| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 109, 18 July 2005
Welcome to this year's 29th issue of DistroWatch Weekly. The developers of Mandriva Linux have released the first beta of the upcoming Mandriva Linux 2006, the much anticipated new version, which is expected to incorporate some of the best features of Conectiva and Lycoris into Mandriva Linux. Likewise, the Debian developers continued with massive updates in their unstable branch - inevitably breaking things on occasion, but still marching firmly towards introducing new updates and features into the next release, code name 'etch'. Also in this issue: Onebase Linux, as our featured distribution of the week, and a quick tip about restoring an overwritten partition table. Happy reading!
Mandriva enters 2006 beta testing phase
The first beta of the upcoming Mandriva Linux 2006 has been quietly released to mirrors over the weekend. Pending the official announcement later today, this much anticipated release is the first in Mandriva's new annual release cycle. It is expected to combine the best of Mandrakelinux, Conectiva and Lycoris as the developers of all three companies now work towards a common goal. Tuxmachines has taken a quick early look at the beta release and, although the reviewers did not notice any groundbreaking new technologies, they believed that most of the effort in the first beta had gone into package upgrades, especially the move to GCC 4.0.
If you are following Mandriva's development branch, or "cooker", be aware that many of the distribution's mirror sites stopped updating a few days ago. The culprit appears to be one of Mandriva's main mirror servers, carroll.cac.psu.edu, which has changed the name of its rsync module from "mandrakelinux" to "mandrivalinux". Unfortunately, Mandriva's rsync text file has yet to be updated to reflect the change. Also, it seems that carroll.cac.psu.edu has now stopped updating as well, so Mandriva's mirror system is in disarray at the moment. Hopefully, things will get sorted out soon, but at the time of writing, no US mirror carries the new Mandriva 2006 beta ISO images. These can, however, be obtained from a number of European mirrors, such as these ones in the Czech Republic, Germany, Norway and United Kingdom. Happy beta testing!
Debian unstable on the move
Following the recent stable release of Debian sarge, the distribution's cutting edge "unstable" ("sid") branch has been getting many interesting updates. Among the first ones were those to GCC 4.0 and apt 0.6. Especially the update to the new version of apt has been much anticipated as it introduces many security features that will help to lower the risk from updating one's system from an FTP/HTTP mirror site. Those of you who are interested in the internals of the new "secure apt" will find good information in these two documents: APT Signature checking and Migration to APT 0.6.
In line with most Linux distributions, Debian has now also replaced the XFree86 packages with those maintained by the X.Org project. It wasn't a completely trouble-free process, but that's to be expected in a development distribution, at least until everybody tests things out and reports bugs to the maintainers.
And while on the subject of Debian, here is an interesting link for those who would like to extend their sarge installation to include proprietary and non-free packages: Debian-Unofficial.org. The site provides a long list of tested packages for Debian sarge, including a multitude of multimedia codecs, wireless networking drivers, Java and various Java-based applications, Opera, Skype and many other packages. Certainly worth checking out - as long as you don't tell Richard Stallman about it!
Unofficial Ubuntu Lite
You enjoy Ubuntu Linux a lot, but there is one problem - its preference for the GNOME desktop makes it completely unsuitable for an old computer. If you are in such situation then rest assured that you are not alone - as proven by the newly launched unofficial Ubuntu Lite project. While still in early stages, this project's goal is to build an Ubuntu-based installation CD with a light desktop environment that can be effectively run on Pentium 200MHz computers with as little as 64MB of RAM. An early prototype of Ubuntu Lite is now available for download, while initial documentation can be accessed on the project's wiki pages.
|Featured distribution of the week: Onebase Linux
When the developers of Onebase Linux emailed us last week offering access to their new releases of OnebaseGo 3.0 and GamesGo 1.0, we were sceptical. A project that has always seemed somewhat immature and with a commercial twist to it, Onebase Linux has failed to generate much interest in the Linux community. But since testing Linux distributions is our job, we downloaded the OnebaseGo 3.0 ISO image and took some time to investigate it during the weekend.
Boy, were we wrong about this distribution! OnebaseGo 3.0 turned out to be an impressive live CD, booting remarkably fast into a fully configured desktop system with KDE 3.4.0. Hardware detection was flawless, the desktop well designed. We liked it so much that we decided to take up the offer to click on the "hard disk installation" desktop icon - this launched an innovative web-based (Konqueror) installation dialog, which guided us towards getting Onebase Linux into one of the available partitions. After we rebooted, we decided to take a closer look.
One of the most impressive features of Onebase Linux is its "System Management" module. This unique system administration utility is a collection of icons representing various tasks (see screenshot below). Besides the usual modules, such as user management or NVIDIA graphics driver installation, we also spotted icons for some less usual tasks. Among them, there was a "Desktop Dash" module for setting up SuperKaramba on KDE, "OL Album" for generating an online photo album, and "Privacy Cleaner" for a quick removal of Bash history, browser caches or log files. Packages are managed with a set of "Package Administration" and "Onebase Software" modules. New software can be installed either as binary packages or by compiling their source code, either which can be performed with a single click.
