| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 77, 29 November 2004
Welcome to this year's 47th edition of DistroWatch Weekly. This week we have a brief report on the next release of Gentoo Linux and we also introduce UHU-Linux, a Hungarian project and a major driving force behind Linux adoption in Hungary. Enjoy!
Gentoo looking ahead to 2005, multiple distributions on one CD
The latest issue of Gentoo Weekly Newsletter, as well as this earlier story on ZDNet provide some interesting information about the upcoming release of Gentoo Linux, scheduled for the first quarter of 2005. Among them, the users (and potential users) of the most popular source-based distribution will be pleased to learn that Gentoo will finally default to kernel 2.6 on all architectures, the Gentoo live CD will serve as a full desktop operating system (not just an installation CD), and it will, for the first time, include an automated graphical installer. These are highly radical changes that will take some effort to implement, but it is nice to see that the developers are listening to their users and are going ahead with providing some of the most often requested features.
The move to kernel 2.6 is hardly a surprise. Gentoo has included this kernel since it was released in late 2003, but due to hardware compatibility issues the developers have refrained from recommending it for general use. The situation has much improved now that the new kernel version has seen nine updates and it has already become the default kernel on several architectures, including PPC and all 64-bit platforms. The release of Gentoo Linux 2005 will mean that the 2.4 kernel will enter a "maintenance mode" and all users will be encouraged to upgrade to 2.6
The full Gentoo live CD is a more interesting new feature, especially because there will be two variants - x86 and AMD64 editions. This would make Gentoo the first full live CD for the AMD64 platform. Besides, it is always a pleasure to be able to test drive a distribution and ensure that there are no compatibility issues before committing to a hard disk install; this is even more true in the case of a source-based distribution where installing a complete workstation might take several days. As for the graphical Gentoo installer, details are still sketchy and it is not clear whether the planned installer will make the system installation less tedious than the present step-by-step process. What it will make easier, however, is the deployment of Gentoo on several machines - through a set of scripts, much like Red Hat/Fedora's kickstart.
Of course, these are still early days, but if all of the above-mentioned features are implemented as planned, they would make Gentoo Linux more acceptable to a much wider audience than the current highly technical nature of the distribution. We have already seen some interesting innovations coming from Gentoo (e.g. the PPC64 port) in recent months and it looks like the developers have more ambitious tricks up their sleeves. If they continue this way, Gentoo Linux might just turn out to be the most exciting project of 2005!
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If you are a fan of mini Linux live CDs, you might be interested in "Multi Distro", a compilation of several bootable mini live CDs on one disk. The latest version includes no fewer than seven distributions; these are SLAX 4.2.0, BeatrIX November 04, Damn Small Linux 0.8.4, INSERT 1.2.16, SAM 1.1, GeeXboX 0.99, and Recovery Is Possible. The CD also comes with Memtest86, a memory diagnostic program. All these options are neatly arranged in the initial GRUB menu - just take your pick and boot whichever distribution you fancy trying out today. The project doesn't seem to have an official web site, but the latest ISO image, version 2.0, is available for free download from here: mdv20.iso (699MB).
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Slackware's current changelog has been updated with information about Slackware maintainer Patrick Volkerding's state of health.As many of you know, he has been suffering from a mysterious disease that made him seek medical treatment and put the development of Slackware Linux on hold. While Patrick's health has not improved much, users of the distribution can now at least get security updates for recent Slackware releases: "Bruno H Collovini and Piter Punk in Brazil have been helping to build security updates for Slackware while I'm (mostly) out of commission. They've helped with Slackware for many years and I trust and authorize their patches. These can be found here. Thanks to everyone who has offered to help, and sent get well soon and other kind emails." The only other entry in the changelog is a newly built KOffice package, version 1.3.5. See the full changelog for further information.
|Featured distribution of the week: UHU-Linux
From a group of Linux enthusiasts to one of the most successful Linux projects anywhere in the world - that's the story of UHU-Linux. Formed in April 2002 in Budapest, Hungary, it took the developers almost one year before presenting their fellow countrymen with UHU-Linux 1.0. The distribution was an instant hit. Loosely modelled on Debian and its much praised package management with apt (although UHU-Linux has its own package format called "uhu"), the distribution comprised of highly cutting-edge packages and extensive translation effort of all major applications into Hungarian. The latter was probably the main reason why UHU-Linux was so well-received by users throughout their country.
As the developers gained more experience, new releases, including live CD editions, continued at regular intervals. The project has been largely financed by income from sales of the "Office Edition" (which has a more restrictive license and is intended for use by companies), as well as sale of T-shirts and other merchandise. The project is currently undergoing a beta testing period of its next release - version 1.2, which will include kernel 2.6, X.Org 6.8.1, GNOME 2.8, KDE 3.3 and the usual range of desktop and server applications.
Although UHU-Linux is unlikely to be of interest to those who don't understand Hungarian, there is little doubt that this project has become the major driving force behind Linux adoption in Hungary. As such, it deserves a huge pat on the back, especially for the selfless translation effort of open source applications into Hungarian.
