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1 • No subject (by Mark South on 2006-01-30 06:37:39 GMT from Switzerland) |
Great news that the Symphony project is making tangible progress. In a world where many Linux distros are converging on a uniform mode of operation, it's a good thing that there are some pushing the boundaries and making things work differently. All power to the Symphony team.
And thanks as ever for Distrowatch and especially Distrowatch Weekly!
2 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-30 06:41:35 GMT from United States)
Thanks for the news about Morphix. I'd add there are actually several new modules available for building your own ISOs.
Some news I posted this weekend, for those who missed:
Cool news for anyone interested in the trials and tribulations of GNU/Linux installation.
3 • Nice!&Happy Spring Festvial! (by Tang Cong on 2006-01-30 06:45:46 GMT from China)
Opensuse is a really nice distro.
And it works fine with my T43,now I have already dropped the MS Win.
I'm a Chinese middle school student,we Chinese seldom use Linux,but I love free,really.
Now,it is the Spring Festvial.
Happy Spring Festvial,春节快乐!
4 • Great Issue (by Rajiv Battula on 2006-01-30 07:18:50 GMT from United States)
Hey Ladislav, GREAT issue like always. Good to hear something from Symphony after it being a little quiet. Also its nice distrowatch.com giving some recognition to international distributions. Thanks again for your effort.
5 • Demise of rPath? (by Tuxfan on 2006-01-30 07:45:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Tragic news about rPath. Shame that they sold out to venture capital. Their business model is intrinsically wrong. Klaus Knopper showed everyone how to do it. Not too late to give back funds?
6 • VLOS (by RobNyc on 2006-01-30 07:45:40 GMT from United States)
They didnt mention VLOS thats sad
7 • Symphony's Messo should be focused (by John Gallias on 2006-01-30 07:49:23 GMT from United States)
I like what I see from Symphony, but I feel like it would accomplish a lot more by focusing on Messo ALONE. Developing an Entire OS seems like more work than nessesary in order to push the ideas that Symphony is attempting.
Messo on Ubuntu anyone?!
8 • I like your reportage on distributions, keep it up (by Ken Yap on 2006-01-30 08:11:41 GMT from Australia)
I'm happy to see that Linux is making a difference in places like Iran where precious funds should be conserved for the benefit of the people and to employing locals.
At a Linux.conf.au keynote, Mark Shuttleworth talked about taking tools for distributed version control to the next level where change sets could be freely mapped between distributions instead of requiring manual effort to port between distributions. This would take cooperation between distributions further and address issues of distro differences. We have so much more in common than we differ. When people work together, there will be a way forward.
9 • VLOS (by 1c3d0g on 2006-01-30 09:49:10 GMT from Aruba)
"They didnt mention VLOS thats sad"
Why is it sad? Ladislav can't be on top of everything...what's your problem? Gheeez. :-/
10 • dw (by terry lynch on 2006-01-30 10:06:02 GMT from Ireland)
thanks again ladislav! , very interesting as always. symphony looks like it could be a great distro best of luck to the devolopers, best wishes, terry.
11 • SLAX (by Tom on 2006-01-30 10:15:10 GMT from Belgium)
SLAX "Download" link point to ultima linux (it's the same for the announcement some days ago)
12 • SLAX Link (by Andy on 2006-01-30 10:48:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
Noticed that too. Here's the correct link:
13 • KDE 4.0 (by Fut21 on 2006-01-30 11:32:53 GMT from Denmark)
Wow nice mockups/screenshots, i can`t wait for KDE 4.0
14 • Symphony / Mezzo on Ubuntu (by amd-linux on 2006-01-30 11:34:57 GMT from Germany)
I agree with you - I have no idea why every developer needs to re-invent the wheel for the 500st time.... Mezzo looks very promising but there is absolutely no need to base that on top of a new distro.
That is one of the few remaining issues beginners have with Linux - hundreds of flavours, hundreds of maintainers and no overview - even with useful sites as Distrowatch.
If we could only join forces of all developers for 1 year and focus on the Top 5 distros, Linux as a whole would be light years ahead of MS or Mac OS X.
So I also support Mezzo being developed on top of Ubuntu or another very popular distro and being marketed as a new desktop instead of a whole distro.
15 • Symphony OS (by Flavio de Oliveira on 2006-01-30 11:41:29 GMT from Brazil)
I must say Symphony OS is one of the most innovative distro around the world and the development team has no fear to make a distro not usual... It's the same idea we do on GoblinX.. a different desktop because Linux is different...
I hope new Slax goes on make success because Tomas is a friend and I try help him the most I can... also I'll try test later another Slackware based interesting distro, Vector Linux... two Slackware based distro in the same week, very nice...
