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1 • KDE 3.3 (by Anonymous on 2004-09-06 11:18:05 GMT) |
> this time because Mandrakelinux 10.1 will not include the latest KDE 3.3. The decision here is purely pragmatic - it has turned out that KDE 3.3 is one of the buggiest KDE releases in recent history.
This reads as if the Mandrake decision was made after seeing KDE 3.3 - which is not true. Mandrake already planned with KDE 3.2.3 in next release when KDE 3.3 was still months away. Also I can't sign this "buggest KDE" statement. And the Slackware/Debian statements sound like packaging problems.
2 • completely unnecessary badmouthing (by Datschge on 2004-09-06 11:24:02 GMT)
Stating "it has turned out that KDE 3.3 is one of the buggiest KDE releases in recent history" sounds like pure badmouthing without backing it with facts.
The official Knoppix 3.6 still uses 3.2.3 because the final 3.3.0 was released just a couple days before it and the existing Debian packages still based on the release candidates, not the final release. And Mandrake didn't include KDE 3.3.0 anymore since they were well in the beta phase already, you just don't exchange whole packages when you are already testing the result of what you put together.
Fabian Franz released an unofficial Knoppix 3.6 with KDE 3.3.0 during KDE's aKademy meeting (also available at http://debian.tu-bs.de/knoppix/aKademy-live/ ), there you can check out if you really consider that "one of the buggiest KDE releases in recent history". Thank you.
3 • Feather not perfect for old computers (by distro-monkey on 2004-09-06 11:26:13 GMT)
Damn Small and Feather have broken APT to make them smaller. If you install Feather on hard disk, you cannot upgrade it using apt-get. This means that Feather hardly is "perfect mini distribution for old computers". Both Feather and Damn Small are good Live CDs, though.
4 • kde 3.3 (by reddazz on 2004-09-06 11:37:01 GMT)
I am suprised by the comments that it is unstable and crashes on Slackware. I am using it on Slack 10 and have not had any problems. Also I agree with previous comments, Knoppix and Mandrake never meant to include KDE 3.3 in their pending releases.
5 • RE: completely unnecessary badmouthing (by ladislav at 2004-09-06 12:09:20 GMT)
Stating "it has turned out that KDE 3.3 is one of the buggiest KDE releases in recent history" sounds like pure badmouthing without backing it with facts.
Without backing it with facts?! So why did I quote two distribution maintainers who have rejected KDE 3.3? The first rejection is explicitly mentioned in the Knoppix 3.6 changelog (sorry guys, your argument that it never meant to be included in Knoppix 3.6 just doesn't hold), while the second is from the recent Slackware current changelog. Go and see for yourself.
As for my "buggiest KDE" statement, this is based on my own experience - KDE 3.3 on my Debian Sid is buggy as hell. A packaging problem? Maybe. But the statements by Klaus Knopper and Patrick Volkerding would seem to confirm that KDE 3.3 is far from stable and bug-free.
6 • Damn Small VS Feather (by Aussie on 2004-09-06 12:35:57 GMT)
I've used both, but I still find Damn Small Linux to be a better OS (especially with MyDSL) and has a bigger following on the forums :P
The best thing is, since they're both tiny you can easily download them both and try them out for yourselves :) Nothing beats having a few spare distro's in your laptop bag!
7 • RE: completely unnecessary badmouthing (by ChrisW on 2004-09-06 12:47:51 GMT)
I've been using KDE 3.3 on some Debian Unstalbe Installs myself and yes it has bugs.. once even the icons of some of my QuickLaunch shortcuts were gone!! Leaving only some gears for Kopete, KMail and Akregator...
But that has been my only 'major' problem so far ;)
Most of what I've read about issues with KDE 3.3 seem to come from Debian users who are using the unusually fast released packages that have only partly changed in the time since - so yes I think some of them have to be based on the latest RC.
Thus I don't think what you've written was very nice though not necessarily untrue since afaik there weren't many bugs in recent KDE releases at all.
8 • RE: completely unnecessary badmouthing (by ladislav at 2004-09-06 13:09:37 GMT)
I don't think what you've written was very nice
I don't think so either. And it looks like I managed to alienate some of the readers, which does makes me sad. But the fact is that I've been using KDE for a long time and I honestly cannot remember a buggier release than 3.3.0. As an example, I have several documents opened in Kate - I can run a spellcheck on most of them, but there are a few which refuse the spellcheck, because they cannot find ispell. Yet, the next open document does find ispell just fine! Or Konqueror - try selecting several files, then right-click on the selection. If I do that, the selection disappears! There are several very annoying bugs in Kmail as well. I don't want to list all the bugs I've found, but I never had any of these problems in KDE 3.2.3.
