| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 91, 14 March 2005
Welcome to this year's 11th issue of DistroWatch Weekly! It is "CeBIT" time again, which means lots of interesting news and announcements. It seems that the CeBIT edition of KNOPPIX 3.8 is a runaway success and there is a lot to look forward to next month when SUSE LINUX 9.3 starts shipping. Plenty of excitement on the desktop front too, with the brand new GNOME 2.10 freshly out of the oven and KDE 3.4 following shortly. Also, don't miss our much improved distribution search engine with several new features added within the last few days! Enjoy!
Knoppix 3.8 CeBIT edition available, SUSE LINUX 9.3 coming soon
As has become a tradition at this time the year, the developers of Knoppix have put together a special edition of the popular live CD to give away during the CeBIT exhibition in Hannover, Germany. ZDNet, in its article entitled Linux a picture of health at CeBIT, described the events at the Knoppix booth on Friday: "Klaus Knopper attracted a packed crowd on Friday lunchtime when he demonstrated the latest version of his Linux distribution. So many people turned up to Knopper's event that there wasn't a spare seat to be had, and our correspondent on the ground reports that 'a mad rush broke out' when Knoppix 3.8 CDs were distributed." If you haven't been able to make it to CeBIT, don't despair - although Knoppix 3.8 has not been released publicly, it is still GPL software and some of the lucky attendees were happy to share it with the rest of us. Get the Knoppix 3.8 torrents from here or here.
Knoppix 3.8 - distributed this week at the CeBIT exhibition in Hannover
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Still at CeBIT 2005, a new version of SUSE LINUX was announced last week. Depending on your geographical location, it should be available at around 18 April: "Novell today announced the availability of its latest Linux offering, SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3, due to ship mid-April, 2005." Among the more interesting features in this version is XEN virtualisation, which lets users run multiple versions of the operating system simultaneously. SUSE 9.3 will be highly "cutting-edge", with kernel 2.6.10, X.Org 6.8.2, KDE 3.4, GNOME 2.10 and a pre-release version of OpenOffice.org 2.0 all packed into the distribution. The usual range of improvements in the hardware and notebook support arena should make this release a worthwhile product to own. You can find more information about SUSE LINUX 9.3 in the official press release and on the product's preview page.
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And still in Germany, the developers of SphinxOS have emailed to tell us that the "Home edition" (without CrossOver, Cedega and support) of their Linux distribution is now available for free download. This offer is limited for the duration of the CeBIT exhibition and will end on 20 March. SphinxOS is a commercial offspring of MEPIS Linux developed for the German-speaking market; if you understand German, you can find more information and pretty screenshots on the SphinxOS.com web site.
SphinxOS 4.0 - a commercial distribution based on MEPIS Linux and developed for the German-speaking market.
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Kyle Sallee, the lead developer of Sorcerer has sent us news about an interesting new technology that could be of interest to dial-up users and to those who run source-based distributions and frequently download large source files from the Internet. Called sdelta, the project claims to be able to save much time and many megabytes while upgrading an older source package to a later version. Since new releases of many projects typically contain 85% of recycled code, claims Kyle, users should not need to download the full source code of a new release. A small patch is often all that is needed to convert old sources into new ones. The sdelta technology has been used in Sorcerer for several months and is now also available as a standalone product. For more information, please visit the sdelta project page.
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If you are running Slackware Linux in a server environment, you might be interested in this excellent article explaining how to install and use the exec-shield kernel patch on your Slackware 10.1 system: "The Holy Grail of most any hacker trying to get access to a system is the remote buffer overflow attack. Well, actually, it's finding a Windows PC not protected by a firewall, but the remote buffer overflow attack is a (somewhat) close second. This article will discus one way to help protect against this type of attack on a Slackware Linux system with the installation of a special system called exec-shield." Read more at userlocal.com.
GNOME 2.10 released, KDE 3.4 coming this week
The two most popular open source desktop environments are getting major uplifts - GNOME 2.10 was released last week and KDE 3.4 is expected shortly. For those who would like to try out the GNOME 2.10 desktop without having to compile your own binaries and without having to wait for your distribution's new release, you have several options. One of the more interesting one is the GnomeLiveCd, a semi-official live CD by the GNOME project to showcase their latest technologies: "The goal here is to create a LiveCD to demonstrate GNOME. The initial impetus was to be able to send a GNOME LiveCD to journalists and news agencies so that they can test and talk about GNOME without installing it, but others have expressed interest as well." Besides GnomeLiveCd, the latest pre-release version of Ubuntu Linux, as well as Foresight Linux now include GNOME 2.10. Screenshots are available here.
GnomeLiveCd 2.10 - demonstrating the latest enhancements in the popular desktop
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|Released Last Week
GoblinX is a Brazilian Linux distribution based on Slackware Linux. Version 1.1 is out with the following changes: "Added kernel 2.6.10; added udev and removed devfs; added Unionfs and removed OVLFS; added SquashFS; faster boot and less memory used by live CD; added Busybox to create a smaller initrd; added Fluxbox and Enlightenment; added three more languages: German, French and Spanish; added 'nofirewall' option to disable firewall at boot; added 'alsa' option to enable alsaconf at boot; added "gdm" option to start X using GDM; changed some themes and icons, and changed bootsplash theme to include animations...." Read the rest of the changelog for more details.
