| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 93, 28 March 2005
Welcome to this year's 13th issue of DistroWatch Weekly! The delayed release of Gentoo Linux was the highlight of the otherwise very quiet Easter weekend. Elsewhere, future releases of Slackware Linux will no longer ship with the GNOME desktop and Mandrakesoft is once again implementing major changes to its release mechanism. Also in this issue - a couple of fun links for your entertainment, and no fewer than eight new Linux distributions on the waiting list. Enjoy!
- News: Gentoo releases 2005.0, Slackware drops GNOME, Mandrakelinux changes pace
- Diversions: Linux-tan and Novell's view of Windows NT
- Released last week
- Upcoming Releases: OpenBSD 3.7, DragonFly BSD 1.5 and 2.0
- New distribution additions: Admelix, h3knix
- New on the waiting list: Adrenalinux, DeepStyle Linux, Hax Linux, Houdinix, IchthuX, MyKnoppix, myLinux, Stanix
Gentoo releases 2005.0, Slackware drops GNOME, Mandrakelinux changes pace
The delayed Gentoo Linux 2005.0 was finally released early this morning. As previously announced, Gentoo Linux now defaults to kernel 2.6 and older kernels are gradually being retired. Apart from the usual security patches and package upgrades (to kernel 2.6.11, GCC 3.3.5, X.Org 6.8.2, KDE 3.3.2 and GNOME 2.8.1), there seem to be no ground-breaking new features in Gentoo 2005.0. Despite that, and despite the effort required to get it up and running, it is hard to deny that Gentoo Linux is one of the most educational and enjoyable distributions out there! Here are a few links to authoritative pages with detailed information about the new release: release announcement, release information page, and release notes (x86). The ISO images can be obtained from one of the Gentoo mirrors, via BitTorrent, or from the project's online store. Happy emerging!
Gentoo 2005.0 - a new version of the most popular source-based distribution was released over the Easter weekend.
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As we reported on the main page on Sunday, Patrick Volkerding has finally made good on his promise to remove GNOME from Slackware Linux: "gnome/*: Removed from -current, and turned over to community support and distribution. I'm not going to rehash all the reasons behind this, but it's been under consideration for more than four years. There are already good projects in place to provide Slackware GNOME for those who want it, and these are more complete than what Slackware has shipped in the past." The Current ChangeLog gives further details on the subject, as well as links to community projects that provide GNOME builds for Slackware - GNOME.SlackBuild, GWARE, and Dropline GNOME.
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Still on the subject of Slackware, if you are interested in keeping pace with the distribution's development branch (also known as "current"), as opposed to running a stable release, you have an increasing number of options. This is from Lockergnome's Linux Fanatics: "Several weeks ago, I mentioned using the GUI-driven KSlackCheck to keep Slackware packages current. It’s a solid, dependable package, but obviously requires the user to go in and handle the downloads manually. Let’s say you want to script a solution instead. Enter Slackcurrent, a lightweight (only 15K!) Python script that performs the same task. In fact, Slackcurrent is the engine behind KSlackCheck!" The story continues here.
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Following its merger with Conectiva, Mandrakesoft has announced a large number of changes affecting the development process of Mandrakelinux. Surprisingly, there will be no Mandrakelinux 10.2, despite the fact that this version has been in development for several months. Instead, we will see an unofficial "Limited Edition 2005", followed by an official and supported release in Q3 this year. The product's name has not yet been decided on, but indications are that it won't be "Mandrakelinux"; those of you who have installed the latest release candidates of Mandrakelinux 10.2 might have noticed that the product's name is conspicuously absent from the distribution's wallpaper and menus. Mandiva? Mandriva? Mandraktiva? Whatever it will be, it looks like one of the most exciting and successful "brands" in the history of the Linux movement will soon be a thing of the past.... Update: it seems that Mandrakesoft has registered the mandriva.com domain name.
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Speaking about mergers, there is a prospect that UserLinux could be incorporated into the Ubuntu project. UserLinux is an initiative launched over a year ago by Bruce Perens with the goal to advance the adoption of Debian GNU/Linux in the enterprise and to offer commercial support for the Debian distribution. It promises to provide several editions of the product, each designed for a particular task, and with only a subset of Debian packages. However, the project's releases are closely tied to those of the Debian proper, which as we know, are not particularly frequent. As such, work on UserLinux has stagnated in recent months.
Now, here comes an invitation by Ubuntu's Jeff Waugh, as published on the UserLinux mailing list: "The Ubuntu model is much closer to UserLinux than has been reported in the past. For those of us in the trenches, Ubuntu has committed to a reliable, predictable time-based release schedule... So, this is my invitation to UserLinux: To collaborate with Ubuntu to build the finest platform and community for FOSS service providers, based on our common foundation: Debian." This certainly sounds like a good idea - even if UserLinux eventually releases a stable product, it might be a case of "too little, too late". The Ubuntu project has already succeeded in stealing the spotlight, momentum, and most importantly, a rapidly increasing number of Linux users' hard disk space. If the two projects can find a common language and work together, it can only mean a good thing for the rest of us, the end users.
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Diversions: Linux-tan and Novell's view of Windows NT
Finally, two light-hearted resources for your entertainment. The first one is a link to Novell's public service announcement - a well-made and very funny video that picks on Windows NT administrators (you will need the Macromedia Flash plugin to view the movie). The second link is a sketch by Juzo-kun. Inspired by the concept of OS-tan, Juzo-kun has drawn a picture of several Manga-style girls representing all major Linux distributions on the market. Without looking at the text under the picture, can you correctly identify which girl represents which Linux distribution?
|Released Last Week
Nature's Linux 1.3
Nature's Linux 1.3 has been released. Made by IP Telecom Corporation in Japan, Nature's Linux is a minimal Linux distribution with focus on networking and security. The main new feature of this release is the inclusion of Virtual File System (VFS) jail functionality, which replaces VFS chroot in earlier releases, as well as VFS backup and recovery features. Many packages, including GCC, glibc, Perl and OpenSSH have been upgraded to their latest versions. Several minor changes and bug fixes in the installer were implemented. For more information please refer to the press release and release notes (both links in Japanese).
