| DistroWatch Weekly
1 • Happy New Year! (by IMQ on 2006-01-02 07:41:52 GMT from United States) |
2 • happy new year (by reddazz on 2006-01-02 07:42:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Happy new year all you opensource loving folk.
3 • Happy New Year! (by d00m3d on 2006-01-02 07:51:06 GMT from Hong Kong)
Happy new year to all open source developers and users.
Look forward to seeing another leap of success in Year 2006.
4 • Distrowatch weekly (by LinuxISO.co.uk on 2006-01-02 07:52:11 GMT from United Kingdom)
Thanks for another great Distrowatch weekly. If I had known about Cacti earlier it would have saved a lot of time :)
I tried one of the early Fox Betas several months ago and was quite impressed then, looking at the review of the release I am about to try that out. Could RPM based releases be taking the top spots back? Only time will tell.
Happy new year.
5 • Puppy (by klhrevolutionist at 2006-01-02 08:45:34 GMT from United States)
Puppy climbing ranks without commercial support very nice.
Great job once again ladi, hope you enjoyed the festive season. Don't be a stranger on the forum over at puppylinux.
6 • Happy new year (by Morten Juhl Johansen on 2006-01-02 09:05:57 GMT from Denmark)
Happy new year to the distro watcher and the Distrowatch watchers. DW keeps it's place as the central Linux reference point.
7 • mouse wheel (by solsTiCe on 2006-01-02 10:08:36 GMT from France)
i use my mouse wheel to switch desktop in kde. it is easier than to find the virtual desktop viewer and click on the right desktop
Happy new year al
8 • error ! (by solsTiCe on 2006-01-02 10:38:00 GMT from France)
if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/opt/kde/include -I/usr/lib/qt/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I `imlib2-config --cflags` -DQT_THREAD_SUPPORT -D_REENTRANT -Wnon-virtual-dtor -Wno-long-long -Wundef -ansi -D_XOPEN_SOURCE=500 -D_BSD_SOURCE -Wcast-align -Wconversion -Wchar-subscripts -Wall -W -Wpointer-arith -Wno-non-virtual-dtor -O2 -O2 -march=i686 -mcpu=i686 -Wformat-security -Wmissing-format-attribute -fno-exceptions -fno-check-new -fno-common -DQT_CLEAN_NAMESPACE -DQT_NO_ASCII_CAST -DQT_NO_STL -DQT_NO_COMPAT -DQT_NO_TRANSLATION -MT kompose.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/kompose.Tpo" -c -o kompose.o kompose.cpp;
then mv -f ".deps/kompose.Tpo" ".deps/kompose.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/kompose.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
kompose.cpp:88:23: kompose.moc: No such file or directory
make: *** [kompose.o] Error 1
make: Leaving directory `/tmp/build2yAseg/kompose-0.5.4/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: Leaving directory `/tmp/build2yAseg/kompose-0.5.4'
make: *** [all] Error 2
9 • Cacti - good choice! (by RyanM on 2006-01-02 11:18:13 GMT from United States)
A tool that will be appreciated more once all the people who need it but don't realize it yet figure it out already. And yes, primo design of its website.
10 • Overall hits per day (by Matt (TLMP) on 2006-01-02 11:20:19 GMT from United Kingdom)
Wow looking at the HPD for 2004 & 2005 looks as if interest in linux overall seems to be growing.... from 10,864 HPD in the top20 in 2004 to 15,286 HPD in the top20 in 2005.
I think 2005 was a great year for linux because there were lots of distributions making the installation process easy, and software management simple.
Im glad that Ubuntu has climed the way to the top of the HPD ladder..... i think this distribution is responsable for a lot of windows users making a switch over to linux full time...
Having simple to use linux distributions is a great way for users to build up the confidence in an operating system, and not throwing them straight into the deep end with a harder distro where they might just think "is all this effort to install/configure something really worth it?".
11 • Way to go Puppy!! (by Andy on 2006-01-02 12:05:20 GMT from United Kingdom)
Well done Puppy!! Looking at a top ten position for 2006. Well done to all those involved. This is what Linux is all about.
Happy new year Distrowatch. Keep telling us about those new versions and updates.
12 • Kompose (by Uncle Peng on 2006-01-02 12:14:56 GMT from Germany)
"Once you start using Komposé, you'll wonder how you've ever managed without it."
Exactly. I wonder how KDE users have managed so long without a decent desktop pager (that in GNOME and XFCE does what Komposé does in KDE). :-P
Happy GNU year!
13 • 2006 (by Andrew Hutchings on 2006-01-02 12:21:18 GMT from United Kingdom)
It is this year we will see how far Linux can succeed in the desktop arena. Vista will undoubtedly obsolete a lot of machines that are still quite powerful, on top of this it will be expensive for the minor gains.
I'm looking forward to some killer releases this year.
14 • LinuxIso.co.uk wrote... (by Popeye the Sailor Man! on 2006-01-02 12:29:02 GMT from United Kingdom)
"... Could RPM based releases be taking the top spots back? Only time will tell."