CentOS 4.0 (x86_64)
CentOS 4.0 for x86_64 processors has been released: "The CentOS team is pleased to announce availability of CentOS 4.0 x86_64. This product supports AMD x86_64 and Intel EM64T processors, including all compatible platforms. Major new features include the Linux 2.6 Kernel, SELinux, udev replacing the /dev system, X.Org, MySQL4, CyrusIMAPd, GNOME 2.8 and KDE 3.3. These improvements along with many more are detailed in the release notes available online." Here is the full release announcement.
Kurumin Linux 4.1
Kurumin Linux 4.1 has been released. This version includes various minor improvements and refines the work that went into 4.0. The next version will provide a general package update to synchronise the included package set with the Debian Testing repository. The improvements in Kurumin Linux 4.1 include: redesign of the "clica-aki" control panel in order to provide users with a better visual experience and to add new panels; better hardware support with the addition of hwsetup-kurumin, which includes drivers for hardware commonly used in Brazil; newly added support for Intel 536 modems and various TV cards; speed improvements to Kurumin-emu, and many other changes as detailed in the changelog (in Portuguese).
An updated version of DNALinux, a SLAX-based live CD with applications specific to Bioinformatics, has been released: "DNALinux 0.4 has been updated. There are 3 new features: support for 5 new languages - French, Spanish, German, Portuguese, and Italian; updated BLAST to 2.2.10; Firefox 1.0 with Flash player pre-installed. To activate a new language, just put 'slax load=xx' in the boot screen. xx should be replaced by one of these: it, de, fr, pt and es (it - Italian, de - German, fr - French, pt - Portuguese and es - Spanish). Next DNALinux (0.5) will be based on the upcoming SLAX 5.0." Here is the full release announcement.
Conectiva Linux 10 Update 1
Conectiva has released a security and bug-fix update CD for Conectiva Linux 10. From the release notes: "Welcome to the Conectiva Linux 10 Update 1. This CD includes: official updates, installer with fixes, kernel 2.6.10 final plus extra patches, new NVIDIA driver 6629, new Mozilla 1.7.3, drbd 0.7.5, ALSA 1.0.7. This CD can be used in two ways - to update an already installed system with Conectiva Linux 10, doing 'apt-cdrom add' and 'apt-get dist-upgrade', or to install Conectiva Linux 10; simply boot this update CD and follow the normal installation procedures. The installer will use the updated packages and will ask for the other CL 10 CDs according to the installation profile. Due to installer architecture, you can also make a minimal install with only this update CD."
Development and unannounced releases
eduKnoppix 2.1.0 - a well-designed Italian live CD with educational software
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|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
SUSE LINUX 9.3
Novell has announced details about the upcoming release of SUSE LINUX 9.3, scheduled for next month: "From a stable and reliable Linux operating system to a complete set of desktop applications - including an office suite, a Web browser, an instant-messaging client, multimedia viewers and graphical software - SUSELINUX Professional 9.3 has it all. It also offers the latest open source applications for developing applications, setting up a home network, running a Web server and doing much more. With the convenience of installation media, complete documentation, and installation support, SUSE LINUX Professional delivers desktop reliability and security at an affordable price. SUSE LINUX Professional 9.3 will be shipping mid-April, 2005." Find out more information on the SUSE 9.3 preview page. The product is now available for pre-order (US$99.95 for the full edition and US$59.95 for the upgrade edition).
Fedora Core 4 Test1
The release of Fedora Core 4, Test1 was further delayed by a day and is now scheduled for 15 March. Find more details on the Fedora Core release schedule page.
The latest SLAX newsletter provides some information about the upcoming SLAX 5.0: "After a few months of silence, a new version of SLAX is coming." From the list of planned features: "New SLAX 5 will be the most innovative and promising SLAX ever. We will switch to 2.6 kernel line. Zisofs compression will be replaced by SquashFS, which provides better compression ratio and higher read speed. OVLFS (which was the most amazing and exciting feature specific only for SLAX) will be replaced by Unionfs. The ability to fit SLAX to a mini CD (or mini DVD) medium is still the highest priority." Read more on this page.
Linux Caixa Mágica 10 Desktop
A new version of Linux Caixa Mágica, a Portuguese Linux distribution based on SUSE LINUX, will be formally released on 14 April 2004. Read more in the release announcement (in Portuguese).
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
|Web Site News
Those of you who prefer to visit one of the local mirrors of DistroWatch might have noticed that some of them are no longer updated. This is because we have moved all news from a plain text file into a SQLite database over the weekend. The decision was not taken lightly, but due to the ever growing site, it is no longer feasible to keep data in text files. The move should make it easier for us to maintain the news section and improve performance of the web server. On the negative side, most of our mirrors were not configured with support for SQLite and are no longer able to mirror DistroWatch. The only exceptions are the mirrors in Austria and Romania, but those of you who have been using our mirrors in the USA and Australia will have to visit the main site from now on. Our apologies for the inconvenience.