But we are just touching on the surface here as there are many other interesting modules to investigate. Inevitably, we found a few bugs too - for example, setting the system's time zone is done by selecting a city from a drop-down box of unsorted entries, which makes it rather difficult to locate your city or country. Also, trying to install some packages failed occasionally - Blender was one of the packages that refused to compile on our system.
Overall, however, the latest release of Onebase Linux is a great job. The OnebaseGo live CD is not available as a free download, but a US$10 expense will give you access to both OnebaseGo 3.0 and GamesGo 1.0. For those who cannot afford the fee, the project provides a freely downloadable "Net Installation CD" which can be used to install Onebase Linux on hard disk.
For more information about Onebase Linux please visit the distribution's web site at OnebaseLinux.com.
Onebase Linux - an impressive distribution with an excellent system management control cetre.
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|Released Last Week
Onebase Linux 2005x1, OnebaseGo 3.0, GamesGo 1.0
A new version of Onebase Linux, together with live CD editions of OnebaseGo and GamesGo have been released: "The Onebase Linux Project is proud to announce the following releases: Onebase Linux 2005x1 - Net Installer, OnebaseGo 3.0 - live CD operating system, GamesGo 1.0 - Exclusive Gaming live CD. These releases come with lots of improvements and new features like updated Onebase Portal (control center), Package manager, udev support with HAL, and improved hardware detection. Many applications have been updated, like Linux kernel, GNOME suite 2.10, KDE 3.4.1, Unionfs + SquashFS support for OnebaseGo...." See the release announcement for further information.
ClarkConnect Broadband Gateway 3.1
The final build of ClarkConnect Broadband Gateway 3.1 has been released. From the release notes: "The core packages in ClarkConnect are built on the Red Hat Enterprise Linux 4 Source RPMs. However, we have made a few changes: We decided to put aside the udev implementation, the implementation is a nice feature for desktop systems, but not important for server systems; the MySQL package was split into two different RPMs: mysql and mysql-client; the distcache feature in the Apache web server was disabled; PPTP, firewall and peer-to-peer patches were added to the kernel; legacy Megaraid support was added to the kernel."
Damn Small Linux 1.3
Damn Small Linux 1.3 has been released. Here are some excerpts from the changelog: "Created an icon layout manager for xtdesk; improved icon and menu persistence with extensions; created a GUI date/time tool; created a frugal GRUB install script; replaced rxvt with aterm and added transparency xshell options; updated naim; reduced ISO by stripping libraries of debug symbols; fixed xvesa 'leftovers' bug when choosing lower resolutions; fixed eth0 disable upon use of pon; fixed the null menu bug upon loading certain menuless extensions; new default theme...."
Kate OS 2.1 LIVE
Damn Small Linux 1.3 with a new default desktop theme
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The Kate OS project has released a live CD based on their Kate OS Linux distribution: "It's our pleasure to present you with the newest Kate OS LIVE edition! The LIVE edition is not only a demonstration of Kate OS capabilities and usefulness, it's also a marvellous distribution for travellers. We have applied an innovative Unionfs pseudo filesystem, due to which every configurable system element can be saved. The changes made to the filesystem can be stored on hard disk or any other data carrier, so as to restore the previous configuration." Read the rest of the release announcement on the project's home page.
Kate OS 2.1 LIVE - a good looking live CD with XFce
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The Mutagenix project, which builds a set of Linux live CD based on Slackware Linux and SLAX, has announced the release of version 2.6.11-1: "Mutagenix 188.8.131.52-1 live CD suite now available. Features: Rescue, Freerock GNOME, Gware GNOME, and KDE ISOs; starts automatically as a DHCP client; integrated firewall which auto starts on DHCP networks in stealth mode; slapt-get, with multiple rc files with different sources, is included; cpan2tgz for automatically downloading and installing Perl modules; script to install Mutagenix to a hard drive; simplified modem dial-up script; ClamAV antivirus program for scanning your nasty windows partitions...." Find more details in the release announcement.
Ehad is an Israeli distribution based on Mandriva Linux. The project offers a single installation CD containing a useful assortment of Mandriva-compatible applications designed for Hebrew speakers. The project's first stable version - Ehad 2005 - has been released. From the changelog: "Version Ehad 2005. Installation: changed install name to Ehad 2005. Packages: includes all official updates, released until 16 July 2005; security fixes for Firefox up to v1.0.5."
WHAX 3.0 has been released: "Finally! WHAX is stable enough to leave the beta stage and go public. Several fixes and additions have been implemented, to name a few: Prism54 firmware finally put in place; wireless scripts functioning, including Kismet autoconfiguration; beta fluxbox menu has been introduced; downgraded to aircrack 2.2b6; updated to Firefox 1.05 due to the recent vulnerabilities; added RSS feeds defaults; added Firefox plugins, Flash; Snort startup scripts fixed. Don't forget, WHAX is easily installed on a USB pen drive, so updating is a breeze!" Here is the full release announcement.
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Development and unannounced releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Mandriva Linux 2006
The Mandriva Linux 2006 release schedule has been updated. The first beta (labelled as Mandriva Linux 2005.1) has been released to mirrors on 15 July; this will be followed by three more betas or release candidates before the final release of Mandriva Linux 2006 on 15 September. The pages no longer mention the "Community" and "Official" releases, only "2006.0".
