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1 • poll result and site popularity (by Emil on 2004-06-28 08:29:45 GMT) |
Well, I vote for Debian too.
And I admire Knoppix greatly ( I visited knoppix site much-much more often then I visit Debian's site).
You see, knoppix introduce me to desktop linux world. I installed several flavors of desktop linux on my quest for the one that fits me well, and it happens that all of my choice is Debian based.....
Currently I'm working on Debian/Sid (installed using kanotix, err.. this is where Debian purists send me flames :D)
Although I strongly feels that Debian is close to the best linux distro around, I've never feel the need to visit Debian's site to check for updates. If I want news, I go to Distrowatch :D, and if I want to check updates, I just fire up synaptic :D
I vist knoppix site more frequently to see if there's exciting new updates on the iso. I still use knoppix to work on other PCs where linux is not installed.
You see, Debian users do not feel the need to frequently visit Debian site. Debian users rarely excited with new iso releases.
2 • Stable Sarge? (by Thijs van Dien on 2004-06-28 08:33:02 GMT)
This feedback isn't based on this issue, but how long do we have to wait for Sarge to become stable? Weeks ago, it was in the 'Upcoming Releases', but from there I have never seen it again... I'm waiting for all that long! (Yes, I know there is a netinstaller, which is up to install a 'testing' installation, but unless that, my servers would like to run on a non-outdated 'stable'.
3 • DW page hits (by Random J. User on 2004-06-28 08:57:06 GMT)
Just a small reminder: some distributions (at first Debian, Gentoo, Mandrake, but now also others) have an open development process, which you track.
That means there are interesting news much more often than on, say, SuSE, where the only visible changes are the official releases.
This certainly influences results, though I couldn't guess how much. Separating the development releases from the main ones to avoid this seem a bit overkill; on the other hand, you could try and dedicate a single page to all those CURRENT trees, and not put them in their main distro page anymore.
Who knows what it would change?
Whatever you do, thanks for all your good work.
4 • International differences (by Anonymous on 2004-06-28 09:08:04 GMT)
A lof of the difference in the polls vs. the hits probably comes from the fact that Slashdot catches mainly U.S. readers while I perceive that distrowatch gets a larger sample of international readers. Suse and Mandrake are quite popular internationally while they still have a small penetration in the U.S.
5 • Slackware 10 International Support (by rapont on 2004-06-28 09:22:12 GMT)
One of the biggest problems i've found with Slackware 10 is that even with KDE International Support built in, I can't select English-GB as my language, only US is available.
I don't know if this means all non-US language support has been removed, but if so I think that's a *major* problem!
Apart from that it seems great :)
6 • Page Hit Ranking (by Honaby at 2004-06-28 09:54:02 GMT)
The page hit ranking here in DistroWatch cannot be compared to a "Favorite Linux Distro" mainly because (IMHO) a high ranking here doesn't automatically means that it is the most favorite. It can actually be anything from "The most popular", or "The most Active Distro (Active as in freqently updated, or a new version is always cooking... like Mandrake, Debian, Fedora, Knoppix, etc))", or "The most interesting (Like Yoper - I remember Yoper being at the top of the list last year for a several weeks!)"
Anyway, I hope you get my point... I'm sure Ladislav will agree with me... that the page hit ranking here doesn't mean that the Distro on top is the most "Favorite" distro of all.
7 • it's simple... (by spiritraveller on 2004-06-28 11:10:02 GMT)
People who frequent distrowatch are often looking for a new distribution or trying to pick their first one...
Those people are much more likely to click on Mandrake or Fedora.
The people who would bother to vote on Slashdot are people who would already have a chosen distribution that they will never switch from (Debian), and are thus far less likely to visit this site.
When was the last time you saw a story on Slashdot called "Which Linux distro is best for my Mom/Grandma?" The topic is no longer of interest to over there... they have moved on to other topics, like "http://bsd.slashdot.org/bsd/04/06/25/1640232.shtml?tid=122&tid=159&tid=185&tid=186&tid=190">Building your own FreeBSD-powered motorcycle."
8 • poll results (by jayhags on 2004-06-28 11:37:33 GMT)
There is the following quote from Slashdot's poll results page:
"This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls."
Also the possibility of non-linux users voting as well.
9 • GFS (by kmp on 2004-06-28 11:55:02 GMT)
Here is the source code (which is GPL) for GFS:
Also, the source RPMS for the supported product is available from Red Hat mirrors:
10 • Debian (by Devilotx at 2004-06-28 13:24:59 GMT)
I went with Knoppix installed to disk for a loooong time, but I could never get certain aspects to work right, perhaps from my own ignorance... I don't know... but I've moved to Mepis install to the hard drive, and that my friends, is the way to get debian on your disk, at least untill the anaconda for Debian gets finalized.