16 • 14 (by Anonymous on 2006-01-30 12:25:48 GMT from United States)
zzzzzzzzzzz. sigh. The greatest forces holding back GNU/Linux are hardware, protocols, and formats that are proprietary and system integrators who won't ship boxes with GNU/Linux installed because that would lead to the monopoly software vendor in Redmond taking away the good deals they get on OEM versions. GNU/Linux would not make dramatically greater progress if there were fewer distros. That suggestion assumes that 1. the skills and interests of developers translate readily from one set of activities to another, 2. that the disagreements that led to forks in the first place wouldn't actually lead to counter-productive quarreling rather than increased productivity from working together, and 3. that the big obstacles to GNU/Linux in terms of technological and market success are a simple matter of man-hours. I don't see any basis for any of those assumptions.
I tend to agree that there's little point in developing an entirely new distribution in order to develop a desktop encironment. But I hesitate to even agree with that entirely. For example, the ROX desktop and related technologies are claimed by their developers to work best using directory structures that disagree with the FHS and therefore with the established policies of many distros. So maybe for their ideas to really shine, they need a distro of their own. I don't follow it closely enough to say. And I know even less about the specifics of Mezzo. But I wouldn't rule it out.
17 • As a Developer... (by Dark Leth at 2006-01-30 12:39:03 GMT from United States)
For Symphony OS, I suggest you read our forums to see why we believe in having a whole operating system, not just a desktop enviroment. We want anything branded Symphony OS or Mezzo to just work, plain and simple. This amount of intertwined functionality would not be apparent if we made Mezzo YADE.
If you don't understand what I am saying, head over to our forums. Plenty of posts (around 15 topics at lest check) about this particular subject.
18 • KDE 4.0, Symphony (by Mark W. Tomlinson on 2006-01-30 12:51:45 GMT from United States)
Err - sorry, but some of the screenshots from the second "here" link in the KDE 4.0 bit seem to be GNOME (i.e., the GIMP screenshots). Unless someone has an interesting sense of humor...
I love some of the concepts found in the Symphony/Mezzo project - any new ways of looking at the UI (successful or not) are exciting. I must agree with other posters, though - wouldn't it make more sense and be quicker in development to bas the UI work on an existing distro?
Thanks again for the good work, Ladislav!
19 • Speed of Development (by pp on 2006-01-30 13:50:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
Having had a look at the new KDE4 screenshots again reminds me:
The speed of development in the linux world is astonishing! Every single year brings major innovations, improvements in design and leaps in vendor support. To be honest, I think every quarter brings big positive surprises.
This is why I just love using Linux and checking out Distrowatch every week.
Linux is simply the arena where things are happening now. That's all I wanted to say, thanks. Let's keep it rolling!
20 • Morphix (by debfan on 2006-01-30 14:17:35 GMT from Finland)
It's very good news indeed that Morphix is still alive and what's even better is that they're now planning to release a Window Maker GUI module. Window Maker is a cool light-weight windowmanager with an in-built graphical config utility and I've often wondered why there are so few live-cd's using Window Maker. Morphix is based on my favourite distro, Debian, and now that it also uses my favourite windowmanager I'm certainly going to give it a test drive as soon as they'll get the new release out. : )
21 • TO EVERYBODY! (by XuCanHao on 2006-01-30 14:19:32 GMT from China)
Happy New DOG's year!
22 • Varied topics (by William Johnson on 2006-01-30 14:43:24 GMT from United States)
Excuse me, but recent statements by the president of Iran
have engendered in me a feeling of disgust with anything
Iranian, so i have absolutely zero interest in that distro.
Next, yes there are too many linux distros out there. I say that because, having an intermediate level of linux knowledge
as i do, i am unable to install many of them. Still others are
so shoddy and bug ridden that i have often said to myself
"i would have more pride than to put something that bad out
there with my name on it". So a newbie picking the wrong
distro by happenstance would be turned off to linux forever.
The latest figures i read recently had linux desktop usage
at 3.3%. It is destined to stay in single digits in the present
On the other side of the coin, it is a wonderful feeling finding
a trully stellar distro like PCLinuxOS .92 which you can use
easily everyday, totally subplanting Windows on my PC.
Keep it up Tex.
23 • Symphony and Focus (by Ed Borasky on 2006-01-30 14:47:11 GMT from United States)
Well, I have to honor the developers of Symphony in their choice to "market" a full distro rather than just the Mezzo desktop. Like many open-source "volunteer" projects, the pace seems agonizingly slow and focusing on just Mezzo would have been my choice if it were my project.
But it isn't. My projects are smaller and about other things than the desktop. Like most of us, I have my preferences, likes and dislikes, some of which you can find at
And I'm glad to hear Morphix is still alive.
Perhaps the list for 2006 will include SymphonyOS, although their dependence on Firefox might be a disadvantage. :)
24 • TO EVERYBODY! (by XuCanHao on 2006-01-30 15:09:01 GMT from China)
Happy New DOG's year!