Foresight Desktop Linux 0.6
A new version of Foresight Desktop Linux has been released. What's new? "Conary updated to 0.50.5; included a wallpaper with a proposed logo; slick new Xscreensaver lock dialog; Bluefish and Firestarter added; some new versions; a few tweaks and bug fixes... What is cool? GNOME - Foresight comes with GNOME 2.10; Conary - Foresight is built on the paradigm shifting Conary package management system; Mono - Prepackaged Mono 1.1.4 and many Mono applications; Beagle, F-spot...." See the release announcement for more details.
aLinux is a new name of what was until recently known as Peanut Linux. The originally small distribution has grown large and "Peanut isn't a Peanut no-more, it's evolved into something, well, larger, a watermelon... Of course it will be the same, just a different name." Version 12.2 is the first release under the new name: "Changes in aLinux 12.2 are mainly xitami rebuilt, mimes added to that, and mplayer-plug, 'apt' updated to name change. RPM updated to now show a vendor, this can be over ridden in /usr/lib/rpm/macros; as well as email address. Updated RPMs popt from 1.8.1 - 1.9.1 I believe. Some other stuff updated, can't remember it all... oh yeah, kdenetwork, updated to support wireless networking... umm... think brain think... lol... Kay and I may have added some other wallpapers...." Read the announcements in this forum thread.
B2D PureKDE 20050323
B2D is a Knoppix-based live CD (it can optionally be installed on hard disk) with support for traditional Chinese. The project's PureKDE edition has been updated to version 20050323. The new release fixes several bugs reported in the earlier version, the KDE menu has been simplified, and bold text on Chinese web sites now displays correctly. A number of applications have been updated to their latest versions, including Freemind and Nvu (traditional Chinese editions), Azureus and Skype. Several small improvements have been made to settings of the persistent home directory, while ALSA has replaced OSS as the default sound module. Here is the complete release announcement (in Chinese).
B2D 20050323 - a KNOPPIX-based live CD with support for the traditional Chinese character set and input.
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Distribution Release: Minislack 0.4
Minislack 0.4 has been released: "The Minislack Linux Team is pleased to announce the availability of Minislack 0.4. This new stable release has been tested during 2 weeks of daily work. It includes updates, enhancements, and also new applications. Main updates are kernel 18.104.22.168, GCC 3.3.5, X.Org 6.8.2, GTK+ 2.6.3, Firefox 1.0.1, Gaim 1.2.0. Gnomebaker 0.3 replaces X-CD-Roast for CD/DVD burning, Beep 0.9.7 replaces XMMS and Ethereal 0.10.9 was added. Minislack 0.4 now includes an easy to setup firewall, and the install script has been simplified. Our testers report performance enhancement, reliability, and great hardware support." Here is the full release announcement.
Minislack 0.4 - a Slackware-based distribution with XFce and some eye candy
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Gentoo Linux 2005.0
Gentoo Linux 2005.0 has been released: "Gentoo Linux is proud to bring you the long awaited Gentoo Linux 2005.0 release! This release has had a few setbacks including a complete security rebuild, but with the help of the many teams within the Gentoo developer community, we believe that this release will be one of the best that we have ever had. This release includes new installation media from Alpha, AMD64, PPC, PPC64, SPARC, and x86 and includes stages for IA64 and SPARC32. Please check out our mirrors to find the closest one to you. As with 2004.3, you will be able to download optimized PackageCD images for x86 and PPC via our BitTorrent server, and also our 'unofficial' secondary BitTorrent server, provided by Friends of Gentoo e.V. in Germany." The release announcement.
Development and unannounced releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
The OpenBSD project has unveiled a new page with features and information about the upcoming OpenBSD 3.7. The new version will have support for two new architectures - Sharp Zaurus SL-C3000 and SGI's O2 machines. OpenBSD 3.7 is expected to be released at around 19 May 2005 and pre-orders are now available through the project's ordering system (US$45). More details are available on this page.
DragonFly BSD 1.5 and 2.0
Matthew Dillon has published information about the upcoming releases of DragonFly BSD 1.5 and 2.0: "After the stable tag is slipped we will begin release engineering for a release prior to USENIX (which I will be at, BTW). I am going to call this release 1.5 owing to the fact that the big ticket journaling item isn't done. The release date will be in early April. Then, tentatively, since so much progress is being made, the 2.0 release will likely occur in September." Read more in this mailing list post.
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
|Web Site News
New distributions addition
- Admelix. Admelix is a live CD distribution based on Ubuntu Linux with tools for business administration. Its main objective is to guide managers of small and medium-size businesses towards GNU/Linux and open source software. In addition to the live CD, the project's web also provides information about open and free tools for business administration.
- h3knix. h3knix is a small desktop distribution. It provides a custom package management system called "capsules". Capsules can install source or binary packages, and/or configure certain aspects of the system. h3knix offers great performance and good system stability.
New on the waiting list
- Adrenalinux. Adrenalinux is an Argentinian mini live CD based on Slackware Linux and SLAX.
- DeepStyle Linux. DeepStyle Linux is a Ukrainian distribution based on Slackware Linux.
- Hax Linux. Hax Linux is a desktop Linux distribution based on SUSE LINUX.
- Houdinix. Houdinix is a GNU/Linux live CD made for young computer science students; it's a simple and user-friendly distribution, containing all tools needed by a beginner. It contains more than 2GB of data (on a single 700MB CD), and can be installed very easily on a local hard drive with 'houdinstall'.
- IchthuX. IchthuX is an open-source project based on Knoppix. The goal of this project is to create a Christian Knoppix live CD, a full operating system containing enough programs to perform any basic task on a PC, and focusing on Christianity. IchthuX mostly uses the Sword project and contains packages such as BibleTime, GnomeSword, and Bible-KJV.
- MyKnoppix. MyKnoppix is a Knoppix-derived Linux CD that makes Knoppix practical to use as your primary OS and/or travelling companion. Unlike other Knoppix distributions, MyKnoppix automatically synchronises any modified files to your hard-disk and/or Linux-compatible USB flash-drive. MyKnoppix is also great for travelling light, as you can carry your own OS and files without carrying a laptop. To use your system, you need only find a computer, plug your flash-drive into a USB port, insert your MyKnoppix CD, and reboot.
- myLinux. myLinux is a new Ukrainian distribution based on Fedora Core.