UHU-Linux Live 2.2 - an instant workstation for Hungarian speakers
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|Released Last Week
ROCK Linux 2.0.3
The source-based ROCK Linux project has released an update of their stable 2.0 branch. From the announcement: "This is the official announcement of the release and availability of ROCK Linux - v2.0.3. This version has been tagged from 2.0-stable branch at revision 4795 on November 14th 2004. Most important changes: all build errors have been fixed at least for the x86 architecture; Tons of updates got merged from trunk; the new 'build-bootstrap' package selection provides a small set of packages necessary to build everything else. This package selection is used for the 'reference build system' to provide cache-files and binary releases."
BeatrIX Linux November 04
BeatrIX Linux is a compact (less than 200MB) live CD based on Ubuntu Linux. A new version, called "November 04" was released yesterday: "BeatrIX November 04 contains the latest Linux stable kernel (operating system) a Windows-like desktop (GNOME), web browser (Firefox), e-mail program (Evolution),word processor (OpenOffice.org), instant chat program (GAIM) and everything else necessary to get things done with no problems. Its operating system is dramatically more stable than Windows, much less prone to crashing and will automatically update itself when necessary. In addition, because of the way Linux is constructed, it does not have the majority of security problems that Windows has." Here is the full release announcement.
Buffalo Linux 1.5.1
Buffalo Linux has been updated to version 1.5.1:"Buffalo Linux 1.5.1 is a bug fix and update release to version 1.5.0. Included are 23 base package updates and 31 extra package updates. Major package updates include: IceWM 1.2.17, Samba 3.0.8, ALSA 1.0.7 ... The full 1.5.1 version is available for download as two CDs. The base upgrade is separately available as a Buffalo bundle package: upgrade-1.5.1-buff-1.bz2; also available as a patch and through AutoUpdate." Visit the distribution's home page to read the release announcement.
This is a new release of AUSTRUMI, a business card-size live CD based on Slackware Linux, with the fvwm95 window manager. From the changelog: "Added network tools - ettercap, gspoof, xwhois and xhydra; added frontend monitor setup; added Xonix; removed xweb; added Apache; updated Ugunsvarti, X.Org and somelibraries; added new AUSTRUMI theme; fixed some bugs." More details are available on the project's home page.
Puppy Linux 0.9.7
Puppy Linux 0.9.7 is out: "Puppy version 0.9.7 released. Release notes: Puppy now has the Gaim instant messenger client, version 1.0.2, with support for IRC, ICQ, Yahoo, MSN and Jabber. There is a new paint program called mtPaint. Puppy has a new internal HTML file viewer, called phv. This is a Tcl/Tk application that uses the tkhtml widget. Puppy now has limited write support for NTFS partitions. Screen snapshots can now be taken by a menu selection in the 'Graphics processors' sub-menu. There is a new game, called tkmines, a minesweeper game. There is now a dockapp manager, anda selection of dockapps." Read the rest of the release notes on the distribution's news page.
ParallelKnoppix 2004-11-25 and 2004-11-26
ParallelKnoppix is a new distribution in our database; it is a remastered variant of the Knoppix live CD that allows setting up a cluster of machines for parallel processing using the LAM-MPI and/or MPICH implementations of MPI. A new version was released yesterday: "A major overhaul: a more careful package elimination to decrease image size; GUI configuration - open a terminal in Desktop, ParallelKnoppix, Setup, and type ./SetupParallelKnoppix, the rest is clicking through, usually following defaults. Note: the tutorial needs to be updated. Contains MPITB for GNU Octave, with a working example." The project's home page provides further information and links to documentation and downloads.
Vine Linux 3.1
Vine Linux 3.1 has been released. This is essentially a bugfix and security update for the earlier version 3.0, with no new features. The release incorporates all erratas up to the beginning of November and fixes several reported bugs in the system installer. The kernel has been upgraded to version 2.4.27 and some Japanese TrueType fonts have been replaced with alternatives. Several new packages have been included. Find more detailed information on the distribution's home page (in Japanese). Bootable ISO images are available for download for both i386 and PPC architectures.
Kalango Linux 3.0
After six months of beta testing, a new version of the Kurumin-based Kalango Linux is out. Version 3.0 has seen many organisational changes, package upgrades, and new features. Among them,a new hard disk installer and the inclusion of IceWM and Fluxbox (alongside KDE, GNOME and WindowMaker) are the most interesting changes.The kernel has been upgraded to 2.6.7, KDE to 3.3.1, GNOME to 2.8.1, Firefox to 1.0, Samba to 3.0.7.... The entire visual appearance of the the distribution has also undergone a comprehensive change. Together with the launch of Kalango 3.0, the distribution's web site has also been updated and its user forums migrated to PhpBB. You can find the full announcement on Kalango's home page (in Portuguese).
Kalango Linux 3.0 - one of the many great live CD projects developed in Brazil
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Feather Linux 0.6.2
A new version of the Feather Linux mini live CD has been released. From the changelog: "Changes from 0.6.1 to 0.6.2: added 'wakeonlan', a tool to send Wake-on-LAN packets; included a custom resolution option in the X setup script; made some small MPlayer changes; updated aMSN script to 0.94; lowered memory usage slightly by a few changes; cleaned up /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig; made it possible to add users while running from CD or USB stick; made hard disk boot faster; updated Arno's firewall script to version 1.8.3-BE."
