faster ("unstable" for the most recent bleeding edge packages and "testing" for packages from "unstable" that have been tested & bugfixed for two weeks or so). In upgrading packages for "unstable" or "testing" you should use "aptitude dist-upgrade" instead of "aptitude upgrade" because the former command can handle changing dependencies better than the latter. And you can also use a technique called "apt-pinning" to mix packages from two development branches. ( http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning )
For those who don't already know, Debian is currently in the process of switching to time-based releases. In the past releases were made when the developers thought that Debian was ready for a new release. But due to the community nature of Debian's development and the striving for perfection, the release cycle grew slower and slower and many people, users and developers alike, became impatient and complained about outdated software in stable releases. So Debian has now decided to make new releases every 18 months, Etch being the first in this new time-based release schedule.
It looks like Debian's developers have been listening intently their users' criticism and they have decided to work hard to fix all the problems of the past. This is the right kind of attitude and it promises bright future and success for Debian. We shall have to wait and see how things turn out but at the moment all signs suggest that December will bring us an excellent new stable release from Debian.
14 • New Linux distros (by Chris Norton on 2006-09-11 12:57:40 GMT from Australia)
The next few months are indeed going to be exciting with some of these distros coming out! I know I've been waiting for Slackware 11.0 for a while now. :)
15 • @ #1: MBR (by Roy Stefanussen on 2006-09-11 12:58:59 GMT from United States)
Vector Linux SOHO 5.1.2 LIVE can write a new MBR.
Boot to "CLI no X"
Login as root, password vector
Run "vasm > filesystem > lilo > [choose the "rewrite your MBR" option]
16 • Debian Etch (by Leonardo at 2006-09-11 13:08:30 GMT from Argentina)
Is Ubuntu getting some serious competition from its older brother? We should find out before the end of this year....
Wouldn't that be: from its old man? meaning "dad", "father", "pro-creator" :)
17 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-09-11 14:00:43 GMT from United States)
for the mbp, use an ubuntu cd. they work amazingly.
18 • GnuPartEd Donation (by Benjamin henry on 2006-09-11 14:10:17 GMT from United States)
How about considering giving the September donation to GnuPartEd? This utility is getting better and better!
19 • horrible fc6 artwork (by Tariq on 2006-09-11 14:18:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
it looks like its from a horror movie dd menu!
20 • MBR & Simply Mephis LiveDVD (by brodders on 2006-09-11 14:28:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
Another route to fix an MBR is to use "testdisk" which is on most LiveCD - definately on recent Knoppix / Kanotix. testdisk can also repear / recover dirs; files etc. Worth gettiing to know.
:) Got Simply Mephis DVD going (one from a magazine cover)... looks geat! - but. Has. OOorg 2.02, which does not have the fix for M$ filenames on Samba shares.
Known bug on early 2 series OOo (all OS versions); if you have a Linux box offering a FAT32 style Samba mount, OOo can't cope with the allowed filenames (embedded spaces I suspect cause trouble) ...OOo refuses to attach to the file.
Tried it today with a file on my network server, reproduced the fault, can't use it. Most of my work is WP, so this matters to me. OOorg 2.03 fixed this issue.
Sorry to grindle ... but why oh why oh why [bites table, bangs head on wall, looses train of thought, takes an early lunch etc] do people ship non-current on major apps ??
Especially the ones I use. Hah!
21 • Comment from Lobster in very bad taste (by Shriramana Sharma on 2006-09-11 14:32:43 GMT from India)
[quote]Congratulations to Debian. Parents of the Ubuntu monster. Seed of the Knoppix contraption . . .[/quote]
Above comment by Lobster is in very bad taste. I too don't like a couple of the distros I tried. But that's no reason for name calling. I use Kubuntu and I think it's very lean and nice. Let's have less name-calling and more constructive criticism, if any is needed.
22 • Ugly new artwork from FC6 (by Caraibes on 2006-09-11 14:46:29 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Please, give us the bubbles back !!!
This new artwork is plain agressive & ugly...
It could be some gothic/satanist/heavy-metal cd-cover...