- Stanix. Stanix is a new Taiwanese live CD based on AUSTRUMI.
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 395
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 9
- Number of discontinued distributions: 49
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 101
That's all for today. See you all next week!
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1 • Ubuntu (by Fritz on 2005-03-28 09:56:56 GMT from United States) |
I like to see Ubuntu continue to reach out to other community projects like UserLinux. Canonical seems to be doing a great job of embracing the free software mindset.
I can't believe It's already monday. . .
2 • What does that screenshot have to do with gentoo? (by Reuben on 2005-03-28 10:07:53 GMT from United States)
What was the purpose of the screenshot of gentoo? That could be a kde desktop in any distribution.
As for the linux girls, my best guesses(from left to right):
Fedora Core, since it's a red hat, but diffrent?
Debian, Old fashioned just like Debian 3.0
SuSE, the lizard, too obvious
Red Hat, read hat looks like the red hat logo, and flashy like blue curve
Mandrake, based off of redhat, but blue everything
WHere is the link to where I can find the answers?
3 • http://distrowatch.com/ (by ladislav at 2005-03-28 10:13:51 GMT from Taiwan)
What was the purpose of the screenshot of gentoo?
No real purpose, just to add some graphics to an otherwise fairly dry story and to make the whole page look pretty.
That could be a kde desktop in any distribution.
Not entirely true. Few distributions ship with the "gentoo-artwork" package ;-)
WHere is the link to where I can find the answers?
Just click on the picture.
4 • you were soooo slacking tonite.. (by rob douglas on 2005-03-28 10:25:03 GMT from United States)
its 2:28 in California now.. and i expect my issue at 12AM every monday.. bad bad ladislav.. ;-)
5 • Distro Girls... (by sn0n on 2005-03-28 10:26:39 GMT from United States)
the blue one with pacman in her hair band is ArchLinux.. i think.. :-D
6 • No subject (by sn0n (again.. sry) on 2005-03-28 10:27:37 GMT from United States)
From left to right: Debian, Mandrake, SUSE, Red Hat, Ubuntu, Gentoo, ArchLinux, Fedora and Slackware.
7 • Mandrake next release (by tousavelo on 2005-03-28 10:57:10 GMT from Belgium)
I read from Ladislav "there will be no Mandrakelinux 10.2, despite the fact that this version has been in development for several months. Instead, we will see an unofficial "Limited Edition 2005" ".
I think the confusing announcement from Mandrakesoft managed to confuse distrowatch.
As far as I understand, there will be a 10.2 release, albeit Mandrakesoft might put a fancy name on it and change a couple of things. See e.g. the announcement of 25/03/2005 for 10.2 RC2 on http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en-us/.
That release should offer no support or service. Read from Mandrakesoft: "Support & Services: No", http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/products/2546
However, security updates will be available. Read on Mandrakeclub: "Security updates will be provided. The exact period remains to be defined, we will let you know asap." http://www.mandrakeclub.com/article.php?sid=3539.
It will be also available as boxes from Mandrakestore, but not in retail. "Release Channels: Mandrakeclub, Mandrakestore (DVD + 6 CD set)" http://www.mandrakesoft.com/company/press/pr?n=/pr/products/2546 Hence, in my eyes, it will be "official" yet that might not have the same meaning as for e.g. 10.1 with the "Community Edition" and "Official Edition".
8 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-03-28 11:08:25 GMT from Indonesia)
I wasn't able to guess Debian's and ArchLinux's girl :D
I wonder why is there not Knoppix girl.
9 • No subject (by manchine on 2005-03-28 11:38:25 GMT from Spain)
Just 3 outlines:
-Ubuntu and Linspire are blatant hoaxes (both extensively tested overhere).
-Congratulations to Patrick on his choice to get rid of the gnome garbage.
-Despite my differences with the leading staff, MEPIS still prevails.
10 • Slackware & GNOME (by Chris Zotos on 2005-03-28 12:42:30 GMT from South Africa)
Does this now mean that all future releases of Slackware Linux will only require one installation disc - instead of two?
Up until now, GNOME and KDE are located on disc 2 of the installation media.
I hope so...
11 • Ubuntu/UserLinux Merger Not Likely (by Sivilius on 2005-03-28 13:03:03 GMT from United States)
Bruce Perens made several posts on Slashdot shooting down Waugh's offer for a merger.
He reasoned that while Ubuntu's goals were a step in right direction, he would rather use the Debian Sarge -stable release for the basis of UserLinux, despite his own criticisms of the lack of a new Debian-stable release.
12 • all you world belong to us? (by just john on 2005-03-28 13:13:08 GMT from United States)
Either "... belongs to you, world" or "... belongs to your world"
13 • Gentoo 2005.0 (by Kensai on 2005-03-28 14:37:04 GMT from Puerto Rico)
It's time for me to spend 3 days again installing gentoo 2005.0 since I have a new HD and didn't wanted to install any linux until Gentoo 2005.0 were released. And now comes the day. I'm just left with the decision this time should I emerge kde or gnome? I've installed gnome in all my gentoo installations before, and I think I'm much more inclined to do it again unless kde 3.4 grows in my heart while installing. Kde 3.4 is the first release I like ;)
14 • Fedora Core 4 Test 0 (by GWJ Mateo on 2005-03-28 14:48:02 GMT from United States)
Anyone notice that the first Fedora Core 4 Test was released late last week? Didn't see any notices about it anywhere.
15 • No subject (by Damnit on 2005-03-28 14:58:24 GMT from Australia)
Patrick just broke my heart
16 • Mistake (by Manuel Gomez on 2005-03-28 15:59:53 GMT from Colombia)
" Now, here comes an invitation by Ubuntu's James Waugh, as published on the UserLinux mailing list:"
Actually his name is Jeff Waugh.
17 • RE: Fedora Core 4 Test 1 (by Thomas Chung on 2005-03-28 17:21:47 GMT from United States)
>Fedora Core 4 Test 0 (by GWJ Mateo on 2005-03-28 14:48:02 GMT from >United States)
>Anyone notice that the first Fedora Core 4 Test was released late last >week? Didn't see any notices about it anywhere.