Nope! Unless rpm (commercial) distributors decide to create and support or maintain in common a universal rpm repository; but because eventually they all are companies and want only $MONEY$, debian-based distro (either commercial or not) will continue to achieve better ranking either individually or cumulatively.
Happy New Year!
15 • hit rankings (by pp on 2006-01-02 12:47:03 GMT from United Kingdom)
"As always, don't read too much into the numbers. They are provided for entertainment only and they almost certainly don't correlate with market share figures."
Just a little correction... They certainly correlate, but certainly don't correlate perfectly. Correlation is measured between 0 and 1, where 1 is perfect correlation (linear relationship) and 0 is no correlation.
16 • RPM vs. DEB (by LinuxISO.co.uk on 2006-01-02 13:16:06 GMT from United Kingdom)
I must admit I was a fan of RPM for quite a few years. Then I actually installed a distro using DEBs and have never looked back! :)
LinuxISO's server runs Debian, my home server runs Ubuntu-server and my laptop runs Kubuntu.
There are some distros around that would benefit greatly from a switch to DEBs.
17 • Komposé (by Julien on 2006-01-02 13:21:29 GMT from France)
I just wanted to correct something. The people behind Kompose didn't invent it "from scratch", as the news reports, but implemented what is known as expose in Mac OS X.
See : http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/expose/
Anyway, it's a good thing such a tool exists for linux ;). Happy new year.
18 • RPM Distros (by Anonymous on 2006-01-02 13:51:15 GMT from United States)
I haven't had any real issues with RPM distros. I'm using the PCLinuxOS Gnome Remaster off the GenieOS website and it's the easiest system to upgrade that I have found. Everytime I did a dist-upgrade on Debian or Ubuntu, something always seemed to break. When I do it on PCLOS, it all works fine.
19 • Puppy (by David on 2006-01-02 13:55:28 GMT from United Kingdom)
Right on, Andy. Seems that BarryK was working over the holiday for the benefit of us all and published Puppy v. 1.0.7 on New Years' Eve. This is what it's all about. Let's hope Vista proves the Kiss of Death for 'doze and all those accolytes.
Brilliant job again, Ladsilav (but your email portal keeps rejecting my missives).
Happy New Year all penguin lovers.
20 • link error ? (by pat on 2006-01-02 14:33:33 GMT from France)
Huh ? When i clic on http://distrowatch.com/images/screenshots/kompose.png
You don't have permission to access /images/screenshots/kompose.png on this server
21 • RE: 20 • link error ? (by ladislav on 2006-01-02 14:59:19 GMT from Taiwan)
What browser/OS are you using? Is anybody else getting this error?
22 • link error (by pat on 2006-01-02 15:28:11 GMT from France)
it's ok now.
usually i save DWW on my HD before reading
Maybe it is the explanation?
My config : Win2k + Firefox 1.5
23 • H N Y (by Rohan Dhruva on 2006-01-02 15:32:05 GMT from India)
Happy new year to you all :)
Great issue, ladislav, thanks :)
And no, i am not getting that error about that image on Konqueror in Kde 3.5 on arch linux.
24 • I can't live without it. (by Kensai on 2006-01-02 15:48:10 GMT from Puerto Rico)
Distrowatch weekly newsletters are an addiction for me. Anyways I was a Gentoo hardcore fan that always used Gentoo and nothing more. As time goes by I'm working studying and lots of things I have to do like giving time to my Girlfriend. So I wanted something n00b's friendly that would made me feel powerful at the same time. The answer was SuSE 10.0 man am I enjoying this distro? I love it. I have 10.0 fully upgraded with kde 3.5.x and firefox 1.5. I see this is the only distro I would buy, I think when 10.1 comes I'll buy it.
25 • Happy New Year (by ray carter at 2006-01-02 16:16:36 GMT from United States)
Just wanted to say 'Happy New Year' to everyone and thank Ladislav for performing a great service - I'd be lost without the news from distrowatch. I'll try out 'cacti' - I was not aware of it before. Interesting how our preferences change over time. Last year at this time I was firmly entrenched with Mandrake - even installed it on the public access internet computers at the local library (that project has gone very well, by the way - no complaints after nearly a year, a results of a customer satisfaction survey were better than you could ever hope - several patrons unaware they were not running MS); and using Gentoo on my mini-itx box. Today, I'm running (K)ubuntu on everything except the mini-itx - it's still using Gentoo. I really like the ease of upgrading with the Debian derivatives. Installed Ubuntu recently from the 5.04 CD and quickly and easily upgraded it to 5.10 kubuntu.
26 • Hit rankings (by BreMac on 2006-01-02 16:26:27 GMT from Canada)
Either way, the hits show a definite all-round increase, which means distrowatch is becoming more popular.
On another note, I wish we'd known about Cactai before... and that site ought to be in the web development textbooks (and references, and UI design guides... etc.). (Note to self - remodel own shabby-looking site.)