Linux Netwosix 1.2
This is a new release of Linux Netwosix, a Linux distribution for servers and network security jobs: "The Netwosix Linux distribution (v. 1.2) is now available. The system has been completely rebuilt, now assures a high security for your network. Linux Netwosix 1.2 resolves all the critical problems discovered in releases 1.0 and 1.1 and now could be considered as one of the most important distribution in this field thanks to its light-weight and clear structure. Features: new setup method; new HOWTO; all packages upgraded to latest versions; very light ISO image, fast to download and install; it runs Linux kernel 2.6.9; system binaries linked with the GNU C Library, version 2.3.3; GCC 3.3.3 as the default Ccompiler; It runs 'nepote' as default porting tool (updated with the new packages); Perl 5.8.4." Read the full release announcement for further details.
UHU-Linux Live 2.2
A new version of UHU-Linux Live has been released. Version 2.2 and code name "Eszter", this live CD is a bug-fix release of an earlier version, incorporating many user suggestions. Among the mostimportant changes are application updates to their latest stable versions, inclusion of the WindowMaker window manager, new theme, fonts and colours, and several newly added boot parameters. For further details and download locations please refer to the release announcement (in Hungarian).
The Devil-Linux live firewall has been updated to version 1.2.1: "I'm proud to announce v1.2.1 of Devil-Linux. The changes include Kernel 2.4.28, enabled sasl+ldap+mysql for postfix, dramatically reduced size of etc.tar.bz2, many program updates, and many other changes. See changelog for details." Hereare the links to the release announcement and changelog.
Development and unannounced releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Knoppix Games Edition (public release)
The recently released specialist (non-public) edition of the Knoppix live CD Games Edition has attracted so much interest that the developers are now planning a public release early next month: "After receiving a lot of positive feedback concerning the Knoppix PCGH-Edition we decided to build a public games version. This version is a true Knoppix and I'll try to sync the releases with Klaus Knopper in a way that the base of the Games Knoppix is the most current public Knoppix. The date of our first release will be Monday, the 6.12.2004 (St. Nicholas Day ;)." Read the full announcement for further details.
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Summary of expected upcoming releases
|Web Site News
New distribution addition
- BeatrIX Linux. BeatrIX Linux is a compact (less than 200MB) operating system aimed at both office and home users who want something simpler, safer and superior to Microsoft Windows, and that will run on just about any IBM-compatible PC made in the past 10 years. It runs as a live CD or it can be installed to hard drive.
- ParallelKnoppix. ParallelKnoppix is a remastered edition of Knoppix that allows setting up a cluster of machines for parallel processing using the LAM-MPI and/or MPICH implementations of MPI. Getting the cluster up and running takes less than 15 minutes, if the machines have PXE network cards.
- X/OS Linux. X/OS Linux is a GNU/Linux distribution, based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux, for business and enterprise users. It features a rock-solid enterprise-grade operating system for reliable, high-performance computing; enterprise compatibility for easy migration of third-party applications; long-term availability of security updates and software enhancements.
New on the waiting list
- GoBSD. GoBSD.com is a community network dedicated to DragonFlyBSD. The community growing around GoBSD will create a free distribution of DragonFly, advocate the use of DragonFly in personal and professional tasks, and work to ensure the stability and security of the DragonFly system.
- Jintoo. Jintoo is Linux live CD based on Gentoo, linux-live scripts, and Ultimate Boot CD. It integrates all benefits to one CD: Gentoo Linux with portage, up-to-date software and fast optimisations; read/write system from "linux-live" scripts, changes are stored in RAM, you can modify every file on live CD; integration of the Ultimate Boot CD, with many utilities for hardware testing and hard disk partitioning.
- MoLinux. MoLinux is a Debian-based live CD developed by the government of Castilla La Mancha, Spain.
- MyGeOs is a new source-based distribution, based on Linux From Scratch, developed by the creators of the now defunct LRs Linux project.
- Paipix Linux. PaiPix Linux is a compilation of Free Software, based in the Knoppix live CD, meant to be used in any environment, but with special vocation for the education of the Information and Instrumentation technologies. This is the first initiative at the Post-Graduate Course of Applied Programming and Instrumentation of the College of Sciences of the University of Lisbon. The PaiPix Linux also supports clusters of distributed computing (using paipix-terminalsever) for data servers, farm simulation, farms, and user laboratories.
- Recovery Is Possible. Recovery Is Possible (RIP) is a CD or floppy boot/rescue/backup/maintenance system. It has support for a lot of filesystem types (Reiserfs, Reiser4, ext2/3, iso9660, UDF, XFS, JFS, UFS, HPFS, HFS, MINIX, MS DOS, NTFS, and VFAT) and contains a bunch of utilities for system recovery. It also has IDE/SCSI/SATA, PCMCIA, RAID, LVM2, and Ethernet/DSL/cable/PPP/PPPOE network support.
- T2. T2 is a flexible open source system development environment or distribution build kit, if your are more familiar with that term. T2 allows the creation of custom distributions with bleeding edge technology. Currently the Linux kernel is normally used - but we are expanding to Hurd, OpenDarwin and OpenBSD - more to come. T2 started as a community driven fork from the ROCK Linux Project with the aim to create a decentralised development and a clean framework for spin-off projects and customised distributions.