Please visit http://fedoranews.org/blog/?p=484
18 • Linux-tan license? (by Prem on 2005-03-28 17:33:37 GMT from India)
Which license is it released under, if any? Maybe I did not look hard enough but I did not find clear mention of the license?
Thanks for the weekly as always. Every since I found Distrowatch site, I look out for the weekly every Monday and its free ;)
19 • RE: Linux Tan Sketch (by relativ at 2005-03-28 17:50:13 GMT from United States)
Anyone notice how the Ubuntu girl is the only one looking squarely at you?
Also, I had to share this quote from my wife... "Judging from the illustration, I'd say he has a crush on Mandrake and Fedora. You Linux guys are funny."
20 • Linux Tan Sketch (by Scott on 2005-03-28 18:33:01 GMT from United States)
It would be cool if they would add buttons to grub with them on it for us multi boot guys. Kind of like the windoze XP home login screen. Wallpaper for KDE would be nice too.
21 • Userlinux + Ubuntu linux (by Alan Moser on 2005-03-28 18:58:18 GMT from United States)
I think that it would be great boost to the community if ubuntu and userlinux joined forces. It could bring alot of help to both distros. But it does not look like it is going to happen any time soon.
22 • Peace (by William Roddy on 2005-03-28 19:59:44 GMT from United States)
In the drawing series, not only is she looking directly at you, she is also the only person of color, and she is the only one with her spear pointed at the ground, a gesture of peaceful intentions.
23 • debian AMD64 (by warpengi on 2005-03-28 21:29:46 GMT from Canada)
The last issue of Debian News also announces the release for the AMD64 or x86_64 architecture for Woody. Seeing as how they were announcing 97% ready back in June last year it is overdue. Not out of line with the Debian release schedule, however;~)
Now when will they have the Sarge release ready??
24 • Mandrake's awkward transition (by Taft on 2005-03-28 22:40:13 GMT from Canada)
Thanks for the informative update about Mandrake tousavelo. This is a very confusing time. I am a Silver member (split the cost with some coworkers) and we've decided not to continue. "Limited Edition 2005" *IS* Mandrake 10.2 as far as I can tell. Hopefully it's released in the next 30 days so I can get Powerpack. I hope the release strategy is an improvement, the distro still has plenty of promise, just not enough to pay for this time around.
25 • Unmentioned, but (by Matt on 2005-03-28 23:58:07 GMT from United States)
The free Live CD version of Linspire Five-0 has been released. This version is simply meant as a demo and rescue CD. Therefore, it has no install capability .
Here is the officical Bittorent link:
Unlike for the full version, it is legal for anyone to download it using Bittorent or other P2P services with no charge.
26 • and more reviews for Linspire (by Matt on 2005-03-29 00:02:37 GMT from United States)
27 • gentoo (by gentooer on 2005-03-29 00:57:52 GMT from Australia)
does the new release have the graphical installer ? can anybody confirm ?
28 • I don't think it has one (by Al on 2005-03-29 01:28:50 GMT from United States)
No graphical installer yet. But there's always VidaLinux.
29 • PCWORLD Linspire review (by Alex on 2005-03-29 02:05:12 GMT from United States)
However, it's not very fair or accurate.
First of all, Linspire costs $60 only if you get the boxed version, otherwise it is only $50.
Second of all, CNR is really just an addon if you feel that it justifies the price. It is made for convenience, it is selling the delivery method much more so than the software. Others may want to use different services.
[quote]Linspire's cannot shrink existing Windows partitions to make room on the drive for Linux, so I had to turn to a third-party partitioning tool to do the job. [/quote]
Agreed, it would be nice to have this feature.
[quote]The much-lauded Gaim provides instant messaging on all the popular IM networks, but this customized version nags you to sign up for a free Voice-over-IP account at SIPphone.com, another company started by Linspire founder Michael Robertson. The nag note appears repeatedly until you finally relent and open an account with the service. [/quote]
Yeah, it's too insistent. But, VOIP is nice :)
[quote]And the selling doesn't stop there. An icon in the system tray activates a sales pitch for VirusSafe, a $40 add-on that purports to keep a Linspire system free of viruses. But closer examination reveals that the app only scans for Windows viruses that cannot infect the Linspire OS in the first place. A Linspire rep points out that VirusSafe can prevent you from forwarding viruses to your unwitting Windows-using friends. If you think that's worth the price of admission, feel free to pay up. [/quote]
That may also not be necessary, but I do not think it's a bad thing. Besides, both of these icons can be removed with a quick right click.
Furthermore, VirusSafe also catches Linux viruses, not just those for Windows. But, there are not many Linux viruses just yet :p
30 • site suggestion (by vampire_janus on 2005-03-29 04:16:46 GMT from Philippines)
Hey Lad =) It's good that newsletters already have a place in the left side of the home page of distrowatch. I actually just noticed it recently. As for the latest reviews, would it be better if the entry there does not only indicate the distro but also the site that the review came from? Just a suggestion =)
something like this
03/29 Linspire 5.0 (PCWORLD)
03/28 Linspire 5.0 (Amnews)
31 • Linspire torrent (by JimK on 2005-03-29 04:53:46 GMT from United States)
I tried to start the bittorrent for Linspire Live about 45 minutes ago, and so far it's been zero traffic up or down.
32 • Re Linspire torrent (by JimK on 2005-03-29 05:27:26 GMT from United States)
Torrent's working fine. Problem was just my firewall being overprotective.
33 • Debian/Ubuntu/Knoppix STD (by Agabus on 2005-03-29 06:51:39 GMT from Australia)
I'm waiting for debian sarge to be released, and give one of the best linux server distro's a face-lift for those un-aquainted with linux.
I also am waiting on Ubuntu hoary so I can try that out cuz I like all their customizations.
And Knoppix STD I've been waiting for, for some time. I wish they would release beta versions so I could have something to play with aswell as find bugs.
Also with the new gentoo release, i've always wanted to give gentoo a try, and I may soon. But i've heard the install can take like 3 days, and i don't really want to go 3 days without my computer. but soon maybe.
34 • RE: site suggestion (by ladislav on 2005-03-29 07:16:47 GMT from Taiwan)
This seems like a waste of space and text, since you can easily find out where the links go to by hovering your mouse over the link and checking the status bar. That's what I normally do before clicking on any link. But maybe others have different browsing habits...