Symphony OS Alpha 4
The developers of Symphony OS have published information and a list of features that will likely make it into the upcoming Alpha 4 development release, scheduled for later this month: "We are currently hard at work on Symphony OS Alpha 4 which we hope to release in July. Alpha 4 will be a leap forward in our development process and will be the first Symphony OS release complete enough to be used as a daily desktop. While this release will still be an alpha release and as such will be buggy, we are doing our best to make it as stable and complete as possible." Find more information on the Symphony OS Alpha 4 page.
Summary of expected upcoming releases
|Web Site News
New distribution additions|
New on the waiting list
- 64 Studio. 64 Studio is developing a collection of software for digital content creation on x86_64 hardware (that's AMD's 64-bit CPUs and Intel's EM64T chips). It's based on the pure 64 port of Debian GNU/Linux, but with a specialised package selection and lots of other customisations.
- BlankOn Linux. BlankOn Linux is an Indonesian Linux distribution based on Fedora Core.
- Edubuntu. Edubuntu aims to be an Ubuntu Linux edition suitable for classroom use. The aim is to deliver a turnkey solution that enables time-poor educators with mid-range technical skills to set up a computer lab and/or establish an online learning environment with as few clicks as humanly possible, then administer that environment without having to significantly expand their technical skills. Centralized management of configuration, users, and processes together with facilities for working collaboratively in a classroom setting are its principal design goals.
DistroWatch database summary
|Tips and tricks
Restoring partition table|
Since many of our readers enjoy trying out new Linux distributions, I thought I'd share a tip which I accidentally discovered last week and which can be useful in saving one's data, or even one's neck.
My test computer's 120GB first hard disk is divided into 24 Linux partitions of 5GB each + a swap file. This machine serves as a testing ground for the myriad of Linux (and BSD) distributions that I test every week. I leave the second hard disk unpartitioned for those distributions that insists on taking over the entire disk during installation.
With a never-ending process of installing and replacing distributions, it is almost inevitable that sooner or later something goes wrong and the disk gets repartitioned - either due to a bug in an installation program, or because some distribution's developers believe that giving users choice is a bad idea. This happened last week when I attempted to install Asterisk@Home. This CentOS-based distribution boots into a standard Anaconda installer, but then, as I found out to my horror, it proceeds to repartition your entire hard disk without any warning whatsoever!
Although the installation of Asterisk@Home 1.3 eventually failed, I wasn't able to boot into any of the installed distributions. As this was a test machine, I wasn't overly concerned, although I was certainly annoyed by the lack of any warning, and by the fact that I had to repartition my hard disk.
I booted from a KNOPPIX live CD and used the cfdisk utility to re-create the exact partition setup that I had on the disk previously. Then I rebooted back into KNOPPIX. To my surprise, I found that all of the 25 Linux partitions were present on the system once again! I chroot-ed into one of the partitions, restored the Master Boot Record and rebooted again, but this time without the KNOPPIX CD in the DVD drive. Now I was able to boot into any of the previously installed Linux distribution on the hard disk!
The moral of the story is that you should keep a record of your partition layout and partition sizes on your hard disk(s). Then, when a disaster strikes, just refer to the record to recreate the partition table and you should be able to boot into most of the distributions on your hard disk (except probably the ones at the beginning of the hard disk, since the data there might have been overwritten). But if you keep the important data on a separate partition further down the hard disk, you should be able to recover them easily.
One distribution that might help with this task is R.I.P. (Recovery Is Possible). This live CD includes a program called Partimage which can save your partition table layout into a floppy disk and restore it later, if necessary.
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1 • Yay! On time this week! (by anon on 2005-07-18 10:10:26 GMT from United States) |
Nice it is on time :)
2 • Onebase (by Michael Magua on 2005-07-18 10:32:52 GMT from South Africa)
I don't see why you should pay any attention to Onebase Linux. On their last release it was stated by the "admin" that if you emailed him it would be arranged that you could download a copy of Onebase. Well that's not true, I got no reply, I even posted messages on their forum and he didn't even bother to reply, I'm talking about "one4all" as that is what he calls himself on the forums. What's worse is he just deleted my messages and a few others from other people. I think Onebase is a Gentoo rip off and they're just in it for the money.
3 • Not E17 (by Anonymous on 2005-07-18 11:56:13 GMT from Italy)
The one in the Elive screenshot is not Enlightenment DR17, it's E16...
4 • Thanks ! (by Shikaeshi on 2005-07-18 12:02:48 GMT from United States)
Awesome read ! Thanks for the weekly digest ! Please keep up the great work !!!
5 • thanks and onebase. (by anton on 2005-07-18 12:42:27 GMT from United Kingdom)
I have also suffered poor customer support from onebase, so was a little surprised when i saw it was featured distro of the week, otherwise another informative and interesting read, thanks!
