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1 • Slackware & Gnome (by Ariszlo at 2004-10-11 13:41:06 GMT) |
No problem. I am using Slackware with Pat's KDE and Todd's Dropline Gnome: the best combination.
2 • Slackware & Gnome (by seth on 2004-10-11 14:03:20 GMT)
This is great , most Slack users use a WM , KDE or Dropline anyway. No need for Pat to keep messing with gnome to get it to work.
3 • Essay (by Nix_User on 2004-10-11 14:31:09 GMT)
Thanks for the essay, I really enjoyed it. I just wanted to drop a line and say that the only reason I look forward to Monsdays is because of the "DistroWatch Weekly".
4 • Slackware and Gnome (by bg at 2004-10-11 15:16:49 GMT)
I'm using fluxbox on Sw-current. I've never used Gnome nor KDE, think both they're far too bloated. Doesn't hurt dropping one of these ;-)
5 • ubuntu link (by linux torrent at 2004-10-11 16:20:25 GMT)
in this text
" It is hard not to notice the growing momentum behind Ubuntu Linux, "
points to http://distrowatch.com/behind
6 • Coffin (by wouter on 2004-10-11 16:22:27 GMT)
Windows has already more nails in its coffin than in the whole Eiffel tower. In fact, it's more nail than coffin. Microsoft just has too much bloody money and liars of the marketing kind, and populus vult decipi.
All the exploits of the world won't convince the average computer user that they should switch, because most of them just think that is what computers and operating systems are about.
The biggest problem seems to be that most non-technical people think that Linux is hard. And the geek following usually doesn't help to convince them otherwise. But, in my opinion, a well installed Linux desktop is, these days at least, by no means harder than a Windows desktop. In fact, with some handy pre-configuring, one could very easily make the switch without half of the office noticing what happened. The average non-technical person doesn't use more than a handful of programs anyway. And some themes, cursors and backgrounds ofcourse, so they can feel as if they really are original individuals.
7 • apt-get repositories (by nitroushhh on 2004-10-11 16:32:15 GMT)
I posted this to last weeks DW just as this weeks appeared so i though it would be ok to repost.
Seeing package lists from distros' daily builds, I was wondering if you also list current package versions from a distros' apt-get repository.
If not, is it a policy or just that no-ones interested ???
My thinking was that I find pclinuxos very handy for my media machine. But also, because of their great apt-get repository, I can try out new versions of packages very easily. Via synaptic and their very up-to-date repository.
I think it would be useful for visitors to see versions in apt-get repositories. What do you think ???
Do you have a way for pclinuxos to send you this info to you ?
8 • Slackware & Gnome (by Haldir on 2004-10-11 17:39:19 GMT)
Actually most of the people I know that have used Gnome and Slackware for a long time do not use Dropline. Dropline adds PAM and changes to its own version of X, it doesn't always play nice with Slack current, changes permissions.... Pat V. is on the record railing against PAM, so this all seems a bit mystifying. I do not wish to start yet another flame war on Dropline. They occur all too frequently on linuxquestion's slackware forum.
9 • Slackware & Gnome (by sclebo05 on 2004-10-11 20:23:39 GMT)
At the risk of being redundent, I also feel that Pat should concentrate on creating the distro, and let Dropline handle the Gnome end of it. Specialization of labor - it's a good thing.
10 • Slackware & Gnome (by Pashc at 2004-10-12 00:59:49 GMT)
The Dropline site seems to be down at the moment
11 • apt-get repositories (by ladislav at 2004-10-12 01:48:09 GMT)
If not, is it a policy or just that no-ones interested
The policy is simple - if a distribution has an open development tree and is reasonably popular, I make the effort to create an auto-update script for it. This way, its page on DistroWatch gets updated daily.
As for PCLinuxOnline, I can see 4 directories holding RPMs on the ibiblio.org server:
Which one do you want me to include? Sorry, I didn't have the time to research the directories and see what gets updated frequently, but since you know about the distro, maybe you can tell me exactly what columns to add to the PCLinuxOS page and how they should be populated. You can email me directly with info (see the bottom of this page for my email address) and we'll take it from there.
12 • Aurox Linux - Oct. 11, 2004 (by Hoa Le at 2004-10-12 03:12:24 GMT)
It appears this would be a great product were it not for the fact the distribution is still very much Euro-centric. I clicked on the home page, selected the English version but still found the column headings in German! The home page is in French!
I would suggest that only English be used in English version.
