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1 • Weekly (by Robert A Eiser at 2004-06-14 13:08:09 GMT) |
Xandros OCE works great! I was able to find a compatible deb for k3b (11.9) on a website with Xandros tips: http://www.desktop-linux.net/ . Also, thanks to Ladislav for the Novell link! My software is on the way. Bob Eiser
2 • XandrOS (by CJ on 2004-06-14 13:24:27 GMT)
I was really looking forward to checking out the OCE of XandrOS. I might have even considered buying it, but it just plain doesn't work. At boot, I was given all the options (safe video, configure, and normal) and all but the safe mode gave me a blank screen. Safe ask for a root password, but the password I made for administrator would not work. To top it all off, they didn't really seem to care to want to help me on thier forums.
Thanx XandrOS, you lost a potential customer. Call me when you get a free release that actually works that you guys are actually willing to help users out with.
3 • Xandros 2.0 Business Edtion Has no firewallings and Geforce FX Series drivers (by Kenneth at 2004-06-14 13:43:50 GMT)
I could not install GuardDog, Firestarter, Shorewall and others becuase Xandros 2.0 and Desktop eluxe Business Edition have no firewallings and did not support Video Card: MSI Geforce FX series drivers.
I was too tired of installing and configuring firewall programs
Xandros did not add several Source URLs
If xandros doesn't update, I will switch Xandros to Knoppix.
4 • error in Tips and tricks: multiple distros HOWTO? (by Mario Ballario at 2004-06-14 14:23:11 GMT)
Later you'll decide to install Fedora Core in /dev/hda6, which will mean that you will add another two lines to your Debian's /etc/lilo.conf:
other=/dev/hda9 -----> maybe I'm wrong but this should be changed to other=/dev/hda6, right?
Don't forget to execute 'lilo' after any change you make to /etc/lilo.conf.
5 • RE: error in Tips and tricks: multiple distros HOWTO? (by ladislav at 2004-06-14 14:27:46 GMT)
maybe I'm wrong but this should be changed to other=/dev/hda6, right?
Right, thank you for your correction. This proves that there are people who actually pay attention :-)
6 • Multiple distros (or multiple operating systems) (by Sergio on 2004-06-14 15:29:09 GMT)
I have a suggestion which costs some money, but it is money very well spent., IMHO: use a commercial boot manager, like Acronis OS Selector or BootIt NG: they'll boot virtually every OS which runs on a PC and they are very easy to use.
The latter is especially good: you can download it and try it for free and it is much more than a boot manager: it is a partitioner, it backs up partitions or your HD, you can edit the MBR...
7 • Multiple distros (or multiple operating systems) (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-06-14 15:44:57 GMT)
I wrote about a 12 page article on using GRUB, and I found it does pretty much everything. of course, multiple instances of Windows is an issue, because windows automatically assigns drive letters in the order it sees drives, but GRUB can hide and unhide partitions as well as a number of other really cool, really advanced things.
there's one thing I always seem to have trouble with, and that's FreeDOS. it doesn't seem to matter what you do with partitions, FreeDOS doesn't seem to like running with anything else. (maybe they've fixed it in recent versions.)
8 • RE: Benjamin Vander Jagt (by Sergio on 2004-06-14 16:53:57 GMT)
Hello Mr Vander Jagt
Of course I have no doubts that GRUB does everything, only the learning curve is a bit steeper than using a commercial boot manager :)
9 • Tips and tricks: multiple distros HOWTO: SUSE 9.1 FTP install (by David Howard at 2004-06-14 17:05:49 GMT)
Tips and tricks: multiple distros HOWTO
3. "Even the simplest installers ... will give you an opportunity to specify where to install the distribution"
4. "Keep the same swap partition"
I'm not sure whether this is common experience, but a recent FTP install of SUSE 9.1 refused to use the intermediate (7th out of 8) formatted partition I allotted it, and insisted on using the last partition on the disk, which it created from the unpartitioned space on the end of the HDD. It similarly refused to recognize my /dev/hda2 swap partition, and created its own. So now /dev/hda9 is (SUSE only) swap, and /dev/hda10 is SUSE. /dev/hda7 remains unused.
10 • extended partitions (by A.N. on 2004-06-14 17:19:01 GMT)
Keep in mind that you can't use the DOS extended partition, I guess part7 in your case.
The swap could be an old format, although unlikely (those were max 128 Mb).