- Ultimate Boot CD. Ultimate Boot CD is a bootable live CD which consolidates many system repair tools and diagnostic utilities into one CD.
DistroWatch database summary
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 360
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 9
- Number of discontinued distributions: 43
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 80
That's all for today; see you again next Monday!
1 • UHU-Linux (by Alan Moser at 2004-11-29 14:01:19 GMT) |
I have heard about UHU-Linux before, I wanted to try it, but does anyone know if they make an English version, I can't read their website.
2 • Multi CDs (by martx on 2004-11-29 14:02:23 GMT)
3 • WHY??! (by maceto on 2004-11-29 14:14:32 GMT)
Why is it that a distro like Kalango Linux 3.0 looks better that e.g Mandrake and has a better control panel than e.g Redhat and many many others??
Take debian they are at least working on yast, but I would not be supprised if it will be lost and not finished, why is this?
It seems to me that these "one man" distros there are at lest one person saying I want this and I want it like this! Just think were linux could be with e.g redhat dropping yum and go for apt with yast, just an example.
Is it just me that think this or what?
4 • Linux Distris and Gentoo (by Vic on 2004-11-29 14:31:58 GMT)
There are so many Linux distros and it's quite difficult to find the right one. Every Distro has its own advantages and disadvantages. I have been using Linux since 1998, and the diversity has enormly increased since then.
For now, I'm gonna try out the new Kanotix, but I think of switching to Gentoo, or at least Vidalinux, and maybe MEPIS. I have some problems with Ubuntu and Fedora, but they seem to be good too....Oh hell...
And great to hear that Gentoo is going to be developed in a way that will probably fit more people's needs!
5 • Gentoo Linux (by Mat at 2004-11-29 14:44:41 GMT)
I would love to try Gentoo but there are a lot of install steps. It's too bad they can't make it quicker/easier to install with menus. There could also be an option to install it as it is installed now, for people who like to do it that way. Hopefully someday......
6 • My perfect distro ... (by Marc on 2004-11-29 15:53:18 GMT)
Would be :
- Easy to install like Mandrake
- Easy to configure like Mepis
- Fast like Arch
- Simple menu like Ubuntu
- Look sharp like Fedora
And what else add it on ....
7 • Gentoo - making the right step (by Metro on 2004-11-29 15:59:25 GMT)
I hope Gentoo can have a installer finally.
Right now I have installed VidaLinux and I was amazed by is simplicity of instalation.
I probably will make some errors that I will not recover the distro but I'm learning and I will not give up:)
Gentoo please give us a easier install and the number of users will be bigger.
I thing 2005 will be a wonderful year to Linux if debian an gentoo can be more easy to install. The best example I now is Mepis. Gentoo and Debian should learn from them.
With the right steps Linux will be much more user friendly and will enlarge is share of users. For that it must be for noobs, must be easy to understand. I thing taht this is the bigest problem. The hardcore developers now so mutch that dont can see that there are people that need very simple thinks.
I now. I'm a newbie:)
Sorry for my bad english:(
8 • Re: My perfect distro ... (by Mat on 2004-11-29 16:12:14 GMT)
In reply to Marc's list.
Would it also be existing?
9 • No subject (by Andrea on 2004-11-29 16:13:54 GMT)
i am using gentoo right now and i think that it does not need an installer:
it is adressed to experienced linux user only and it is based on fredom of choice and customization of any step...
so it has to be just you and the machine... In fact each user has his own method of installing gentoo.
Anyway some things can be made easier with an installer-configuration tool, so for me the installer is welcome but it is not the kind of thing i am expecting from this poweful distro.
10 • Is there a distro out there with... (by brodders on 2004-11-29 16:53:30 GMT)
a practical set of vinyl LP recording tools, suitable for an old PC?
* lightweight wm e.g. IceWm to keep cpu load down. KDE is out.
* simple & useful recording tool with VU metering e.g. Krecord
* edit suite e.g. Audacity
* de-scratch / pop / click tool - by far best right now is gwc
Using Buffalo and making some progress but still without a good descratch tool. Yes, there are dedicated multimedia and audio CD's (DeMuDi) - but what I've seen is way overkill - so complex that I can't use them alas. I want to get a job done, not to experience an exploration of audio OS layers, widget sets, build conflicts, struggling to configure it to -at least- show a sign of life.
I can find distro's with each component individually - but so far not everything. The big gotcha seems to be that most tools are wedded to different library's - *nix's own dll hell.
I just want to record my LP collection onto an old PC, do a bit of editing and de-scratch the sound. Not build a new distro.
Anyone know of a distro with all of these??
11 • next donation (by foo on 2004-11-29 16:58:52 GMT)
maybe the next distrowatch donation should go to slackware... it'd be great gesture, methinks.
12 • NetBSD 2.0 soon available (by A happy NetBSD user on 2004-11-29 17:07:50 GMT)
The final release of NetBSD 2.0 should also be added to the waiting list. The 2.0 release has already been tagged in CVS and the official announcement plus downloadable ISOs should be available within a couple of days.
13 • next donation (by Tux5 at 2004-11-29 17:27:30 GMT)
I agree, it would be a nice gesture for the next donation to go to Slackware.