The FC guys can do much better...
At least, the bubbles theme were light, this one is kind of heavy and bad vibe...
my 2 cents, no offense to the FC artwork people...
23 • New Gparted (by Anonymous on 2006-09-11 15:04:13 GMT from United States)
Will it work with USB keys?
I think FreeNas didn't like my sandisk USB key.
24 • Fedora (f)artwork (by linbetwin on 2006-09-11 15:09:45 GMT from Romania)
Seen the screenshots. Mmmm.... scrupulous attention to detail... very professional... BUT IT'S BUTT-UGLY! They can't see the forest because of the trees. The design is ugly. Bordeaux looks childish and somehow schematic, but this DNA thing looks sado-masochistic. It's like the pipes screensaver. They should call it macaroni.
25 • FC6 Artwork ? ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww (by Rohan Dhruva on 2006-09-11 15:12:41 GMT from India)
Great issue of DWW as always !
However, I must say, both the Kubuntu and FC6 artwork are DISGUSTING. The color choice of Kubuntu is plain "dirty" ! Well, it is atleast usable.
However, the noodles artwork of fc6 is real ugly. I can't even think of using such a gaudy theme. Come on fc-artwork team, buckle up ! You've been giving us power artwork from fc5 .. :(
26 • FC6 theme & Debian Etch (by PetterAH on 2006-09-11 15:39:15 GMT from Norway)
Hi all, I agree with #22. I don't hate the new artworks, but IMHO the bubble theme was better than the new candy theme.. looks like blueberry candy. Whats wrong with the old bluecurve theme? It looked far more professional and "clean".
About Debian Etch, this release, and Slack 11, Im really looking forward to. I have been using Debian for a long time, and had some slack installations, and I think its the best of the best (hehe) of linux software. I do like ubuntu too, but I prefer the nature of pure Debian, where I can customize everything :)
Keep up the good work on the DistroWatch Weekly
27 • Many languages - one voice (by Lobster on 2006-09-11 15:50:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
" . . . comment by Lobster is in very bad taste"
Everything has a name. How one culture interprets praise another interprets with a different name. I praise Debian for its ability to create. I praise it for its ability to evolve. A 'monster hit' means it is big - a good thing. A contraption is a useful device.
'Lean and nice.' Yes, excellent. We will all be greatful for that constructive comment. Personally I find such comments bland and therefore tasteless . . . Boring!
It seems that we have a variety of Ubuntus. People love them. Debian as one of the most influential distros is influenced to change. Always a good thing. My comments are like distros. Not for you. Move along.
Meanwhile I shall praise Debian in my own way and you will find it as you find it . . .
28 • FC6 art... (by wam on 2006-09-11 16:14:53 GMT from United States)
I like it..Its very diffrent. Its not he same old boring look as some of the other distros have. Way to go Fedora!
29 • Fedora Core 6 Artwork Looks Good (by Greg on 2006-09-11 16:21:33 GMT from Canada)
I think the new artwork looks good. I think it also doesn't matter. It isn't ugly to anyone I have shown it to. They should change it to something ugly, to fight this opinion that every thing has to be pretty. If you want to see ugly, look at me. I'm still a fine person, despite it, maybe better because of it.
Oh, I will say it again: It doesn't matter. Machines are tools for most people. We just want to find information or do some business online, like book a airplane flight. For those that can't take the ugly things of the world, you can change your artwork.
P.S. Ugly guy thinks ugly artwork looks good :)
30 • Re. 22 (by UZ64 on 2006-09-11 16:53:28 GMT from United States)
"It could be some gothic/satanist/heavy-metal cd-cover..."
What the hell is wrong with Satanism and heavy metal?
I think it looks pretty nice. Nice and clean, and dark... which is a nice change from the sky blue crap we always see on desktops. Sure, blue is nice, and it's a nice color to stare at all day, which is why it's used so often. But what's a break from that going to hurt? Seriously?