And I repeat, it's not just me. The maintainers of Slackware and Knoppix have presented their complaints too. Some say that Mandrake never meant to include it in 10.1, but I am not so sure. I have no doubts that somebody at Mandrake packaged it, then tried it out, just to find severe showstopper bugs. Of course, it's just speculation on my part, but I've been following their development style for some time and they do try to include the latest KDE, sometimes even very late in their development process.
In short, there is mounting evidence that KDE 3.3.0 was rushed out too early. You have every right to disagree, but the fact remains that myself and several prominent distribution maintainers are highly unimpressed with it.
9 • Lay off Ladislav (by haldir on 2004-09-06 13:16:24 GMT)
I am not sure why you guys are acting like he killed a sacred cow or something. He is simply reporting the news. He quoted 2 separate distro maintainers and his own experience. I don't know how that equates to badmouthing. I think that the Linux community can openly discuss problems in software without taking it so personally. This isn't M$. If KDE's latest release has problems, it should be discussed. They will get them ironed out and make a better product. Part of the open source movement's success is this "welcomed" feedback from the user base.
10 • fedora (by Bjørn at 2004-09-06 13:20:24 GMT)
woo,, not only the libmp3 that they have removed this time..
"In practical terms, this means that as little as an additional 90MB can be required for a minimal installation, while as much as an additional 175MB can be required for an "everything" installation."
its 1750mb ? or?
11 • KDE 3.3 (by Life at 2004-09-06 14:14:00 GMT)
I'm with ladislav on this one. I installed KDE 3.3 on a Gentoo system, and on a Slackware box in the last week or so, both seem to have similar problems, namely invovling fonts / icons dissapearing or badly rendering, and several segmentation faults during what I percieve as normal usage, even after a complete recompile of KDE and Xorg on the Gentoo system, it was still messy.
This is not to say it will be the same for everyone, you have to understand the vast amount of different system configurations and processes over a variety of different installs, obviously some will cause bugs and issues, whilst others will get along just fine. For Ladislav to quote two developers and echo the opinion based on his own experiences is not badmouthing or proposing unsubstaintiated claims, he has based his opinion on several factors (something which even large mainstream media news reporters rarely bother doing) and I know alot of people would agree.
Anyway, as haldir said, its not like he is waging some war on KDE, just that he found this particular release to be buggy, and trying to help you guys by advising people to wait until a more stable release comes around the corner (which I am sure the KDE Development team will produce), take it or leave it.
P.S. Love the BMW advertising board, my brother works at a BMW outlet here, I will be sure to show him later ;)
12 • Nomination for next donation (by Paul at 2004-09-06 16:06:06 GMT)
I'd like to nominate Autopackage (http://autopackage.sunsite.dk/) for next month's donation. In my opinion, the biggest thing missing from Linux right now is a decent packaging system. I'd really like to see this project suceed and become a universal package that every distro can use. Just my two cents.
13 • Donations ... (by nevixpain at 2004-09-06 16:14:15 GMT)
I would nominate Slax (slax.org) to get the next donation.
I am watching the poject for one year now i think
and it grews very fast. Thomas (the one-man-project leader) anwsers every question in the very active forum as fast as he can (i think so).
Slax it self has a genial hardware detection, is based on slackware, has never crashed for me and is easier to use than suse i think !
14 • Donations (by Siacs on 2004-09-06 16:35:08 GMT)
I am very glad to see you have chosen Vidalinux to give some Money to. For those who have not tried it . PLease do. I use it as my main desktop. It is very impressive , and great support from the developers/forums.Vidalinux , a gentoo based distro that easy to install and looks and performs great.
15 • Damn Small Linux (by distrobug on 2004-09-06 17:45:07 GMT)
I have been running Damn Small Linux from a USB pendrive for some time now and it works great. I wonder why the author
thought only Feather Linux would run from USB ?
Looking at both of these distros and their forums Feather Linux is only a clone of Damn Small Linux
Damn Small Linux creates all the innovative features and new ideas for small distros these days that everyone else follows
16 • Vidalinux (by N11 on 2004-09-06 18:31:56 GMT)
I've been using Vidalunix for the last days and its very inpressive. I'm happy to see thet you chose them.