I don't see why you would install so many bootloaders, except if the installer really wants to install one. I just have one small boot partition with my kernel and Grub and simply add the new distro to the Grub config.
11 • RE: David Howard (by Sergio on 2004-06-14 18:37:07 GMT)
Yes, this of SuSe wanting its own way is a known issue (SuSe is my main OS).
The only way to overcome it is to use advanced install.
I hope they fix it in some future release, because it can be very annoying, especially for new users.
12 • Re:Multiple distros (Benjamin Vander Jagt) (by Soloact at 2004-06-14 18:37:30 GMT)
"I wrote about a 12 page article on using GRUB"
Could you please post the URL for your 12 page article on using GRUB?
I'm sure many of us linux novices would appreciate it much.
Thanks much and have a great today!
13 • Multiple Distros caveat if you include Lindows. (by Egon Spengler at 2004-06-14 19:02:12 GMT)
Lindows includes a wonderful piece of software by the name of jiffyboot, which resides in /sbin, which insists on overwriting ANY other bootloader with the lilo that Lindows uses, each time that you boot into Lindows. To avoid having to chroot your way out each time you run Lindows and then something else, kill the offending piece of excrement with a chmod a-x /sbin/jiffyboot. Otherwise, you will see your carefully crafted lilo.conf overwritten time and again. Chroot ain't hard, but it IS a pain in the tuchus.
14 • Linspire is loosing money everyday (by Anonymous on 2004-06-14 19:14:41 GMT)
Linspire is loosing money everyday
It just make sense that they try to get some dividend from the product that actually sales a lot there way.
Linspire reminds me of Stormix another Gnu/Linux based company that spent way too much into ploy and advertising and marketing and not enough in its own product lines and finally met its demise. a bit much like Corel ( wich Linspire actually as at its base since Linspire is based of xandros wich is the remainder of Corel legacy. ) . BTW as a side note there is actually no company that use Debian as it base that as a good and long profitable track record , its actually quite the opposite , Debian as a long track record of company who failed to make it using it as its base.
I disagree with your sugestion that people should buy from another third party vendor as most likely Fedora and Mandrake whont get any money to produce more and support over a longer period of time there own distribution. You like a product from any group support them directly by contributing directly to them. Otherwise your just making money to someone who dont contribute beside sending you a copy of someone else works.
15 • boot loader (by sclebo05 at 2004-06-14 19:50:14 GMT)
Someone may be interested in trying Gag a bootloader that works well on a multiple OS system. it can be found at gag.sourceforge.net I install all my distros to put their bootloader on their root partition then add an entry for them on my MBR and Gag.
16 • About partitionning (by Wrawrat at 2004-06-14 20:45:30 GMT)
"If you intend to keep Windows on your system, remember that it must be installed on the first partition of the first hard disk (at least that's how it was with Windows 2000 and earlier versions, I am not sure about Windows XP)."
Not necessarily. To my experience, you can install Windows XP on any primary partition just like FreeBSD. However, you also have to set the Bootable flag to it or it won't load for some reason or another.
My desktop PC is dual-booting WinXP and Gentoo Linux with /dev/hda1 as /boot, /dev/hda2 as swap, /dev/hda3 as the Windows XP system partition and /dev/hda5 and beyond as my Linux partitions. The boot flag is on /dev/hda3 but GRUB is installed on the MBR so it automatically load it instead of NTLDR.
17 • Multiple Distros and boot loader (by Knut Jarl at 2004-06-14 21:37:09 GMT)
I have used RPM - Ranish Partition Manager both for partitioning and booting with the option of 31 primary partition; and it all go down on a diskette!
18 • RE: error in Tips and tricks: multiple distros HOWTO? (by Gary on 2004-06-14 21:56:57 GMT)
In step 5 I think you got your home and swap partitions mixed up. The /mnt/home should be /dev/hda2 not /dev/hda3.
19 • RE: error in Tips and tricks: multiple distros HOWTO? (by ladislav at 2004-06-14 22:11:24 GMT)
Fixed, thank you.
20 • X.org in Mandrakelinux (by jkeller on 2004-06-14 22:19:01 GMT)
Since it was covered for Slackware and Fedora, I thought it'd be worth mentioning that Mandrakelinux is officially converting to the X.org X Windows server.
See this cvs entry for details (search on "xorg").
Old news, but still interesting.