35 • Firefly BSD > GoBSD? (by Olli on 2005-03-29 09:15:14 GMT from Netherlands)
What happened to GoBSD? I thought they would be responsible for the releases of Firefly?
Well we'll see, I'm excited about the upcoming release :D
36 • 13th issue of DWW (by Anonymous on 2005-03-29 10:50:18 GMT from Germany)
"Welcome to this year's 14th issue of DistroWatch Weekly!"
Last week we had Number 12.
What happened to Number 13?
37 • 13th issue (by just john on 2005-03-29 12:49:07 GMT from United States)
That's the issue that featured the supernatural distros, like SatanLinux and such.
38 • Vidalinux (by Syntax on 2005-03-29 13:33:43 GMT from United States)
Does anyone know how compatible the latest version of Vidalinux is to Gentoo?
Last time I gave it a spin, it didn't work for me when I tried to emerge to add new stuff. I don't remember what the problem I ran into but I surely remember it did not give me the same feeling as apt-get update && apt-get install easy (should be from what all I read about Gentoo).
I may give it another spin sometime this week just to see.
39 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-03-29 14:07:48 GMT from Japan)
>> But i've heard the install can take like 3 days, and i don't really want to go 3 days without my computer. but soon maybe.
Look into a stage 3 install with GRP packages, you can always re-optimize your system at your own pace once you have an up and running desktop.
Not too crazy about compiling everything myself either, but in my 3 years in using Linux i`ve yet to find a distro that lets me have it my way, without building it myself. Tried the rest always something lacking or unable to change something I don`t like, keep going back to Gentoo.
40 • Gentoo 2005.0 (by Ed Borasky on 2005-03-29 15:54:48 GMT from United States)
Of course, I'm a Gentoo bigot, so take everything I say with the view that it is biased.
1. For me, the initial install time ranges from a few hours to a weekend, depending on how I do it. The fastest way is to do a stage3 install, which gets you a tuned-to-architecture base command-line system. Then you install a few utilities (grub, etc.) and do a kernel build from source, and install any pre-compiled packages you want from a tuned-to-architecture package CD. What's on the package CD is most everything a "normal" desktop or server user would want: Gnome, KDE and some other desktops, OpenOffice, Mozilla, Firefox, Thunderbird, Evolution, apache, mysql, etc. I did one of these over the weekend, and it ran about two hours on a 1.6 GHz Athlon XP laptop. It would have been faster with a desktop because the hard drive in my laptop is dog-slow. I think that timing is comparable to Fedora or Sarge except for the kernel build. I do everything with a couple of bash scripts, which I made by text-editing the text version of the documentation :).
2. If you need packages that aren't on the package CD, then you're looking at longer installs, depending on what you need. In my case, I have to rebuild GCC to get Fortran, then install R, texmacs, Maxima and some other packages. I haven't timed that recently but I'm pretty sure if I start it when I go to bed it's done in the morning.
3. Once you've installed, you *only* have to re-install if you've hopelessly corrupted your system. You don't have to re-install for a new release. I only did the 2005.0 install from scratch for the experience / late beta testing -- I didn't have to do it. Updates are for the most part rapid, although there are some huge ones you'll want to run overnight -- gcc, xorg-x11, and especially KDE. OpenOffice and Firefox/Thunderbird are distributed in both source and binary, and I've opted for the binaries.
The main thing you'll want to watch with Gentoo is hard disk space. If you have lots of hard disk space, you can store precompiled packages on it and use them for faster installs on other systems. That's what I do -- I have an ancient laptop with a 6 GB drive and I flat out couldn't run Gentoo on it without an offboard package repository. NFS is your friend :).
41 • Got Slack? (Get your own gnome) (by fiksve on 2005-03-29 16:47:47 GMT from Norway)
I totally agree with Pat on this decision. Nothing bad about GNOME, in fact I prefer it over the bloated KDE, but slackware is a special distribution wich generally ship just one application per task, dragging around two huge desktop enviroments just doesnt fit in.
Now that the developers dont have to worry about testing, upgrading, polishing and bugfixing GNOME they will probably have a lot more time left for the rest of the distribution.
Fun drawings by the way :)
42 • Gentoo Install, KDE, Kubuntoo (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-03-29 17:36:15 GMT from United States)
I downloaded and burned a fresh ISO to cd of the new Gentoo 2005.0 + packages cd. I tried to install it. I have always wanted to try Gentoo but was way to intimidated by the text install and command line aproach. I liked the idea of customization and want a distro that fits my system. I printed out all of the 10 steps to instalation and followed them line by line for my specific processor.
Let me tell you now there is no easy or simple install. This is like driving a stickshift up a hill for the first time. There were a few steps that were briefly covered in the guide and you would have to click on to get more info(couldn't because I printed it out and was installing the system) Sure I could go and stop the flow of what I was doing and get help and read which is what I should have done but I tried doing what it said to the best of my ability. After several hours and having to repeat a few steps I was finished!! I set up grub and was ready to reboot! When I rebooted I got a messed up looking grub screen which I could not load either of the listed gentoo or xp systems??!!! So frustrating. I just spent hours to get this thing up and running and had nothing but a system I could not boot to show. Now maybe practice makes perfect and you have to try a few times but it would really be nice to have semi-automated instalation for those of us who are not as proficient but would like to use Gentoo. If anyone has any tips or suggestions I am all ears but so far my Gentoo experience has been very frustrating!! I see the potential but there has got to be a way to offer choice that is a little easier to configure and get set up!!
Also tried Debian and got that up and running in a much shorter time frame but I could not adjust the screen to the right size!! When I went into periferels in KDE it only listed 800x600 res?? Oh and I could never turn the computer off. I could log out but there was no option to shut down???
Now to KDE. I really do not understand why there are two desktops out there. Choice is good and I guess that is what it comes down to but really KDE is the best desk top ever I have ever used on any computer system. I am running 3.3 on Mepis 3.3 and the amount of configuration and customization is amazing. The more I use KDE the more impressed I am with it. I have tried Kubuntoo for the 3.4 experience but I am partial to 3.3. I am sure as more distros come out with 3.4 I will migrate but I understand why Slackware and many other distros are switching over to KDE and wonder why anyone uses Gnome? WHY??