It always gets on my nerves when someone bitches about artwork, "Oh no!!! It's too dark! Change it, it's evil!!!!11!!11 If I attempt to install it, it might summon evil spirits in my house!!!11!!!!11!" Seriously, grow up. Just because it's dark and maybe a bit futuristic doesn't mean it's Satanic or gothic. It's people like you that prevent nice, *DIFFERENT* designs from ever being released as a part of an operating system. Therefore, causing the rest of the world to have to stare at the same damn blue screen.
I gotta give props to Fedora for this design, and to Kate OS for the nice design of the previous Kate OS 2.3, for at least making an attempt to break away from the same old crap.
31 • Reply to Weekly News (by Greg on 2006-09-11 17:11:00 GMT from Canada)
Debian Etch Praise
I like Debian. It is good they are making things easier, and keeping more up to date.
Mandriva 2007 RC
I tried this out. I got to say that it seemed buggy for a RC on my machine. I read the known issues, release notes and change log. I still don't know what was going on. I couldn't figure out what to bug report. I hope others have more bug reporting skills.
Fedora Core 6 Status
Only bug fixes and some changes to artwork? Sounds like it will be ready on schedule. Hopefully it will be.
GParted Live CD
Very useful to be able to move partitions, but you still have to make backups.
Sounds like a pretty good book. Good choice to do one on Ubuntu now. Suse would have been better for a book, but their release had difficult bugs to work around in 10.0.
32 • Re: 30 (by Greg on 2006-09-11 17:18:47 GMT from Canada)
Plus "dark and maybe a bit futuristic" sounds nice for a change.
33 • FC6's New Look (by Justin Whitaker on 2006-09-11 17:41:58 GMT from United States)
I like it: it's dark, but sort of futuristic-cool. I hope they don't change it at all. That's going to look very slick with GNOME.
Now, I suppose you could say: that ain't very corporate....well, maybe corporate players should be looking at RHEE not Fedora, the cutting edge test bed.
Kudos to both Fedora, Kate, and anyone else that says: why do we need another cookie-cutter desktop.
34 • FC6's New Look (by Derek Dillon on 2006-09-11 18:36:16 GMT from United Kingdom)
I like the new look. If anybody doesn't like it, it's easily changed, so whats the big deal? Oh yeah and goths are sexy and heavy metal is most excellent :-)
35 • Debian Etch (by sweetnjguy29 on 2006-09-11 18:58:55 GMT from United States)
I really hope that Debian Etch will give Ubuntu a run for its money!
36 • Debian and Ubuntu and complementary projects (by Hello on 2006-09-11 19:39:13 GMT from United States)
I like both Debian and Ubuntu (I love Debian, and thoroughly enjoy using Ubuntu on my laptop. Ubuntu has been rock solid and fun to use). We needed someone to take the outstanding work of the debian project and make it more accessible and do so in a community oriented way (in contrast to other debian-based projects like Xandros, Linspire that were not very accessible and partly proprietary. I also found Mepis to be less than accessible with their project-specific source code), which is exactly what Shuttleworth and the Ubuntu team did.
Debian needed Ubuntu, much as Ubuntu needs Debian. They go hand in hand, since Ubuntu still works to keep as compatible as possible, based on my experience, and interesting projects like the "Debian Live CD" that I posted above draws upon Ubuntu's work and experience.
37 • Debian Etch (by Anonymous on 2006-09-11 20:12:31 GMT from United States)
I hope they have a grey screen with a red border theme! :)
38 • FC6 wallpaper (by Ariszló on 2006-09-11 20:26:35 GMT from Hungary)
I prefer it to the FC5 bubbles which are quite kitschy to me.
39 • Re 36: Debian & Ubuntu complementary projects (by rglk on 2006-09-11 21:20:14 GMT from United States)
"Debian needed Ubuntu ..... " I'm not sure what you're trying to say with that. Could you expand? I'm not trying to trick you into a flame war.
40 • Re 13: Debian Etch article by pekka (by rglk on 2006-09-11 21:29:33 GMT from United States)
Thanks, pekka, for this very informative article. Some real meat there, compared to the usual lightweight chatter in this forum. Please come back again.