Sorry for may poor english
17 • re: KDE 3.3 (by Ralph De Witt at 2004-09-06 18:36:10 GMT)
I total disagree with the statement that KDE 3.3 is the buggiest release. I happily use PCLinuxOS pre 7a and have been using KDE 3.3 with out any errors or crashes since it reached unstable. The only problem I had was the install of Agyptian (sp) support for Kmail 1.7. For me the appropriate information was hard to find, and it took several days of working with lead developer to get all the manual configurations done. I think this is the only weak area in KDE 3.3.
18 • Donation (by Slackware Fan on 2004-09-06 18:38:10 GMT)
Do Distrowatch users have any say in who the donations go to? No offense, but Vidalinux and Fluxbox have a very limited audience (no offense to their users or developers, but no matter how you view it that statement is true). Perhaps some people would prefer either more "mainstream" distributions (like Slackware or Debian hehe) or software rather than a distribution (like KDE or Mozilla Foundation)
Maybe a poll would be a good idea.
19 • Re broken APT (by Anonymous on 2004-09-06 18:41:48 GMT)
I don't know about Feather, but Damn Small has the ability to reinstall apt via a handy script.
20 • Damnsmall and USB (by Aiku Tsub at 2004-09-06 19:37:34 GMT)
Damnsmall was the FIRST tiny distro to run from 64MB pendrive.
All one has to do is look at knoppix.net forums to see:
And that was way back when damnsmall was v0.3.6
21 • RE: ladislav / KDE 3.3 bug (by ChrisW on 2004-09-06 20:27:56 GMT)
I don't doubt that you and others have found quite a few bugs and as far as I remember KDE 3.2 was less buggy, so I think we agree, but I haven't found any real showstoppers myself that would make me recommend against using it but as always your milieage may vary...
I think I can explain at least one of the bugs you found:
[i]Or Konqueror - try selecting several files, then right-click on the selection. If I do that, the selection disappears![/i]
The point is that you most probably didn't really click [i]on[/i] the files but somewhere on the "free space" where there is no text or symbol. The problem is that even though this free space withing the Name column doesn't activate a file anymore but it is still highlighted when a file is selected.
The mere facht that you can't click to the left of a filename anymore to open it might upset some people, but if you really thing about it you might agree that to most users not already used to konqueror's old behaviour the "file" equals the file name and the icon - not the whole name column.
So basically it's not your fault but the highlighting is kind of buggy right now - only the file name and icon should be highlighted when selected. This way you wouldn't miss them anymore.
22 • Re KDE 3.3.0 (by Ivan Kerekes at 2004-09-06 20:38:12 GMT)
Maybe my testing and usage patterns are lot less demanding than yours Ladislaw, (I am just an avarage disto junky), but I have KDE 3.3.0 in Conectiva, Yoper 2.1, and in my main distro, PCLinuxOS (pv5, pv7, pv7a) in pv7a I even have xorg 6.8 rc4 installed, and I am quite happy with all of the packaging, and with the stability of KDE 3.3.0.
I am not able to comment on Ralph De Witt setup problems, I never tried to setup KDE in my native language (hungarian), but I know quite a few people who done it. I realy appritiate Ladislaw what you try to say, and respect your opinion a whole lot, ( I am visiting distrowatch at least once in every day) but my opinion that an avarage desktop user wuld find KDE 3.3.0 quite satisfactory and stable.
23 • Konqueror marked files bug (by ChrisW on 2004-09-06 20:48:45 GMT)
Just to let everyone know, I reported the bug described above at bugs.kde.org:
24 • RE: ladislav / KDE 3.3 bug (by ladislav at 2004-09-06 22:09:29 GMT)
The point is that you most probably didn't really click [i]on[/i] the files but somewhere on the "free space" where there is no text or symbol.
You are right, I've tried it now and it works the way you described it. I thought it was a bug because file selection in Konqueror behaves differently than it did in KDE 3.2. Thanks for your explanation.
25 • RE: Donation (by ladislav at 2004-09-06 22:23:00 GMT)
Do Distrowatch users have any say in who the donations go to?
Yes, the article says that readers are welcome and encouraged to nominate projects for the next donation. We've had a discussion about this when the programme was launched and some people were opposed to sending money to large projects (such as the ones you mention), while others disagreed. I try to please all opinions, but it's not always easy.