14 • correction (by A happy NetBSD user on 2004-11-29 17:38:41 GMT)
Sorry, I meant to link to this message:
The log message says: "Welcome to the 2.0 release (finally)" :-)
15 • Multi Distro (by Dimitri at 2004-11-29 18:06:02 GMT)
What a great idea!
16 • next donation (by dthacker at 2004-11-29 18:53:21 GMT)
I agree, the next donation should go to slackware.
17 • gentoo rocks (by dave on 2004-11-29 18:59:04 GMT)
I think I have to personally thank gentoo for being a bit harder to install than some of the rest. It forced me to learn a little more about how things were done and now it's an almost trivial task to install gentoo from knoppix or any other running distro. Yeah yeah, a graphical intaller would be nice, but you would depriving yourself of a good education and the graphical installer will never give you as much flexibility.
18 • Update on Suse 9.2 ftp edition (by jimk on 2004-11-29 18:59:53 GMT)
The following lines were added to the readme.txt in the 9.2 directory on suse's ftp server:
"PS.: The SUSE Linux 9.2 ftp version is being worked on and will be made available in this directory in mid of January 2005."
19 • RE: Is there a distro out there with... (by SFN on 2004-11-29 19:37:40 GMT)
"Yes, there are dedicated multimedia and audio CD's (DeMuDi) - but what I've seen is way overkill - so complex that I can't use them alas."
Have you looked at dyne:bolic? It's still overkill in the sense that it's more than you need but it's not complex at all.
For your requirements:
* lightweight wm e.g. IceWm to keep cpu load down. KDE is out.
Comes with both WindowMaker and Fluxbox installed. You can toggle between the two.
* simple & useful recording tool with VU metering e.g. Krecord
You can record with Audacity
* edit suite e.g. Audacity
Speaking of which, it comes with Audacity
* de-scratch / pop / click tool - by far best right now is gwc
No dice there but you can de-noise using the plugins that come with Audacity.
It's not exactly what you're looking for but it will get you what you want, plus more if you feel like playing with its other features.
20 • Knoppix Games Edition (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-11-29 19:42:09 GMT)
I hope it comes with Nvidia and ATI drivers, otherwise it won't make much sense, at least until you install it to HD and install the drivers yourself.
21 • UHU and Kurumin (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-11-29 19:55:55 GMT)
Such stunning beautiful distributions...But then if you don't understand Ungarian or Portuguese they are no use to you.
While the effort by the developers (providing linux distros mostly in the local language) is highly praiseworthy, it is truly a pity that there are no English versions.
And BTW, does anybody know if "dpkg-reconfigure locales" would work with UHU linux?
22 • Cosmetic is important bu it comes comes after functionality. (by AFC3 on 2004-11-29 20:02:59 GMT)
I do not deny that there is a value in the cosmtic side of Linux.
For me the most sober, the best, a matter of taste.
But the stability, the functionality of the plaftform is for me of the utmost importnace, and next is ease of intall/upgrade.
As good as they are, there is still a lot of progess to make in this area.
Kontrol Center, is a great begining, a good base for more of the same.
Languages: I would sy do not worry, if a distro proves very good, translating is like cosmetics: not that difficult to do!
23 • Next donation (by Jose Marcio at 2004-11-29 20:35:03 GMT)
I think Slackware is a good choice. They are (or he is) showing what is the meaning of the Open Source world.
24 • Re: My perfect distro (by Ariszló at 2004-11-29 20:46:08 GMT)
Sounds like a mixture of SuSE (aka. Novell Linux Desktop) and Yoper.
"- Easy to install like Mandrake:" Both SuSE & Yoper (but SuSE is easier than Yoper)
"- Easy to configure like Mepis:" Both SuSE & Yoper (but SuSE is easier than Yoper)
"- Fast like Arch:" Yoper, definitely.
"- Simple menu like Ubuntu:" What makes a menu simple?
"- Look sharp like Fedora:" If you mean shining colors then both SuSE & Yoper. If you mean a nice wallpaper then it's up to you to decorate your desktop.
25 • Re:Cosmetic is important bu it comes comes after functionality. (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-11-29 20:56:52 GMT)
"Languages: I would sy do not worry, if a distro proves very good, translating is like cosmetics: not that difficult to do!"
Not difficult, but an awful lot of work that nobody wants to do :-)
26 • easy, powerful linux (by Carl Stephenson at 2004-11-29 20:59:08 GMT)
Try the debian sarge net install. Seriously, it's easy and then you're ready for apt-get (try Synaptic). There's also a program called gramofile for linux, which you can install using synaptic. I've used it with great results.
27 • RE: UHU and Kurumin (by Michael Salivar at 2004-11-29 21:18:39 GMT)
And how many great distros are there that non-English speakers can't use without modification, because they're English only? Please, try to look at it from the perspective of others, and realize that the developers don't owe you anything, it's their project.
Besides, if you want an English translation, why not offer to help with it?
28 • RE: UHU and Kurumin (by Michael Salivar) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-11-29 21:32:54 GMT)
Please read my post again and you will noticed that what you are saying is already implied in what I wrote.
Of course the developers don't owe me anything. That is true for almost any linux distro and any single FLOSS app.
As to translating myself neither Hungarian nor Portuguese nor English are my mother tongue. Can you imagine what a mess?