41 • Zenwalk 3.0 is indeed very nice ! (by Caraibes on 2006-09-11 21:35:32 GMT from Dominican Republic)
well, yes, Zenwalk 3.0 is a hit, I am using it right now, and while I am doing it, I also remember last week's comments from Ladislav about Zenwalk being irrelevant... I guess I'll have to wait for Slackware 11 before pronouncing my last words about it...
Anyway, nice release...
Oh, and yes, I dislike dark themes, and I dislike /goth/satanist/bad vibration stuff, sorry, it is just the way I feel... Give me a lighter theme any day...
My friendly regards to you all, and thumbs up to ladislav for his good work at DWW !
42 • FC6 artwork not satanic/heavy-metal... etc. (by linbetwin on 2006-09-11 22:07:07 GMT from Romania)
I don't think Fedora's new artwork is either Satanic or heavy-metalesque or anything like that. The theme is DNA but in my opinion it's just plain ugly.
43 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-09-11 22:18:36 GMT from United States)
"Oh, and yes, I dislike dark themes, and I dislike /goth/satanist/bad vibration stuff, sorry, it is just the way I feel... Give me a lighter theme any day..."
Not liking something is one thing, but drawing such direct comparisons to Satanism, goth, and metal music to say how "bad" the artwork is to you is another thing completely. The so-called "evils" of Satanism are way overplayed and extremely inaccurate to begin with.
*loads a folder full of Emperor MP3s...*
As for Zenwalk, I agree with you and the other guys who said it's a hell of a distro. I've been keeping a close eye on it since 2.6, and used it quite a bit since 2.8, and now I'm trying to learn to use the command line to create and manipulate files. It's a very good learning distro. :)
44 • Hey thanks (by Ely on 2006-09-12 00:04:21 GMT from Philippines)
thanks 15 and 17, i also found out that i can fix it with grub-install command.
and about that ubuntu and debian talks: i like both debian and ubuntu. debian is the grandpa of ubuntu and debian is innovative. ubuntu extended the creativity of debian which seems to work. but ubuntu has also a good marketing strategy to make their distro this popular.
but not only the marketing works, also their community. their community is organized. community members and developers are nice. not like the debian community, they should work on organizing theirs instead of bashing and bashing other distro (ubuntu) which only shows jealousy (like a child).
45 • Linux acceleration , speed and speeding (by Nedeljko on 2006-09-12 00:38:53 GMT from United States)
"...this is possibly the most exciting period of the year..."
Despite the fact that I have four test boxes and approx. 20 hard-disks I can't keep in pace with what's happening in accelerating Linux world. Sloooooooooow down people!!! ( Just kidding )
Anyway, I fell like I'm kind of tired of having my hands on just about every distro spiking on Distrowatch lists.
So I have to stick with my current installations of fanthastic Fedora Core 5 amazing PCLinuxOS and phenomenal PC-BSD. I don't think I'll need anything else any time soon.
And this is what my PCBSD looks like :
~Fedora Core 6 artwork~
As you can see I like dark wallpapers but Fedora 6 artwork is outright blasphemous and vulgar. I see it's a DNA spiral but how come it looks like
slimy worm or mucoid secret. Thank Good there's Deviantart people
in charge of beautifying your desktop.
While I really welcome Zenwalk 3.o I still wonder why is it called an "operating system with a goal of being slim and fast" when it's not.
See minimum system requirement for running Zenwalk.
And just try PCLinuxOS to learn what real speedy distro looks like.
I'm runnin' it on 450MHz PII.
46 • Debian Etch (by nilb on 2006-09-12 00:58:07 GMT from Canada)
Yep, I was also pleasantly surprised by the Etch's new Just Works™ philosophy. I once had to install Ubuntu simply because I didn't have the time to fiddle with configurations. Now Etch has caught up. Only wish I have is that the default installation should not enable a bunch of unecessary services such as the mail agent exim4, portmap and a bunch of other things which only weaken the system's security coz let's face it the desktop user doesn't care about these things. Those who care should be smart enough to apt-get install and set them up. And this is not a weakness of Debian, its the same story with most distros.
47 • RE: #44 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-12 01:50:09 GMT from Italy)
"community members and developers are nice. not like the debian community..."