27 • H N Y (by Rohan Dhruva on 2006-01-02 16:34:12 GMT from India)
Happy new year to you all :)
Great issue, ladislav, thanks :)
And no, i am not getting that error about that image on Konqueror in Kde 3.5 on arch linux.
28 • Kensai wrote... (Just in the humour for teasing you!) (by Popeye the Sailor Man! at 2006-01-02 16:34:23 GMT from United Kingdom)
"The answer was SuSE 10.0 ... I see this is the only distro I would buy, I think when 10.1 comes I'll buy it."
So, what you're telling us is that once upon a time you were a man with IQ Gentoo and you have decided to downgrade yourself to IQ $u$E :-) .
I hope in the future you won't downgrade yourself further to IQ M$WinBlow$XP.
Come back to the light my son and don't try to hide yourself into the darkness! ;-)
My best wishes for a Happy New Year to the beautiful Puerto Rico!
29 • Kubuntu vs Mandriva (by Leo on 2006-01-02 18:11:41 GMT from United States)
Happy New Year to y'all !
I spent a few hours this weekend trying to setup Kubuntu side by side with Mandriva (my current OS). Here are a few thoughts:
* (K)Ubuntu is the future, Mandriva is the present. Both are TERRIFIC OS's
* (K)Ubuntu is more polished/integrated, Mandriva is more mature.
*(K)Ubuntu will keep growing its Mindshare at the expense of other distros including Mandriva. It has the open-ness of Debian, the user-friendliness of Mandriva, the professional polish of SuSE, the newbie friendliness of Mandriva/Ark/Mepis/YouNameIt. And it has some big cash behind, to start out strong.
But as I said, Mandriva seems all in all more mature than Kubuntu at the time. (Almost) everything works. And (almost) everything is configurable in the Control Center. Kubuntu is getting there, but not quite yet.
As an example, despite my experience, and several hours of work, I could not get the network to run (neither during nor post install). Ironically, the Live CD DOES configure DHCP properly through my router, and it does it automagically, as every other distro I tried. But the install version does not do it. No matter what. Another problem I had was that Grub does not recognize the / partition, it just does not load the OS. Fortunately I still kept the boot sector in another disk with Mandriva's Lilo. I load Kubuntu from there.
I wonder why (K)Ubuntu does not allow installation from the LiveCD, like many other distros do. You get the best of both worlds, and a "graphical" installer for free. Oh well.
Despite all this, the OS (Kubuntu's) looks more polished, more professional, better integrated to KDE and generally more thought-out than Mandriva's. Of course we are comparing great with greater, let me stress this one more time. Both are great options. But if I had to hand out a CD to a Newbie, right now it would be Mandriva. In a few months, it looks like it wlll be (K)ubuntu.
30 • expression of gratitude (by william johnson on 2006-01-02 18:28:02 GMT from United States)
As the new year begins, i would like to thank the makers
of PCLinuxOS .92 and Mepis 3.4 for providing the only
two distros that justify and enable me to use Linux as i
would Windows. Certainly if neither of these existed, i
would be using Windows on my AMD64 powered computer.
I listen to a lot of streaming radio stations who offer
Rush Limbaugh,Michael Savage,Mark Levin,and Laura
Ingrahm. None of the 64bit distros that i evaluated had any
Firefox plugins that would allow this. Where as both Mepis
and PcLinuxOs ,although being 32 bit, easily install and
function fully on my AMD64 system. With them i can listen
to any radio stream i want,be it Real Player or Media player
Of course if someone can point me to a 64bit distro with
full browser functionality, it would appreciate it.
Bye till next time
31 • Popeye the Sailor Man wrote... (Maybe you are right) (by Kensai on 2006-01-02 19:44:53 GMT from Puerto Rico)
Yes I am a gentoo lover and has always liked it an used it but, time changes and I don't have much time for gentoo now, and my sytem athlon-xp 2000+ can't affored to suffer more compilations. I put my system to arest with SuSE and I give myself a little more spare time. Gentoo was adicctive to me you know? I couldn't stand up from the pc screen as I always were inventing something new. Now I put all those things aside, I have to egt time to study work and my girlfriend. :)
32 • 30 (by Anonymous on 2006-01-02 19:47:59 GMT from United States)
You'll find that 32 bit versions of other distros also enable you to listen to right wing whack jobs. The problem is that in many cases the codecs just aren't available for 64 bit. Of course, Mepis and PcLinuxOS are noted for including the non-free codecs by default while you may have to do a bit more work with the others, even 32 bit versions. There's also a trick to running 32 bit apps with a 64 bit distro. Google "32 bit chroot". Then you get the performance of 64 bit kernel and the convenience of 32 bit apps when necessary.
33 • Re 30 and other waffle (by mikkh on 2006-01-02 20:15:34 GMT from United Kingdom)
If you want to listen to lots of streaming radio, try streamtuner
It has access to hundreds of stations and doesn't need a browser.