Fluxbox was nominated by one of the readers, hence the donation. As for Vidalinux, we had a discussion about Gentoo's installation program and many people agreed that it was tedious (fun the first time, but no longer fun if you have to do it more than once). That's when I thought that donating money to a project that has done such a great job with porting Anaconda to Gentoo was a good idea. Both Fluxbox and Vidalinux might be small projects, but remember that EVERY open source project, even Debian or KDE, started up as small ideas and grew from there.
By the way, Debian will receive a donation as soon as they release stable Sarge.
I understand that not everybody likes the projects the donations are going to, but I would still prefer if you nominated a project for the donation, rather than questioning the wisdom of past donations.
26 • Vidalinux (by mariachi at 2004-09-06 23:29:40 GMT)
Good to see money go to a worthy cause like Vidalinux.
These guys have worked hard to get this distro out there and offer heaps of support via their irc channel .
27 • the vidalinux donation (by escapenguin at 2004-09-06 23:29:56 GMT)
Before Distrowatch donated to Vidalinux, they received a total of 25 bucks in donations. They put up the ISOs for free, and they have to pay for most of that bandwidth (there were a few sort-of-working mirrors up the last time I checked and the torrent wasn't working). After a couple thousand downloads of almost a gig each, that adds up quite a bit of loot. Beta 1, which probably should've been Alpha 1 was a disappointment, but the latest beta I tried, beta2, was pretty high quality work for two developers doing this in their spare time. I think the donation was well deserved, especially since these guys took all the scrutiny fired at them and fixed almost everything we bitched about after beta1 was released.
Now imagine if all 2000+ of those downloaders donated one dollar just to help out. I think it's important to help the smaller guys out since most of them do this voluntarily for a largely ungrateful and even sometimes hostile crowd.
28 • Vidalinux (by Sergio on 2004-09-07 00:22:50 GMT)
Very well said, escapenguin, I couldn't agree more.
29 • RE: kde 3.3 (by Mario A. Vazquez at 2004-09-07 00:28:37 GMT)
ladislav says... Or Konqueror - try selecting several files, then right-click on the selection. If I do that, the selection disappears! There are several very annoying bugs in Kmail as well.
Well, I have kde 3.3 on a Gentoo system. I tried selecting some files, pressing the right over the selection, and the selection stays there. No problem at all.
But what I have found is that kde sometimes trash the desktop when selecting or moving objects.
30 • KDE 3.3 (by sanitys3j at 2004-09-07 01:17:29 GMT)
I know it was Patrick who said KDE is unstable, but I've had no prob w/ anti-aliased fonts, or crashes (no more than 3.2.x). I'm running 3.3 on Slack 10 and couldn't be happier w/ it. I think the recent update to Qt may have made a difference though.
31 • KDE fanboys (by wouter at 2004-09-07 02:40:00 GMT)
Will y'all give the man some rest already. It's not as if saying that a recent release of a certain piece of software is buggy or unstable -factually, citing sources and own experiences-, is like taking your lolly-pop away. I'm not a KDE user, but I'd be very happy if someone told me there still are some bugs to iron out *before* I install that version on my main desktop and end up with a broken system.
Don't be such wining fanboys. That's for insecure teenies without identity. Put those flags and bibles away, and use the torches to go look for bugs.
Don't make me regret that the internet became such a commodity, kids.
32 • KDE fanboys (by JoeLinux at 2004-09-07 04:58:54 GMT)
I'm with Wouter and others before him on this one. I bet most of you have missed what it says below 'DistroWatch Weekly' on the top of this page - A weekly opinion column and a summary of events from the distribution world.
And yes, opinion and summary of events of the past week is what it provides including the experiences Ladislav, Patrick and a few other users on various distros e.g. Gentoo, Slackware, Debian, etc had with KDE 3.3. So don't get all that worked up over what is essentially a weekly opinion column guys/gals. Lighten up!
33 • Lycoris (by Holger at 2004-09-07 05:58:30 GMT)
34 • Languages and linux (by Marauder1 at 2004-09-07 06:18:25 GMT)
Hello all, i have a whish.
Could you be more informative in the
Distrowatch language support column than the
I know that multilanguage means more than one
but i would like to know which ones.
35 • Re: KDE fanboys (by Anonymous on 2004-09-07 06:54:08 GMT)
> It's not as if saying that a recent release of a certain piece of software is buggy or unstable
He didn't write that it has bugs (standard blabla: every software has bugs and you don't have to post some random bug from the thousands known here to prove it). He touts KDE 3.3.0 as one of the "buggiest releases in recent history" which is pure flammatory and not assisted by the sources he cites. Personally I think that at least 3.1.0 or 3.0.0 were worse.
