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1 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-05-23 10:08:55 GMT from Italy) |
I have always installed gentoo from another linux, setting portage niceness to 10 and makeopts to j1. The pc was usable and the installation process easier (you can browse the web to solve your problems) and more enjoyable. I really like gentoo's installation.
2 • PHLAK (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-05-23 10:16:47 GMT from Italy)
I like it very much, but there is no way I can make it bootable after install.
GRUB, the only choice, doesn't install anywhere: MBR, root partition, floppy...
I have the same problem with Sarge, but then I can choose lilo which installs fine.
3 • deleting data (by mark alec on 2005-05-23 10:47:11 GMT from Australia)
Why not just use 'shred'. See 'man shred'. Wish to delete all data from your first hard disk, 'shred /dev/hda' will overwrite it 25 times with random data.
4 • PHLAK install (by Geert Braekmans on 2005-05-23 10:59:42 GMT from Belgium)
Could it be a problem with master/slave if you have 2 disks?
Had the same problem. Just edit the menu.lst of grub to (hd0,0) or whatever partition you installed it on...
The problem is that if you boot from live cd it is seen as the second HD, if you boot from your HD it is the first. So Grub is installed on the other HD.
5 • RE: deleting data (by Robert Storey on 2005-05-23 11:42:25 GMT from Taiwan)
Yes, shred is good if you're using ext2, but a quote from the shred man page...
CAUTION: Note that shred relies on a very important assumption: that the filesystem overwrites data in place. This is the traditional way to do things, but many modern filesystem designs do not satisfy this assumption. The following are examples of filesystems on which shred is not effective:
* log-structured or journaled filesystems, such as those supplied with AIX and Solaris (and JFS, ReiserFS, XFS, Ext3, etc.)
6 • What's the hurry? (by Max on 2005-05-23 13:09:07 GMT from Australia)
Sarge takes two years to get to this point and now why do they need to hurry so much to finish it all in a month? Doesn't make sense...
7 • Debian status update typo (by kimchi on 2005-05-23 13:25:39 GMT from Singapore)
"Although the target date is still 30th March..."
Erm, should be May, right? Unless you're also hinting that they're going to delay the release till next year.
8 • Installing Gentoo in chroot (by Bibhu Prasad Swain on 2005-05-23 13:27:38 GMT from India)
I think Gentoo's attraction mainly lies with it's installation process and
freedom it gives to user about compiling and optimizing as required.
Gentoo is not just another pretty distro with fancy installer and lot of
broken dependencies. You install Gentoo for once and upgrade to any new so called version.Mr. Storey seems to have forgotten about Gentoo's portage and the simplicity of package installation through
Portage,he is just too much bothered about Gentoo's installation.
I have installed Gentoo through a stage one install and it didn't take days just a little more than 4 hours.Gentoo signifies the freedom that
is Linux, with Gentoo you do as you like and do as you please.I have cut my linux teeth with Mandrake and moved onto Debian and Gentoo.
There are many distros with fancy installers,people are welcome to try them instead of finding fault with Gentoo installation.
9 • Installing Gentoo Linux in chroot (by Mads Worsøe Petersen on 2005-05-23 13:30:48 GMT from Denmark)
I often install Gentoo from another linux host. But you write that, all you need to do is to install the base Gentoo system, then reboot into your everyday operating system. This is not neccesary. You can buildt it all from the host, like was it from the livecd. You doen't need to install a base Gentoo first, and then reboot into the host ;-)
10 • DBAN fan! (by Jeff on 2005-05-23 14:13:47 GMT from United States)
I've been using Darik's Boot and Nuke for over a year now and just love it. It is one of my essential utilities. It comes included on the "Ultimate Boot CD" http://ubcd.sourceforge.net/ if you want to pick up DBAN with a bunch of other handy utilities.
11 • Knoppix issues (by AQ on 2005-05-23 14:25:54 GMT from United States)
The only thing bothering me about knoppix is that they don't also host the source code of the entire distribution they put out.
Debian, slackware, Fedora and many others do.