6 • On Mandriva Linux mirrors (by Dr. Zhu on 2005-07-18 13:03:03 GMT from United States)
Maybe only a few minutes ago, one of the main servers, carroll.cac.psu.edu, came back to updating (though none of the 2005.1 ISO images is available on the server at the moment). However, many others are still in trouble, due to the renaming of carroll.cac.psu.edu's rsync module.
7 • ehad download (by DavidR on 2005-07-18 13:16:42 GMT from Germany)
I was unable to download ehad from www.berlios.de.
If anyone knows where this distro can be accessed other than berlios.de, please let me know.
8 • featured OS suggestion (by AndyC on 2005-07-18 13:41:48 GMT from United States)
Although Onebase has some interesting features (which you pointed out), I think there are better choices for a desktop system. I encourage you to feature PCLinuxOS - this is a highly polished and user-friendly distro with great config tools. And it's free!
9 • No subject (by Fiksve on 2005-07-18 13:41:52 GMT from Norway)
the eLive distro is just a cumbersome showcase for the fantastic e17 manager. Do yourself a favour and compile it from source on your distro of choise. Im running e17 under Slackware current and its awesome, many times faster than any other WM, and still sporting more eyecandy than any other wm, or any other OS for that matter. Its stable and plays nice, even tough its beta.
And most importantly, its a very convenient enviroment to get some work done (When youre eyes are done fiesting, anyway) with several neat subcomponents. Go rasterman, go!
10 • Yes the week starts out normally (by azbaer on 2005-07-18 13:56:02 GMT from United States)
Last week waaaaas a total mess, nothing went right. I didnt get to read last weeks distrowatch weekly till Tuesday evening. So so good, got my morning java and this weeks copy of DWW!
Gee I hope one base get htere act together, an operating system for $10 bucks! What will the rest o fthe retail distro do if this takes off?
Its really nicw to see Enlightenment as the default desktop. Since Red HAt 6.0, Enlightenment has been my favorite window manager.(I am not an icon junkie.)
Man I have to go to work.
Seeya, another great read!
11 • RE: featured OS suggestion (by ladislav on 2005-07-18 14:04:38 GMT from Taiwan)
PCLinuxOS is still in beta. Once it's stable, we'll certainly give it some space here.
12 • ubuntu lite? (by paul h on 2005-07-18 14:17:50 GMT from United States)
i see that ubuntu is finally getting other new distros to be based upon it. i was wondering. i have a via epia W/ C3. it runs ubuntu fine but the video is LAGGY. i would like to know how can i install drivers or do they make drivers for a epia mobo.
13 • Elive (by Flavio de Oliveira on 2005-07-18 14:32:25 GMT from Brazil)
About Elive, I'll do a test, livecdnews included it beside GoblinX into their favoriteLiveCD you think is the best for showing off Linux to your Windows and Mac friends...
"Since there’s no LiveCD news today, I’m going to suggest everyone go download and try out Elive and GoblinX. Both LiveCDs focus on the Eye Candy factor of Linux desktops, and both do this well. Elive has Enlightenment E16 and E17, and GoblinX has 5 pre-tweaked desktop environments, including KDE, XFCE, Fluxbox, Windowmaker, and Enlightenment.
When you’re done, go vote for the LiveCD you think is the best for showing off Linux to your Windows and Mac friends."
14 • I'll Email, too (by Flavio de Oliveira on 2005-07-18 14:33:11 GMT from Brazil)
I'll email you offering access to the next release, too ... k=°]
We HERE need more reviews... This last week we got a interesting review from Skaz... but we need more to work...
15 • distrowatch (by terry lynch on 2005-07-18 14:43:02 GMT from Ireland)
I look forward every week to your news on monday ,thanks for all your hard work ! best wishes terry
16 • PCLinuxOS free catch (by GregWeby on 2005-07-18 14:55:54 GMT from Canada)
PCLinuxOS does attempt to be free, but it has a bit of a catch with that. Not that is really a surprising or at all evil catch but, the developement is done in peoples spare time. They still have day jobs. They also would like to be able to make some money for their work, so they ask that you make a donation if you like the distribution. They also have a paid server which they add updates to first and then share them on the public server. If you donate you get access to the private server they pay for.
17 • comment about onebase (by speel on 2005-07-18 15:45:20 GMT from United States)
any distro that charges to use it will not stride
18 • Onebase (by gabbman on 2005-07-18 15:49:38 GMT from Canada)
Interesting read, but I don't understand your excitement about the System Management Control Centre. Lycoris had it first, Texstar tweaked it for PCLOS and Ark also uses the same kioexec html linked to system to manage of their systems. They all just call it something else.
The big difference is I NEVER had to fork out $10 to try any of them.
I am thankful for these reviews, they save me money.
19 • ubuntu lite? [comment on paul h:] (by istoyanov on 2005-07-18 16:43:00 GMT from Bulgaria)
I really had great time (and joy) running ubuntu 4.10 on a similar box (based on a VIA P6VEM mobo featuring the C3 CPU), but since I upgraded to 5.04 the system lost its good responsiveness and got quite laggy, as you note :( I would recomend you to stay with 4.10 (until the speed issues are resolved), or to switch to Debian 3.1 that runs even snappier than ubuntu 4.10 on my C3 powered box :)
20 • I don't understand... (by |TG| Mateo on 2005-07-18 16:46:17 GMT from United States)
The hate towards 1base. $10 is nothing-that's a combo at Quizno's. Or 2 Venti-mocha-frapuccinos.