Now going back to watch http://bugs.kde.org and waiting for the floods of duplicate bug reports which should happen here according to your description - but they are not being filed. So packaging problems at the end?
36 • RE: completely unnecessary badmouthing (by Anonymous on 2004-09-07 07:03:51 GMT)
> I have no doubts that somebody at Mandrake packaged it, then tried it out, just to find severe showstopper bugs.
So you have no sources, no prove for this statement? That's badmouthing at its worst.
> Of course, it's just speculation on my part
Exactly. And what a coincidence - your speculation hardens your previous claim. ;-)
> and they do try to include the latest KDE, sometimes even very late in their development process
Just compare http://qa.mandrakesoft.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/Mandrakelinux101#Schedule_estimation with http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/kde-3.3-release-plan.html: How should they have made a 10.1 originally planned for 20040815 with KDE 3.3 when KDE 3.3 was always planned to be released after this date?
37 • Has anybody try Mepis 2004.01 (by fm at 2004-09-07 07:12:39 GMT)
Well appearantly Mepis has a release called Simple Mepis 2004.01 but no one ever mentions it although it is clearly stated in dev-mailing list of Mepis. I downloaded yesterday myself and gona try it today.
38 • small live cd inovations (by Stan on 2004-09-07 07:24:52 GMT)
"Damn Small Linux creates all the innovative features and new ideas for small distros these days that everyone else follows"
I totaly disagree.
Not everyone just copies DSL.
I myself prefer AUSTRUMI as a mini live CD
Its 50mb also, but it boots to ram and autoejects leaving the CD drive free to play Mp3 and video cds/DVD. Can DSL do that? This is a new and inovative feature for a small live cd.
It has Mplayer with all latest codexes (DivX AC3 etc)
It has Abiword as word processor (slightly better than TED I think)
It even has GIMP (slightly beter than xpaint I think)
all under 50mb and running fine.
Plus its got a hdd install front end.
It has CD-r writing software, mp3 ripper and even Opera as web browser (slightly beter than Dillo I think)
Oh and its got kernel 2.6.7 and fvm95 as the desktop environment.
How the hell do they fit all this under 50mb when DSL only has such cut down spartan utilities?
Oh and the "myDSL" thing. Why? What the point? I wanted a mini live Cd so I can carry it in my wallet to acess any PC on the move and show off linux with everything usefull already on it. That "myDSL" is only vaguely usefull if its installed which I am not going to do.
And as for Feather. Its just DSL plus 14mb so it cant fit on a mini CD. So why bother? May as well go for the great distro SLAX instead. Slax is awsome and I back the sugestion it maybe gets some cash if at all posible. It really has pushed the bar higher for unbloated distributions. (just wish it has had a graphical installer)
I even prefer LUIT to DSL as its got beter software
Xforce. Abiword, GIMP etc.
So I disagree that DSL is the only mini live CD that is inovative. Sure its one of the first and for its own particular niche market its great.
But other small distros are just as inovative as well.
Try AUSTRUMI and see what I mean.
39 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-09-07 07:41:15 GMT)
Personally I think that at least 3.1.0 or 3.0.0 were worse.
As I said elsewhere, you have every right to disagree. But you will find it very hard to argue the fact (and I didn't want to repeat it again, but you don't seem to get it) that the maintainers of Knoppix and Slackware have both rejected KDE 3.3 on the grounds that it is buggy. Simple as that.
But of course, you are already convinced that the entire purpose of this issue of DistroWatch Weekly was to wipe the KDE off the surface of this planet, reduce their developers to tears and convert everybody to Fluxbox.
If that's the case, then I won't waste any more time arguing with you.
40 • RE: Donation (by fiksve at 2004-09-07 08:11:24 GMT)
> By the way, Debian will receive a donation as soon as they release stable x
41 • KDE 3.3.0 (by BenRoe on 2004-09-07 08:57:46 GMT)
I'd have to agree that KDE3.3 is pretty damn buggy. I use it every day, because in many ways it is still a major improvement, and it's too much effort to go back to 3.2.3 anyway.