25 • Re 22 • Varied topics (by x on 2006-01-30 15:54:33 GMT from United States)
I am sure that many Iranians are not in total agreement with what their president has to say. Are you 100% in agreement with President Bush? Did the US prevent many potential candidates from campaigning? You are not aware of internal issues and yet pass judgement on an entire group of millions of people based on the words of one man, whose small miniority rules an entire nation. Your opinion is not representative of the population of the US, yet there are some who could use this as an example of hatred and racism prevelant in America.
Not every Linux distribution is aiming at controlling the market or humbling the big M. Yes, there are a lot of choices, but most experianced users and reviewers will direct new users to a few options. Those seeking specific uses have options that are unavailable to them under other operating systems.
Since no one has the perfect answer to a desktop distribution, then let there be more development. The code is available to perfect under the terms of the GPL. If everyone only wanted one car, then there would only be one style, in one color from one company. Kind of like a certain proprietary software company in the northwest US.
26 • Tex, Iran, and bad things said (by lefty.crupps on 2006-01-30 16:20:14 GMT from United States)
Tex, just because the "President" of Iran made some very dumb, inaccurate, insensitive, insulting, and uneducated comments doesn't mean that we should cut out the nation and its population from our thoughts, our news, or our list-of-innovators. The current US President has said plenty of things with which I disagree (and I find uneducated and insulting), but that doesn't mean I'll stop following what Novell or SimplyMEPIS does, for example. Isolationist ideas like the one you posted lead to less understanding and increased radiacalism on all sides. FLOSS hopes to overcome a lot of software barriers for people worldwide, but we need to be open ourselves for this to progress.
27 • p.s. (by lefty.crupps on 2006-01-30 16:21:41 GMT from United States)
well done DDW, yet again.
28 • Re: 25 & 26 (by Andy Axnot on 2006-01-30 16:29:16 GMT from United States)
Agreed and thanks.
I think we want to avoid getting bogged down in political rants here.
Incidentally, I believe the "Tex" mentioned was a reference to Texstar of PCLinuxOS, who is doing a great job with his distro, but is not otherwise involved in this discussion, AFAIK. :-)
29 • Symphony OS, SLAX, etc. (by |TG| Mateo on 2006-01-30 17:52:55 GMT from United States)
Great writeup as always!
Symphony: the idea behind it is to have a completely new interface which makes using Linux easy. That means not only significant work on the firefox based interface, but the underlying system. SymphonyOS is not just Mezzo, but a host of other applications that eventually tie into...well, everything.
That said, the project is GPLed, and people have had success installing Mezzo/Orchestra on Ubuntu, Mepis, Gentoo and others. Knock yourself out.
Slax: Thomas rocks. The distro rocks. I just people would read the release notes. Not 5 minutes since the announcement, and the SLAX forums already had "where is the installer?" threads.
How about a SLAX based Mezzo distro?
Good to hear about Morphix. I hope they keep going! The one thing that keeps me from usingit for my own distro is that I can start with Knoppix or Kanotix and get to the same place without having to update the kernel, the Xorg server, the gcc chain, etc.....before remastering.
But that modularity is dead sexy!
30 • Iran Interview (by Anonymous on 2006-01-30 18:15:42 GMT from United States)
Would it not be grate if it was Linux that would bring nations together. Going beyond artificial borders and letting people realize that we are all just people. I think the great thing about Linux is the international effort that links all of us together. I think the Iranian interview was great! It is great to see the use of Linux all over the world. Do not get fooled by the politrics of the world. Leaders of most nations are idiots and at the very least are not in accord with the people. If we can build more bridges with Linux, who knows maybe we can stop some of the ridiculous tensions that are going on!
31 • To every Linux Lover (by Thomas Wang on 2006-01-30 19:24:37 GMT from Taiwan)
Happy chinese lunar new year from chinese Taiwan
32 • The Problem with VLOS (by Robzilla on 2006-01-30 19:56:05 GMT from United States)
I tried VLOS a couple of times and was impressed by the polish and performance of the distro but it had no programs. If I wanted anything useful I had to pay for the cd version. I have said many times that I do not mind supporting Linux software but I do like to try before I buy. Now you can emerge apps that you want and that is cool but I don't have a week to download the programs I want. Then there is Gnome. I di not see an option for KDE unless again I bought the version that had it. I could again emerge it but I don't have a month for that. So until VLOS offers a free version thatactually contains some useful programs and desktop chioces I think it will never be recognized at how good it may be. So I ask the VLOS team please give us a reason to buy your distro by offering a good free version.
My 6 pence
33 • PCLinuxOS? (by Gnobuddy on 2006-01-30 20:31:49 GMT from United States)
On the other side of the coin, it is a wonderful feeling finding
a trully stellar distro like PCLinuxOS .92 which you can use
easily everyday, totally subplanting Windows on my PC.