Huh? Still the age-old prejudice that the Debian community is unfriendly?
I have been a Debian user almost from the beginning and I have always found the Debian community very friendly and helpful, never a RTFM attitude like in other distros which I'll not mention.
48 • 47 (by AC on 2006-09-12 03:07:01 GMT from United States)
Most of the ire in the Debian community is directed at other developers. Debates are... vigorous.
49 • RE: #44 (by Misty on 2006-09-12 03:26:16 GMT from United States)
"have been a Debian user almost from the beginning and I have always found the Debian community very friendly and helpful, never a RTFM attitude like in other distros which I'll not mention."
I wish that had been my experience. It was bad enough to almost make me dislike Debian, but Debian itself was so good that I stuck with it (but if we'd had Ubuntu then...). Today, I'm a happy Debian-user but I will have nothing to do with the Debian community. Too many bad experiences.
50 • Zenwalk/ZenLive review (by rglk on 2006-09-12 04:04:48 GMT from United States)
I haven't put Zenwalk 3.0 through its paces as yet but I frequently run v. 2.8. I find Zenwalk a delight to use. It looks terrific, has a very well chosen set of applications, runs very fast and uses Xfce as a desktop environment which is a relief from the overloaded KDE and Gnome desktops. To me Zenwalk comes the closest to what I feel a nicely crafted, easy to use Linux distro for ordinary day-to-day tasks should be like. It handles like a fast and agile motorcycle compared to which distros like SLED 10, Fedora Core, MEPIS, PCLinuxOS, the Buntus etc. feel like clumsy and bulky SUV's. And just about everything works out of the box.
But let us not forget ZenLive, the live CD version of Zenwalk that offers everything that Zenwalk has plus some. It uses the Linux Live CD/USB scripts of Tomas Matejicek of Slax fame, and it can easily be installed on a 1GB USB flash memory drive as a live system, e.g. by using MySLAX Creator in Windows. The live install takes less than 10 min, and you wind up with a very fast, full-featured Linux distro that runs entirely off a little device that has the bulk of a U.S. 25 cent coin (e.g. if you use the SONY Micro Vault or SanDisk Cruzer Micro flash drives). It doesn't touch the HDD of the host system nor leave a trace anywhere on that system. Since you can plug it into and run it off any x86 system the BIOS of which is able to boot USB storage devices and that has USB 2.0 ports, you essentially have a personal Linux box there that you can carry in your wallet.
ZenLive allows you to save personal files and any customizations you made to the system on the same USB stick. Also, since the stick is formatted with the FAT32 filesystem, your personal files (text, html, images, data etc.) can even be read from within Windows. The ZenLive system takes up about 0.5 GB, that leaves around 500 MB of space for personal data on a 1 GB USB thumbdrive. Or you can use some of that space to add additional software to the ZenLive base install, in the shape of Slax-like modules.
Altogether, this is a terrific way to run a very attractive, sleek Linux system.
51 • Re post 46 (by Michael on 2006-09-12 04:19:44 GMT from South Africa)
Uhm it's common to have an MTA installed. Fedora will install Sendmail, Suse will install Postfix and yes Debian will install Exim. How else do you expect root to get mail from system daemons (cron, logwatch, etc)?
52 • 44, et al (by AC on 2006-09-12 05:20:46 GMT from United States)
Any who wish to engage the Debian community, read this and things will go far more smoothly. http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
The Debian community can be the most helpful around or it can be brutal.
I give props to Ubuntu for cultivating a more newbie-friendly atmosphere, though I am not much of a fan otherwise.
53 • no. 20 (by Ely on 2006-09-12 05:46:49 GMT from Philippines)
forgot to thanks 20, thanks. i didn't want to start the debian vs ubuntu debate, sorry! like i said, they're both awesome. there's just a difference in their community! but i guess that's going to change...