More search features
We have made some progress with our search engine last week and we are pleased to report that processor support has been included (many thanks to Mark Kowarsky who collected and organised the data). This was one of the most frequently requested features for a long time, so hopefully we won't receive any more emails requesting the feature. Now it is a simple matter of selecting your processor from a drop-down box and hit the refresh button to display all distributions that support a particular processor. Alternatively, you can also type in a URL into your browser; for example, if you'd like to see all distributions for the PowerPC architecture, you can simply type: http://distrowatch.com/search.php?architecture=powerpc. Similarly, distributions have now been categorised based on various criteria - as an example, you can get a list of all live CDs or firewalls with just a few mouse clicks. As always, if you spot any errors, or if there is anything else that you'd like to see, let us know.
New distributions addition
- Foresight One Linux. Foresight Linux is a distribution based on Specifix Linux (and its Conary package management), which showcases the latest and greatest from the GNOME project. Some of the more innovative things are included, like beagle, howl, and the latest hal. All of this, plus some nice, clean default themes and artwork.
New on the waiting list
- Featherweight Linux. Featherweight Linux is an installable live CD based on Feather Linux. It is a full featured distribution with a small foot print that is light and fast, even on older machines, but still carries a knockout punch. It comes with a minimal KDE 3.3 desktop and several favourite applications like Firefox, Thunderbird, Gaim, GIMP and more. Nevertheless, it is still small compared to many of its competitors.
- Kaizen Linux. Kaizen Linux is more than just another Linux distribution. Kaizen is a framework for managing the development and deployment of customised Linux-based installations. The Linux operating system is built from hundreds of different software programs and libraries that need to work together in a functioning manner. This is no small task for developers, package maintainers and system administrators. The Kaizen framework simplifies this process through a number of projects. The proof of concept for the Kaizen framework is Kaizen Linux.
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 393
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 9
- Number of discontinued distributions: 49
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 92
|DistroWatch in the News
DistroWatch founder and maintainer interviewed
The nice folks at LinuxSoft.cz have asked me a few questions about how I started with DistroWatch and other topics. This developed into an email interview:
"FH: How you get the idea of founding DistroWatch?
LB: This happened while I was with Linpus Technologies. My boss asked me to compile a feature list of all the main distributions on the market so that we can compare them with our own product. This was an easy task, I thought, and started searching the web for the information. To my surprise, I couldn't find any good and up-to-date Linux distribution comparison charts, so I had to do all the work myself by visiting each distribution's web site and extract all the data from their web pages. This took me several days. Once I collected the data, I decided to put them up on a web page so that those who might need such information can get it easily. The page proved very popular right from the start and I soon found myself flooded with email and suggestions. I registered the distrowatch.com domain shortly after that."
If interested, you can read the rest of the interview here (also available in Czech).
That's all for today. See you all next week!
1 • DW Search Engine (by Joe Somebody on 2005-03-14 09:31:42 GMT from Malaysia) |
I can't believe how far the Search Engine has progressed in such a relatively short time....great work Ladislav!
2 • About search.php (by adrian15 on 2005-03-14 09:39:12 GMT from Spain)
Clicking search.php leads to: http://distrowatch.com/search.php
which gives you a page with the seach options you have decided and then a very looooong webpage with the results of all these options checked on All and Active.
I suppose that making a search for eveyone that goes to http://distrowatch.com/seach.php wastes a lot of bandwith because of the webpage length and it also wastes a lot of cpu in the distrowatch server.
3 • RE: About search.php (by ladislav on 2005-03-14 09:44:03 GMT from Taiwan)
That's a good point. Maybe I should limit it to top 25 distributions or something similar, less bandwidth-intensive.
4 • Nerolinux (by kalinux on 2005-03-14 09:51:54 GMT from United States)
Not a word about NeroLinux ,sparked alotof flames today
5 • DW Search Engine (by Prem on 2005-03-14 10:50:57 GMT from India)
I am unable to search for distribution with architecture=x86_64. The search returns the full list of distributions. Also unable to search for Live CD Distros
6 • RE: DW Search Engine (by ladislav on 2005-03-14 10:58:48 GMT from Taiwan)
Try again, it's fixed now. Thanks for reporting the bug :-)
7 • Am I the only one who spotted this? (by Ed Borasky on 2005-03-14 13:34:36 GMT from United States)
Kinda buried in the SuSE 9.3 announcement was the fact that the distro includes the Xen virtualization software!! Is SuSE the first to "market" this? If so, congratulations to them!!
8 • re: nero (by titiv69 on 2005-03-14 13:45:19 GMT from France)
to :kalinux on 2005-03-14 09:51:54 GMT from United States)
What does nero have to be seen in distrowatch ?
Most probably you want to create a new distro out of it, just an Idea for the name:
Call it windows...
For the rest : read and don't touch, k3b rocks.
9 • re: nero (by titiv69 on 2005-03-14 13:45:19 GMT from France) (by Anonymous on 2005-03-14 13:57:51 GMT from United States)
The reason you might want to advertise Nero is:
1) Commercial Appliation for Linux
2) Shows vendor support.