Oddly enough, PCLinuxOS 0.92 will not boot on the PC I tried it on - it freezes partway through the boot process, with no errors displayed. This happened with both nvidia7174 and generic versions (there's an Nvidia 5200 video card in the machine, along with an ECS motherboard with nforce3 chipset and a Sempron 3100 CPU). Knoppix, Mepis, and an Edubuntu install CD I tried on the same PC all boot up just fine.
Not to take anything away from Tex, I've used his RPM's for Mandrake Linux back in the day, but: one Linux distro isn't best for everyone, not even the PCLinuxOS you like so much.
It seems to be the nature of politics that ignorant racist boors often end up as "leaders", whether in the USA or Iran or anywhere else. It's not for nothing that the phrase "politics is the last resort of the scoundrel" was coined. We are best off ignoring these people and their ugly beliefs.
Thank goodness that Free and Open Source software is a meritocracy, where good code is more important than which country you come from.
34 • PClinuxOS (by postaldave on 2006-01-30 21:07:51 GMT from United States)
sorry to here it didn't boot for you but this is the first distro that worked for me. i've tried over half of the distros on distrowatch and every one of them failed in some way or another doing very basic tasks.
pclinuxos just plain works.
pclinuxos is beta and is way better then others i've tried claiming 4.0 or 10.2 release. someone wrote " i can't believe they put their name to some of the distros out there" i for one would be proud to have my name on this distro.
TEX is the MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
35 • Symphony OS (by Ryan Quinn on 2006-01-30 21:37:51 GMT from United States)
The Symphony article took me a bit by suprise. Build 122 that was reviewed had a few new features but was unstable as all hell. It was released without a release announcement primarially just for developers to get a look and help out.
As for Mezzo as a desktop environment rather than Symphony as a distro... Despite what many people think, it is actually less work the way we are currently doing things. We are building on top of KNOPPIX, an established distro and we do not have to support the quirks of multiple distros. That being said, we do currently release deb packages of Mezzo (which are in line with the latest official release; Beta 1 PR1 at this point) which work on any debian derivative (as far as i know) and will hopefully be releasing installable tarballs along with our next official release.
On another note, our Beta 1 release, which I still hope will be within a couple of weeks at most (We are currently on build 138 internally), will still include some tools and apps which will be in alpha (Desk Manager and Apt-Plus to name a couple) However I am confident that it will show a stability that has not been present in previous releases.
Great to hear everyone's comments, and once again a great week of DWW Ladislav, keep up the good work!
36 • Sayings... (by smartjak on 2006-01-30 23:54:06 GMT from United States)
Off topic but can't help myself.
The saying is "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel".
But with certain 'leaders' both would apply.
37 • Re: 33 • PCLinuxOS? by Gnobuddy (by nix_os_fan on 2006-01-31 00:14:50 GMT from Canada)
I have a Geforce FX 5200/128MB card and I used the nvidia7676 version. I get smokin' 85Hz (that's the highest my monitor can handle @ 1024x768). My guess is, freezing usually is a motherboard issue. I am on a P!!! 733 with an Apollo Pro chipset. No problems here. On the "other side of the coin", the beauty of open source is, you can keep trying a zillion distro's 'till you find one that works good. >:-]
38 • Re:33 and 37 (by Marc on 2006-01-31 00:37:34 GMT from Canada)
You read my mind, i don't think there is too much distro but
on the other hand can we say that there is too much different
Nah the more choice you have in distros, the more chances
something will fit your computer.
And if Ubuntu has been the leader right now, it's because
their hardware detection has surpased the others.
39 • SUPER (by George Bennett on 2006-01-31 02:41:32 GMT from United States)
hi. why don't yu cover anything about SUPER? Also, it would be cool if you covered HOWto's for the distros
40 • onomastics (by Nuno Zimas on 2006-01-31 03:10:08 GMT from Spain)
If my guess is accurate, the guy interviewed last week on DWW is evidently an ethinical armenian, though of iranian citizenship. There's a significant armenian minority living there for ages.
As to some of the political objections posted here on the iranian issue, pure rubbish. If we were to apply such "moral" criteria strictly, perhaps the US would be the 1st country to exclude, no matter how goodwilling its developers are.
Dunno honestly if to slander Zionism is worse than lauching white phosphorus on civilian populations and keep on feeding us with lies the size of the universe ... But wait, what has this to do with our coomon passion for unices?
About Texstar, his misfortuned positioning won't prevent me from keeping on spreading PCLOS, undoubtfully THE OS for linux noobs/newbies.
41 • Canine Capers (by JAG on 2006-01-31 03:24:26 GMT from United States)
Hey guys! Check out the progress Barry has been making lately...(specifically for Jan 30)...this stuff looks pretty cool!!
42 • RE: #32 • VLOS (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-01-31 03:33:27 GMT from Italy)
I am not a great fan of VLOS, or Gentoo for that matter (why compile when Debian gives me about 20,000 binaries?)