21 • More multi-boot hints and tips (by Andrew Yeomans at 2004-06-15 11:23:33 GMT)
1. MBR boot code - ms-sys can be used to reset the initial MBR boot loader. I've had problems with factory-shipped loaders which didn't want to use LBA addressing so would not boot beyond the first Gigabyte or two. It's on the System Rescue CD. Currently using the public domain MBR from syslinux.
2. Lindows (and presumably Linspire) - the partition selection option was broken when large numbers of partitions were present. The tens digit gets lost, but is used for sorting into order 1, 10, 11, 12, ...,19, 2, 20 appearing as 1, 0, 1, 2, ..., 9, 2, 0, - confusing! I zapped jiffyboot by renaming /etc/rc.S/S37runlilo to xS37runlilo. I still have a problem with it auto-detecting other partitions then hanging whilst trying to e2fsck them, worked round by adding a lilo.conf entry with "vga=normal" to force text bootup and using Ctrl/D after the e2fsck problem.
3. Java Desktop System (beta) - set its partition to be the bootable one. Not helpful when this was an extended partition! Easy to fix running fdisk from CD. This distro also fails to turn off on shutdown.
4. Lycoris - also sets its extended partition to be bootable despite being told not to. I failed to get this to work at all on my new system (displays scrolling garbage), but did work on older hardware. Maybe the recent update is better, but I've given up.
5. Fedora Core 1/2, Red Hat, Enterprise Linux WS, SUSE 9, Xandros, Mandrake, Knoppix HD - no problems apart from them starting uid and gid from different values (500, 501, 1000, 1001, 1002)
It would be interesting to benchmark startup times, general performance, shutdown on same hardware. Maybe later!
22 • SUSE 9.1 FTP install (by Jens Kruuse at 2004-06-15 13:07:18 GMT)
I experienced the same thing with the partitions but stumbled across a workaround. (Caveat: Going by memory here!) I opened the partition manager, fooled around a bit in there selecting mount points and filesystem for the various partitions. I only selected to format the intended root partition - I didn't select a mount point. I returned to the general installation and was suddenly able to select the correct intended partition. I don't know why, but it suited my purpose.
23 • alright, but lemme scrounge the newsletter up, first (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-06-15 15:18:52 GMT)
it's actually from a printed newsletter, which I personally love, 'cause it helps to be able to read instructions while your main computer is down. I also got an email asking for the newsletter article, so I guess I oughtta put it online. (can't do it from here.)
I'll get all appropriate articles and put 'em on my website. (I'm working on a support base for my customers anyway, so maybe I could toss stuff in there.) also, if anyone wants to help populate my forums and write up tech help there, it would be appreciated. (I'm hoping to have better forums than most that you see online by organizing them. in fact, I wanna see if I can get more levels in phpBB2. I want to organize it like crazy so that no question is answered twice and so that answers are really easy to find.)
if I forget, please email me to remind me. I'm busy and scatterbrained! ^_^
and Sergio, I'm sorry I haven't gotten around to a review. I really have been trying hard, but it's very difficult when Fedora discs 2 and 3 have an issue burning
( https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=123590 ) and Mandrake just keeps screwing up. (I scratched some notes on my forums.)
so far, in short, Mandrunk and Fedora are just horrible, this newest SuSE is great. it does have bugs with Mozilla, though, and that keeps crashing. overall, though, I'd say I've found it to be more stable and reliable than 9.0. the more I use it, the more little things I see that make it more reliable, such as things installed into their proper locations.
(I didn't like the fact that ATi gives no driver support for XFree86 4.4, and SuSE uses the last GPL-compatible release candidate of XFree86 4.4, so I grabbed some Slackware 9.1 packages, untarred 4.3 in (ran /install/doinst.sh after packages that had it), skipped installing the fonts, and was up and running flawlessly with ATi drivers. got Kaffeine to play DVD's but building libdvdcss, then xine-lib, then the newest Kaffeine. surely works better than any Windows DVD player I've ever used. other than Mozilla dying over and over, I've been really impressed with SuSE 9.1. for more of the details, refer to my forums.)
24 • x.org (by EEDOK at 2004-06-15 17:44:48 GMT)
since all these distros are adopting xorg, shouldn't it be a tracked package on distrowatch?
25 • Multiple OS's (by JimK on 2004-06-15 22:15:44 GMT)
Great advice on multiple OS's. Would you be willing to post it on the new grokdoc site? And maybe Benjamin Vander Jagt would be willing to post his GRUB howto there as well.
For those of you who don't know, grokdoc is a new site created by groklaw's pamela jones to provide comprehensive linux documnetation.