Ok, here's my new years honours list
Well first, a big thumbs up to distrowatch for promptly bringing up-to-date news and opinions on the latest distros to me and thousands of others
Best Distro (install only)
Vector Soho 5.1 (despite still having problems getting GLX to work)
Honourable mentions to OpenSuse and Conectiva, now sadly out of date since being swallowed whole by Mandrake - I'll miss you
Best Distro (live, but installable from the CD)
Joint first place for... PClinuxOS and Kanotix
Honourable mentions to Mepis and OneBase
Best Distro (live only, or as good as without extreme fiddling)
Honourable mentions to Berry and Elive
Best Micro Distro (sub 75 MB)
No honourable mentions, nothing comes close to puppy IMO
Biggest surprise of the year
Best Gnome only distro
Biggest turkey of the year
(dis)honourable mentions to Ark
Worst idea of the year
That one with the 3D desktop - sorry it just didn't seem natural
Most wasted time on one distro
34 • Kensai wrote... (31) (My humble objection) (by Anonymous on 2006-01-02 21:03:05 GMT from United Kingdom)
I don't lodge an objection to your very respectful choice of changing distro; but have you ever thought about insted of buying a commercial distro to download some other distro/flavour of your choice e.g. Debian, Fedora, FreeBSD, Kanotix, Knoppix, Kubuntu, Mepis, NetBSD, OpenBSD, OpenSuSE, PC-BSD, PCLinuxOS, Slackware, Ubuntu (in alphabetical order) and many other and donate this $60 to gentoo project/organisation which has already given you so much fan and used to be your girlfriend before you find a new one! Have you ever thougth about that Playboy? :-)
Hey, be careful, don't donate this $60 to your present girlfriend (that would be a great mistake! Remember me...) but to your ex-girlfriend named Gentoo! False LoverBoy!
When you find a new girlfriend, then you could donate to the present one! Hey, hey wait LADIES and gentlemen, that's a joke!!!
35 • About donations (by kensai on 2006-01-02 21:40:01 GMT from Puerto Rico)
I see the only reason I want to buy Suse 10.1 is because Novell is a company that had $61 millions in revenues this year from Linux. Not that much if you think about other companies. And if someone needs money to fight the giant company the one in redmond it is novell which has won cases against Redmond Company and has won demands of over 500 Millions to Redmond's company. I believe Gentoo has great donations by now. And aren't in that much of need since they are not an stablished company. When I get my AMD64 system I'll only have Gentoo and SuSE on it and yes after buying Suse my next donation will go to Gentoo.
36 • webcam, linux and IM (by Caraibes on 2006-01-02 22:16:10 GMT from Dominican Republic)
Hi folks !
It may not be the right place, but I am becoming very fond of video-conferencing with a mike, a webcam, some speakers, thru any kind of IM´s, such as Skype or Yahoo...
I dual boot PCLinuxOS and winxp. So far, it´s my only reason to re-boot to winxp, because Skype for Linux doesn´t (yet) support webcams, and neither Gaim nor Kopete...
Do any of you have an idea (appart from abandoning the video in IM, or waiting that Skype offers version 2.0 for Linux...) ???
Thanks in advance for your insights...
37 • sad to say (by Anonymous on 2006-01-02 22:52:24 GMT from United States)
its sad that people get so pesonal about choices
it time to start moderating this weekly
I hate to say this cause I love to read it
but people are over the line
Happy new year
38 • off topic, but... (by Darkbird on 2006-01-02 23:07:19 GMT from United States)
Russian's DO celebrate christmas, but they have it on the 7th of january
(Most are christians!)
39 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-02 23:13:56 GMT from United States)
I agree the new puppy 1.0.7 rocks for a USB distro.
Loaded it and played a troublesome viral Disney DVD no problem off a 256mb key in about 10 minutes.
Couldn't get the new DSL or MSNLive to fly on a new USB install, they would lilo "99" or black screen. Even when I tweeked the partitions on the key with Zenwalk 1.4 running cfdisk. I did get a exsisting DSL install to upgrade from 1.0.3 to 1.0.5. I could not find the specs for Mepis mini so I have not tried it yet. I got MandrivaMini to go on a 512mb card but was running with XFCE lite and Firefox only. There doesn't seem to be any good HD install distros that take less than 1gb any more and have some small useable apps other than the 60mb mini distros. I hope that puppy upgrades chubby puppy into this realm. I bet they could even slim down KDE into it.
Puppy just works and gets better. I wish it didn't always force to use swap and take the drive even when you chose HD install though. When it takes it as swap it won't let you install or the install doesn't load a boot loader (I'm guessing).
Speaking of swap, why can't all the distros play nice together and use the same seperate boot loader/boot partion and use a shared user and swap folder to save the settings and data. Why can't they add to a found boot loader instead of distroying the one on the first sector even when you tell it to install its own boot loader to the partion you installed the software on (RH) or hide itself from the other (Mandriva). Shouldn't rescue have a function for this? I'd love to have a APT-GET distro and a RPM based distro on the same box.