But I've had many Kate crashes, kmail doesn't update the folder display when a mail arrives and doesn't display new mails in threaded folder views correctly, kpilot won't stay loaded when I logout and back in again, artsd crashes frequently after playing back wmvs with noatun. If I open several windows in Konqueror, the MacOS style menubar I use only displays the Location menu, all the other items dissappear. There still seems to be an occasional problem where some keyboard shortcuts don't get set if one of the new shortcuts you're setting is a conflict with another one.
Maybe some of these are packaging related (this is on Arch), but the package of 3.3 I used on SuSE 9.1 was far worse.
I'm not complaining, I think KDE is the best desktop out there, but you can't deny it's buggy as hell at present.
42 • kde 3.3 (by reddazz on 2004-09-07 09:31:31 GMT)
Ok, I have to admit it, yesterday I setup a new user on my Slack 10 machine and had problems with using antialiased fonts. I had to logout twice before the fonts worked as they were supposed to. Apart from that small problem I haven't had any bad experiences since I started using KDE 3.3.
Another thing, I believe that sometimes you have to delete your old /home/$USER/.kde folder when you make a new installation of KDE, so that the new installation doesn't clash or coz problems with settings from old KDE apps.
43 • KDE 3.3.0 (by Anonymous on 2004-09-07 09:52:02 GMT)
> but the package of 3.3 I used on SuSE 9.1 was far worse.
Interesting. I have no issues with SuSE 9.1 and their KDE 3.3.0 packages, and I thought all the talk about "the buggy KDE 3.3.0" were all more or less related to the incomplete Debian packages whose maintainer currently concentrate getting good (but now already outdated) KDE packages into Sarge.
44 • KDE 3.3.0 (by BenRoe on 2004-09-07 11:22:01 GMT)
>I have no issues with SuSE 9.1 and their KDE 3.3.0 packages,
I only used the first version that came out - possibly there have been updates since then, but I got fed up with SuSE and switched away.
There were a bunch of bug reports that seemed to come only from SuSE users - for example, the window list button on the kicker would lose applications over time. I did delete my .kde directory before logging into 3.3.0, but it didn't seem to help.
45 • RE: small live cd inovations (by Aussie on 2004-09-07 12:34:16 GMT)
>Its 50mb also, but it boots to ram and autoejects leaving the CD drive free to play Mp3 and video cds/DVD. Can DSL do that?
Well DUH!! It's a Knoppix variant so just use: toram
46 • boot to ram and play video? and fit in my wallet? (by Stan on 2004-09-07 13:17:22 GMT)
yeah but the point is its under 50mb so its very portable
Knoppix wont fit in my wallet!
You must have a bigger wallet than me
oh and even if DSL can be booted to ram it still cant play video like AUSTRUMI can, therfore I can safely say AUSTRUMI has a unique and inovative idea that DSL does not have which is the whole point of my post. I was just trying to point out that not all mini live Cds are following ideas from DSL. Some actualy have their own new ideas and inovations.
47 • Vidalinux (by Vic at 2004-09-07 15:07:30 GMT)
I think Vidalinux is a very great project and it deserves the donation. Unfortunately I have troubles accessing their homepage, does anyone have the same problems?
48 • DSL (by ke4nt on 2004-09-07 16:38:30 GMT)
I like Austrumi, it is a great mini-distro ..
Andrejs has done some nice work with it ..
If your computer is a pentium II, or faster, it performs nicely
He does recommend 96MB ram and a pentium or better.
DSL is geared to be a functional , useable desktop for
486's and small P5's with as little as 16MB ram.
The idea is to have as many "useable" apps for these types of computers as possible.
If you have more horsepower, than the myDSL extensions are a great way to customize your own unique distro .
You can add Gimp2.0, MPlayer, Xine, Firefox 0.9.3, Opera, and dozens and dozens more to your USBkey or MiniCD
( most MiniCD's being 185MB or more )
Easy tools are included to "roll your own" distro, with the apps you want included and ready to rock,
with icons and menus, and themes preset, and you can pick either a miniCD or USBkey to boot your custom creation..
Understandably, a Pentium 90 laptop with 16 or 32 MB ram just isn't going to run MPlayer, Openoffice, Play DVD's,
or benefit from any of these "less spartan" apps ..
Choice is GOOD .. DSL offers both .. That's innovative ..
49 • Re: mini distros (by T.Joe on 2004-09-07 16:53:39 GMT)
I was eager to try Austrumi, but it couldn't boot on either of my computers. Slax is nice, but you can't call anything that runs KDE lean.