26 • MS ads (by Anonymous on 2004-06-16 06:32:39 GMT)
Your fear of MS advertising is really sad.
27 • multiple operating systems (by David Tomlinson at 2004-06-16 14:27:16 GMT)
Another way to boot multiple OS is to install your secondary bootloader
to a floppy disk. Install lilo (or perhaps grub-never tried it for multi-booting)
on a floppy at the point when your install asks where to install to; select
floppy. Also, if qtparted or cfdisk isn't handy try an old Mandrake 7.1 disk.
Not fancy, but it works.
28 • I'm taken by surprise (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-06-16 15:11:36 GMT)
alright, I dug up the old newsletter and found the article. it's Red Hat 8.0 centered, and it's a bit dated, but I can clean it up a bit, bring it up to date, and make it more of what you're looking for. (sorry to take so long. I work 80 hour workweeks.) plus, re-reading it, I find it to be incomplete for my tastes. plus, the majority of it is education for those who don't know what /dev/hda1 is, for instance.
I didn't really expect people to be interested, and I always figured everyone used GRUB. it really is nice to use. the main difference between GRUB and LILO is that GRUB keeps its configuration on a partition instead of in the MBR. GRUB also gives a command prompt if you need so that you can do something special if you need, though it also has password protected menus if you want.
what I would recommend is (on a test system if you're nervous) grabbing a copy of GRUB 0.94, compile, make, and install it, then run "grub-install /dev/hda". that will install GRUB into the MBR, and GRUB will then look for the configuration file /boot/grub/menu.lst. (I never make a /boot partition, myself.) a standard menu.lst will look something like this:
title Slackware Linux
root (hd0,0) //this would be your /dev/hda1
kernel /boot/vmlinuz ro root=/dev/hda1 noinitrd telinit 4 //ro stands for read-only. I usually add the "telinit 4" just to tell it to boot into graphical mode and so people know what the "4" is
title Windows XP
unhide /dev/hda2 //just in case we hid it before
chainloader +1 //passes control to a bootloader on another partition
title MS-DOS 6.22
hide /dev/hda2 //that way, MS-DOS sees //dev/hda3 as drive C
you can also set commands like default, timeout, colors, splash screen, password, and so forth. the easiest way to find out about all this stuff is to download, configure, make, and install GRUB, then to run the command "grub". this takes you to the command shell that you normally get if you press "c" in the GRUB bootup menu. from there, you can type "help" or follow "help" with a command, like "help hide".
it's really quite nice! you can even make partitions your drive inside of GRUB! you can make menus that perform pretty much any of the following commands:
chainloader [--force] FILE
color NORMAL [HIGHLIGHT]
device DRIVE DEVICEdisplayapm
geometry DRIVE [CYLINDER HEAD SECTOR [
help [--all] [PATTERN ...]
initrd FILE [ARG ...]
kernel [--no-mem-option] [--type=TYPE]
map TO_DRIVE FROM_DRIVE
module FILE [ARG ...]
modulenounzip FILE [ARG ...]
partnew PART TYPE START LEN
parttype PART TYPE
root [DEVICE [HDBIAS]]
rootnoverify [DEVICE [HDBIAS]]
serial [--unit=UNIT] [--port=PORT] [--
setkey [TO_KEY FROM_KEY]
setup [--prefix=DIR] [--stage2=STAGE2_
terminal [--dumb] [--no-echo] [--no-ed
terminfo [--name=NAME --cursor-address
there's more, too. that's just what comes up when you do "help" inside of the GRUB terminal. the only thing that ever trips me up is misplacing menu.lst. it's good to copy down your LILO config so that, if you end up just getting a GRUB command prompt, you can type directly the GRUB equivalents and still get into your system.
(I wonder if there's a length limit to posting here. hmm)
29 • Freedos sharing (by Anonymous on 2004-06-16 17:39:50 GMT)
I've found freedos can be made to play nice by installing it on a primary fat partition and then using smart boot manager. Install SBM to a spare MBR or somewhere and set it to boot that partition after 0s (you may need to rescan partitions first). Then get lilo or whatever to load the SBM MBR. Freedos will still look on the first partition, if that's a problem just put a fdauto.bat on that partition redirecting to D:fdauto.bat or whatever.
30 • RE: Benjamin Vander Jagt (by Sergio on 2004-06-16 20:26:16 GMT)
Not to worry about the review. You have said a lot in a few sentences anyway :)
I tend to agree with your opinion almost entirely.
