| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 46, 26 April 2004
Welcome to this year's 17th edition of DistroWatch Weekly. This is the week of Fedora Core 2 Test3, the third and last development version before the final release on 17 May 2004. Also, OpenBSD 3.5 will be officially released later this week, continuing in the fine tradition of early May releases of new versions.
The BSD distributions
Following the inclusion of BSD distributions on DistroWatch, your web site maintainer was spotted learning about that other open source operating system - by installing and exploring FreeBSD. The result of this experience was a very pleasant surprise - not only is FreeBSD a very capable operating system as a server (just check the longest uptime statistics at Netcraft), it is surprisingly good as a desktop too.
Up until last week I knew precious little about the various BSD distributions. Part of my reluctance to explore them came from a quote by Daniel Robbins, the creator and Chief Architect of Gentoo Linux, and a person who knows both Linux and FreeBSD intimately. In one of the articles describing the birth of Gentoo, Daniel has this to say about FreeBSD:
"FreeBSD was a peaceful home, but a little too boring, too staid. Linux is where the action was, where major progress was being made. There's no doubt that if you're looking for excitement and innovation, Linux is the place to be."
Perhaps it was the above quote that contributed towards my original skepticism about FreeBSD as a desktop OS. However, did you know that NVIDIA makes accelerated graphics drivers for FreeBSD? And did you know that Opera Software develops a FreeBSD edition of the Opera browser? Until last week I did not, and these new discoveries have substantially changed my views about FreeBSD (in fact, I bought the FreeBSD edition of Opera, just to contribute a little towards the browser's future development). I also invested in two BSD books - The Complete FreeBSD by Greg Lehey and Absolute OpenBSD by Michael W Lucas. They both provide a fascinating insight into the world of BSD distributions and I found it really hard to put them down. Every day I couldn't wait to finish my day's work so that I can reboot into the newly created FreeBSD partition (er, I mean slice) and start investigating this great OS. Yes, with the absence of any configuration utilities in FreeBSD, it takes a while to set things up the way you want them, but in the end, the effort is certainly worth it. I can easily see myself using FreeBSD as my main desktop system.
If you are comfortable with the command line and with editing files in vi, then you ought to give yourself a chance to explore the BSD world - if for no other reason than to get some exposure to the BSD way of thinking. And just to whet your appetite a little further, DistroWatch will publish a new review of FreeBSD 5.2.1 tomorrow. Written by Robert Storey and reviewed by the aforementioned Greg Lehey, it will be a treat to all FreeBSD enthusiasts, as well as an interesting lesson for Linux users. Don't forget to visit DistroWatch tomorrow (Tuesday) to read it!
Tips and tricks: faster downloads from ibiblio.org
Many of us who frequently download various distributions from the Internet know that Ibiblio.org is probably the world's most complete repository of Linux distributions. The unfortunate side effect of this popularity is the fact that download speeds from Ibiblio servers are less than spectacular, especially during peak hours. Is there anything you can do about it? Yes, instead of downloading via FTP, use rsync; you will be truly surprised at how much faster you can get the same ISO image! Using rsync is very simple:
rsync -P -v ftp.ibiblio.org::distros/$distribution/$isoname.iso .
rsync -P -v ftp.ibiblio.org::distros/munjoy/munjoylinux-0.5.3.iso .
Don't forget the trailing dot, which simply indicates that the download should go into the current directory (or specify a different directory). The -P switch is to resume a download of a partially downloaded file. To find out which distributions are available for download via rsync, run this command:
rsync is a great tool that can be used on any FTP server enabled for anonymous rsync. If you find that you cannot download a file because of restrictions of how many simultaneous connections to the FTP server are allowed, you can try rsync instead - you'll probably get the required file much faster that way!
|Released Last Week
A new major version of Yoper has been released: "A little over a year after the release of Yoper, I am happy to announce Version2 in form of a prerelease tagged 20040420. The OS is however ready as a final and as such do consider it 'final' since any additional changes will be delivered via apt. Changes: Yoper is now RPM-based. An apt repository is the main way to update and install packages. The installer allows 2 choices: minimal and YKde. GNOME 2.6 has also been included and the latest KDE 3.2.2. All other software packages have been updated. The kernel 2.4.25 has been included, the whole OS is prepared for 2.6 kernel and the latest Con Kolivas performance patches have been integrated. Hardware recognition is improved and ALSA drivers are now the default sound drivers." Here is the rest of the announcement.