29 • English UHU (by Ariszló at 2004-11-29 21:42:55 GMT)
Once you have installed UHU, you can switch it to English but the installer is only available in Hungarian.
Here's a screenshot of UHU 1.1 in English (among other distros):
30 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-11-29 21:58:28 GMT)
"'- Simple menu like Ubuntu:' What makes a menu simple?"
I know what he means. I've played with Ubuntu a bit and the menu is strangely simple. Even though the various items are not in the same place as most distros, you seem to instinctively know where they are. I can't explain why.
31 • Re:English UHU (by Ariszlo') (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-11-29 22:09:08 GMT)
Thanks, that is exactly what I wanted to know.
The installer shouldn't be much of a problem: I tried one of their first versions and I can remember it was vey intuitive.
32 • Slackware Security Updates (by RM on 2004-11-29 22:40:44 GMT)
Just a warning, there is an unofficial group trying to pass themselves off as being chosen by Mr. Volkerding to supply security updates.
33 • The perfect distribution (by Steffen at 2004-11-29 23:20:23 GMT)
- Ubuntu with Anaconda and Yast
+ Maybe an upgrade of Gnome Nautilus that would make it approx. Xandros FileManager quality --> it's getting there though...
Yep, that's it. Ubuntu is pretty good as it is, if you ask me.
34 • gentoo installer (by Mark at 2004-11-29 23:39:01 GMT)
Although I am not against an installer as it is not about choice installing gentoo is more about having the time to set aside. Just read over the installation handbook a couple of times, print it out and boot the livecd. Most of it is just copying commands and pressing enter. During it you learn a lot more than any graphical installer could teach you. Also getting a full system with xorg kde and openoffice takes no time if you use the package-cds. Kudos to the gentoo developers
35 • Keep the stages! (by Reuben at 2004-11-30 01:37:39 GMT)
I like the current gentoo stages where you install it from a chrooted envirment. It's hard, but no other distro that I've seen alows me to setup Linux the way I want it.
36 • vinyl LP distro (by PastorEd on 2004-11-30 03:16:26 GMT)
Is there a distro out there with a practical set of vinyl LP recording tools, suitable for an old PC?That, of course, would be Debian.
* lightweight wm e.g. IceWm to keep cpu load down. KDE is out.
* simple & useful recording tool with VU metering e.g. Krecord
* edit suite e.g. Audacity
* de-scratch / pop / click tool - by far best right now is gwc
Anyone know of a distro with all of these??
If you have broadband internet, you *really* owe it to yourself to try the netinstall Sarge - with the new installer, you can easily have a Debian system up and running in a very short order. Then, once you've got your core system installed, do this:
apt-get install gwc audacity icewm-gnome krecord
That will install the minimum necessary libraries AUTOMATICALLY FOR YOU so you don't have to fuss with them. You'll be able to boot into IceWM; it will have Gnome support, so your "gwc" program will work okay; it will have installed the kdebase needed so krecord works for you...
In Debian, no one can hear you scream... because you won't be screaming. Apt-get is your friend.
37 • Gentoo changes a step in the right direction (by gnobuddy at 2004-11-30 05:12:42 GMT)
I use Gentoo on my home Linux box. The pain of the tedious, several day long installation and configuration process is countered by the incredible ease of adding new software. Gentoo is the *only* Linux on which I have been able to compile Qcad, for instance, and with a simple "emerge -v qcad".
For myself, I find the flexible "optimisations" mostly to be a royal pain in the rear, for instance when I emerge Gimp and go through a few hours of compilation, only to find that I forgot to add "gimp-print" to the USE variable, and consequently cannot print from the Gimp. Okay, grin and bear it, I add gimp-print to the USE variable, and re emerge the Gimp; a few more hours later, I find I forgot to add "gif" to the USE variable, so I cannot open any GIF files. Arrrgh!
It's the same story elsewhere, for instance I compiled KDE (took some 24 hours!) only to find I had forgotten to add "cups" to the USE variable.
Good grief, does anyone really *want* to be unable to print from within the Gimp?? or KDE?? Why provide "optimisations" that no one in their right minds would want?
So I for one am very glad to hear that the Gentoo developers plan to make a more complete Live CD, and a less tedious installer. I use Gentoo for Portage/emerge, not for the tweakability so beloved by some of the Gentoo cognosenti.
38 • No subject (by mcg on 2004-11-30 05:28:10 GMT)
good news about Gentoo GNU/Linux that new version soon will arrive and kernel .2.6 is default whats more it is useable as live cd and as well installation cd :)but why graphic installation?this is Linux based on Unix,this is not a piece of shit windoze.the installation is now perfect.if someone wants to use or try,let them use Vida Linux OS instead it for noobs but please dont touch the installation of Gentoo
39 • Gentoo Installer (by Allan Cairns at 2004-11-30 06:01:55 GMT)
Why do Gentoo fanatics get all prissy when someone mentions a GUI installer?
For the record I have installed Gentoo half a dozen times over the last 18 months. Having to re-read the handbook every time is a pain and most of the machines I play with are old and take ages to install from source.
A true live cd that allows you to install in a terminal window would be a huge step forward as you could do other things and use cut-and-paste to eliminate typing mistakes. I also like the idea of the kickstart scripting.