Now to Kubuntoo and my major beef with all of the free distro's out there and some of the ones you pay for too. Why can't I have a dvd player that works?? Why do I have to get a bunch of codecs to make my system work the way it was intended. It is really frustrating to install a system and then you have to hunt down codes and the forums sometimes tell you where to get them and sometimes don't, each system uses different package managers so sometimes you can get them through the package manager and sometimes you can't. Then I have tried to download from the source and still can't figure out how to extract and install or amend to the player, why can't it just work. I will pay the lisencing fee!! My final rant is wireless. I have tried every system out there even Linspire five O and not one of them will work with my laptop?? ndiswrapper where is it and how can I get it to work?? I have downloaded drivers but then what?? How do I get them to work. Fix the wireless problem and make dvds,cds, just work and then Linux will surpass windows! And will let a lot of us dual booters switch for good!!
43 • Reply to Robzilla... (by Lance Lucas on 2005-03-29 19:49:06 GMT from United States)
I understand many of your complaints Robzilla, but you are just rehashing a rant that has been spoken many times over. Windows won't play your DVDs for free, either. In order for Windows to play DVDs, you must install DVD software, usually included with the drive or pre-installed on the machine. If you just put a bare DVD drive into a Windows machine, it WILL NOT play movies.
"but I understand why Slackware and many other distros are switching over to KDE and wonder why anyone uses Gnome? WHY??"
Who is switching? Red Hat, Fedora, Debian and Ubuntu all call Gnome their default, and SuSE is supporting it more than before (9.3 will have current GNOME release, whereas previous SuSE releases also came with dated GNOME releases). And the reason Gnome exists is because KDE is simply too bloated/busy/cluttered for some people. For some people, like you, it's not. Like you say, freedom of choice....
As for package managers and such, you will be hard pressed to convice me that you couldn't find a package you *needed* with Kubuntu or Debian (assuming sarge or sid). If you had all repositories enabled, there should be just about everything under the sun available via apt-get/Synaptic.
And if you want to rant on wireless, write your card's manufacturer a letter. Ask them to go open-source. Otherwise, try RTFM for Ndiswrapper - for a bulk of machines, it really does take about 18 seconds total to get it working. I have both Dell and Linksys external wireless cards which can be setup w/Ndiswrapper on a new machine nearly instantly. Use the version bundled with your distro, and read the Wiki. Happy surfing...
44 • DVDs (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-29 20:45:10 GMT from United States)
Blame US law and blame the MPAA, not the GNU/Linux distributions.
45 • DVD's (by Visitor on 2005-03-29 21:50:40 GMT from United States)
DVDs (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-29 20:45:10 GMT from United States)
Blame US law and blame the MPAA, not the GNU/Linux distributions.
Hey, don't blame them....
Blame the licensing fees of the people who own the patents involved in DVD's.
There are NO legal, free mpeg-2 encoders or decoders, regardles of the OS involved.
46 • DVD's (by BigLinuxandBSD Fan on 2005-03-30 03:31:33 GMT from United States)
I challenge some of the above comments with respect to DVD's. I know for instance that SLAX can play DVD's from the get go. FreeSBIE, STUX, Mandrake(Move) can play DVD's. The exception those that are encrypted and you need to get libdvdcss2. As far as other distros, it is a matter of getting all the stuff that you need. I have done exactly that for a Fedora Core 3 install, and everything works great!. I have xine, Mplayer and Kplayer and all of them work fine. The sound is of much better quality than that in windows and I cannot complain. It is a matter of getting all the codecs and resolving dependencies and packages that are needed. All the hard work in the end pays off!! Cheers to all?
47 • DVDs (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-30 08:22:58 GMT from United States)
Restrictions on codecs for mp3s are a matter of license fees charged by the patent holders, but the restrictions surrounding dvds are a matter of anti-piracy laws in the US, pushed by the MPAA.
All that Hollywood money Democrats get is NOT to push a "radical left wing agenda" as conservative pundits suggest. It's to get legislation that places the MPAA's perceived financial interests above people's right to privacy and the development of technology.
48 • Waiting............... (by Alan Moser on 2005-03-30 14:10:51 GMT from United States)
.............. waiting for Ubuntu RC1...........................................................
.......................Just keep swimming...Just keep swimming.............
49 • ndiswrapper-dvd codecs (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-03-30 21:44:40 GMT from United States)
I appreciate the advice but my whole point which most of you are missing is that in Windows Xp on a computer that you buy after it is set up and you want to put a dvd, cd, whatever it works. I do not know how or why or what lisencing this they have done, I don't care about all of that. I care that it works. I did not have to go and hunt down codes and then because I am not advanced enough of a Linux user I can't even install the codecs after they are downloaded and don't even start about resolving dependencies? The majority of end users who are new to Linux and would like an alternative to Windows and Apple would like an alternative that works without a ton of hassle. As far as distro's go I want one that does work in ever regard without me having to work at getting it to work.
Don't get me wron I like Linux and the whole approach and I understand the legal issues behind them to a point and yes maybe slax or Mandrake works-I have not used them. As for Fedora I installed F3 and I could not play a dvd. What other dvds would you play but a movie that you bought? Home Videos, Movies copied from your computer or downloaded? I am talking about Movies you buy. I am suggesting that it would be great to have a dvd player that will work out of the box on a free distro and pay a fee that would allow you to resolve the lisencing issues. In other words it would cost nothing or a small amount for the distro and they would include the codes and activate the players by default and I would pay $10 or whatever for that service?? Does that make sense? Am I crazy for wanting it easy? I think it would go along way in getting more people on board with Linux and getting them to switch. Everything else works except my wireless which I will leave for another segment. ndiswrapper?? How odes it work??
50 • Damn fast ! (by Anonymous on 2005-03-30 23:19:04 GMT from United States)
Damn, the latest damnsmalllinux really cooks when loaded toram
Why don't we see more talk about this little distro?
Fits in my pocket, and rocks where other distros choke
51 • You're not crazy (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-30 23:19:59 GMT from United States)
What you describe would be great. But you'll never have a machine that just works in every respect until you have OEMs shipping boxes with GNU/Linux installed. Point one. Trying building a computer and installing that other OS and see how many drivers you still have to find for much of your hardware. The fact that most OEMs do that work for you but that it's much harder to get someone to do that for you with GNU/Linux is a matter of market share and M$ abuse of monopoly power.