54 • 12 Debian live (by AC on 2006-09-12 08:46:54 GMT from United States)
The best part about this is they've created a streamlined way to create customized live CDs that takes existence of existing Debian tools. (Not to knock the modular approach of Morphix, et al). This is definitely cool
55 • Re: 30 (by Rob from Mt. Healthy on 2006-09-12 13:53:07 GMT from United States)
"I hope they have a grey screen with a red border theme! :)"
If they do, I'll have to replace my 17" crt with a flat panel LCD. Don't want to hurt my back picking the darn thing up to turn it over and shake it to reboot...
In all seriousness, I've been using Etch for a long time. It is great for the desktop. Even though I d/l and try many other distros on my various PC's, Etch is the one I refuse to remove to make room for the next one that catches my interest.
56 • Re: 55 (by Rob from Mt. Healthy on 2006-09-12 13:54:10 GMT from United States)
Oops, I meant to refer to #37, not 30...
57 • RE: #44 & #53 (by Anselm on 2006-09-12 14:14:51 GMT from Germany)
I'm sorry to hear that you've had bad experiences with Debian's community but my own experiences contradict with yours. I have used Ubuntu Forums http://www.ubuntuforums.org/ to search for help in my Ubuntu problems and Debian User Forums http://forums.debian.net/ to search for help in my Debian problems. All replies on both of these forums have without exception been very friendly and helpful. Neither have I noticed anyone being treated in an unfriendly manner on Debian User Forums, so I must conclude that the reputation of Debian community giving RTFM answers to new users' questions is highly exaggerated.
One thing I've noticed, though, is that Debian developers occasionally visit Debian User Forums (and I think that these forums are actually run by Debian developers), but Ubuntu developers seem to keep away from Ubuntu Forums. Maybe that's just because there are more Debian developers than there are Ubuntu developers and Ubuntu developers are not paid to visit forums, so they have no interest or free time to do so. Nevertheless, this gives me the impression that Debian developers care more about the needs of their users.
Maybe because of the above reason, there also seems to be a wider gap of communication in the Ubuntu community between users and developers than there is in the Debian community. Ubuntu developers have made it very difficult to modify the default Ubuntu desktop. For example, you cannot easily remove laptop support if you don't need it and there are also many other similar annoyances. Many users have complained about this but Ubuntu developers are very stubborn and refuse to make the Ubuntu desktop easier to modify. Debian developers seem to be more open to the idea that users may want to modify the default desktop setup. This kind of things tend to affect how you experience the general community atmosphere in different distros.
Another, and maybe more concerning, issue that I've noticed is that new Ubuntu users are often too smug about their favourite distro's popularity. These new Ubuntu users like to visit the forums of other distros and tell how bad these distros are and how wonderful Ubuntu is. I think that this is a wrong way to advocate Ubuntu and it's quite understandable that this kind of rude behaviour creates hostility towards Ubuntu among users of other distros.
58 • 57 (by AC on 2006-09-12 14:43:58 GMT from United States)
It's particularly worth noting that the bashing goes both ways. I've seen, if anything, more bashing on the part of Ubuntu users.
59 • Re: #51 (by nilb on 2006-09-12 15:59:30 GMT from Canada)
Like I said the problem of default daemons is not only that of Debian. It is also present in other distros. And its not just about MTAs, among other things you can see a couple of RPC related services, which as a desktop user one shouldn't care about. And let's face it those installing a desktop are unlikely to even know what these daemons do.
Now, when it comes to notifications to root I highly doubt it is necessary to have these sent to an e-mail from a desktop. For a desktop user it would suffice to have logs written locally in root's home, or even, if you like appended to root's mail file. I think those who need such functionality (remotely managed servers) can set up these daemons as they should know why they need to them. Having MTA's running locally by default justs results in a less secure system at the mercy of spammers and buffer overflow attacks, if the daemons are discovered to be vulnerable.
Lately I've been watching traffic going into my network and you would not believe the number of port scans going to port 25.
And another thing, even if you know you don't need an MTA, in debian you just can't uninstall it because it is required by a bunch of system services.
Lastly, in a default ubuntu there is no sight of exim4 or sendmail. But there too there were a couple of services I had to disable.