I was finding a few SuSe 9.1 apps quite buggy at first, but then I reinstalled, I downloaded all the Yast updates, I upgraded Kde to 3.2.3 and now absolutely everything is working fine.
One issue that SuSe seems to have and which doesn't go away, IMHO, is the speed or lack thereof, when compared to other distros (mainly comparing with Debian which is my other favourite)
31 • Unthinkable (by Joe Linux at 2004-06-17 00:07:29 GMT)
Visit linuxsecurity.com, click on ANY headline, the second page will have an ad detailing how a MS Server is 11-22% less expensive to
operate............................with that in mind, read other headlines.
32 • SuSE 9.1 Personal & 9.0 Pro (by Paul Fadely at 2004-06-17 00:14:38 GMT)
Why are these distros so slowwwwww?
They both take a long time to boot on both my IBM 450MHz &
my Dell 2.8 Gig machines. I won't put either one on my
laptops. In addition to booting slow they both take a while to
I like the OS otherwise, just don't like the snails pace they run at.
Does anybody know any tips to get SuSE up and runing faster?
33 • BitTorrent downloads (by quantumpenguin at 2004-06-17 01:33:31 GMT)
BItTorrent might be a good concept but it really sucks in the real world.
34 • SuSE 9.1 speed (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-06-17 06:51:49 GMT)
back in SuSE 9.0, I had always loaded up systems with everything I could install. then I got my hands on 6 old Compaq Deskpro P2-350 128MB 4.3GB Matrox G200+ systems, and I did a default install (plus just one or two programs), and it was actually pleasantly fast.
I think it's something in the servers, but I'm just not sure. I also loaded some of those systems with lots of software, including amusements, multimedia, graphics, and stuff, and it didn't seem to affect it at all, but when I did my "install almost everything" installation, it went waaay slow, even though the hard drive was upgraded to a 7200 RPM 250GB.
just my experience
35 • BitTorrent downloads (by baud123 on 2004-06-18 09:52:29 GMT)
quantumpenguin : find azureus => it will change your point of view on BitTorrent ;-) (like it did from me, boosting downloads from 2-8 kb/s to 40-60 kb/s)
36 • BitTorrents downloads (by quantumpenguin at 2004-06-18 12:19:19 GMT)
after installing Azureus it does seem to be a much better program better interface,more info and faster, thanks for the tip baud123
37 • SuSE 9.1 speed (by archish at 2004-06-19 18:43:39 GMT)
I agree that the modern distros seems to be slow and it becomes a pain sometime. I recently upgaded to suse 9.1 and it seems slower than suse 9 on my old celeron 333 mhz 128 mb ram with 20 gigs hdd. I found slackware somewhat the fastest distro but still i cant understand why they are slow.
Althought not in the topic win xp runs smooth and fast than the linux distros. I think the distros are not that much optimised to run on old computers like mine or maybe something else. I really like linux but the slowness makes me frustrated.
38 • re: SuSE 9.1 speed (by P. Pearson on 2004-06-20 22:57:52 GMT)
You say "I think the distros are not that much optimised to run on old computers like mine" - well, perhaps you could try one of the "small" distros like Vector (Slackware based) or a source based distro like Gentoo? I'm a Slackware user myself, so I have no experience with either solution.
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|• Issue 644 (2016-01-18): Kwort 4.3, Sabayon tests ARM images, Slackware adopts PulseAudio, running Linux without GNU software|
|• Issue 643 (2016-01-11): Solus 1.0, Mint provide upgrade path to 17.3, Fedora developers work on stability, running the LXQt desktop|
|• Issue 642 (2016-01-04): paldo GNU/Linux, vetting distro repositories, Fedora plans to adopt GCC 6, Ian Murdock passes|
|• Issue 641 (2015-12-21): Arch Linux, Qubes OS to ship on Librem laptops, ALT offers start kit images, the spread of systemd and launchd|
|• Issue 640 (2015-12-14): Chakra GNU/Linux 2015.11, removing meta-data from files, Ubuntu to remove on-line dash searches|
|• Issue 639 (2015-12-07): OpenBSD 5.8, openSUSE gathers Summer of Code proposals, running WINE on a live disc, Enlightenment adds Wayland support|
|• Issue 638 (2015-11-30): Qubes OS 3.0, KaOS with Plasma, NetBSD 7.0, Fedora seeks Wayland testers, scheduling tasks|
|• Full list of all issues|