On the big size independent distros I agree, at the beginning of the year SimplyMepis was the better but at the end PCLinuxOS really suprised me.
SuSe is the only major distro I can never get to load, it either boot loops or hangs with a halt. The Live DVD is no better.
40 • Re: webcam, linux and IM (by Leo on 2006-01-03 00:34:40 GMT from United States)
A few links:
I played with both, but I have no msn account. I like the kopete interface much better, but msn has been around with video for longer. Kopete introduced it lately and they are working it out
Buena Suerte !
41 • Video IM (by Jose on 2006-01-03 01:33:02 GMT from United States)
Amsn supposedly has video but problems with sound. Kopete is still a work in progress, but so close. If you want video and sound right now, the best place is Qnext.
It is an all in one messenger, but only video with other Qnext clients.
It is free and pretty good. I use it now while waiting for GAIM, Kopete and AMSN to get video working reliably.
42 • video chat (by wouter on 2006-01-03 03:21:16 GMT from Belgium)
Caraibes: Gnomemeeting works great for both audio and video. It also connects to Netmeeting clients. The program should have IM facilities, but I never tried them. You probably need Gnomemeeting on both sides for IM to work.
43 • christmas (by wouter on 2006-01-03 03:36:48 GMT from Belgium)
Many people are home during the holidays. It's quite logical that some opensource projects are more active in this period.
Besides, christmas is just a pagan celibration that the christians stole (like most 'christian' holidays) and has overal little to do with christianity (every year less and less, when I look around) and even New Year isn't quite as universal as many seem to think... at least the exact date isn't. Add to that broken homes, family fights and the typical antisocial feeling of the average geek, and you've got loads of time to spend on improving the world with better software.
After all, I think the bulk of opensource software is still made at home or in dorm rooms rather than in offices and cubicles, even those projects with corporate backing.
44 • Komposé (by wouter on 2006-01-03 03:40:59 GMT from Belgium)
Enlightenment has (had?) a sizable pager with active screenshots.
I don't know if something will show up in the 'upcoming' DR17 though...
45 • apparently supports webcam for yahoo chat (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 03:45:27 GMT from United States)
46 • 3D-Desktop for switching virtual desktops (by reader on 2006-01-03 07:55:36 GMT from Singapore)
Check this program out
47 • Happy New Year and thanks for all the fish (by Lobster on 2006-01-03 08:04:33 GMT from United Kingdom)
Linux has given me back my computer. I have developed a penguin fetish. Every Linux user seems friendlier, smarter and more helpful. Every distro creates new ideas and potential. I would like to thank all those who contribute, develop and endourage. Happy New Year and thanks for all the fish . . .
48 • What I don't like about Puppy. (by Will on 2006-01-03 09:13:12 GMT from Tunisia)
runs as root
installs everything into /root
Mounts your hard drive without telling you!
Creates a huge file on the hard drive without telling you!
Seems like a security risk.
49 • re 48 Puppy bashing shock horror (by mikkh on 2006-01-03 09:53:25 GMT from United Kingdom)
Runs as root
That's a plus IMO. You won't be using Puppy as a mission critical server, so why does that matter? It's main purpose in life is to breath life into old hardware that can't run more bloated operating systems.
Installs everything into /root
Apart from the stuff you get from pupget etc which goes into roxapps that is
Have you actually used this for more than 5 minutes?
Mounts your HD without telling you
Really? how come I have to use the mount tool then?
Creates a huge file blah blah
256 MB is not exactly huge, and allows you to keep personal settings if you only use it as a live CD
Seems like a security risk
Hmmm seems like you're not impressed with puppy and clutching at straws to me
50 • 49 (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 13:08:43 GMT from United States)
For old hardware, the aim of Puppy, 256 MB IS a huge file. Never used Puppy, I'm just saying...
51 • 49 ps (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 13:11:10 GMT from United States)
I hope by that you don't mean that only people running mission critical servers should avoid running as root. I was debating the FUD that Linux will be just as vulnerable to expoits as Windows when it gains market share recently. But if increased market share means more users who think like that, the claim may be right.
52 • Re: 49 Running as root (by Leo on 2006-01-03 14:35:03 GMT from United States)
This is no good. User should need to provide admin (root) password to do admin stuff. It is not hard at all, and it reminds the user that they are doing something potentially dangerous. This is handled gracefully in most distros. I like the way it is done in (k)ubuntu particularly. They ask you to sudo, and you need to provide your regular passwd. But you are already warned you are doing some admin stuff
This way everything runs more secure, and there is no impact on usability. Running everything as root is insane, I agree with #50
53 • Re 52 (by mikkh on 2006-01-03 17:48:41 GMT from United Kingdom)
Running everything as root is insane?
Why is it? just because you give an admin password before you do something potentially dangerous doesn't make the danger go away
If you balls your system up, knowing that you gave a password to do it, is little comfort to me.