11 • Slashdot poll and DW page hit ranking (by Penguin on 2004-06-28 13:57:52 GMT)
Slashdot is - like its many advertisment say - for "geeks" and "nerds". It is natural that Debian and Gentoo get the most votes there, not to forget Slackware when they vote for their favorite distros.
If the same poll would have been on some regular business IT magazine, or on a a PC hobby magazine, Redhat, SUSE & Mandrake would pobably lead the vote. Also Knoppix, Linspire and Xandros would get more votes there (though sure many hobbiests and business users like also Debian and Slackware etc.).
I would guess that Distrowatch gets quite a wide variety of visitors, from business users to hobby users and to lots of total newbies who have no Linux experience at all. Though it has been often said that the Page Hit Ranking cannot be taken all too seriously, actually it may often give quite a reliable view of the general amount of interest towards various distros as a whole, I think.
12 • SUSE (by Lord-storm on 2004-06-28 15:11:31 GMT)
Well I would like to say YOU SUCK.. the only thing that is keeping suse as my desktop is the network works well with my ISP. US keyboard - pumps out B and XMMS has a AWFUL FONT THAT YOU CANT READ... Tried it and im over it... 1.5mbs of my 48x Liteon Drive SAD.... Mandrake gets 4.1 MB's.
13 • Polls (by Paul F. Pearson on 2004-06-28 15:22:55 GMT)
I think it's been said above - there's a big difference between a favorite distro and one which is found interesting. I'm a Slackware fan - started using LInux when Slackware had kernel 0.9plxx (it's been a *long* time since I downloaded all of those floppies!). Moveed to RedHat, then to Debian. Now, I'm back to Slackware - and it's my favorite. Becase I use it, I have Slackware's pages bookmarked and don't get there from DistroWatch.
However, I'm a "geek" and like to know what's out there. I find source-based ditros interesting, and I'm always looking for a good live-cd utility distro (like System Rescue). So, I'm skewing the PHR *away from* my favorite distro. Hmm....
14 • Hey. That's me. (by Joel Ebel at 2004-06-28 16:19:20 GMT)
Heh. That slashdot comment was mine. I can't believe it made it into a DWW, let alone that it was found on slashdot at all. It was not modded, not replied to, and way down on the second page of comments. Anyway, I was curious in hearing people's reasoning. I'm glad I got some responses, though I expected to get them on Slashdot rather than here. I'm a Slackware fan. I voted for it on the Slashdot poll. I'm surprised it didn't do better in that poll though. I thought a lot of geeks still preferred slack. Maybe they've mostly gone off to Gentoo and Debian. It might even be interesting if a simple poll was put up on distrowatch. Let it use the same rules as the slashdot poll, and just see how being on a different site affects the outcome. Could be interesting.
15 • ratings, votes, etc... (by Foo on 2004-06-28 16:35:35 GMT)
I think that Hit Ranking on Distro Watch tells You only how many people clicked on the name of the distro. And that's all. It has nothing to do with popularity or so on. Just as somebody told -- there are many Debian users, who probably visit DistroWatch very often, but don't click on the Debian name. On the other hand: sometimes the new distro appears, especially with a very "sexy" name, everybody want's to check what's this. But it has nothing to do with the distro popularity. 99% of this people that cliced on it wont install the distro at all!!!!!!
And one other thing: When I read news on DW, and I see a new interesting distro, I just go to their page, because there I can find much more informations about it (and probably more up2date). I think that this should also be counted. And obviously, when I click on the url that brings me directly to *.ISO file!!!! Because this is the best proove that I'm interested in the distro, because I spent my time to download it -- clicking on internal url does cost me nothing.
16 • Re: Slackware 10 International Support (by Ariszló at 2004-06-28 20:38:34 GMT)
You need kde-i18n-en_GB-3.2.3-noarch-1.tgz and koffice-i18n-en_GB-1.3.1-noarch-1.tgz, which you can find in the kdei (note the final i) directory. I don't have my Slackware CD's around but I guess that kdei is on the second CD. If it is not there, you can download the i18n packages from any up-to-date mirror, e.g.
Install the packages with KPackage or with the following command:
17 • Vidalinux (by FedUp Penguin on 2004-06-28 20:56:55 GMT)
Another great distro based on Gentoo.
Or rather, "it is Gentoo", with a very easy installer.