But VLOS has a great merit: it makes installing Gentoo dead-easy, complete with the most important apps to get you started (so you can emerge everything else in the background)
And please don't tell me that Gentoo has an (experimental) installer, because that is the worst piece of shit I have ever seen: it destroyed my main linux partition. And I am by no means the only one, I know at least another person who had the same identical experience: he is certainly not a newbie, with decades of experience with *nix
At least VLOS didn't try to reinvent the wheel, they use one of the best installers out there, Anaconda.
43 • Iran, & building a wall on the US/Mexico border (by Anonymous on 2006-01-31 04:21:45 GMT from United States)
Just because a person is from another country does not mean that they are no good. I had a professor at college that was from Iran and was one of the best professors that I ever had. He was an excellent instructor and many people did not want to take the class with him. We need to respect people from other parts of the world and join together. Linux is something that bonds many peoples together.
The US congress and the President want to build a wall on the US-Mexico border. Is this what they were against when they critized the Berlin Wall which divided the German people into East and West and were very happy to see it fall. What the hell is wrong with them?
Is there any KLAX beta release to check out KDE 4.0 before it comes out?
A salute to all the readers of Distrowatch.com and all countries around the world. Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris have a special place in our hearts.
I now see why many people from other countries are Anti-American. It is not fair. Not everyone is like that.
44 • RE: #22 Varied Topics. Tex taken out of conTex.... (by M'enfin!?! on 2006-01-31 04:27:16 GMT from Canada)
Hi, I have to correct what seems to be a misunderstanding (#26,#40), perhaps some people may have read a bit too quickly and misunderstood the last line from #22. The line reads : "Keep it up Tex." and NOT "Keep it up. Tex." Very different!! The period, or lack thereoff makes all the difference in the world. It is an obvious encouragement from a fan of the Distro, NOT a sign off, it was written by William Jonhson not Texstar of the PCLinuxOS fame.
On a different note, I was just looking at the FreeNAS webpage, looks interesting, will have to dig up an old machine to see what it can do...
Thank you Ladislav for another great read, I really like the 'New Distributions added to the waiting list', nice to see what's brewing out there.
45 • Firefox (by towsonu2003 on 2006-01-31 05:25:59 GMT from United States)
This is my first ever post, so be nice ;)
I am wondering whether we could have an interview with a developer of firefox about the differences between firefox in windows (fast and smooth for most) and firefox in linux (slower and buggy)...
Firefox is now used by so many distros, it could be considered as a package that is a dependency for those distros. In Ubuntu, for instance, almost everything depends on firefox. You just cannot "get rid" of it (as in IE in Windows).
So, hearing from the developers about how they perceive linux vs. windows would be interesting as that will relate to many distros which use firefox.
46 • too many distros argument again (by Misty on 2006-01-31 05:56:25 GMT from United States)
"Not every Linux distribution is aiming at controlling the market or humbling the big M. Yes, there are a lot of choices, but most experianced users and reviewers will direct new users to a few options. Those seeking specific uses have options that are unavailable to them under other operating systems.
Since no one has the perfect answer to a desktop distribution, then let there be more development. The code is available to perfect under the terms of the GPL. If everyone only wanted one car, then there would only be one style, in one color from one company. Kind of like a certain proprietary software company in the northwest US."
You beat me to it, x. I don't want to start a flame, but this "there are too many distros" argument.... with that attitude there would be no Ubuntu or PCLinuxOS, among a number of other good distros. Not to mention specialist distros. Linux uses the GPL to allow freedom of choice, and that choice includes coming up with your own distro if you want to. I know the amount of choice seems a bit overwhelming to someone coming to the *nix world from OSX or Windows where the developers specifically tried to give you little choice, but this is part of what the GPL is all about.
47 • RE: #45 • Firefox (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-01-31 07:23:25 GMT from Italy)
Actually my experience is quite the opposite,
For me it works a lot better in linux than in Windows.
As you probably are new to linux, you don't know that very much depends on the distribution.
In Debian Sid it works fine.
Which distro do you use? And which version of Firefox?
48 • Does anybody know Luminux Linux? (by huyichen on 2006-01-31 11:30:31 GMT from China)
Does anybody know Luminux Linux?
49 • DistroWatch Search Failure (by Ariszlo on 2006-01-31 14:58:41 GMT from Hungary)
This search doesn't find Onebase or Fox Desktop:
50 • Linux PLease (by Scott Wilson on 2006-01-31 15:22:04 GMT from United States)
I do find it interesting that one operating system based upon a kernel that will work across platforms, works across many racial, political, and religious, financial lines. Every Country has a past to be proud of and ashamed of, but enough of the political discussions.