Traditionally Unix/Linux was/is used in a multi PC environment with less knowledgable users being overseen by admin to prevent wrecking the system. In a home desktop where you are both the admin and the user, you are responsible for your own mistakes. With an average install taking about 15 minutes on my main PC, I frankly don't care if I wreck it, and it's just another lesson learnt and stored for future use.
If I had played safe over the last few years, I wouldn't have half the knowledge I now have
54 • running as root (by Leo on 2006-01-03 18:09:09 GMT from United States)
here is the rationale for not running _everything_ as root. It's not so much about preventing you from "rm -rf / " - It's rather about preventing the programs you run, fromhaving high enough privileges so that a malicious intruder/cracker can screw your computer, and maybe put into risk some other people's computers.
The point is, if only 1% or less of the time you are running as root, it is less likely to see a vulnerability of your code screwing your whole system and other systems as well. It can only screw things that it has access to according to its privilege, i.e. you own personal files and settings. This IS good.
Running everything as root is like giving every civilian a military tank to drive, and not expecting any big trouble ...
55 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 18:14:26 GMT from United States)
Next, people will want scripts to be executable by default because typing chmod +x is too inconvenient. If increasing popularity for GNU/Linux means adopting (in)security models from the more popular operating system, then maybe it's better to have a small but informed user base.
If the hard-earned knowledge you have now doesn't include the fact that administrative priviledges don't just protect you from making mistakes with mv and rm, but also from the malware and exploits endemic in other OSes, I'd say you haven't learned that much. But keep at it. I just hope users like you don't reach the critical mass to allow those sorts of outbreaks to affect GNU/Linux.
56 • re 54 (by mikkh on 2006-01-03 19:09:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
A rather over the top analogy, don't you think
I'm not a naive idiot who is unaware his system might be part of a zombie network. I take as many precautions as I feel are justified and are not just the paranoid ramblings of a doom and gloom merchant.
I sit behind both hardware and software firewalls, check for rootkits and other vulnerabilities on a regular basis and avoid the seedier corners of the internet. I don't do any online transactions because I'd rather shop locally and complain face-to-face if something is not right or broken.
So I'm going to continue 'playing with fire' partly for the convenience of not logging in and as root and also because I resent the 'micosoftesque' way of assuming you're a half wit and not competent enough to manage your own security like the monthly 'malicious toolkit' they want you to accept as a security fix
Dear windows user, we are grateful for the extortionate price you paid for our OS, but we believe deep down, that you really aren't that bright and need a helping hand from us. Please feel free to brag about how many updates you have had in the last month on MSN newsgroups and make sure you put a little aside each week
so you can afford Vista when it finally hits the shelves. It won't be long now, honest, and it's really rather pretty with ultimate street cred points guaranteed. Windows update will now be automatic with no choice of turning it off, because we noticed a few of you naughty people had done just that ...... Love and kisses Billy Boy
57 • Running as root? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-01-03 19:09:57 GMT from Italy)
I am with mikkh here. The "don't run as root", else you'll have hair loss, heart attacks, impotence... is one of those old wives tales which just refuse to go away.
I have always run as root since i realized that running as user was too much trouble (and it really was then, much more than it is now), and that is a long time and several hundreds distros ago. I have never had any problems except for my own mistakes, that regardless of typing a password or not.
Here is a user that probably you wouldn't regard as naive:
and this is what he had to say about running as root:
[quote] I have a different perspective on that, Jasper.
The "don't run as root" mantra dates from the days of timesharing servers. When you run on a single user PC, your most valuable resource is your data, not the integrity of the system.
If your system is compromised, the attacker can do all the things he wants to do in your user account, equally well as a root account (store files, send spam, run zombie software). Being or not being root doesn't hinder him at all.
On a server it is bad to be root all the time because a mistake by you could affect many other people. On a single user PC behind a firewall there is no compelling reason not to run as root, I believe.
58 • Caraibes, skype does support webcams (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 19:42:07 GMT from United States)
it is a NEW feature of skype
59 • Puppy 256 mb (by Me on 2006-01-03 19:54:18 GMT from United States)
Can anyone point me to more info about the 256 mb file Puppy supposedly creates? I haven't found anything on any of the Pup pages. Thanks.
60 • Peter van der Linden (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 19:56:59 GMT from United States)
Naive? No. A shill for Linspire? Perhaps.
61 • No subject (by RE: #60 on 2006-01-03 20:24:52 GMT from Italy)
"Peter van der Linden...A shill for Linspire? Perhaps."
If Peter van der Linden supports Linspire it is not because he is not geek enough to use any other distro or OS, for that matter.
More likely because he is in favour of a more user friendly linux, just as I am.
62 • Puppy useless in the classroom because everyone is root (by Gnobuddy on 2006-01-03 20:26:00 GMT from United States)
I have great admiration for Puppy Linux (and its creator, Barry). It is a wonderful little distro that somehow gets better with every new release.