3) Someone might want a choice.
IMHO, companies that support FOSS should be acknoledged to an extent. But, I guess, there are varining opinions on this subject.
10 • Koppix 3.8 (by John Coombes on 2005-03-14 14:49:11 GMT from Australia)
Ladislav Bodnar wrote above "Get the Knoppix 3.8 torrents from here or here"
I am about to get from the "dk" tracker BUT it would be nice to know if it is going to be a DE or EN version ?
ah well, and yes I know, there is always the cheet code:- knoppix lang=us
It would have been nice to know what one is getting before hand :-(
11 • RE: Koppix 3.8 (by ladislav on 2005-03-14 15:15:01 GMT from Taiwan)
You asked a good question and you answered it equally well :-) It is indeed a German version, but after passing the cheat code to the boot prompt, the CD boots into a gloriously English environment (as you can see on the screenshot). The only problem I had was to find the "equal" sign on a German keyboard, for your information it's where the ")" key is on a US keyboard (i.e SHIFT + 0). Have fun!
12 • RE: Knopp 3.8 change DE to US English (by UnderScore on 2005-03-14 15:36:08 GMT from United States)
I have already hexedited and created a fully default US English version of this 3.8 ISO file. If anyone is interested, the process for hexediting the ISO is described here http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=78397#78397. The hexedit allows me to edit the /boot/isolinux/isolinux.cfg file. I searched & then replaced every entry of lang=de to lang=us. Also see the man page for the CLI hexedit utility: http://www.chez.com/prigaux/hexedit.html
13 • Gnome 2.10 (by Ariszló on 2005-03-14 15:53:38 GMT from Hungary)
As reported in last week's DistroWatch Weekly, an unofficial Gnome 2.10 build is also available for Slackware:
14 • linuxsoft.cz article (by crawancon on 2005-03-14 16:03:32 GMT from United States)
the interview with you and linuxsoft.cz was well worth the read. triggers some questions though....
Hup.hu and root.cz.. do you know of anything that is english equivalent? (granted i could just try translation of these originals..)
and asian linux... ehhh i don't need to go off on that on this forum.. nevermind :-)
and whats up with auditor linux, never saw it on "new on the waiting list" unless i'm missing something.
Thanks for the excellent new search criteria.. (that should shut alot of people up!)
happy monday lad!
15 • mandrake 10.2 rc1 (by leo on 2005-03-14 16:05:02 GMT from United States)
is it me or 10.2 rc1 is out according to the twiki ? It's not posted here in DW right ?
16 • Some interesting search results (by Joel Ebel on 2005-03-14 16:56:30 GMT from United States)
Doing a few tests, I noticed that putting in a status of "All" doesn't yield any results. That looks like a bug.
Secondly, I searched for USB Distributions, and I'm very sad. My distribution, which until Flash linux appeared, was the only purely USB distribution, is not present. Only Flash Linux and some knoppix derivatives are listed. RUNT is by all means a USB distribution. I figure this must be an oversight in the database. Additionally, although I have no affiliation with them, puppy and SLAX should probably be listed as well since both have USB capability.
17 • Re: Nerolinux (by warpengi on 2005-03-14 18:39:57 GMT from Canada)
Nerolinux doesn't look like a new distro. Can't say that I would be opposed to it appearing on distro watch but as it is not a distro and not open source or based on open source I don't think there is any obligation to cover it.
18 • Search engine (by EEDOK on 2005-03-14 18:41:04 GMT from Canada)
Shouldn't BeatrIX and Vector be filtered as distributions aimed at older computers? I can forsee this becoming a much bigger project than anticipated..
19 • mandrake 10.2 rc1 (by lezard on 2005-03-14 20:55:06 GMT from France)
Ladislav, you forgot the 10.2 rc1 release. Nevermind, you're doing a great job !
20 • search site (by Groool on 2005-03-14 22:50:10 GMT from Austria)
The search feature is progressing great, thanks a lot Ladislav.
One minor suggestion: Do you have any rules for what to write in the USB-section? I mean, some LiveCDs can be put on USB aswell. If your stick is large enough, (watch what you're thinking :-) you can even load Knoppix or Kanotix from it. Haven't tried it yet, but I'm sure I read some serious how-tos. So my suggestion: Set the standard to a 128 stick. Everything smaller should be added. Oh, and Puppy Linux is missing in the list.
keep up the good work!
21 • RE: mandrake 10.2 rc1 (by ladislav on 2005-03-14 23:58:01 GMT from Taiwan)
There is no mention of it on any of the Mandrakesoft's web site and its beta information page hasn't been updated since beta 3. It has been a policy of DistroWatch not to publish release announcement unless the distribution itself published an announcement somewhere on their web site.
22 • Re: About search.php (by Ariszló on 2005-03-15 00:04:08 GMT from Hungary)
Ladislav: Maybe I should limit it to top 25 distributions or something similar, less bandwidth-intensive.
What if you added an option to set the limit as in KDE-Look.org?