True, there are free alternatives, but not all in one place (see gabbman's post).
Now, you might think that the $10 would be better off being donated to Texstar, and you are probably right, but opposing something simply because they impose a nominal fee is immature.
21 • Ubuntu Lite. (by Matías T. on 2005-07-18 17:55:10 GMT from Argentina)
The community just seems to read my mind. I've been thinking that it would be great to have an Ubuntu light version that runs a light desktop environment. For that porpouse, I think that XFCE 4 is just great!. I am an Ubuntu Hoary Hedgehog user myself, but since my computer is fast enough to run the default Gnome desktop, I do not have the need to do any change. Anyway, I am thinking about trying XFCE 4 on an Ubuntu default installation.
Also, I am a Distrowatch lover ;-) .
Greetings from Argentina!.
PD: I am sorry about any mistakes..!
22 • Try and understand. (by gabbman on 2005-07-18 18:06:48 GMT from Canada)
TG|Mato wrote:" Now, you might think that the $10 would be better off being donated to Texstar, and you are probably right, but opposing something simply because they impose a nominal fee is immature."
I don't think that at all. The money is not the issue, it's the Microsoftish presumption that they are worth $10... I have made a concious decision to support many Linux Distro's, but those who I have supported, 'EARNED my support with a quality product that I had an opportunity to try first, not the other way around.
To some I guess that may seem immature, but I think true support is EARNED, not DEMANDED.
23 • Re: Restoring partition table (by anonymous on 2005-07-18 18:39:35 GMT from United States)
If you destroy your partition table and you don't have a backup, there's a tool called gpart that will examine the disk and guess where the partitions start and end. I haven't used it but it looks very useful:
24 • re: gpart (by benbon on 2005-07-18 19:50:01 GMT from Canada)
this is an excellent program which has saved me from disaster on two occasions! not without considerable stress, mind you. still, all turned out well.
25 • re: Onebase (by wmadan on 2005-07-18 20:07:37 GMT from United States)
I didn't pay to try Onebase; I downloaded the iso for the net install and that went fine. Did the same with Suse.
I was surprised how quickly Onebase loads compared to Suse, Ubuntu, and even Fedora Core 4 (which is pretty fast).
Is the lack of add-on packages real or did I not search the repository extensively enough?
26 • OneBase Bashing - why? (by Mikkh on 2005-07-18 20:12:13 GMT from United Kingdom)
First we have the ridiculous comment of " A project that has always seemed somewhat immature and with a commercial twist to it"
WTF does that mean? The "commercial twist" means the recent charging for downloads? That's only happened recently, OneBase always had a free download before that, and does not Mandrake, Suse etc etc count as "commercial twists" - especially Mandrake with it's mandrake club membership and not including " commercial " software like Nvidia drivers in the free download editions, trying to force people into buying the pretty boxed sets? And yes I'm very aware of the name change before some pedantic idiot replies with the info and has nothing else to say
And immature means childish? certainly not, or not been a Linux project very long? Obviously the very immature (age wise) Ubuntu is not guilty of this for some reason. Practically every Linux distro is more mature than Ubuntu; including OneBase.
And then we have the person claiming his posts were deleted when asking for a free download. Certainly didn't happen in my case, and I got the link for a free download within an hour of posting a polite request for one. And the same person infers it's a Gentoo rip off - because it's source (or binary) based ?
As you can probably guess, I quite like OneBase. I was impressed mightily with the first livecd I tried, which runs faster as a livecd than a lot of installed distros, and that's a pretty awesome achievement I think. To all you whingers, you seem to have forgotton that the net install download is now free and is far more straight forward to install than a Suse FTP install. It gives clear concise instructions and is a doddle to install for anyone with the barest knowledge of Linux.
The only minor addition that is missed for anyone wanting a full GUI install is one simple command
olm -b kde
olm -b gnome
wil get your preferred desktop and all dependecies
Just make sure you reboot after doing olm -b linux before doing this though
27 • No subject (by mrbass on 2005-07-18 21:13:11 GMT from United States)
Ok so still looking for someone who wants to create a Ubuntu-XFCE distro maybe make the minimum requirement 128MB instead of 64MB. Since Ubuntu Lite won't be using XFCE.
These are only meant to be rough guides. I do not think that they are accurate in Memory usage but show a rough comparisson. I tried idesk vs rox-pinboard on another leightweight system and Rox won out (instead of idesk this time).
Ede looking to be definate contender for Ubuntu lite. XFCE struck out.
28 • RE: Onebase (by wmadan ) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-18 22:29:53 GMT from Italy)
"I didn't pay to try Onebase; I downloaded the iso for the net install and that went fine."
How did you manage to do that? It wasn't a free download. Now it is.
29 • RE: OneBase Bashing - why? (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-18 22:41:29 GMT from Italy)
"And immature means childish? certainly not"
Yes, in my books it does. And I have been following this distro almost from the beginning. If you really want to know why I find it (or rather him) childish, I can give you a few examples.