But the fact that the default (and only) user is root, keeps me from running it on the old obsolete PC's I have used to set up a network for my students in my classroom.
The school has a Windows site license, so using Linux does not save anybody money. I want to switch from Win 98 (that's the newest Windows these old machines will support) to (a) reduce problems with viruses, malware, spyware, etc, and (b) keep the odd malicious student from messing up the system for fun, and (c) because I love the philosophy behind Free software - how could an educator not love a philosophy that is aimed at sharing the knowledge with everyone?
Since Puppy logs everyone in as root, requirement (b) is not met; and requirement (a) is met less well than any other linux (except Lindows or whatever it calls itself these days). So I cannot use it in my classroom.
Too bad, becaues Puppy is an outstanding piece of work.
63 • #61 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-01-03 20:27:58 GMT from Italy)
Sorry, the post above is mine
64 • re #62 - classroom (by ray carter at 2006-01-03 20:43:28 GMT from United States)
Have you tried Elive? I have put it on several old computers and find it quite useable. The interface is definitely different from MS, but not really difficult to cope with.
65 • re: 48 & 49 (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 20:47:21 GMT from United States)
Regarding the huge file...
Are we saying Puppy is a 256 meg installation, or are we saying that running the live cd/usb creates a 256 meg file?
66 • re 59 (by mikkh on 2006-01-03 20:56:58 GMT from United Kingdom)
Puppy only puts it pup001 file on a suitable (writable ) partition
If you're running windows on ntfs partitions with no linux file systems either, it won't write the dreaded 256 MB file - because it can't
In answer to an earlier poster who thought 256 MB was lots for older hardware. The answer is simple, fit a bigger HD. There are thousands of old sub 10 GB drives out there going for peanuts mostly.
One of my boxes is an old Celeron 300, I can't upgrade the CPU because of the crappy motherboard, but I've treated it to several hundred MB of RAM and a 10 GB HD. It runs Puppy and Vector with iceWM very nicely
67 • re: Puppy 256 mb (by Anonymous on 2006-01-03 21:13:54 GMT from United States)
Good answers here:
including why it's done (customization/downloading updates) and how to put the pup001 file on NTFS, if you want. I'd be interested to know if anyone does this with a family/work/school Windows machine.
More about package management:
68 • How to? (by Dave on 2006-01-04 00:30:41 GMT from United States)
How do I make my own installable distribution? LFS is not what I'm looking for.
69 • 68 (by Anonymous on 2006-01-04 02:09:12 GMT from United States)
Remaster Knoppix or some other live cd that also has an installer? What specifically do you want to do?
70 • Puppy myths (by Lobster on 2006-01-04 08:21:47 GMT from United Kingdom)
Dear Fellow Penguins,
As Puppy runs best from Ram and is under 64 meg ram it prefers 64 or more ram - but with 32 meg ram will swap to HD.
On booting you are given several options including one to not use your HD (Puppy saves settings and files in one 256 meg file which can be made larger)
Puppy can be run as a user other than root - no one bothers because by default Puppy does not load any vulnerable servers (as other distros do) Running the Linux firewall wizard further protects Puppy which is designed for single desktop usage - not network - but Puppys are keen to network now too . . .)
Puppy files can be saved in /usr as well as /root and I tend to store things on /mnt/home/ (the hard disk) Puppy boots so fast it is more convenient to always run from CD and have a secure Linux on the HD
Puppy has spawned grafpup.com and a Vietnamese distro. Our forum is one of the busiest and friendliest of any distro.
If any mistakes are made one HD file "pup001" is deleted or renamed and a fresh Puppy is available from CD
Puppy includes PuppyBasic programming language. If your distro is as much fun as Puppy you are lucky indeed . . .
71 • RE: Running as root? (by gzip on 2006-01-04 12:55:55 GMT from Finland)
>>The "don't run as root" mantra dates from the days of timesharing servers. When you run on a single user PC, your most valuable resource is your data, not the integrity of the system.>>
This is why you should run a backup program that automatically saves the contents of your home directory to some other directory that attackers without the root password cannot access.
>>The "don't run as root", else you'll have hair loss, heart attacks, impotence... is one of those old wives tales which just refuse to go away.>>
There's an old Chinese saying: "Newborn calves don't fear tigers."
72 • #71 (by Anonymous Penguin on 2006-01-04 16:17:22 GMT from Italy)
[quote] >>The "don't run as root", else you'll have hair loss, heart attacks, impotence... is one of those old wives tales which just refuse to go away.>>
There's an old Chinese saying: "Newborn calves don't fear tigers." [/quote]
Except that the person who wrote the first sentence (me) is far from being a "Newborn calf"
73 • Thanks to you all for the comments... (by Caraibes on 2006-01-04 21:04:40 GMT from Dominican Republic)
I checked all the links you posted, and will look further into it.
Yes, I do use Skype 2.0 under winxp, or Yahoo messenger/MSN...