13 • Hancom Linux 4.0 (by Kanwar at 2004-10-12 03:25:54 GMT)
Hi, does anyone know if this edition can be installed in English too? Or is it still Korean and Arabic only?
14 • Hancom Linux 4.0 (by ladislav at 2004-10-12 03:44:13 GMT)
does anyone know if this edition can be installed in English too?
I am still downloading it, but I doubt it (unless there is a "text mode" install). Otherwise, Hancom has never produced an English edition of its distribution and nothing suggests that things are different this time.
15 • Essay (by Soloact at 2004-10-12 08:01:00 GMT)
Thanks for sharing that essay, I'm going to turn around and share it with others too.
I'm a fan of Linux because it is secure vs MS, but I'm also a fan of Windows, as it has it's place amongst my computers as well (basically, I'm stubborn enough to not want to give up some favorite apps).
I read an opinion once where the author mentioned that MS should ponder just shutting down the company and walking away from the Windows problems. He made a good point.
Another opinion had the author mentioning that MS should dump it's kernel and build a "Windows" over the Linux kernel. Another story with a good point.
Keep up the good work on a great, informative site!
16 • DE distros (by butters at 2004-10-12 08:41:00 GMT)
To shift the complexity of building a GNU/Linux system from the kernel developers and end users, the concept of a Linux "distribution" was developed (and Slackware was based on the grandaddy of them all, SLS). As OSS-based operating systems gain traction on the desktop, perhaps its time to shift the hassle of packaging desktop environments from both the DE developers and Linux distributors.
I think that recent problems with both GNOME and KDE packaging (remember the "buggy" KDE 3.3.0 release) underlies the need for DE packagers such as Dropline, or DE platform distributions such as Ubuntu. Both have done a great job in packaging enhanced versions of GNOME for the tgz and apt platforms respectively.
I, as a Gentoo user, would like to see Ubuntu's GNOME 2.8 package available in portage, for example. But, alas, we just got the vanilla GNOME ebuild out of the hard mask yesterday, and that's something to be happy about (along with the portage tree surpassing the 100,000 file mark).
One more thought: how about automating/extending the capabilities of GARNOME and Konstruct so that package managers can easily interface with them?
17 • DYNE:BOLIC 1.30 LiveCD review from a NOOB user (by _SRM_Kite on 2004-10-12 10:57:19 GMT)
I just picked up LinuxUser & Developer mag last night. Just that came with 2 distros Gentoo Linuz and Dyne, I popped Dyne in this AM and was BLOWN AWAY! This thing loads UBER fast! Is a pretty easy to use layout, and I have not read the manual yet. I will be reading it in a bit though.
I just bought WinXP for WAY TO MUCH $$ for it. However, my wife wanted it for her newer puter than mine, and so she we got it. For me to keep using it would cost $84.00 for the lisence key. We paid $94US retail for it. MS = BS = Bill Gates.
WinXP install took just over 2hours on my PentII 233 mhz machine with 128mb ram. Dyne:Bolic took about 1 or maybe 2 minutes if even that. I know it is a LiveCD, but Gentoo Loaded just as fast except I don't know yet what a LiveCD root# is or does or what to put in it to make it run like Dyne does. Amazing really that MS has no clue at all from what I see so far. They STEAL all sorts of so called "Non-Personal" info (system settings, chipset, config and such. Then expect the user to not realize this information about them "IS INDEED PERSONAL" it is your computer you bought, or made and set up to your liking. Do you think Billy Gates would mind if we return the same and scan his Servers to then scann the MS Company computers "FOR NON PERSONAL" information? I am afraid not. Not even if we say it is to know what is the best system set up to use. But, it's ok for MS to do this in reverse? And, not need to buy a license for each access to our information? Hmmm...:~( I think that any company who wants to use my information to make money in any way then needs to BUY a license to my info EACH time they access it. A one use deal, each time and I hold all rights to it. It can't be sold traded or given away for progit or not.
I have used a MS OS for a long time and felt for years it would be GREAT to be able to get rid of it. Now, I think that is going to happen.
I think Microsoft and Bill Gates need to pay me for my "non-peronal" information that help MS R&D make the products that SUCKER people into buying it. I feel anything that "IS" not a MS product should not be accessed for information. If MS wants to know what my Puter has, pay me for that info. Want to know what software is installed on my unit that is NOT MS in nature, pay me for that info. Want to track my usage, PAY me for this. After all without the customer we would not need MS. Wait we don't need MS. The MS Spin DR's make the masses think they need MS. I say MS=BS and that Bill Gates owner of MS is nothing but a THEAF, and is full of BS.