Novell's poll is interesting, we can kind of get an idea on what is missing from Linux to cause people to forsake MS. Sure we have open source look-a-like or copied versions of certain applications. In the Phoenix area, many small business seem to use Quickbooks, I can move a few of my customers to Linux in a heart beat, but they have used Quicken or Quickbooks for years. How about for the USA tax software, like Turbo Tax or Tax Cut. I don't remember seeing Office listed, but the site seems to be down this morning, A plot! perhaps. ;-)
Which bring me to a point where I think the distros are missing it, Yes many people in the US have a broadband connection, but almost all of the people I service ( I work for A Computer Services company) people will go to a retail store and buy any software OS or Application that they need. Something about purchasing software and having to download it, I find many people don't trust this process or really want to have a Disk laying around just in case something happens.
By the way Happy 2006 the year of the Dog for our Chinese friends!
51 • Firefox in Linux (by Zilla on 2006-01-31 18:26:47 GMT from United States)
I would have to say that in my experience Firefox is much faster in Linux. In Windows it is fast too but like lightning in Linux. If you are using a Debian clone like Mepis you might want to type about:config in the browser and then return. It will give you a long list. See if the turbo function is on. If it isn't double click it and it will turn on. Then download the fasterfox extention. Go to extensions then click get more extensions then install fasterfox. If you are using a non-debian Linux distro I do not know what to say.
Firefox in Linux rocks! Simply the best and fastest browser out there! There are a few others like dillo and Opera you may want to check out.
52 • Waiting list (by Dimitri on 2006-01-31 18:56:13 GMT from United States)
Forgive my ignorance (and laziness, if this info is somewhere on the site), but does a distro qualify to come off of the Waiting List?
53 • Waiting List redux (by Dimitri on 2006-01-31 18:57:39 GMT from United States)
That is, how does a distro qualify to come off of the Waiting List?
54 • Firefox in Linux (by Steve Tose on 2006-01-31 21:16:16 GMT from United States)
I use Firefox and Opera in Fedora Core 4 and have also had speed issues with FF. I will try #51's suggestions, but Opera 8.51 and FC4 are blindingly fast for me.
55 • general comment (by Brian on 2006-01-31 22:39:09 GMT from Australia)
Thanks for your service, I check out your publication almost daily, even if to get a brief on yet another distro.
I am currently a fedora fanatic, as they were the first I found to support amd64 mobile cpu. I am waiting for core5 hoping that it will resolve SD card reader access & some other minor likes but not needs.
My hobby is digital photography, and work - Community Facilitator/Relations Management in remote regions of Papua New Guinea so portability and versatility are important, like the ability to play DVD's from all regions. also to play *.mov files (apply variety) from my panasonic dmc-fz10
It would be nice if distro's said we are targeting notebooks, pcmcia, x graphic controllers, y sound chipsets etc, sd and other mem card readers, core logic chipsets, 802.11g chipsets, mp3 audio, raw data (photography - camera make) and so on. At least a link for each distro where one can scan the thousands of brands/model numbers/chipsets that someone has tried and reported. If such exists please let me know nicely as often I look but dont see.
56 • More about 45 • Firefox (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-01-31 22:50:17 GMT from Italy)
The following might also help: go to /etc and look for a file called: "profile"
Add the following line to the bottom:
Save your change and exit.
This is taken from here:
And it works for me, not just with Konqueror.
57 • M$ takes over Portugal (by Nuno Zimas on 2006-02-01 00:24:46 GMT from Spain)
Firtst off, my public apologies for having misread and wrongly attributed one of the messages posted here on the "iranian affair".
Today is a sad day in my native witsy-bitsy country.
The Portuguese State has signed several monpolist-like agreements with Bill Gates, who went to Lisbon specifically for the purpose of sealing the tech slavery act, under the excuse of participating in an M$ sponsored conference.
While most european countries flirt with FLOSS, Portugal, mislead by a bunch of greedy idiots, takes on the opposite path.
The consequences of this pact will imply a practical ban on any other alternatives regarding software solutions in the public administration. It'll ALL stay under M$ control.
In the next 5 years, M$ will "bring" 1 million portuguese into THEIR conception of ICT's, meaning that most folks won't be given the slightest chance to know about anything else but Windowze/Vista.
Tough times await our local *nix community.
58 • RE: #58 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-02-01 00:54:09 GMT from Italy)
Sad for such a beautiful country and extremely nice people that I love so much.
59 • Mandriva (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-02-01 12:58:29 GMT from Italy)
[quote] The special release, named "Mandriva-2006-december-club" is now available via Bittorrent, with HTTP/FTP mirrors on request. The initial release is 32-bit and contains 6 CDs.
This new "Mandriva-2006-december-club" version is based on the 2006 version which turned out to be a great success, with several positive reviews. This special version is only available for Club members, you will not find it on the Mandriva Store or in other channel.
All the 2006 security updates and the bug fixes are included, no need to reinstall them afterwards. The updated Xorg graphic server corrects most of the known 2006 problems. [/quote]
Huh? What? I have just found out this and I am absolutely disgusted.