50 • Debian KDE Packages (by joe on 2004-09-07 22:37:34 GMT)
I wonder if Debian's packaging of KDE really is causing problems. I have PCLOS p7a and SimplyMEPIS 2004 RC4 installed (both with KDE 3.2.3) and KWin and kicker and kdesktop crash right and left on MEPIS, but not in PCLOS.
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|• Issue 705 (2017-03-27): Minimal Linux Live, sharing control of the operating system, new KaOS features, Uplos32 provides 32-bit fork of PCLinuxOS|
|• Issue 704 (2017-03-20): ToarusOS 1.0.4, Linux Mint's security record, Debian starts Project Leader election, Ubuntu 12.04 reaches end-of-life|
|• Issue 703 (2017-03-13): SolydXK 201701, CloudReady, Solus announces new features, KDE Connect sends text messages from desktop, openSUSE's YaST module for Let's Encrypt|
|• Issue 702 (2017-03-06): Fatdog64 Linux, elementary OS bundled with new netbook, Haiku announces new features, security and the size of a distro's development team|
|• Issue 701 (2017-02-27): OBRevenge 2017.02, Mageia 6 delays, NetBSD reproducible builds, questions about swap space, trying to steam video on a Raspberry Pi|
|• Issue 700 (2017-02-20): RaspBSD, Debian replaces Icedove with Thunderbird, Fedora's licensing guidlines, tips for switching shells, finding battery charge, getting IP address and killing processes|
|• Issue 699 (2017-02-13): Clear Linux, GhostBSD network utility ported to FreeBSD, Ubuntu coming to Fairphone, elementary OS crowd funding an app store|
|• Issue 698 (2017-02-06): Solus 2017.01.01, comparing containers with portable applicatins, Tails dropping 32-bit support, Debian Stretch enters freeze|
|• Issue 697 (2017-01-30): Subgraph OS 2016.12.30, running Ubuntu on an Android phone, Arch Linux phasing out 32-bit support, Linux Mint testing updated LMDE media|
|• Issue 696 (2017-01-23): GoboLinux 016, remotely running desktop applications, Solus adopting Flatpak, KDE neon using Calamares, TrueOS tests OpenRC|
|• Issue 695 (2017-01-16): Zorin OS 12, Peppermint team fixes installer bug, Debian refreshes Jessie media, Ubuntu improves low graphics mode, Exciting things coming in 2017|
|• Issue 694 (2017-01-09): MX Linux 16, Fedora considers systemd security features, DragonFly BSD to support massive swap space, Ubuntu Touch roadmap, Puppy's newsletter, sudo's password prompt|
|• Issue 693 (2017-01-02): Comparing small distros, fig language, video driver comparsion, Debian+PIXEL, Wayland on FreeBSD|
|• Issue 692 (2016-12-19): Bodhi Linux 4.0.0, Cappsule containers, Calculate's new Utilities package, Solus and Ubuntu MATE build new application menu|
|• Issue 691 (2016-12-12): SalentOS 1.0, openSUSE improves YaST, Fedora considers slower release cycle, KDE neon gets LTS branch|
|• Issue 690 (2016-12-05): Fedora 25, Ubuntu adopts rolling HWE kernel, running Android apps on GNU/Linux, Haiku working toward EFI support|
|• Issue 689 (2016-11-28): openSUSE 42.2, Fedora's upgrade path, plans for Korora 25, transitioning from PC-BSD to TrueOS, Webconverger's reproducible builds|
|• Issue 688 (2016-11-21): Endless OS 3.0.5, KDE neon fixes security hole, FreeBSD's Quarterly Status Report, Rolling release trial #2 concludes|
|• Issue 687 (2016-11-14): NAS4Free 10.3.0.3, Fedora gains MP3 playback, budgie-remix becomes Ubuntu Budgie, Ubuntu flavours compared, Rolling release trial #2|
|• Issue 686 (2016-11-07): FreeBSD 11.0, rolling release trial #2, Debian announces supported architectures, Simplicity switching to antiX base, farewell to Mythbuntu|
|• Issue 685 (2016-10-31): elementary OS 0.4, SUSE gains ARM support, Mint improves language support, Dirty COW explained, Rolling release trial #2|
|• Issue 684 (2016-10-24): Ubuntu 16.10, Linux popularity in different markets, Fedora runs on Raspberry Pi, Ubuntu features live kernel patching|