18 • Re: Hancom Linux 4.0 (by Kanwar at 2004-10-12 11:52:13 GMT)
Thanks for the reply...btw if you are going to install it, can you post how you did it? Can you read korean? Is there a way to "blind" click thru the install? Later one can always change the locale ...
Just wondering actually...
19 • Aurox (by nomenon on 2004-10-12 14:23:46 GMT)
Hoa Le you are wrong.
Aurox homepage is not in French but it is in Polish!
I also looked at English version and I did not find any German parts, but maybe I do not know English good enough...
20 • GNOME & Slack (by Axel Fendersson on 2004-10-12 23:23:56 GMT)
I think if Slackware stops including GNOME and leaves it to Dropline it will be a real shame. Dropline's methods go against what I like most about Slackware, that is that everything is stock, as the original authors intended, and everything is up to me to update and maintain.
It will be a real pity if I can't combine that with using a GNOME desktop that I didn't have to compile myself.
21 • Microsofts coffin (by Vegard at 2004-10-13 00:43:30 GMT)
Do we really believe in these "articles"? Since the dawn of sites such as linux.org and slashdot we've seen hundreds of these so called IT experts coming out of their closets with the happy messages: "This is it, microsoft is going down", "This is Microsofts last breath for air", "Bill has nailed his coffin for good this time" and our favourite "Linux has gained marketshares exponentionaly".
This is not news, its recycled prayers. Microsoft is still easier to use than our OS of choise, has better hardware support and there is always a neighbour who can help you out if you get stuck. If somebody who's never used Linux before installs, lets say Mandrake, and the soundcard is down, he will face a lot problems.
He cant just google for soundproblems on Linux, even if he seeks out a forum (Something I *never* did in Windows days by the way), he will be faced with a lot of questions that he has no way of answering! What distro do you run? Community edition? Commersial edition? what kernel do you run? Have you got Alsa installed? Tried OSS emulation?
Even when all of these are answered he will have a hard time fixing the problem. Find your soundcard module in the alsamatrix and modprobe it, try sndconfig, edit your configfiles manually...And when he finally gets his soundcard up and running, he may want to burn a cd...we have all been there.
Dont get me wrong, and dont kill the messenger. Im a technical user who *loves* my Arch Linux, but I wont recommend it to granma. Im sure Linux will have its day on the desktop, but the day has not come yet -- For nontechnical users it is more important to get stuff up and running than having a secure system.
22 • Microsofts coffin. (by RickT at 2004-10-13 01:46:51 GMT)
This is not a flame, but I do disagree with some of your points.
Do we really believe these articles? I don't, but they are fun to read and I find them indicative of Linux gaining mindshare if not marketshare against the M$ OS. Microsoft will be around for a long time to come....I hope! But, don't get me wrong, I want MS around only for the competition they offer. M$ is the #1 Desktop OS but they will be #2. Mindshare is a powerful tool .... as Microsoft well knows.
MS has better hardware support, granted...for now. As for MS being easier to use. I find that's a matter of experience. Linux can be quite daunting at first, heck even distro to distro.. But like any new OS there is a learning curve. This remark is very similar to the remarks by the first *NIX users migrating to WIndows. Replace Microsoft/WIndows with UNIX and then LINUX with WIndows and you'll see what I mean.
Can't google for a soundcard issue under Linux? I totally disagree. I had an issue with my Audigy 2 card under Fedora Core2 T3. Goggle was the first place I went, and the last. The specific answer to my specific need was there. How about fonts under Debian Sarge...Google it! I find google a better resource than most Corporate Support services. The major difference is that I have to sift and collate rather than argue and wait.
"a hard time fixing the problem." But the point is that the problem IS fixable. What do you do under MS? Hack the Registry? Return the hardware? Call Microsoft (Have your credit card handy). Not a lot of options with MS.
I absolutely agree with "For nontechnical users it is more important to get stuff up and running than having a secure system." I deal with them all day long.... True absolutly true.
To me the question is not just "Is Linux ready for the desktop?" but also "Is the User ready for Linux?".
23 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-10-13 04:31:48 GMT)
"Is the User ready for Linux?"
Will never be. That's why MS spends millions in usability research to tailor OS to users and not the other way around. In my opinion if desktop user has to use command line it's a failure of OS not providing tools to solve the problem with intuitive GUI. Computer at home is just another appliance and being treated as such. It's purpose to make your life easier. And linux at this point consistantly fails to deliver that ease. Soccer mom is not interested in solving ALSA or ACPI problems when she has two kids, dog and a husband to take care of. When OSS devs recognize that fact and do something about it, linux will start gaining market share on desktops... And linux fans will be whining about dumbimg down of their OS.