"And then we have the person claiming his posts were deleted "
It happened also to me, and in fact almost to everybody. The developer is just too childish to accept criticism or even to reply to it and explain his reasons.
30 • RE: (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-18 22:50:59 GMT from Italy)
>>"but opposing something simply because they impose a nominal fee is immature."
I don't think that at all. The money is not the issue, it's the Microsoftish presumption that they are worth $10... I have made a concious decision to support many Linux Distro's, but those who I have supported, 'EARNED my support with a quality product that I had an opportunity to try first, not the other way around.
To some I guess that may seem immature, but I think true support is EARNED, not DEMANDED.<<
Very well said. That is indeed the point.
My favorite distro is free. And yet I donate on a regular basis.
In the end it might cost me more than buying SUSE or being a Mandrivaclub member, but I use mentioned distro as my main OS on a daily basis.
31 • To donate or to not donate (by IMQ on 2005-07-18 23:27:24 GMT from United States)
How many people do feel guilty of using distros that are made available for download freely?
OK. Next question. How many people do feel guilty of using distros that are made available for download freely, then asked for donation but didn't for whatever reasons?
OK. Next question. How many people do feel guilty of using distros that are made available for download freely, then asked for donation but didn't for whatever reasons? Then being accused a bunch of free-loaders by those who donate?
Personally I don't feel guilty as all. I have to tell you, I have spent more money on Linux distro than I ever did with Windows. Most of my Linux donations/purchases went to the little guys whose work I like and want to support their continued improvements.
32 • Comment Section (by Tired :( on 2005-07-19 01:56:50 GMT from United States)
This is a perfect example of why the comment section should be discontinued.
33 • Comment Section (by ChiJoan on 2005-07-19 02:17:42 GMT from United States)
Please don't discontinue the comment section. Sometimes people forget how to act properly in a public forum. Don't take away the pearls of wisdom that often are revealed by readers.
Please folks let's be better readers and hold off on matters that are clearly up to the individual and is his own conscience. Good Linux will be rewarded in the end we just have to watch it happen, at least, I do not being a coder. But testing Linux would be harder without all the hard work that goes into DistroWatch and other Linux endeavors.
Thanks for reading,
34 • RE: Onebase (by wmadan ) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-18 22:29:53 GMT from (by wmadan on 2005-07-19 03:30:07 GMT from United States)
"I didn't pay to try Onebase; I downloaded the iso for the net install and that went fine."
"How did you manage to do that? It wasn't a free download. Now it is."
I just clicked on the link from the Distrowatch news release on the free net install iso CD and was taken right to the download. Didn't cost a cent.
35 • RE: RE: (by Wrawrat on 2005-07-19 04:13:53 GMT from Canada)
"I don't think that at all. The money is not the issue, it's the Microsoftish presumption that they are worth $10... I have made a concious decision to support many Linux Distro's, but those who I have supported, 'EARNED my support with a quality product that I had an opportunity to try first, not the other way around."
Hardly a Microsoftish presumption. You don't try your Big Mac before paying it, now don't you. ;)
That is called commerce. Of course, it's far easier to give a donation for a free product than for junk food... and it is more noble, I must add. Unfortunately, few people are bothering to do it, so I understand those who prefer to keep the 'old way' of bartering.
I don't have anything against this, I'm just pointing out that it's definitely not exclusive to Microsoft.
36 • Wrawrat's Big Mac (by Anonymous on 2005-07-19 05:45:19 GMT from Canada)
You may have to pay for your Big Mac up front, but you can easily get your money back if you don't like it.
37 • Anonymous's Big Mac (by Anonymous on 2005-07-19 05:55:05 GMT from Malaysia)
"You may have to pay for your Big Mac up front, but you can easily get your money back if you don't like it."
38 • RE: RE: Onebase (by wmadan ) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-19 12:18:39 GMT from Italy)
"I just clicked on the link from the Distrowatch news release on the free net install iso CD and was taken right to the download. Didn't cost a cent."
And which Onebase release was that?
39 • onebase (by anton on 2005-07-19 13:32:35 GMT from United Kingdom)
I think he was referring to the net install 2005x1 iso, which is free to download. If you want to try out the onebase go live cd, or the onebase games live cd, then you have to first pay $10 before downloading. If, on the other hand you have a slow or non-existant internet connection, you can buy a box-set of the 2 editions, in the words of onebase "Save dollars with power edition - Price: 40$"
my own experience of dealing with onebase is similar to other postings here, poor support, posts deleted instead of answered. there are many great distro's around, both live and installable, that have much more to offer in terms of innovation, good, helpful support if needed, people who love linux first, money second.
my advice would be to give onebase a miss. and send $10 instead to your favorite developer.
40 • RE: onebase (by anton ) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-19 16:17:47 GMT from Italy)
Great post, Anton. I couldn't agree more.
"I think he was referring to the net install 2005x1 iso, which is free to download. "
Yes, but the one everybody is complaining about is the previous one.
41 • RE: Comment Section (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-19 16:26:45 GMT from Italy)
"This is a perfect example of why the comment section should be discontinued."