So while everybody else, both those who bought Mandriva 2006 and those who downloaded it for free are dealing with a buggy release which is getting outdated vey fast, Mandriva *quietly* releases an updated version with all the bugfixes and bleeding edge packages, for club members only, an elite of people with money.
Does anybody think this behaviour is in the true spirit of open source?
No wonder Mandriva is sinking faster than the Titanic while Ubuntu and SUSE are firmly established in the 1st and second place of Distrowatch H.P.D.
60 • More about #60 • Mandriva (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-02-01 13:21:08 GMT from Italy)
I want to quote some more from the same article:
[quote]You will enjoy a new Mandriva Club special December theme, as well as the latest gnome 2.12 release, and OpenOffice.org 2.0!
The 6 CDs regroup more than 4300 packages and all the proprietary drivers and plugins.
To get this "Mandriva-2006-december-club" - among other benefits - you need to be a member of the Mandriva Club. Mandriva Club accounts start at 11 euros / 12 USD per month.[/quote]
Now please notice that SUSE gives everybody all the bugfixes *and* new packages (new KDE and Gnome releases, OpenOffice, Firefox...) for free.
61 • RE: 54 • Waiting List redux (by ladislav on 2006-02-02 02:03:19 GMT from Taiwan)
how does a distro qualify to come off of the Waiting List?
There are no firm guidelines at the moment. When a distro is in demand (i.e. many people email me about it or it hits the headlines on other Linux sites), I'll add it to the database. Also, it helps if it has a professional looking web site, logo, interactive pages (mailing lists, wikis, forums...). In other words, if a distro looks like it's not going to disappear next week, it will be listed. The only limitation is my time, of which I never seem to have enough :-(
62 • Next Knoppix Release (by Jason Young on 2006-02-02 02:29:31 GMT from United States)
Does anyone know when the next release of Knoppix will be? I like to use it to see what is happening in the world of desktop linux. Currently my university has a deal with Microsoft called the MS Campus Agreement which is paid through a technology fee so my whole campus uses nothing but Microsoft because you can get copies of Windows and Office for "free" from the campus library. Personnally I could do without Windows except for Civ 4 (game), but I figure I've already paid for Microsoft software so I might as well use it.
Although my campus is currently changing their campus backend to run on Red Hat Linux clusters to replace our 1980's Unix mainframes. So hopefully they will implement Linux in other areas of campus such as a real e-mail system to replace Microsoft Office Outlook Web Access. I despise this system because it has horrible spam blocking and it doesn't work properly with anything other than IE.
Also does anyone know of any OSS solutions to replace Microsoft Active Directory. I think that AD is the main reason my campus is sticking with Microsoft cause all the IT people I know would like to switch to OSS cause it is less expensive.
63 • RR4 Linux 3.0b0 Unofficially Released (by Robert on 2006-02-02 06:22:45 GMT from United States)
RR4 Linux 3.0b0 hits BitTorrent network thanks to LinuxTracker.org . The official announcement will be made in the next hours.
64 • 63 (by Anonymous on 2006-02-02 07:15:51 GMT from United States)
Documents some of the issues surrounding Active Directory and Linux migration. It's a tricky situation and your colleagues are not alone.
Personally, you'd have to pay me to use Redmond's products. I don't care if they're free as in beer. I don't trust their security, their respect for my privacy and my fair use rights on copyrighted material, and of course, my right, if I own software, to be able to examine it and modify it and share it. Free as in beer is nice, so I can understand the "It's free, so I might as well use it", but think about Free Speech, not Free Beer. Read some of those EULAs, even if tthey are more tedious than any Unix man page. The terms are positively despicable.
I happen to use a distribution that is free in both senses, but if I had a choice between free Windows and RHEL at their rather exorbitant prices, I'd choose RHEL.
65 • PS to 63 (by Anonymous on 2006-02-02 07:19:25 GMT from United States)
Short answer is that Samba and OpenLDAP in conjunction are a viable replacement in most, if not all cases. But sorting out the details can be tricky.
66 • Karamad and GPL violation (by Anonymous Iranian Coward on 2006-02-02 17:33:07 GMT from Iran, Islamic Republic of)
It may be noteworthy that Karamad is not releasing the source code to the distribution, several parts of which are released under GPL, and Mr Mohammad Tashackori has stated that in person. It does not either follow the license of several other things, like images it has used for its desktop backgrounds.
As an easy example to confirm, the screenshot you have published at http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/karamad-1.4.2a.png
includes an image copyrighted by Wikipedia's Morwen, and release under GNU GFDL. But Karamad is not following the license and is not provided the derivative work under GFDL. It does not credit the original author either:
Another way to confirm this would be asking them for the source code to their work and not receiving it.
In short, Karamad is a huge copyright violation and a shame to me as an Iranian free software contributor.