24 • Linux Newbie; General thoughts on Linux. (by Anonymous at 2004-10-13 07:25:35 GMT)
Dear Linux Community,
As the subject suggests, I'm a newbie when it comes to Linux. However, I'm VERY interested in learning more, since I am convinced that open source is the way of the future (maybe sooner than one might imagine!).
Hoping to complete my conversion to linux; I have tinkered around with a few distros such as RH9, FC1, Knoppix, and most recently FC2 (and hope to try out Ubuntu's Live CD soon).
All this is nice and cozy.... BUT... to the average Win slave (sadly I'm am still one of those), I expect to get things done without having to learn the ins and outs of every detail of the system. This knowledge can be acquired later (after the job is done!). Tutorials and wizards are helpful in this way. Later on (as the user settles down into the new OS, and more time is spent learning it) the user will no doubt move to line commands since one line does the work of a 5-6 or 7 page wizard, and does it better.
It really boils down to this:
THE LEARNING CURVE.... smooth it out, and users will be jumping on the wagon.
Any advice regarding what distro I should start with (and hopefully stick with)??
25 • Essay (by Emil on 2004-10-13 09:18:11 GMT)
I don't know 'bout you guys, but I, too, was a MS die hard, I've seen Red Hat (the earlier versions) and it was said that it's the most user-friendly linux (at the time), and I was convinced that there are no destktop lifeform outside windows.
I'm a reluctant person when it comes to OS migration/upgrade, I still use win 3.11 when people swarmed win95, I still use 98se when Xp is the hot OS, but then I was forced to move to XP when I had a hardtime with USB flash in 98.
I never had any problem with viruses in windows because I'm a careful person, I never use floppy disks, I never execute untrusted exe, I share my folders as read only, I use Netscape instead of IE/outlook, I disable macros in office files. Then came blaster worm, and suddenly I found my PC infected without me doing anything wrong (other then running winXP). That's the time I consider looking for alternatif OS.
Then came my friend with Knoppix 3.3 for me to try. Guess what, today I happily use Debian (kanotix) as my daily desktop use, I still use windows on my notebook as my job requires.
Today, I still doesn't understand whatever is in /etc other than resolv.conf. I still don't like vi or other arcane esoteric cryptic config files or command lines in linux, but I still can use linux as my desktop. I can play MP3 (or ogg), I can burn CDs, I can browse the web, I can send e-mails, I can read pdfs, I can do image editing, I can play small games, I can change my desktop wallpaper (I even get to set different wallpapers for each of my 4 desktops !!!!!, multiple desktop is really a blessing), I can even read office files.
Sure I still need windows, but now I know that there are alternatives to windows And maybe someday I'll dump windows for good (but not now) :)
26 • Distro of choice (by nameles on 2004-10-13 13:36:24 GMT)
"Any advice regarding what distro I should start with (and hopefully stick with)??"
That is a loaded question. You will get as many opinions as there are people reading this page. Having said that, I am relatively new to Linux as well and have played around with many, many distributions in the last year or so. In my opinion, Mepis stands head and shoulders above the rest. From a newbie perspective it could not be simpler to get started... live CD, very simple and quick install to hard drive, all browser plugins preconfigured, very easy install of NVIDIA drivers, very friendly and helpful user community. It is based on Debian so as you become more experienced, you have easy access to the vast Debian software repositories. Definitely deserves a look.
27 • Slackware (by EEDOK at 2004-10-13 16:39:50 GMT)
It's starting to look like a good idea for Pat to drop KDE as well and focus completely on the distro.
28 • Microsofts coffin (by Vegard at 2004-10-13 16:53:41 GMT)
I realize that this isnt a real forum so Ill keep it short, but I would like to clarify one last thing: I never doubted for a second that anyone who reads this page is able to google themselves out of most problems, but a newcomer will find it hard to do so.
Not because the solutions arent out there mind you, but simply because a newcomer doesnt know what to search for unless he have som technical know-how, a googlesearch for mandake+soundblaster+problem will retrieve zillions of hits, 10-20 of them will be helpfull, and then Im not even mentioning the differences from distro to distro. And when "Alsa", "OSS" and "kernel modules" means pretty much the same as "kulleballe", "ZQX" and "baluba bfhgva" he wont be able use the information the same way as you and me.