That said, I would still like to see a full-on GUI install similar to Anaconda that takes you right through to working GUI of your choice using binary packages. You could then leave the thing running an emerge update in the background to recompile everything for your architecture while working with a fully functional desktop. It might take a few days but at least you're running in the meantime.
Gentoo is about choice. GUI automated install v text manual install is a choice. Enough Said.
40 • Contribution (by Stevevn Watsky at 2004-11-30 06:41:44 GMT)
Having read of Patrick's problems and having gone through a similarly frustrating experience with the medical community -- in my case Type I diabetes, undiagnosed for a year -- I agree with everyone.
Thanks and cheers,
41 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-11-30 06:42:53 GMT)
"Why do Gentoo fanatics get all prissy when someone mentions a GUI installer?"
Because my favorite part of Gentoo is the choice the installer gives me. I set up /etc/fstab the way I like it, not how some programers at mandrakesoft or red hat think the mount points and options should be.
If you need a GUI installer look at other Linux distrobutions.
42 • I think it should go to KIle (by Alex on 2004-11-30 07:13:22 GMT)
This is a great and very useful project for me and many others.
43 • Gentoo Installer (by Allan Cairns at 2004-11-30 07:22:02 GMT)
"Because my favorite part of Gentoo is the choice the installer gives me. "
And no-one is proposing to take that away from you. You install your way and I'll install mine.
44 • No subject (by mcg on 2004-11-30 08:03:45 GMT)
there are abuout 500 GNU/Linux distro out there,which means choice!if you find Gentoo difficult,then use windoze like distros such as mandrake,suse,libranet ,xandros.Gentoo is a distro which teachs you while using,you understand your system.other choice you dont want to learn make your choice from the pool and be happy
45 • Re: The perfect distribution (Ubuntu with Anaconda and Yast) (by Ariszló at 2004-11-30 08:50:22 GMT)
Ubuntu fails at being fast (unless you have 1 GB of RAM), which was one of the requirements listed by Marc.
46 • Multi-Mini Live Distro CD (by ChiJoan at 2004-11-30 12:53:53 GMT)
Sorry to say I was not allowed to download it from this FTP site address. Please let us know when it is mirrored elsewhere.
Thanks so much,
47 • Re: The perfect distribution (Ubuntu with Anaconda and Yast) (by Alan Moser at 2004-11-30 13:41:06 GMT)
"Ubuntu fails at being fast (unless you have 1 GB of RAM)"
Ubuntu is quick, but not out of the box. What you have to do is down load the i686 kernel or the K7 kernel if you have a AMD Duron/Athlon.
48 • Gentoo GUI (by mudrii at 2004-11-30 14:14:29 GMT)
I love Gentoo and use it for years and I like new idea instaling using GUI.
Gentoo is obout the choice.
49 • Re:No subject (by mcg on 2004-11-30 08:03:45 GMT) (by Anonymous Penguin on 2004-11-30 16:13:30 GMT)
You have all the right to defend your choices about Gentoo, but leave other distros alone. Libranet and SuSE are powerful enough to satisfy the most demanding of powerusers. Did you know that Linus uses SuSE?
50 • All this talk about perfect distros.. (by EEDOK at 2004-11-30 18:05:32 GMT)
does your perfect distro exist? http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linux/chooser.html
I need ideas for more questions to classify distros and more distros to be added to the database.(I shall make this script open source once I clean it up a bit).
51 • Linus and SUSE (by Anonymous on 2004-11-30 20:50:45 GMT)
Does Linus still use SuSE now that Novell owns it?
52 • I second for Kile (by Adrian on 2004-12-01 00:17:13 GMT)
Kile is the best software LaTeX program out there, it's about time they got more credit. I hope they get the donation.
53 • Doubt it. (by Alex on 2004-12-01 00:19:45 GMT)
Developers like Linus always have to compile and recompile software and have total control, I wouldn't be suprised if he used Gentoo or Debian now ;)
54 • Gentoo GUI Installer (by Allan Cairns at 2004-12-01 07:07:46 GMT)
"there are abuout 500 GNU/Linux distro out there,which means choice!if you find Gentoo difficult,then use windoze like distros such as mandrake,suse,libranet ,xandros.Gentoo is a distro which teachs you while using,you understand your system.other choice you dont want to learn make your choice from the pool and be happy"
I never said I found Gentoo too difficult. If you read my original post you would see that I have installed Gentoo several times. My issues were to do with the drudgery of the manual install and the length of time to install from source.
That said, what do you have against people who are daunted by the manual install? I like Gentoo because it has the most advanced package management of any distro out there and I would like to see it become more visible with other Linux users. The up-front install turns many away.
55 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-12-01 09:51:36 GMT)
>>Does Linus still use SuSE now that Novell owns it?
>I wouldn't be suprised if he used Gentoo or Debian now
Stallman uses Debian.
56 • Re: No subject by Anonymous (by Ariszló at 2004-12-01 13:49:46 GMT)
Debian GNU/Linux or Debian GNU/Hurd?