A new version of the Mandows live CD is available. Mandows 1.6 is now based on Mandrakelinux 10.0 + bug fixes, with KDE 3.2, GIMP 2.0.0, KOffice 1.3 (replacing OpenOffice.org), Captive NTFS (NTFS read and write support), Linux kernel 2.4.25 (kernel 2.6 still not quite stable enough) and Eagle USB 1.9.6. Besides French, English is now also supported. Mandows 1.6 is currently only available via BitTorrent (file size 590MB), but will be released for download from FTP servers later this week. More information in this announcement (in French).
Puppy Linux 0.8.5
A new version of the Puppy Linux 0.8.5 is out. Excerpts from the release notes: "Puppy now has X11-Basic, a surprisingly powerful yet simple and compact programming environment. Puppy now has mp v3.3.0 console text editor, the latest. There is now a script, 'Install Puppy hard drive', in the Utilities menu. The Puppy drive mount/unmount script has been improved. USB keyboard and USB mouse should now work. Ethernet/network Wizard has been improved; it should be better when used with two network cards. There is now ssh-gui, a secure telnet program. MToolsFM is a file manager, in the 'File Managers' menu. MToolsFM is a GUI frontend for MTools, and has now been expanded to access floppy, Zip, USB and vfat/msdos hard drives, all without needing to mount (or unmount them)...."
ClarkConnect Broadband Getaway version 2.2 has been released: "The version 2.2 Home and Office Editions are now available! The Home Edition has moved to the community web site, the Professional Edition will be released April 22, the non-commercial Professional Edition (it was called Firewall/VPN during the beta) will be released April 22 on the community web site." Find out more about the products on ClarkConnect.com and ClarkConnect.org.
A new dyne:bolic release is out: "Time for juicy spring updates and bugfixes: version 1.3 is out featuring a revamped Ogg/Vorbis streaming system, a fix to the nesting mechanism and important updates to audio and video software. Don't forget to copy the dyne/ directory from the new CD to upgrade your system in case you docked the previous version! Here is the release announcement."
PLD Live CD 0.90
PLD Live CD is a live CD based on PLD Linux Distribution. The recently released version 0.90 is probably the first live CD with the new GNOME 2.6.0 as its default desktop, although those who enjoy trying out different desktop environments will be pleased to find KDE 3.2.1, XFce4, IceWM, Fluxbox, TWM and WindowMaker as options during login. To login, type either "user" or "root" into the GDM login dialog. While the distribution's web site is in Polish only, the live CD itself defaults to English. PLD Live CD is a welcome relief from the string of Knoppix-based live CDs that have hit the distribution scene in recent months, and as such, it is worth the download. If you can read Polish, the distribution's home page list some of the major changes in version 0.90.
The Inside Security Rescue Toolkit project has released INSERT 1.2.8. From the changelog: "v1.2.8 (the birthday release). Ettercap and fwlogwatch were added; support for mounting SMB filesystems was added (smbmount); now it is possible to mount MS Windows or Samba shares; the French and Swiss keyboard layouts were added and should work; huh, just noticed that we don't have a telnet client - now we have one; the rootkit hunter was updated and should finally work; clamav was updated and now also detects MS Office VBA macro viruses; the ntfsutils were updated; the virus database for clamav was updated to the latest version."
A new version of LinuxConsole, an easy-to-use Mandrake-based live CD, has been announced and released: "LinuxConsole 0.4 is available in 'final' release. Previous release were only for games and multimedia, but other kinds of applications have been included: tools to create documents (OpenOffice.org, latex, LyX); servers (Samba, Postfix, PHP, MYSQL, DHCP, bootp, OpenSSH, ProFTPd, OpenLDAP); firewall/VPN (iptables, fwbuilder, CPIE); music tools (rosegarden, beast, soundtracker, audacity, ...); tools for scanning, printing, ..." Read the full announcement on the distribution's home page. Besides the full ISO image, smaller specialist images for multimedia, games, firewalls and other purposes are also available.