Point two. The issue of playing DVDs (DEcrypting) you purchase from a video store is not just a matter of licensing fees, as is the case with mp3 ENcryption. The fact is there simply IS NO LEGAL DVD player for GNU/Linux. The MPAA has promised this for years, but it hasn't come along. Meanwhile, using what IS available is a CRIME in the US. Distributing it is a CRIME in the US. No major distro, free or otherwise, not even a distro like MEPIS that makes a point of supporting other non-free formats, is going to make that available from mirrors within the US because they could very easily end up IN PRISON. Trafficking in so-called copyright circumvention technologies is a federal crime in the US.
But no, you're not crazy to want it.
Incidentally, it's actually pretty straightorward with a Debian-based distro to work around these restrictions. (But I am in NO WAY advocating you do so if you live in the US.) http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/RestrictedFormats provides info on how to do it with Ubuntu. I imagine it can't be much harder with fedora, though I have no first hand acquaintance with that or any other rpm based distro.
52 • dvd (by nightshade on 2005-03-31 00:36:18 GMT from Australia)
I have no problem veiwing or burning dvds with FC3...........
Was very little work to get it all going.
53 • Slackware: Some information on Gnome, none on swaret (by GP on 2005-03-31 00:51:19 GMT from Canada)
Isn't it amazing to see our dear jerk Man give so much information on why he's dropping Gnome whereas never a SINGLE word was said on his reason(s) for dropping swaret?
Could it be that it was because swaret was seamlessly updating from one version to the next and that he feared it might impact his revenue?
Sickening! Truly sickening!
54 • You Have a Point (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-03-31 02:10:32 GMT from United States)
Good Points. I understand a little more now. It is funny how we live in the land of the free and yet are freedom can seem rather restricted at times.
The other issue I have is with Wireless. Someone told me here to use ndiswrapper and in a manner of minutes I would be surfing the web. Well it has been more than a few minutes and still wired!! I downloaded the windows/manufacturer drivers in my home folder and ran the ndiswrapper in konsole but to no avail. NAda. It sure would be nice to be wireless. Any tips other than telling me you got it working in seconds which helps your ego and not my problem??
Seriously though each day I learn more, each day I get a little better and litlle closer to ditching the BIg Money M$ system!!
55 • Linux-tan link doesn't work (by EEDOK on 2005-03-31 05:10:44 GMT from Canada)
56 • Robzilla (by Lance Lucas on 2005-03-31 06:21:12 GMT from United States)
Here is a tip, instead of "helping my ego"...came across this one using the remarkable service known as "google":
There is even a list of cards *known* to work...you've checked that, right? And followed the wiki instructions? Because if it's known to work and you followed the instructions, odds are, it would be working by now. If you would like some real help, e-mail me an actual description of the problem (more than "NAda. It sure would be nice to be wireless.") and I would be more than happy to help you get it going. In fact, if you don't e-mail me, I'll know you are just ranting about frustrations rather than looking for a real solution, because I am serious and I will help you to the absolute best of my ability.
57 • Skip publishing news about Lindows(Linspire) promote Kanotix (by Karl Anjou on 2005-03-31 08:29:59 GMT from Sweden)
After unsuccessfully trying to download the Lindows (Linspire) 5.0 live distribution they claim is free for downloading via bittorrent, my belief is that the post in your listing is just a marketing trick. They do not want anybody to download it for free. My first attempt on downloading halted after about 12-15MB before filling the rest with garbage. My second attempt has come to a halt at about 6MB. They do not seem to have any copy online to bittorrent from. On the spurious moments I have been able to both locate their bittorrent server and another bittorrent client allowing new seeds I have been able to complete 0.9% of the download in about 24h. And the last 18h have been without any connection to a seeder, sometimes the bt server has been down too. Don't promote them as an open OS if they do not comply with the GPL rules. Promote Kanotix instead which does comply and is a very convenient and plesant acquaintance.
Thank you for a very nice service with DistroWatch
58 • Foolishness (by AxelFendersson on 2005-04-01 01:19:37 GMT from United Kingdom)
Why did I have to give up on identifying the Linux-tans and look at the answers so quickly? It's really irritating going back and seeing all the little references to the distros' logos that would have revealed the answers if I hadn't already peeked.
59 • Re: Skip publishing news about Lindows(Linspire) (by Ariszló on 2005-04-01 06:50:35 GMT from Hungary)
Here I disagree, even though I don't use Linspire. DistroWatch has always been a site with information about every known distro and IMHO it should continue so.
BTW. Does Michael's Minutes count as a newsletter?
60 • rt2400/2500 (by im_ka on 2005-04-01 17:53:38 GMT from Sweden)
does anyone know a distro that includes the driver for rt2500 based wlan cards? suse 9.2 doesn't (9.3 will, but i don't feel like buying it), ubuntu hoary doesn't...
my laptop is being fixed after a hd crash so i'll probably try out some distros.
61 • Quick Distro Eval: Ark Linux 2005.1 SR1 still fails on Thinkpad X20 (by Rokky on 2005-04-02 21:57:17 GMT from United States)
I had hoped the SR1 would get around the problem I had with the previous version: install boots, GUI installer comes up (altho I did catch some module missing issues like yenta for PC Card support (?)), I tell it to do "Parallel" install (with existing Win98/FreeBSD partitions), it flashes a few screens, and says it is "done installaing" ... in about 5 seconds, exits, and reboots.
I was going to replace the Mini-slack 0.4 installation - not bad, altho failure of Xine to play DVD's, and generally unfamiliar Slackware environment (since the days I loaded it via diskettes on a 386 ;-) encouraged me to "move along".
Yes, I am flitting - trying to find something that is as 'easy to install' as Ark Linux claims. I have been dabbling in linux for over 10 years (still have my Yggdrasil CD with Mitsumi CD ROM 1x driver), but it has always had 'issues' that keep me stuck with the "mainstream", Windows (OS/2 in the mid-to-late 90's, when it almost got to "mainstream" before IBM caved in to M$ extortion).