Care to expand? Do you mean that you don't like freedom of expression?
Thanks God this is not a pro Micro$oft site
42 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-19 17:41:13 GMT from United States)
"...Do you mean that you don't like freedom of expression?"
43 • Elive (by james at 2005-07-19 18:55:00 GMT from United States)
Wow elive looks like mac strange eh ? well happy reading all
44 • onebase (by Anonymous on 2005-07-19 20:13:20 GMT from United States)
since we're all weighing in on onebase, I'll give my experience.
I installed it (onebaselinux, though I've used onebaseGo as well) way back in the early days, and again fairly recently and I think it's a very solid desktop distro with a lot of features... at the time, it was the flexability and ease of setup for small area network scripts. Most things were quite simple, and the package management system seemed great. I'd be quite interested in hearing how this distro fares long-term. What turned me off from the distro is that I need better server tools as well as very specific packages that I cannot seem to find anywhere but debian or gentoo repositories.
45 • Onebase (by Ariszló on 2005-07-19 20:16:08 GMT from Hungary)
The quality of a product is one thing. Business methods or running a forum are other things. Onebase is a good product even if its maintainer is experimenting with unusual business methods or is resetting the forum whenever some changes make the old posts outdated (or is deleting the posts he/she does not like).
46 • Thanks (by piale on 2005-07-19 20:48:13 GMT from Ghana)
Distrowatch Distrowatch Distrowatch. What will I have done without this great website. Ladislav, my greatest appreciation and many thanks to you for this great vision.
Thanks to all persons working behind the scenes.
47 • Do not stop "Comments" (by William Roddy on 2005-07-19 20:53:11 GMT from United States)
I've been offended by some of the comments on DistroWatch "Comments" over the years, but I don't want to see it removed.
On one occasion, I was so furious, I wrote a letter that caused Ladislav to e-mailed me and asked if it would be okay not to post it, because it was so bad. He was right. I'd overstepped the line and had begun to play the game just like the inflexible idiot that had caused me to go into serial cursing mode. So I agreed with Ladislav's advice. And I learned from the experience.
There are a lot of analogies that might describe removing "Comments." Should we remove park benches because an occasional homeless person sits on them? Should we remove sidewalks because a dog occasionally craps on them? Should we remove subways and buses because of a death cult that calls itself Islamist, but is not?
Should we revise our entire lifestyle because a tiny minority of people are fanatics?
No. No. NO!
The problem isn't all the good, constructive posts, or the "This distro is my latest religion . . " posts. It's the occasional idiot who incites without reason, or the occasional VT (verbal terrorist) who tries to disrupt the entire process of freedom of speech with the only weapon at their disposal: chaotic mumbling, absent constructive ideas.
Ladislav will never remove "Comments" because he's smarter, wiser, and braver than that. What WE should do as readers is carry on with good contributions and ignore the bad ones.
For those who don't like "Comments," it's not required reading! In fact, later each week, it becomes an entity all its own that has to be purposely sought out.
DistroWatch keeps me on the Linux fast track. The speed bumps are not installed by the Web site but by occasional thoughtless users.
48 • Comments (by haldir on 2005-07-19 23:04:27 GMT from United States)
Ladislav, as always, excellent job.
As to eliminating the comments: you have to be kidding. You take things way too seriously if something written in an open forum makes you want to take if offline. Let's face it, some people like to post things just to get a reaction (troll), people from other cultures may not understand what you meant to say, some people just get carried away with their emotions. At the end of the day, it really doesn't mean anything.
49 • Debian-Unofficial.org. (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-07-20 00:46:37 GMT from Italy)
Nobody has commented on it yet.
Well, even if Richard Stallman won't like it, this makes a Great Distribution even greater. Together with marillat.free it makes every commercial, non-free or even "forbidden" app only an "apt-get install" away!
There is less point than ever in paying for commercial distributions, especially if they are Debian based.
And while I am at it, I'd like to remind to those who haven't noticed it yet that AGNULA/DeMuDI 1.2.1 makes for a great, much improved Debian installer.
50 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-20 05:05:21 GMT from United States)
I do not know who originally came up with the following quote
"Software is like sex, it is better when it is free". I believe the same applies with the Distros "Distros are better when they are free". I stand by my comments and I truly believe that many people agree with me.
51 • Fedora Core 4 (Stentz) comments and other distros ... (by Anonymous on 2005-07-20 05:49:04 GMT from United States)
by the way, Fedora Core 4 rocks!!! Mostly everything works correctly. Using yum is easy and the missing packages are just a click or two away. I did not like GNOME too much, but now GNOME rocks even though I still like KDE. Hey both desktops are great. Linux is great. Fedora Core 4, SLAX, KANOTIX, SystemRescueCD, FreeSBIE are my favorite versions of Linux. and I almost Forgot Knoppix.