So as much as I enjoy knoppix, I am very dissappointed by that fact. It seems odd for them to use the term GNU/Linux when they might very well be breaking the GPL.
12 • Gentoo guide for chroot install (by Klavs Klavsen at 2005-05-23 16:26:31 GMT from Denmark)
For Gentoo Chroot installation, the Alternative install guide should be mentioned: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/altinstall.xml
13 • RE: PHLAK install (by Anonymous Penguin on 2005-05-23 17:38:47 GMT from Italy)
"Could it be a problem with master/slave if you have 2 disks?"
Thanks for the hint.
I have indeed two HDs, but I had this problem with Sarge and Grub even before buying the second one.
I'll see if I can put your advice to good use.
14 • Using Linux to help a friend (by Steve on 2005-05-23 18:54:37 GMT from United States)
I have a friend who runs Windows ME (no boos please) and is having a problem. It will no longer boot into full Windows. One option is to reinstall the system, but if anything fouls up, she may lose some pictures stored on the system.
I was thinking of using Feather Linux and writing her pics to CD's and then reinstall her system. She only has 128MB of memory though, so I'm not sure that is viable.
I would appreciate your comments.
15 • Re: Using Linux to help a friend (by Ariszló on 2005-05-23 19:04:13 GMT from Hungary)
128 MB should be enough to run Feather Linux. I could even run KDE in Knoppix on my speed-test machine with only 128 MB of RAM. I'm not sure whether the memory is enough to both run Feather and burn a cd but my guess is that it could be.
16 • Re2: Using Linux to help a friend (by Ariszló on 2005-05-23 19:52:49 GMT from Hungary)
If the memory is not enough to burn a cd then you might as well save the pictures to a pen drive.
17 • DBAN (by gord on 2005-05-23 22:29:10 GMT from United Kingdom)
ah, yes that reminds me DBAN also _wipes_ data. Personally I use it daily (several times daily in fact) to detect HDD errors. I typically use wipetype=DOD, verify=ALL passes, rounds=as.many.as.I.can.be.bothered or sometimes with the following formula: doubt.about.drive.errors x time available x 0.636
seriously though, after blowing repeated bits to every disk location several times and verifying each pass for umpteen rounds, it's very satisfying to see that "DBAN succeeded" as opposed to "DBAN exited with errors" (=disk read or write fault)
try running that newly-delivered server drive over a weekend to burn it in before commissioning it..... So far i've had a 6pc reject rate after 48hr+ runs. (I blame the couriers, as it often happens in pairs or triples in one delivery )
18 • DBAN (by Charles on 2005-05-24 00:35:54 GMT from Germany)
I swear by DBAN. It helped me out in the past when I sold a used hard drive on-line. I had sensitive data on the drive, which I had previously deleted, but to make sure no one could access that data, I installed the drive in my other computer and ran the Gutmann process. As comprehensive and secure as Gutmann is, make sure you have enough time on your hands to wipe the drive. On the PII 400 Mhz system I employed to wipe the old hard drive, it took about five and a half hours to complete the process. However, I would rather be safe and wait the 5.5 hours as opposed to just formatting the drive and shipping it off to someone I didn't know.
19 • RE: deleting data (by mark alec on 2005-05-24 02:21:36 GMT from Australia)
wouldn't an "mke2fs /dev/hda && shred /dev/hda" do the trick
20 • Using Linux to help a friend (by sphen on 2005-05-24 10:16:15 GMT from United Kingdom)
Try Puppy Linux or Austrumi. Either will run entirely from RAM (even with just 128 Mb), and you can free up the CD drive to save the pictures.
21 • Gentoo Install Time. (by Mevatron on 2005-05-24 21:52:23 GMT from United States)
If you want to quickly install large packages and you use a standard CPU arch, then just use the Gentoo GRP for a speedy install. I installed gentoo using GRP in about 3 hours.
22 • Re; Knoppix issues (by Anonymous on 2005-05-25 03:29:18 GMT from United States)
"The only thing bothering me about knoppix is that they don't also host the source code of the entire distribution they put out."