23 • RE: Some interesting search results (by ladislav on 2005-03-15 00:06:23 GMT from Taiwan)
Thank you for your bug reports. There was a typo in the database and that's why RUNT didn't show up. I've also fixed the 'status=All' bug.
24 • Re: linuxsoft.cz article (by Ariszló on 2005-03-15 00:11:19 GMT from Hungary)
crawancon: and whats up with auditor linux, never saw it on "new on the waiting list" unless i'm missing something.
It's already in the database:
25 • Search Engine Sort (by John on 2005-03-15 00:25:16 GMT from Australia)
Search Engine should be sorted by ranking - top 25 sounds fine.
I would have expected Vector to be listed as older computers too.
What brand-names chips refer to i586x and i686x architecture?
I assume i386x is Intel 386 and i486x is Intel 486, but what chips are i568x and i686x?
I think this needs to be explained to newbies like me. This explains the need for an overlap between the older computers distribution category and the defining architecture.
I think language should be part of the selection criteria.
The rate of progress is amazing. Well done.
26 • No subject (by Gnobian-Ken00bie on 2005-03-15 01:09:37 GMT from United States)
i586 is Pentium, Pentium MMX, and AMD k5. i686 is Pentium Pro, Pentium II or higher, Celeron, AMD k6, Athlon, Duron, and pretty much anything else more recent built on 32-bit x86 instruction set.
27 • x86 Architectures (by Mark Kowarsky on 2005-03-15 01:13:42 GMT from Australia)
i586 is any pentium one or amd k6/2/3
i686 is any newer processer from pentium pro and up including athlons.
28 • Debian soon to get its act together? (by GP on 2005-03-15 01:16:32 GMT from Canada)
29 • x86 Architectures (by Mark Kowarsky on 2005-03-15 01:18:31 GMT from Australia)
i586 is any pentium one or amd k6/2/3
i686 is any newer processer from pentium pro and up including athlons.
30 • beatcha to it, Mark (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-15 01:20:04 GMT from United States)
...and the k6 series is 686. I checked several sources on the web to be sure I wasn't delusional.
31 • Thanks for the link GP! (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-15 01:26:56 GMT from United States)
Interesting news. I'm not certain this will be enough to speed up the development cycle significantly.
(Does anyone see irony in S/390 being dropped by Debian when it's the one other arch Slack officially supports?)
Personally, I've tended to favor this solution:
32 • RE: beatcha to it (by Mark Kowarsky on 2005-03-15 01:37:30 GMT from Australia)
If the k6 is a 686 why is CHOST="i586-pc-linux-gnu" for it on my gentoo system
33 • I have no idea (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-15 02:01:23 GMT from United States)
... not using Gentoo or your hardware. But AMD's k5 was their own design was 586 while the k6 was based on NexGen's Nx686 processor core after AMD bought them out. That's the REASON for the numbers k5 and k6.
34 • possible recant (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-15 02:13:26 GMT from United States)
I did some more digging and I'm actually finding conflicting information on the k6. hmmm.
35 • k6 686 (by Gnobian Ken00bie on 2005-03-15 02:36:52 GMT from United States)
The k6 was INTENDED to be equivalent to the Pentium II, but isn't precisely equivalent, because of its floating point performance and its use of RISC to translate some instructions. Because of this, there are different recommendations for optimization. Some will advise using 686 optimizations, others 586 or even 386. I imagine that, in line with that, it will be recognized variously.
36 • xen (by butters on 2005-03-15 02:52:04 GMT from United States)
Certainly the most understated development is the inclusion of XEN in the upcoming version of SuSE. XEN consists of a microkernel and a set of patches for various OSS kernels. With XEN, you don't run many virtual OSes inside a host OS, you run them all on the XEN microkernel. The advantage of XEN's approach compared to other virtualization software is near-native performance and complete hardware emulation. The disadvantage is that virtual OS kernels must be especially patched and recompiled to run on XEN, so Windows support is impossible at the moment (a previous port of Windows XP to XEN was killed due to license restrictions). Fortunately, SuSE now does the patching for us, so at least running SuSE on XEN is easy for the mainstream user. For those familiar with patching and configuring kernels, you can run any Linux distribution using 2.4 or 2.6 kernels, and there are experimental ports for NetBSD, FreeBSD, and Plan9.
A Novell version with XEN would be a great way for them to compete with (or even surpass) Sun's N1 Grid Containers, or whatever marketing term they're using this week.
37 • Upcoming Release: "Ark Linux 2005.1" (by Anonymous on 2005-03-15 08:23:42 GMT from Germany)
Also this week the first stable Ark Linux is planned to be released (likely Wednesday).
38 • RE: Koppix 3.8 (by John Coombes on 2005-03-15 09:51:36 GMT from Australia)
ladislav - you wrote about the = key ( i.e SHIFT + 0 )
Many thanks, it saved me heaps of mucking around :-)
Proof of pudding using CD on Laptop right now (c/w knoppix lang=us fb800x600 )
39 • Re: Upcoming Release: "Ark Linux 2005.1" (by leo on 2005-03-15 12:55:30 GMT from United States)
great news, is Ark already in beta stage ?