By the way, just like some other people have mentioned before. It is better to be deserving and earning whatever monetary funds come your way instead of charging $$$ for them. Even Micro$oft gets cheated out of its share of $$ with cracked, pirated versions of it. So don't worry about it. Everyone gets what they deserve. And those folks who do not like Fedora Core, because they do not want to help Red Hat out working for them for free, go ahead and give the $$$ to the dudes that charge for it anyway and do not give the support that the Fedora Community gives. They are a great community and I am actually thankful to them for being excellent people that care to help out when one needs. Also some individuals who almost go unnoticed and do not get the credit they deserve are the kind folks at Linmodems.org. They provide support for many winmodems, including the LTModem, Smartlink and Conexant plus others that are supported. No one mentions them. But they are an excellent community of people willing to help get you connected to the internet with your winmodem. They do deserve our respect and consideration. They do not ask for $$$ like some people that make the distos who get most things for free and turn around and start charging $$$ for whatever they did. Sorry, it I sounded harsh but that is the way it is. Thanks to all the kind volunteers that make Linux and BSD great. Have a GDay.
52 • Re: [Software is like sex] (by Ariszló on 2005-07-20 14:41:37 GMT from Hungary)
Anonymous wrote: I do not know who originally came up with the following quote
"Software is like sex, it is better when it is free".
It is attributed to Linus Torvalds:
53 • BSD community VS GNU/Linux (by BSD community VS GNU/Linux on 2005-07-20 15:11:17 GMT from Canada)
NetBSD project get 27k from its community :
Distrowatch dont participate by publishing the news :
54 • onebase linux (by anonymous on 2005-07-20 16:19:36 GMT from United States)
Wow... I'm amazed that this distibution is still alive. I mean, after deviating completely from it's inception concept of a free and open Linux distribution for all, beginners and experts alike, most of the community dwindled away.
55 • Onebase linux (by Anonymous on 2005-07-20 16:21:52 GMT from United States)
by the way, onebase is just a modified LFS. LFS is great, and I think they should get credit for onebase having been based on the work of the LFS and BLFS crews
56 • onebase (by anonymous on 2005-07-20 16:22:12 GMT from United States)
take a look at the forums and all the unanswered support questions. if I were to give onebase a try, what would happen if _I_ asked for some support in using this obscure distro? not much guarantee there. so if you already downloaded and burned a copy of this distro on cd, I just really hope that it was a rewriteable...
57 • onebase licence (by Anonymous on 2005-07-20 16:40:14 GMT from United States)
Hey, take a look at http://www.ibiblio.org/onebase/onebaselinux.com/About/license.php
onebase is licenced under something called "Onebase Group Licensing", which seems to me to put certain conditions on the GPL in order for you to redistribute their distro.
Look at "6. The Product comes absolutely with no void warranty and does not make any promises of any kind. Like said in the GPL, the use of this software is under your own risk and the Onebase Linux Project or its developers are not responsible for any kind of damage inflicted directly or indirectly through these Products."
And if onebase is a free, open source distribution, then why the need for "5. Re-hosting or mirroring of the ISOs in any way (including .torrent) is not permitted.", with "2. You are also allowed to privately make copies to your friends without any charge."???
WTF? There seem to be some lapses of logic in their licensing terms and logic overall...
58 • Re: onebase licence (by Ariszló on 2005-07-20 17:17:08 GMT from Hungary)
Perhaps, he/she just has not read the GPL. :-(
59 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-07-20 18:32:31 GMT from United States)
"The Product comes absolutely with no void warranty and does not make any promises of any kind."
They personify the product like it walks on 2 legs and it makes sure that you get that he/she does not guarantee anything, then "with no void warranty" just voided that line of the licence agreement because they use stubbornly unclear language...
60 • No subject (by Max on 2005-07-21 05:27:50 GMT from Australia)
Do most live distros support SATA HDs out of the box?
61 • SATA HDs (by AQ on 2005-07-21 22:09:08 GMT from United States)
"Do most live distros support SATA HDs out of the box?"
I know Knoppix and Kanotix do. It is my belief that Slax does as well. Mainly anything which comes with a kernel from the past half year seems to recognize SATA well.
RAID, on the other hand, I hear is not so hot.
62 • restoring partition table (by Nick Scholten on 2005-07-22 14:42:19 GMT from Australia)
Have been doing something similar to insure against "wiping out"
the whole partition table by doing:
fdisk -l >
followed by making a printed copy of filename.txt or copying it
to a good old floppy.
That way you'll have a complete roadmap to restore with fdisk.
However I always thought that 16 partitions was the maximum
number possible. If this is not so, would somebody please enlighten me how I can get more than 16 on one hard disk.
63 • restoring partition table (by Nick Scholten on 2005-07-22 14:51:37 GMT from Australia)
Please note that the complete command is:
fdisk -l > filename.txt and I sincerely hope that readers were not inconvenienced by this omission which *probably* took place
because the filename.txt was enclosed in brackets :
64 • OneBase (by gabbman on 2005-07-22 16:52:55 GMT from Canada)
I downloaded the netinstall ISO and it would not install.
I can see from the 36 hour lack of response to my queery of my install problem, and lack of response of my PM to all4one, what some of you were talking about.
[url=http://www.ibiblio.org/onebase/onebaselinux.com/Community/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1495]This Post [/url]
Maybe another few release cycles are needed.
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