|• Issue 683 (2016-10-17): Refracta 8.0, making packages for distributions, Alpine switches to LibreSSL, 386BSD website publishes classic code|
|• Issue 682 (2016-10-10): KDE neon 20160915, Android-x86 6.0, Fedora warns of update bug, HandyLinux drops English translation, LXQt benchmarks|
|• Issue 681 (2016-10-03): OpenBSD 6.0, DragonFly BSD to support LibreSSL in ports, systemd denial of service bug, upgraded Mintbox Mini|
|• Issue 680 (2016-09-26): Uruk GNU/Linux 1.0, blocking applications at the firewall, Lenovo controversy, Ubuntu running on the Nextcloud Box|
|• Issue 679 (2016-09-19): OpenMandriva 3.0, 32-bit vs 64-bit performance, openSUSE updates, KaOS unveils first run wizard|
|• Issue 678 (2016-09-12): Apricity 07.2016, Mageia adopts DNF, KDE neon to use Wayland, FreeBSD updates Linux compatibility, creating cron jobs|
|• Issue 677 (2016-09-05): Peppermint OS 7, Manjaro updates leadership, TrueOS becomes rolling release, organizing files, creating torrents|
|• Issue 676 (2016-08-29): Korora 24, Fedora 25 to use Wayland by default, Linux turns 25, PC-BSD becomes TrueOS, finding software licensing information|
|• Issue 675 (2016-08-22): Gentoo LiveDVD "Choice Edition", moreutils, Ubuntu improves terminal convergence, MATE packaged for Openindiana, FreeBSD improves video support|
|• Issue 674 (2016-08-15): Zenwalk Linux 8.0, Ubuntu phone follow-up, Lubuntu transitioning to LXQt, Steam running on FreeBSD|
|• Issue 673 (2016-08-03): noop linux and EasyNAS, Debian's GnuPG switch, Fedora "Flock", using "nice"|
|• Issue 672 (2016-08-01): Ubuntu Phone 15.04, Solus embraces rolling release model, interview with Jane Silber, FreeBSD Quarterly Report|
|• Issue 671 (2016-07-25): Slackware 14.2, Point Linux 3.2, OpenBSD disables usermount, KaOS releases significant changes, Fedora 22 reaches end of life.|
|• Issue 670 (2016-07-18): Linux Lite 3.0, Bodhi team plans 4.0.0, pfSense changes licensing, running software across distributions, Linux Mint upgrade path|
|• Issue 669 (2016-07-11): Linux Mint 18, proving a system is secure, LibreSSL in FreeBSD, Ubuntu plans phasing out 32-bit, pfSense status report|
|• Issue 668 (2016-07-04): Fedora 24, Linux Mint plans for 18.1, FreeBSD and DragonFly BSD improve their file systems, comparing Flatpak, Snap and AppImage|
|• Issue 667 (2016-06-27): GeckoLinux 421, Fedora supports Flatpak, Solus unveils new features, running GNU/Linux on tablets|
|• Issue 666 (2016-06-20): Comparing more live update methods, Ubuntu's snap packages, Antergos drops 32-bit media, GeckoLinux unveils Rolling edition, learning Linux resources|
|• Issue 665 (2016-06-13): BunsenLabs Linux Hydrogen, Fedora 24 delayed, NetBSD grows in size, Clonezilla questions|
|• Issue 664 (2016-06-06): Sabayon 16.05, Debian updates install media, the cost of free software, Qubes explains secure build process|
|• Issue 663 (2016-05-30): Comparing live update methods, Ubuntu MATE's progress, distros debate systemd change, DistroWatch turns 15|
|• Issue 662 (2016-05-23): Clonezilla Live, new Fedora community repository, DragonFlyBSD runs Wayland, a live edition of Slackware and kernel components|
|• Issue 661 (2016-05-16): FreeBSD 10.3, OpenMandriva adopts Clang, Debian adds ZFS packages, PCLinuxOS drops 32-bit and comparing CentOS with RHEL|
|• Issue 660 (2016-05-09): Ubuntu MATE 16.04, Mint's xapps, FreeBSD Quarterly Report, Debian updates 32-bit support, addressing GPL violations|
|• Issue 659 (2016-05-02): Ubuntu 16.04, compiling custom kernels, Cinnamon 3.0, Sabayon launches ARM build, Devuan ships Beta release|
|• Issue 658 (2016-04-25): Kali Linux 2016.1, elementary OS 0.3.2, Debian elects Project Leader, Fedora 24 feature preview, Nard reaches 1.0|
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