40 • What's this guys problem? (by Josh on 2005-03-15 15:36:08 GMT from United States)
I came across a web page written by an angry linux user who converted from windows. When I say angry, I mean... well, see for yourself.
41 • RE: What's this guys problem? (by SFN on 2005-03-15 16:19:33 GMT from United States)
Wow. Somebody needs to have his meds ramped down.
42 • Mirrors No Longer Updating (by Brian Grainger on 2005-03-15 18:54:14 GMT from United Kingdom)
It would have been nice if the final (text) message on such mirrors was to tell us where to go find the latest Distrowatch News. I didn't realise I was on a mirror (distrowatch.serve-you.net), but I did realise I was not getting my daily fix!
Fortunately the Knoppix Forum pointed at the news about Knoppix 3.8 on Distrowatch so I have found it again fairly quickly.
Sadly I cannot view the parent site with my very ancient copy of Netscape. It has joined the growing number of sites which cause it to give an Application Error in Windows. (This is a machine at work so it does not run Linux). I have to use IE now and put up with its slowness. I cannot install anything on my work PC so please don't tell me to use Firefox or other more suitable browsers.
43 • highest hits per day (by rob on 2005-03-16 08:15:00 GMT from United States)
whats the highest hits per day a distro has had on Distrowatch?
44 • Re: What's this guys problem? (by Josh) (by John Coombes on 2005-03-16 09:27:30 GMT from Australia)
Well Josh maybe you have no simpathy but this sort of thing is quite common for those coming to grips with GNU/Linux - you have to admit that the "soposed" Linux "community" is not really very co-operative - every Geek Distro producer wants to do it "there own way" and if an end user can not come to grips with using the command line, they are often told "Go back to Windows"
These comment of his I found pertant
The general population has elected not to be able to work on their own cars, radios, TV's, etc. Why should they consider their computer or OS to be any different? The general population does not know, or care of, the internal workings of the PC.
Most of us who have been using a GNU/Linux Distro for a while (myself since 1998 and more than 1 distro) have had no choice but to learn at least the basic's of 'Nix as well as all about the hardware in ones own computers. Personally I have never found this an attractive task, on the other hand I know of many Linux Geeks who find this sort of thing a plesure.
The truth of the matter is that " IF " the Linux community as a whole REALLY wants the use of GNU/Linux Distros to become some thing that the "general population" can use, then it has to become (1) more co-heasive (2) de-geekified (3) practically moron proof EG: made for idiots (4) individual Distros to throw away their indepanance (5) individual programers to adhear to fix ways to write things (6) those that pubilsh things "as a learning experiance" must be stopped - because leaving the bugs for others to fix is un-acceptable to the general population (7) Stop those who can write code for an appliction BUT are not able or not inclined to write the DOC's (8) the list goes on
IMHO - I would suggest that it is never going to happen, do I have to explain why ? - even at the compatitively Mlug LUG (see the hot link above for my name) we encouter the problem of "my distro is better than your distro" that many people still seem to have. AND its not getting better, as more distros get established it seems to get worse.
Sure I think that the Distro I use (most of the time) is the best one, but at least I am aware it is ONLY the best for ME - many other people will say that the Distro thay use is the Best and all others are a load of s**t - nothing you can do or say will ever change this.
So you have to accept that it is NOT really " What's this guys problem? " but it is really " what is the problem with the Linux community not being able to de-geekify things " - if you dismiss this out of hand (like many will) ? then that is where the problem is originating from in the first place :-(
You know I have learnt a lot over the years, and have managed to get things working where many others have not. I do not find it a pleasure ! To me it is rather boaring havine to mess around with code, scripts, and that over rating passtime of compiling is the most boaring thing around TAKE NOTE boaring TO ME
OK folks thats just my 2.5 cents worth - I have simpathy for the non-geeks
45 • Searching by arch (by Leszek on 2005-03-16 12:57:03 GMT from Taiwan)
many thanks for the excellent seaching engine.
One thing: it fails return Debian for sparc64, both little- and big- endian mips and Hitachi SH... Also, AFAIK, NetBSD supports xbox
46 • RE: What's this guys problem? (by SFN on 2005-03-16 15:13:50 GMT from United States)
"So you have to accept that it is NOT really " What's this guys problem? " but it is really " what is the problem with the Linux community not being able to de-geekify things " - if you dismiss this out of hand (like many will) ? then that is where the problem is originating from in the first place :-("
To me, it seems that the problem is not the "general population has elected not to be able to work on their own cars" argument. There is absolutely a lot of validity to that statement.
It's more about statements like:
"M$, as a corporation, is not worried about Linux."
"F*ck you to any distro that was created after the first few(and I mean FEW), because there is not a complete distro out there!"
or my personal favorite
"THE KERNEL IS A MONOLITH, SHOULDN'T THE LINUX COMMUNITY BE ONE TOO??????????????????????"
These are points that all ex-Windows users come to at some point in their conversion. Over time they begin to understand that you can't measure Linux (or any other OS) the same way you measure Windows (or any other OS).