I have compiled kernels, configured wireless, configured Xfree86, installed packages, but I have just gotten tired of all this rolling my own (and in differing ways), and want something that does it all without a lot of effort, and is consistend and reliable - almost had it with Mandrake 9.1, until, when it stopped associating a desktop icon with Open Office one fine day, I went to 9.2, and it could not even associate html with Mozilla.... argghhhh!
Too many distros, too many combos, too many changes - tired of it.... but trust M$ less than ever... maybe I will just dig into FreeBSD more - at least it hasn't forked much...
62 • Linux is getting There, Ark Linux is not even close!! (by Robzilla-L.A. on 2005-04-03 00:32:32 GMT from United States)
I hear what you are saying. I have only been into Linux a short while and have voiced similar complaints on this forum. There are way too many choices but is that a bad thing?
Ark Linux sucks! I tried to install it and the new sr1 and nothing. If this is for newbies to never try Linux again then maybe Ark Linux is good. I think M$ gave em some money to piss people off!!
Yes it is tireing but it is also choice! Does microsoft or Apple give you a choice of systems? You get windows xp or xp -pro or you get os10 and if you don't like it then you are screwed!
As with everything in life it is difficult to get everything you want in one package. I mean you buy a watch and it looks good and then there is something about it you don't like. At first it was great and now you don't want to look at it. You could replace watch with car or any number of things which at first win you over and then you get tired of.
So is Linux perfect no way! I am still trying to get my wireless function on my laptop working. Luckily for me I have some help from a fellow distro watch reader.
I think the difference is that there is a community of people willing to help out and as Linux grows it improves. Perfect no but is any OS out there perfect? I bought an apple laptop and all of the salesman said it would be nearly crash proof. Much more stable. So I bought it and within a week I had a crash and in fact every time I would boot up it would hang up. I could not apple key , ctll, esc. Nothing would happen. Called customer service they could not help, took it to the Apple Store and they said they have never seen a problem like this but with all complex machines sometimes you get a lock up??? I said the whole selling point to Apple is that it is stable? No answer for that! At least with Windows and Linux if I get a lock-up I hit control alt delete and it works!!
As far as one distro with everything Mepis 3.3 is about as close as you are going to get. The debian repository is amazing and it works really well. The Live Cd is also a recovery disk. Mepis and Vector Linux are in my opinion the easiest to install and Vector is about as stable and fast as it gets while Mepis is about as complete and stable as it gets. Apt-get what you don't have or use synaptic! Vector is a little harder to add packages but I am sure if you have compiled your kernal you could add a package in vector that is not in Slapt-get.
Microsoft is security nightmare and the trend will only get worse. Instead of fixing the security problems within there operating sytems and browser and e-mail client they are getting in the anti-virus and spyware market. Why fix it when you can make more money on it?
My advice to you is if you want a system with everything complete and easy and can afford it buy an Apple. It may crash and unless you spend a gazillion dollars it will be slow but at least you won't have to buy a bunch of software just so you can run it. And then spend the time scanning for hours!!
63 • Distro Evals (by Rokky on 2005-04-03 01:58:22 GMT from United States)
Guess I should take another look at Mepis - had issues with it a few versions ago (probly the wifi in a laptop - the usual showstopper up front, but the Mini-Slack experience has reminded me of checking out the *wireless.opts file down in the /etc/rc.d* tree, which was the key to getting Mandrake 9.1 working for me despite a bug with that in that the GUI config would set it up right... until I saved it, upon which it would then revert to the default, so I figured out that I needed to copy the GUI-modified wireless.opts file in an xterm window just before clicking "save", then use that copy to re-set the file with the updates from the GUI process - obvious, eh?).
I just installed Vector 5.0.1 SOHO on a Fujitsu Stylistic C500 tablet PC, but since it will not install from a boot floppy (a nice "modern" touch), that took tinkering with the "install from HDD" procedure/script since the script had bugs that kept it from running, like checking for running as root, but not getting the right response from its own test, no "file" command in the install path, so that test would fail, etc. - luckily I have been shell scripting for a number of years (mostly Solaris), and I could do the debugging/workarounds, but I don't think most folks could. Since most can install from a CD boot, the issue does not crop up for them. Then I got hung up with ... the wifi config of course - need to take another look, and maybe I can find where Vector hides its wireless.opts file ;-}
I always am trying to make do with off-the-wall stuff like that Fujitsu, or an X20, so I have mostly myself to blame, but still, you would think booting an install from floppy should not be that hard an option for a distro to retain "from the old days".
Linux supporters are always blasting M$ for neglecting backwards compatibility, and requiring ever more powerful hardware, and bragging how we can make "old computers" useful, but the definition of "old" seems to have evolved to only 1-2 years old with most active distros focusing on all the cutting edge hardware - not much better than M$. Although, it does help that it is not illegal to use old Linux distros...
Rokky (the old-fashioned masochist ;-)
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|• Issue 636 (2015-11-16): openSUSE 42.1, Fedora uses Wayland by default, Debian replaces live CD project, Steam consoles launch|
|• Issue 635 (2015-11-09): Fedora 23, Cinnamon 2.8 released, a Fedora KDE packager quits, Red Hat signs deal with Microsoft|
|• Issue 634 (2015-11-02): Ubuntu 15.10, Chakra upgrades to Plasma 5, OpenMandriva plans new editions, MINIX plans conference|
|• Issue 633 (2015-10-26): GhostBSD 10.1, Bodhi Linux to get new settings panel, Fedora 23 delayed, creating live image of existing OS|
|• Issue 632 (2015-10-19): Linux Lite 2.6, 32-bit build of CentOS, OpenBSD turns 20, Bodhi Linux releases AppPack|
|• Issue 631 (2015-10-12): Parsix 8.0, Manjaro seeks new artwork, sending commands to multiple servers, Debian drops LSB support|
|• Issue 630 (2015-10-05): Android-x86 4.4-r3, Ubuntu's new installer, Raspbian defaults to GUI interface, cleaning out dot files|
|• Issue 629 (2015-09-28): Open source desktops and touch interfaces, locking down user accounts, OpenMandriva opens gaming documentation|
|• Issue 628 (2015-09-21): Neptune 4.4, changes to pfSense, Pinguy OS releases updated ISO images, accessing hard disk images|
|• Full list of all issues|
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