57 • Donation... (by P.F.Pearson on 2004-12-01 20:54:59 GMT)
I agree that a donation to Slackware would be a great "good faith" gesture. Kile looks pretty good - how about donating to them the month after Slackware :-)
58 • Sis onboard sound/video (by im_ka at 2004-12-01 21:46:22 GMT)
does anyone know a distro that support onboard sis sound and video _out of the box_? i wanna install linux on my little cousin's pc without much hassle. should be some "easy" distro in the suse/mandrake/mepis/etc... category.
mepis doesnt boot because of video
suse doesnt support the sound card out of the box
59 • zdnet article is misleading (by butters at 2004-12-01 22:17:53 GMT)
The Gentoo developer interviewed in this zdnet article was quick to point out that the reporter was very misleading.
If you read the replies to the article you will find:
Name: Chris Gianelloni
Occupation: Gentoo Linux Developer
Comment: Well, what can I say except that quite a bit of the "meat" of this "interview" was ignored. I did make mention that the full-environment LiveCD would be an "experimental" CD available for x86 and amd64 and that it will have a "limited functionality, beta version" of the installer on the CD. At no point did I represent that there would be a 100% completed installer available by February, but now it appears that everyone under the sun thinks that there will be one.
There will not.
Trust me on this one. The Gentoo Installer project is working very hard, but they are not anywhere near completion and definitely will not be so quickly after the winter holidays. (end comment)
The focus of the Gentoo developers is not on the installer. There are more people working on the Catalyst release tools than on the proposed installer. While I know they will eventually turn out a nice installer for Gentoo, I have always figured that this project should be the work of a commercial distribution (i.e. the many GUI distributions based on Debian). The fact that the biggest GUI Gentoo distribution is the tiny Vidalinux team still boggles my mind. The Gentoo developers have gone to great lengths to create a set of tools and scripts to make Gentoo a great engine for a commercial project. Sun and IBM still need to commit to a open-source community... imagine Sun OpenSolaris/Linux powered by Gentoo Portage?
60 • Gentoo (by Matrix00029 on 2004-12-01 23:55:07 GMT)
Is Gentoo really practical for an enterprise distribution? Portage pretty muchr equires that things are compiled from source, do big software houses really want to give away all their IP, and do customers really want to spend hours compiling software? I think not.
Anyway, I also think that Kile should get the next donation, they really have a very good program and need more support. Their the best in their category.
61 • Sarge is coming! Believe! (by Darrell Covington at 2004-12-01 23:04:44 GMT)
Tried many good distributions: Caldera (remember them?), Red Hat, Fedora, Mandrake, SuSe, Slackware, Gentoo, Debian, Knoppix, Debian, Mepis, Debian, Gnoppix, Debian, Libranet, Debian, Morphix, Debian, Debian, Debian, Debian, Debian . . . Linux on steriods.
62 • Re: Sarge is coming! (by Darrell Covington at 2004-12-01 23:16:15 GMT)
Would you believe steroids?
63 • Enjoyment (by William Roddy at 2004-12-02 23:55:20 GMT)
I have enjoyed reading this discussion and I have learned a lot. Thank you all.
I was wondering if any discussion like it had every taken place on a Windows Web site.
GNU/Linux offers so many wonderful alternatives, it's difficult to decide, and it's always a exciting to see what new adventure there is for today.
64 • Knoppix game distro? (by Scott Wilson at 2004-12-03 03:18:40 GMT)
It would be great, if i could play my Lokie games again. Ever since Xorg became the x window package of choice for many distros, I have been unable to get them to work.
65 • re : Sis onboard sound/video by im_ka (by Anonymous on 2004-12-03 14:03:33 GMT)
If your not scared of reading a bit , i would say that
Arch has all the support for an Sis motherboard.
I did a complete installation of Arch on an ECS K7SOM+
and everything is configured OK !!!
66 • Fedora Core 3: Nvidia problems seem to be finally fixed. (by Andre G- on 2004-12-03 18:54:01 GMT)
the latest updates (using up2date), seem to have finally fixed the Nvidia driver problems that where part of FC3. (Could never get it working!).
The 3D graphics is now enabled, the x config file now looks "normal" (by Nvidia standards), and no manual editing was required.
My FX5200 Nvidia based video card, now works well, and finally the 3D looks very fast. It seems faster than FC2...
In see in "up2date" more Nvidia stuff, and always enable it.
I would say this is a significant achievement, in the FC3 "camp".
Hope it will get even better...
67 • Definitely (by Mark on 2004-12-04 00:53:17 GMT)
Kile I think would be an excellent choice to donate to. I vote for them. THough I have to say that DamnSmall is looking nice and also unique with .9 perhaps they will be rewarded next time,
68 • No subject (by Leth on 2004-12-05 09:47:04 GMT)
Hm... I have 128 MB Ram and a P4 1.4 Ghz, and yet, Ubuntu runs very well...
69 • gentoo reviews (by gentoousernoob on 2004-12-05 13:32:57 GMT)
just wanted to let you know that the gentoo reviews on "the jem report" and on "linux.com" are identical. not sure if that really matters or if anyone will even read this, considering the dw weekly will be renewed in a day or so, but i'm drunk and felt like pointing it out.
70 • gentoo reviews by gentoousernoob (by Anonymous on 2004-12-06 11:15:06 GMT)
"but i'm drunk and felt like pointing it out"
You're not only thoughful when drunk, but also honest! :-)
Friends don't let friends post drunk.
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