Probably the worst thing about this guy's little story is that he comes off like a cokehead crashing after the money and hookers are gone. Way to make a point.
47 • RE: What's this guys problem? (by Josh on 2005-03-16 17:43:08 GMT from United States)
I know I sounded really insensitive with the way I worded the subject. I found some of his arguments to be valid as well, and I know that a non-geek can easily get lost in "switching" to linux, because I've been there once. I really just wanted to know how distrowatch readers would react; whether they would agree or disagree. He may have a point, but he was throwing alot of unnecessary anger and harsh words towards the linux community simply for being what it is. Linus said himself that he aimed to make the OS market as diversified as the automotive market (by creating linux), and he is likely to succeed IMHO, which is a good thing. Just think if there were only one manufacter of automobiles, with only one model, changing the bodystyle every 3-4 years. Some of you may or may not agree with what I am saying, but in the end SFN is right. You simply can't measure the two OS's the same. I'll quote Zach Slater, author of the linux gaming FAQ: "Okay, so what have you proved, exactly? That windows and linux aren't the same? That's really all you can say, since you really are comparing apples to oranges. The two systems were designed with completely different goals in mind, which just happen to intersect at a lot of points." Anyways, thanks to those who posted with feedback. -Josh
48 • this guy's problem (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-16 18:03:16 GMT from United States)
My favorite was the MS remark. Surely, he's heard of the Halloween documents? Or encountered some of the FUD being spread? Does he think Ballmer (sp? who cares?) just likes picking on pathetic GNU/Linux geek hobbyists.
The truth is that for sysadmins, where GNU/Linux has had a place for some time, there's not that big a problem. Some have said that GNU/Linux isn't ready for the dektop. Well, yes and no. Installing it is still a bit of a challenge for most - but that's mainly because these are people who've never installed Windoze. It just came with their box with all the hardware issues resolved by the OEM. This has more to do with economics than with the Linux community. Even the most automated, prettiest installer can't beat not having to install at all.
De-geekifying GNU/Linux is a mixed bag. On the one hand, there are (despite my reservations about licensing mentioned elsewhere) SUPERB efforts like MEPIS. On the other hand, there's Linspire - the less said, the better.
I think that we must stay true to UNIX roots on issues like... er, root. And users have to adjust. Otherwise, they'll end up feeling cheated on all the promises of the vaunted security of GNU/Linux. Windoze has tried to evade the problem and the result is a mess where everyone runs as administrator and many don't even know what that means. Hats off to Warren for the red screen when root. That and Ubuntu's sudo approach seem to me excellent ways to make certainly that novices become aware of good security practices.
I must say that for some of his criticisms, the best contrast isn't with M$ but with one of the *BSDs. There you do have a coherent development group. And awfully good documentation. GNU/Linux is far more chaotic and that's both its weakness and its strength, but we need to recognize that other approaches can yield good (and comparably Free) results.
More than anything though, he seems frightened by the CHOICE that all that chaos provides.
49 • RSS Feeds (by robT on 2005-03-16 19:35:44 GMT from United States)
The RSS feeds haven't updated wince the 11th.
50 • RE: What's this guys problem? (by warpengi on 2005-03-16 22:36:38 GMT from Canada)
"The general population has elected not to be able to work on their own cars, radios, TV's, etc. Why should they consider their computer or OS to be any different? The general population does not know, or care of, the internal workings of the PC."
The general population is not ready to run their own computer if the tons of spyware and viruses that I need to clean off computers every week is any indication. The same people keep visiting sites that infect them, keep clicking on bad links and opening email attachments over and over. Windows might be simple to use but not simple to use safely. Too bad computers don't travel at high speeds. We might have a little more Darwinian selection going on if they did.
51 • PowerPC without going through apple? (by EEDOK on 2005-03-17 08:00:07 GMT from Canada)
Well here's something to think about, seeing how linus has moved to powerpc development:
1) One day(or maybe right now), will I be able to just buy a PowerPC CPU and compatible motherboard, then throw my existing peripherals into it, and run linux on it?
2) Well the flip side of windowsrefund, OSX refund?
52 • MEPIS annoyances (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-17 20:53:52 GMT from United States)
Normally, I try to keep my boxen completely devoid of non-free software, but given recent debates about MEPIS and my own recent praise of it, I decided to give it another try. I must say it is a faster and simpler install, but I also remembered a few things that annoyed me.
MEPIS is great if it's a first system and apparently if you're also using Winblows, but the clock thing still ticks me off. My Debian, Ubuntu, and Kanotix installs all respect that my BIOS is using UTC, but I have no idea WHAT MEPIS is doing! I get the clock set up but the moment I reboot from using another distro, MEPIS has my clock set all wrong.
Also MEPIS doesn't detect my other distros when it installs GRUB. Debian does. Ubuntu does. What's the deal?
Apocryphal tales of Ubuntu "trashing" hard drives aside, I've found installing Ubuntu to be much more flexible in installation. No, not pretty and not fast and not simple, but flexible. I guess I've progressed enough in my n00b experience that I appreciate that more.