A new version of the KANOTIX live CD has been released: "KANOTIX 'Bug Hunter' 05/2004 released. Specification: kernel 2.4.26 with MPPE(VPN), S-ATA and other patches; SMP support; ACPI and DMA enabled by default; i586 optimisation; 128 MB RAM required, 256 MB RAM recommended; AVM Fritz!Card DSL support (PCI and USB); Fritz!Card CAPI support; Eagle USB DSL support; fixed: Speedtouch USB support (PPPoE/A); Updates: KDE 3.2.2, OpenOffice 1.1.1 (Debian release), ALSA 1.0.4; GRUB boot loader for CD start - ideal for rescue in command line mode; new: Memtest86+ - advanced memory diagnostic tool in the extra menu of the boot loader..." The full announcement in English and German.
The first "live" edition of the AGNULA/DeMuDI distribution is out: "AGNULA/DeMuDi 1.1.1, the Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution for audio/video, has been released. This release is the first Live CD-ROM delivered by the AGNULA team and will be presented and distributed at the Linux Audio Meeting 2004. It is based on the well-known Knoppix distribution, adapted and tuned for audio and multimedia work." Read the rest of the release announcement. AGNULA (A GNU/Linux Audio distribution) is a project previously funded by the European Commission, but it now continues as a volunteer effort aiming to spread Libre Software in the professional audio/video arena.
AGNULA/DeMuDi 1.1.1 - a heaven for multimedia enthusiasts
(full image size 501kB)
SUSE LINUX 9.1 LiveCD
It's official: SUSE LINUX 9.1 is now released and available in Germany, Austria and Switzerland. If you live elsewhere, you can get the first taste of the new SUSE by downloading the SUSE LiveCD (formerly known as SUSE Live-Eval) from one of the mirrors. According to this README file in the SUSE 9.1 directory, the full FTP edition of SUSE LINUX 9.1 will be available soon: "This tree contains the source RPM packages for the SUSE LINUX 9.1 distribution. The SUSE LINUX 9.1 FTP version is being worked on and will be published in a few days, in this directory." Finally, the German pages of SUSE LINUX 9.1 have been updated to include all the usual product details, as well as full package lists.
Development and unannounced releases
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
Fedora Core 2 Test3
The third and final test release of Fedora Core 2 (version 1.92) will be released later today. The ISO images are already up on the Fedora mirrors, but the 1.92 directory is still locked. The final release of Fedora Core 2 is scheduled for 17 May 2004. Update: According to this message, the release of Test3 has been delayed: "Fedora Core 2 Test 3 will be released on Tuesday, April 27. The schedule page will be updated in the near future."
Many, many people emailed and asked about the status of Knoppix, and about the expected release of Knoppix 3.4. Here is the answer, directly from the horse's mouth: "We still have a lot of things to work on and test before the official beta release. Most important changes from the CeBIT Edition 3.4: KDE 3.2.2; OpenOffice 1.1.1; new kernels (currentmost 2.4 and 2.6); new wireless drivers for Centrino, Prism2/3, Ateros, possibly more; lots of new usability features and gimmicks. This should be finished within a few days, but instead of giving a wrong date for a release and thus just raising expectations unnecessarily, I'm just quoting from the Knoppix website: 'It's ready when it's ready.' ;-)" Knoppix 3.4 will be worth the wait, no doubt!
Sun Java Desktop System 2
According to an article at eWEEK, version 2 of Sun Java Desktop System is expected to be released in early May: "Sun Microsystems Inc. will use the Desktop Linux Summit in San Diego to announce that the second version of its Java Desktop System will be generally available in the first week of May. Curtis Sasaki, Sun's vice president of desktop solutions, told eWEEK in an interview Wednesday, ahead of the summit, that among the key advances in version 2.0 are management capabilities that allow enterprises to fine-tune and remotely set up the desktop." The full story.
Traditionally, early May means a new release of OpenBSD and this year will be no exception. For details of what is new in version 3.5 please read the release notes and the changelog. According to some posts on the OpenBSD mailing lists, the official CD set is already shipping - get it from the OpenBSD store (US$40.00), otherwise you will have to wait until the official release of OpenBSD 3.5 to FTP servers and mirrors on 1 May 2004. Find more information on OpenBSD.org.
PCLinuxOS Preview 6
A much anticipated new version of Texstar's PCLinuxOS will be out shortly: "I'll be moving all the RPMs from updates and unstable into main this weekend. Then next week I will start building the new ISO and testing with an anticipated release date of May 1 2004." The above comes from this post on the distribution's mailing list.