Nearly everything on Knoppix comes from the standard Debian unstable or testing repositories. The source for the Knoppix components that aren't in the Debian repositories *is* on one of the Knoppix sites, although it may be tough to find unless you speak German.
23 • Re: Installing Gentoo Linux in chroot (by Ed Borasky on 2005-05-25 03:39:24 GMT from United States)
Actually, it's even easier than that. The only thing you need the Gentoo (or any other) LiveCD for is to create the hard disk partitions where Gentoo will reside. Assume you have some Linux already loaded, including a swap partition. Assume also you've set aside the partition(s) where Gentoo will be installed. In your *regular* Linux:
1. Make the filesystems in the set aside partitions.
2. "mkdir /mnt/gentoo" and mount the root partition on it.
3. Do the same for /boot or any other partitions.
4. Unpack the stage tarball and the Portage snapshot as described in the manual
5. Now do the chroot and finish the install. You're almost dual-booted.
6. Fix up the bootloader in your original Linux so it can boot the original one or Gentoo. You don't need another bootloader on the Gentoo side unless you're going to throw away the original Linux.
24 • Phaeronix (by Rob at 2005-05-25 22:25:04 GMT from United States)
Nothing interesting this week either. Except for Zen Linux and PCBSD .
I gotta let people know what distros taste and why you should see for yourself why.
# Phaeronix (gentoo)
# Vidalinux (gentoo)
# PcLinuxOS (mandriva)
# Blag (fedora core)
# FOX (fedora core)
# Kanotix (Debian sid)
# Frugalware (Arch/slack)
# Ututo (gentoo)
# Mutagenix (slackware/vector)
# Archie (arch) | is basically Arch but configured
# OverclockIX (debian/knoppix)
# SAM (mandriva)
25 • BitKeeper Strikes Back with FUD (by Anonymous on 2005-05-26 06:16:29 GMT from United States)
26 • Reply: Using Linux to help a friend (by Anonymous on 2005-05-26 16:54:55 GMT from United States)
Download and make a bootable CD of Puppy Linux. It will run just fine in 128MB of RAM, and will allow you to remove the live CD so you can burn the files to a CD-R. Out of all the small and lightweight distro's, I think for what you are wanting to do, Puppy would work the best.
27 • distro junkyism (by im_ka on 2005-05-26 23:58:07 GMT from Sweden)
i've messed up my sarge system so i'm once again trying out some distros before reinstalling... maybe i'll settle with something.
just tried the lates simply mepis and it's ridicolous. it takes about 10 minutes to boot (with kde) on my thinkpad t23, 866 mhz p3 and 256 mb ram (prolly the most linux friendly laptops come from ibm), starts all kinds of nonsense (for a desktop distro at least) such as apache.
i'm downloading kanotix 2005-2 now. last time i tried it was pretty impressive, and it looks like my ralink wlan card is now supported out-of-the-box.
let's see what the night brings ;)
28 • Gentoo Install Timings (by Ed Borasky on 2005-05-29 16:48:44 GMT from United States)
Just for the sake of curiosity, I re-installed Gentoo 2005.0 on one of my machines yesterday and timed it. The machine is a 933 MHz P3 desktop with 256 MB and a 30GB hard drive. There are three steps:
1. Make the filesystems, unpack the stage3 tarball and Portage snapshot and copy the binary packages to the hard drive: 6 minutes.
2. Install the entire Gentoo Reference Platform (KDE, Gnome, etc.): 95 minutes.
3. Kernel build: 46 minutes.
When I get some free time, I'm going to do the equivalent -- a full install of "everything" -- for the CentOS 4.0 RHEL clone distro. I've run this before; my recollection is that it took about two hours. So I would say a GRP (from binary) install is time-competitive with CentOS 4.0.
"Ah, but Gentoo doesn't have an installer", I hear someone cry. Aside from the partitioning of the hard drive, which I did manually, everything was done from three bash scripts, plus pre-coded "make.conf", "rc.conf", "grub.conf", "hosts" and "fstab" files. If I wanted to get fancy, I could write a more comprehensive "installer" in "bash", but it didn't seem worth the effort.
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