Also, it is very nice regardless, even if it had been Debian or RPM based. It has been developed with plenty of love.
And the official Gentoo forums?
Same story as for Navyn OS, or worse: somebody posted in "Gentoo Chat" and the thread was moved to: "Off the Wall"
But what happened to the developer, Carlito, was even worse: his thread was moved to: "Duplicate Threads"
Just out of very basic good manners that was *very wrong*, IMO.
What is wrong with the Gentoo Mods: are they jealous, are they afraid?
They are blind., that is the truth.
Gentoo is constantly moving downwards in the Hit Rankings (for what they matter)
They should be grateful that developers are making distros based on Gentoo.
Look at Debian: I don't believe today it would be so immensely popular had it not been for the countless distros based on it.
18 • Poll in distrowatch? (by EdCrypt at 2004-06-28 21:00:53 GMT)
Distrowatch could have a link in the main site to a 'favourite distro poll', or a link "vote this distro" in each distro page. Maybe a page whit the results of the pool and the page hits in the mouth side to side too.
[Sorry by the bad english, I'm brazilian]
19 • Poll in distrowatch? (by EdCrypt at 2004-06-28 21:04:09 GMT)
>Distrowatch could have a link in the main site to a 'favourite distro poll', or a link "vote this distro" in each
Distrowatch could have a link in the home page to a 'favourite distro poll', or a link "vote this distro" in each
20 • No subject (by JoeLinux at 2004-06-29 06:14:00 GMT)
FedUp Penguin while it is true that the number of spawns of Debian e.g. Knoppix, Kanotix, Mepis, Morphix, Overclockix, etc have helped Debian shoot upward in the Distro popularity charts, this reason alone cannot explain the phenomenon in full.
Rather if one is to examine the profile of your typical Debian user, they are folks who are a combination of a militant Free Software crusader; people who see the need for a strong Not-for-profit volunteer based distro for the masses independent of big money interests and the problems such profit-oriented distros can from time to time find themselves in e.g. danger of going under as in the case up till but recently with Mandrake; and the ease of post-install security, packages even system updates, configuration and maintenance with a few simple commands or for those who prefer GUI packaging tools e.g. Synaptic - a few point and click actions.
I'm not a geek by any standard of measure but really your typical Joe Average who has very simple needs i.e. 1.) Effortless post install system maitenance and administration 2.) Bleeding edge apps but complemented by 1st class security 3.) technically competent and proactive user community for any support I may need.
I do also play around with Slackware quite a bit because the 3rd party packaging tools like swaret and slapt-get are more or less nearly as user friendly as Debian APT. As is evident, I tend to go for distros that affords the familiar feel of Debian, distros like Slackware, Crux and very soon Gentoo.
21 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-06-29 09:29:34 GMT)
"Gentoo is constantly moving downwards in the Hit Rankings (for what they matter)"
I think the fact that Mandrake is #1 shows that the ranking of a distro means absolutely nothing. Distro's seem to move up when news about them hits... What does that have to do w/ the quality of a distro?
22 • Re: No subject (by Ariszló at 2004-06-29 11:48:14 GMT)
"I think the fact that Mandrake is #1 shows that the ranking of a distro means absolutely nothing."
Are you from America? Mandrake is quite popular in Europe.
23 • No subject (by spiritraveller on 2004-06-29 15:46:20 GMT)
And for a while, even in America, Mandrake was THE distro for new users. I don't think any other distro has had that kind of PR success. Whether or not it's deserved is another matter.
24 • @JoeLinux (by FedUp Penguin on 2004-06-29 19:57:41 GMT)
I didn't mean for a moment that because Debian has so many "modified distros" is worth any less, on the contrary: that proves how good it is.
Otherwise I agree with you almost entirely.
25 • poll and page hits (by Saicho at 2004-07-02 22:07:57 GMT)
I have fast food pretty frequently but it doesn't mean fast food is my favorite food. I have them because it's cheap and fast... I check out different kind of distros on DistroWatch all the time and none of them is my favorite... I have MEPIS webpage saved in my Favorties! if it's a distro I like,not to mention my favorite one, why would I come to DistroWatch to be linked to its website?
26 • Slashdot Poll (by Chastiser on 2004-07-05 02:19:23 GMT)
There was also a Gentoo zealot that posted links to all of the other distro ML and fora that linked to the gentoo voting page, So lot's of Mandrake, Fedora, Debian, etc all unwittingly voted for Gentoo. The results of the Slashdot poll are meaningless, just like every other Internet poll. Interesting, but meaningless.
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