53 • Search Engine: KDE 3.4 for Conectiva (by Ariszló on 2005-03-19 17:31:12 GMT from Hungary)
Searching for distros with kdebase-3.4.0 does not find Conectiva, which does provide KDE 3.4:
54 • Thanks, Ladislav (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-20 05:21:08 GMT from United States)
For featuring that atrocious - and one may suspect Redmond-funded - review of Xandros - so that more informed GNU/Linux users can set the author and those he may misinform straight. You've done the F/OSS world another service by facilitating advocacy.
Now, you know what to do, folks: get the truth out.
55 • techtree xandros reviewer is an assbag (by brocc on 2005-03-20 05:32:22 GMT from United States)
I cannot believe this guy is tying to be a serious reviewer.
first he purports to review xandros. then he is too cheap to buy
or mooch a copy of the full version of it and makes his report
based on the ocd version (by the way well worth the cost).
the full version of xandros is a fine example to all of how a newbie
distro should be. e.g. it has intregated conversion of cd music
(you guys might remember, the little shiny disk that one used to purchase) to wav, ogg, and with very little effort mp3.
also seeing as though he "reviewed" xandros 3, he must not have
read (i might be misstaken... he might not understand english, spanish, portugese, russian, chinese, japanese, etc) that the open circulation edition DOES NOT CONTAIN THE FULL CONTENTS OF THE DISTRO!. meaning, no you can't burn your cds at full speed (without k3b). no, you dont have crossover office built in (very handy). no you dont have any support (unless your lazy and dont go to their forum).
this guy needs to re-evaluate himself, and moreover his "reviews"
and for shame to distrowatch, to let this assbag actually take up
precious space on your server.
sorry this just pissed me off.
56 • Xandros review, to brocc (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-20 05:57:27 GMT from United States)
I'm sure Ladislav featured it precisely so that we would be outraged and would do something. No shame in that. We need to challenge FUD wherever it rears its ugly head and Ladislav has helped us by alerting us to it. I posted some comments to that site and I hope that you will as well. Not being a Xandros user, the comments I can make are less specific than those you might be able to offer. Now, get over there!
57 • LINUX Without The Hype (by Ed Jason on 2005-03-20 07:07:38 GMT from United Kingdom)
I enjoy (really enjoy) your site and visit every day. The Live CD Gnome 2.10 was excellent.
The above URL is our report in wiki format concerning Linux
I hope it is of some interest to distrowatch readers - if not it might interest them to chnage it
58 • Ed's site (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-20 07:14:53 GMT from United States)
A promising site. Good work! You, I, or someone else might want to put in something explaining the gratis/libre or free as in beer/free as in speech distinction. It's an important one. And the mention of freeware may serve to confuse the issues. You may even want to put in links to some of the essays on http://www.fsf.org/ to clarify matters.
59 • thanks Gnobian_Ken00bie (by broc on 2005-03-20 13:50:45 GMT from United States)
You know, your'e completely right.
But that still doesn't change my opinion of that reviewer (?).
I've downloaded several different distros over dialup (yup I'm patient). I've also purchased at least 5 boxed distros. Now that I have broadband, I'm a distro download junkie. My father laughs at my now impressive collection and he was the one who got me hooked. I really don't have a "favorite" among the bunch. Some of them suit my purposes better than others, some are more polished than others, but none in my opinion are junk not worth at least playing with.
A lot of my friends are getting frustrated with windows but don't know what to do about it. Since the live-cds came out I've been helping to, as one of my ms loving buddies calls it, penguisizing them. My large collection makes it easier to find a distro that suits their needs. On all of the installs I've done for others, the first thing I do is bookmark distrowatch and their respective distro forum.
I'm pretty sure that assbag reviewer just didn't do his job of researching his project. Gnobian_Ken00bie, thanks for the idea of going to their site and spreading the truth. I'm on my way buddy.
60 • thank you, broc (by Gnobian_Ken00bie on 2005-03-20 17:01:22 GMT from United States)
Wow, ISOs over a dialup! You ARE patient. I hope not too many had to be started over because an md5sum didn't match.
I completely agree that different distros suit didn't needs - and philosophies, I would add. There are some distros that are wonderfully done and deserve tremendous praise for their technical merit, but perhaps the license is problematic for some people. But choice is wonderful.
Helping friends by having a wide selection of distros on hand is great!
I've usually offerred two that I believed would meet their needs starting out - although, if they were, e.g. particularly into doing multimedia work or if they had an old machine, I'd also suggest others. I'd even point out the advantages of certain distros whose licenses I don't personally care for and explain those advantages and disadvantages. Sometimes they'd care, sometimes not, but invariably, they'd discover for their first lesson in GNU/Linux: you have a lot more choices.
61 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2005-03-20 17:02:09 GMT from United States)
that should read "different distros suit different needs"
62 • Xandros (by T.Djokic on 2005-03-20 23:29:01 GMT from Yugoslavia)
http://distrowatch.com/02478: "Xandros is good, but it's not ready. But that's not Xandros' fault. Linux is not ready." This is not true. Everything has rules, so do different distributions. You respect the rules - Linux works OK, you don't respect the rules - your fault! Xandros is not a distribution for experiments...
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