29 • Manrakesoft Move (by Newbie on 2004-10-14 11:25:46 GMT)
I am confused, could any one please help?
[Quote]Mandrakesoft Move is available from Mandrakestore (from US$79.80 up, inclusive of a USB key), while a download edition is provided free to Mandrakeclub members. [End-Quote]
Does this mean that it is for Mandrakeclub members only or those who purchased from Mandrake Store?
Can any Mandrake Club member share it with others just like Community edition? Thanks!
30 • EEDOk's comment (by sparky on 2004-10-14 21:24:13 GMT)
I just wonder at comments like this.
If Pat's using KDE himself why not make it available to Slackware users that want to use it as well???
31 • AUROX (nomenon 2004-10-12 @ 14:23:46 GMT) (by Hoa Le at 2004-10-15 01:36:19 GMT)
I stand by my comments. Here's why:
1) Home page www.aurox.org is written in French.
2) User Forum is in German. When you click on the British flag, the content of each post is in English BUT the headings are still in German (for example, "beitrage", "themen", "letzler", etc).
I am not putting down any language, it's just that when you want to show the world an English page, it should be entirely in English.
Other than that, Aurox would be great!
Just my two cents worth of comments, in my humble opinion.
32 • How to find stuff on Distrowatch.com (by Thiers at 2004-10-15 16:06:13 GMT)
I'm a persistent reader of Distrowatch and frequently find here some useful stuff which I bookmark for later use. Things like:
Multi-Linux HowTo - http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040614#2
Multi-Linux: Recover bootloader HOWTO - http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20040719#feedback
But today, when organizing some hastily added bookmarks, I found that I had an OLD bookmark that was no longer valid (for obvious reason - what's an "old current issue" ??) :
Then I searched your site for the usual search tool ; found that your search facilities only cover distros and NOT articles.
Great then, let's see what Google can find at your site - well, in short words, it didn't find what I was looking for.
This story had a happy ending when I resorted to the only available alternative: browsing weekly issues one by one (this actually took me all of 5 minutes, after disabling image loading and checking just the headlines at the top of each issue).
Nevertheless, I can see that you have now a glaring omission at Distrowatch - a search facility that covers EVERYTHING, and not only distros. Or else accept my apologies for not finding it if you DO have one . . . :))
33 • RE: How to find stuff on Distrowatch.com (by ladislav at 2004-10-17 06:55:27 GMT)
Nevertheless, I can see that you have now a glaring omission at Distrowatch...
You are right. We need to do something about this one soon.
34 • AUROX (by nomenon on 2004-10-18 16:19:21 GMT)
to: Hoa Le
you are right about english version
but i can't agree with you about the homepage. i am polish and i can recognise polish language, you can be sure. maybe you have set french as your default language in your browser or something like this
35 • Fastest Linux for games? (by Mal McNulty at 2004-10-19 11:56:06 GMT)
is there a distro that is acknowledged as the best for Linux games? Red Hat seems slow with the ported games I have so far tried.
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|• Issue 656 (2016-04-11): Qubes OS 3.1, Whonix offers bug bounties, Puppy's family tree, setting up disk partitions and running bash on Windows|
|• Issue 655 (2016-04-04): Parsix 8.5, Sabayon's Community repository, Red Hat offers free subscriptions, Ubuntu tablets, command line tips|
|• Issue 654 (2016-03-28): PCLinuxOS 2016.03, Using signatures to create a web of trust, Arch Linux rolls out Pacman update, GuixSD packages GNOME|
|• Issue 653 (2016-03-21): Antergos 2016.02.21, Debian prepares for election, a Unix-like OS written in Rust, watching Netflix on FreeBSD|
|• Issue 652 (2016-03-14): ReactOS 0.4.0, Debian swaps Iceweasel for Firefox, Fedora moving forward with Wayland, Verifying ISO files|
|• Issue 651 (2016-03-07): Korora 23, Linux Mint improves security, Ubuntu MATE on Raspberry Pi 3 computers, trying different file systems|
|• Issue 650 (2016-02-29): Haiku in 2016, running Android apps on GNU/Linux, 30 years of MINIX, Fedora plans Atomic Workstation|
|• Issue 649 (2016-02-22): Zorin OS 11, openSUSE launches new editions, Linux Mint website compromised, sandboxing applications using Firejail|
|• Issue 648 (2016-02-15): XStream Desktop 153, Raspbian unveils OpenGL feature, free hardware, Ikey Doherty talks desktop design|
|• Full list of all issues|
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