60 • The Hacker's escape continued (by Bill Savoie on 2006-09-12 17:47:05 GMT from United States)
It was sad to see the open struggle CDRecord (Jörg Schilling)
http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/cdrecord.html is having with the rest of the world. Statements like "Warning: do not use Debian binaries as they include many Debian specific bugs and still do not run correctly on Linux-2.6" and "Both RedHat and SuSE publish bastardized and defective variants of cdrtools in their distributions". It seems Jörg is fighting the whole world. He doesn’t seem to want to resolve the conflicts he creates. Rather than accusations, he could have identified a simplified example of how the code is wrong. So the energy would end up making a better CD recorder, rather than getting stuck in anger. It is almost as if Anger seems to come easily to smart people. Maybe Hackers escape the need to communicate? That Hacking is even some kind of therapy?
Note the difference between open and closed code development. Are the people involved in both systems different? No, both have dictators, but Open Source doesn’t get stuck with dictators. They just fork and move on. The recent ‘cdrkit’ fork by Debian, driven by CDDL license. vs GPL license issues, is an example. This feels more civilized to me. The code continues adapting and evolving, even if the original person gets stuck in anger.
61 • FC6 Artwok (by Kensai on 2006-09-12 19:19:09 GMT from Puerto Rico)
I liked the FC6 artwork, and I laugh to those that says it is ugly or they don't like it, can't they just change a wallpaer? or are they angry because at boot you have to see the new artwork for 10 seconds? The people that said the new Fedora Core 6 artwork is bad are just ....... fill in the space with many words yourselves guys. ;).
62 • This issue is Mild (by Larry on 2006-09-12 21:53:34 GMT from United States)
This is a tame issue of DW. Where did all the Christian bashers go?
63 • RE: # 57 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-12 22:14:25 GMT from Italy)
I also agree 100%.
I find it especially true that Debian developers care about their users: you notice that also in many Debian derivatives.
64 • The arch64 0.7.2 cd was released. (by Anonymous on 2006-09-13 00:23:06 GMT from Canada)
The arch64 0.7.2 cd was released. Get it on the download page.
This was announced on Arch Linux Newsletter
65 • No subject (by 1c3d0g on 2006-09-13 10:32:01 GMT from Aruba)
#62: they're all begging for forgiveness right now, after they've realized how wrong they were.
66 • Trixbox -> Is the new install still broken? (by Bill Savoie on 2006-09-13 15:15:07 GMT from United States)
as per the Trixbox Distrowatch page ->IMPORTANT: The installation CD will erase the content of your hard disk(s) without any warning!
Is that still true for the new trixbox 1.2 release? or was that true for something older? Thanks DistroWatch for protecting us!
67 • What happened? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-09-14 11:29:35 GMT from Italy)
This morning I couldn't read this page. I was being redirected to Google. I tried with several browsers.
68 • FC6 artwork (by Antonio A. Olivares on 2006-09-15 03:55:06 GMT from United States)
Comment by #61 is right on the money. If you do not like the artwork, change it!! it is as simple as that. Whatever wallpaper/icons come up, people will critize anyway. Fedora is looking great. If it bothers anyone just change it. If you do not like the splash screen, just remove quiet rhgb and take a look at all the services that are configured for your machine. Fedora is great!!!
69 • re : 68, FC6 artwork (by Caraibes on 2006-09-15 12:21:34 GMT from )
Yes, you are right, every one can change icons, wallpapers and window deco...
Yes, Fedora is one of the best, I am a Blag user, which is basically Fedora, so I agree 100%...
But that doesn't mean I can't express my view if some piece of artwork is being presented... We all know we can change it, that is irrelevant. As a matter of fact, most users tweak the look & feel of their desktop.
This was just a comment about the artwork... I don't like it, but that doesn't mean I don't like the distro, nor that I won't use the distro...
Well, anyway, I only use Fedora thru Blag, so it is irrelevant, but I wanted to post today to make a point about the right to comment on artwork, and the fact that it has nothing to do with one's ability to change a wallpaper...
Friendly regards to all !
70 • Red Hat vs Novell (by myth on 2006-09-15 23:31:45 GMT from )
even Gartner has a rating/comparison between the two
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