I also use Googletalk, but it´s voice only (too bad, I like it, it works great when calling friends who are still using dial-up...)
I really enjoy Kopete, so I am getting ready to fiddle around to find if my webcam works with Linux (it´s a cheap Kozumi, so I doubt it...)
Anyway, when in PCLOS, I skype-talk, and when in Puppy, I gaim-write !!!
Hapy New Year to you all, especially folks from GenieOS, PCLOS, Puppy and Kanotix !
74 • Subscribe to DWW (by Kishore Ramnani on 2006-01-04 21:43:36 GMT from United States)
I want to subcribe to DWW. But you do not provide that option. Could you provide us that option please?
75 • Umbuntu (by Distrowatch Reader on 2006-01-05 01:08:53 GMT from Germany)
I installed Umbunto kind of a steep learning curve.
I added Kde, better now
I added Kbuntu better still.
I added some Mephis Best so far.
I actually like NO ROOT NOW.
I believe I am now running Mubunto.
76 • run root never good (by Mr. Pink on 2006-01-05 02:27:27 GMT from United States)
On a single user PC behind a firewall there is no compelling reason not to run as root, I believe.
Well, package that didn't go through rigorous QA process (and there are many of those) can wreck havoc if run by root. With regular user's privileges system would stop it from inflicting damage.
77 • Which is the best? (by silky99x on 2006-01-05 05:00:54 GMT from United States)
I wouldn't say the Ubunta Linux is the best distro just by keeping tabs of the total of Hits per page. This just means that the Ubunta Linux website was visited the most. I've visited many Linux websites but didn't download the particular distro everytime. Frankly, I've tested over twenty different linux distros and Xandros was the best distro I have tested by far. Everything worked great in Xandros. Just my opinion.
78 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-05 11:57:04 GMT from United States)
Mepis. M-E-P-I-S. Ubuntu. U-B-U-N-T-U. Jeez!
79 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-05 15:10:00 GMT from United States)
"I've tested over twenty different linux distros and Xandros was the best distro I have tested by far. "
Give PCLinuxOS a try or the Gnome remaster of it on the GenieOS website. I too like Xandros, but I like PCLinuxOS better because of the free repository which has all the goodies like flash, java, w32codecs, and libdvdcss2 in it.
80 • switching from gentoo (by Misty on 2006-01-05 19:04:57 GMT from United States)
It's very easy for me to see why someone would switch from Gentoo to another distro - it takes a lot of time. Now, I think gentoo is a great distro, probably one of the best (I'm one of those who think there is no absolute best one) but it takes time to compile everything you want to run it, even after they've cut some of that back with pre-compiled apps. People who have lives often don't have that much time to spare; you need your computer up and running now, not three days from now.
This is the problem with some geeks in general - they seem to have all the time in the world for this kinda stuff, and not only forget that not everyone else does, but get all macho and insulting about it. So, guys, you're not doing anyone any good ego-tripping on how much more of a geek you are than other people, especially not by making assumptions you shouldn't to begin with. I don't particularly like SuSE, but gimme GenieOS over Debian any day - I don't have the time to put up with all that trouble installing. So I know where he's coming from, although with me it's the husband and learning guitar.
81 • Linux Distribution chooser (by Geert on 2006-01-06 11:31:09 GMT from United States)
Did you test the Linux deistribution chooser yet?
Is it any good? http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
82 • Distro to add? (by Jim Worrest on 2006-01-06 13:50:16 GMT from United States)
Harv, hasn't done to much to this, but it is a specialized distro. It is for Ham Radio operators. Being an Amateur Radio Operator myself, I'm partial to it.
He includes a lot of information on his site about Knoppix, and so the information could be useful to non-Hams as well. You might give it a look. ---Jim
83 • Re: Linux Distribution chooser (by Ariszló on 2006-01-06 15:00:09 GMT from Hungary)
Still biassed and inaccurate but not as bad as it used to be. For some reason, they don't list the oldest surviving package type, Slackware's tgz. Perhaps they still don't know the difference between source tar.gz and Slackware's binary tgz?
84 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-06 17:50:24 GMT from United States)
They probably know what tgz is and don't care because it's an obselete format just as Slackware is an obselete distro..
85 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2006-01-06 17:59:04 GMT from United States)
Seriously, it's no obselete. Just it serves a tiny niche. If Slackware is for you, you don't need a web app to tell you. Some questions they should ask if you want a Slackware result:
Are you interested in the internals of your system, but too lazy for LFS?
Do you enjoy a traditional BSD feel, but you're not smart enough to use a real BSD?
Are you comfortable with grasping at straws to make out that dependency checking causing you endless pain so you can feel comfortable using a backward distro that doesn't have it when even the BSDs it imitates do?
There ya go.
86 • Linux chooser (by warrens on 2006-01-08 04:45:25 GMT from United States)
The Linux chooser made the right call for me. :) The first on the list was Gentoo and the second was Slackware. I have Gentoo on 3 machine here and I love it!!!
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