67 • not KDE 4 screenshots (by truth machine on 2006-02-03 00:36:35 GMT from United States)
You wrote: "Finally, some mouthwatering eye candy of the much awaited KDE 4. The maintainer of the Planet Diaz web site has been collecting screenshots and mock-ups of the current development of KDE 4 and posting them in the site's forums to give us an early idea about the major new update of the popular open source desktop. From what we can see here and here, KDE 4 is going to be a radically different beast, with many interesting ideas being implemented as we speak."
Sigh. Just because some random yokel puts a bunch of images on his site and calls them KDE 4 screenshots doesn't mean that they are KDE 4 screenshots. It's sad to see a high quality reference site like distrowatch propagating such irresponsible misinformation.
P.S. "lovely background pictures with motives from ancient Persia" -- you mean "motifs".
68 • No subject (by truth machine on 2006-02-03 01:00:09 GMT from United States)
"Having had a look at the new KDE4 screenshots again reminds me:
The speed of development in the linux world is astonishing! "
Yeah, the speed of developing mockups with no software behind them is "astonishing". What's really astonishing is how readily people believe absolute nonsense -- like that these are KDE 4 screenshots, or anything that has ever come out of George Bush's mouth.
Even if we had real KDE 4 screenshots,they would tell us nothing about the speed of development, because the majority of the work is not evident in screenshots.
69 • PC-BSD (by Robzilla on 2006-02-03 16:17:12 GMT from United States)
Tried PC-BSD and I really like the project and development. There latest release candidate will now install on my laptop. My only problem is configuring X. It auto-configs x and it is an incorrect setting so I have a small screen in side my larger screen. I can configure x easily in Debian or Slackware or ussually most other Linux distros seem to auto-configure pretty well. Does anyone have any tips on configuring x on PC-BSD?? I have a Sony Laptop with an ati 8500 chipset, a wide screen laptop flatpanel at 15.4". I want to use PC-BSD! Also it seems to boot up slow. I know the BSD's are suppossed to boot pretty fast. Any tips, ideas would be appreciated!
70 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-02-04 03:09:24 GMT from United States)
I have used several Linux file systems and would like to know what people like the best? What do you use in your Linux OS and why. Ext.3,XFS,JFS, Reiser?
71 • RE: #70 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-02-04 09:32:17 GMT from Italy)
I use mainly Reiserfs, but I don't have many technical reasons.
Simply I have always used it and it does its job pretty well.
Some people say that the choice of a file system is more "political" than technical.
If you have a look at the history of Kernel support for Reiser4 it sounds indeed more political than anything else.
72 • Iran, & building a wall on the US/Mexico border (by Anonymous on 2006-02-04 13:57:55 GMT from United States)
Not everyone in the US sprouts from the same jelly pot. I'm an isolationalist myself and a bit of a pacifist so I would never lend my support to helping other nations beat off the monsters within and without.
The bottom line is this: Politics and Distros do not mix.
Long live Free Distros!
Now I'm going back to minding my own business.
73 • JASP (by Peter Blackburn at 2006-02-04 23:09:50 GMT from United Kingdom)
What is the point of an advert at the top of your page that when you click on any part of it says that you do not have the permissions to view this site. Dumb at the least
74 • Ref#73 (by welkiner on 2006-02-04 23:21:49 GMT from United States)
What is the point of an advert at the top of your page that when you click on any part of it says that you do not have the permissions to view this site. Dumb at the least
Your Client is blocking the add. As you said "Dumb at the least"
75 • RE: 73 • JASP (by ladislav on 2006-02-05 00:00:24 GMT from Taiwan)
It looks like the JASP web site is misconfigured. I've taken the banner out of circulation until it gets fixed.
76 • Pingwinek (by tonio on 2006-02-05 02:02:10 GMT from United States)
Pingwinek is an excellent linux distro. It is kind of hard to believe it is not one of the top 100 distros. It contains a full desktop and runs fast as a live cd. It detects most of the hardware and one of my only gripes is that it runs Mplayer1.06 intead of the latest try2 release. It contains OpenOffice, games and the gnome implementation in it is excellent. In the webpage, it says that pingwinek is not based on any one distro, so is a LFS kind of project?
77 • dead distros (by Anonymous on 2006-02-05 04:26:22 GMT from Italy)
ares and jamd distros seem non-existing.
78 • RE: #77 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-02-05 09:54:37 GMT from Italy)
J.A.M.D. was discontinued, sadly.
Ares never went beyond early development stages.
FoX Desktop is one of the the most credible J.A.M.D. successors, IMO.
79 • No subject (by Rendrex on 2006-02-05 15:21:41 GMT from Canada)
I am from canada and I like linux because it runs smother than Ms.
This is very Great site, and is looked at every day.
My favorite is Mepis.. I like this distro because everything is set up
already, and is small. .deb seems best :)
.................................................. my linux kicks ass!!!
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