Libranet GNU/Linux 3.0
Also under development is Libranet GNU/Linux 3.0; this is from a recent Libranet newsletter: "Libranet 3.0 is being built to include all that is good in 2.8.1 with the addition of an improved installer, support for more devices, new packages and more flexibility in configuring the system. Packages, desktop environments and the kernel will be updated and improvements made to the Libranet Adminmenu. We'll let you know when we have a better idea of the release date. Most likely beta testing will start in June."
Penguin Sleuth 2.0
A new version of Penguin Sleuth Bootable CD is under development. That's according to this announcement at the distribution's web site: "I am working on an new release. The only thing holding me back from completing it is that I am looking to use Knoppix 3.4 which will have the 2.6 Kernel and KDE 3.2 along with a few more goodies. Knoppix 3.4 has not been officially released yet so I am waiting for the official release and I will be releasing Penguin Sleuth 2.0 soon after so keep your eye out. Penguin Sleuth 2.0 will be updated and have even more tools if all works out well."
ELX Linux 4.0
The developers of ELX Linux have updated their web site with information about the release of ELX Linux 4.0: "ELX is about to unveil a new generation of Linux experience. With the maximum number of Linux products in its portfolio, ELX is all set to give users the complete power to migrate. The launch of BizDesktop 4.0 will be officially announced shortly. The current release of BizDesktop 4.0 is based on kernel 2.4.20." Read here for more information.
|Web Site News
Feedback: does DistroWatch layout scare you away?
Thank you all for your feedback about the site's layout and suggestions for possible improvements. It seems that most people are happy with the way things are, but there were a few suggestions worth considering. We might make a few cosmetic changes on the main page in the near future, although there will be no major makeover of the site. After all, the ever increasing number of visitors, now reaching 30,000 to 40,000 per day can't be wrong :-)
New on the waiting list
DistroWatch database summary
- Hiweed Linux. Hiweed Linux is a Chinese Linux distribution based on Debian GNU/Linux. Two editions are available: Hiweed Linux Desktop (a live CD) and Hiweed Linux Server.
- Number of Linux distributions in the database: 284
- Number of BSD distributions in the database: 4
- Number of discontinued distributions: 33
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 70
PHLAK still alive
Good news for fans of the PHLAK distribution; we are pleased to pass on this message by Shawn Hawkins: "Hello this is Goonsqad, co-developer of PHLAK. The project is not dead. Our web hosting service is a POS so we are working on getting a web server set up at Oregon State University. We are working on version 0.3 and hope to have it released in a couple of months. I just wanted you to know that the project is NOT dead... just a case of bad luck."
Inclusion of BSD distribution unfair
Although most visitors have welcomed the addition of BSD distributions to DistroWatch, not everybody is overjoyed by the decision. This is an email from PP: "I would like to express my opinion regarding the inclusion of BSD operating systems in your website. I think it is unfair and it redefines the competition between Linux distros by including them in a site meant exclusively for Linux-based operating systems. Though BSD and Linux use more or less the same packages, they behave and operate differently despite both having their roots in UNIX. The BSDs tend to be more or less a complete operating system by themselves, whereas Linux is just a kernel and distributions make it a platform suited for different purposes. So I think the inclusion not only unjustifies (sic) the name of your site, but also creates confusion among users. This is my humble opinion, I may be wrong too in some way but this is what I suggest."
The Lycoris and Desktop/LX name games
The distribution known as Lycoris will, from now on, be referred to as Desktop/LX on DistroWatch. This change comes as a result of a request by Rus from Lycoris: "Can you change the name of our OS from Lycoris to its proper name, Desktop/LX, please? On the front page (right column) we're listed as Lycoris, but the name of the OS is Desktop/LX - the name of the *company* is Lycoris. Sort of like Microsoft/Windows. You might want to set up the 'distribution name' on the page as just DLX, as I know the forward slash would wreak havoc with your linking system." So if you are looking for a Linux distribution by Lycoris, look under the letter "D".
That's all for this week, see you next Monday :-)
1 • PLD 0.90 Live CD (by jmrush on 2004-04-26 10:10:00 GMT) |
This week I've been playing with this newly released distro,and it's amazing.Shame for their developers that their website is in poland language.Kernel 2.6 and a complete KDE 3.2,Gnome 2.6 features.
Is there any way to know if it can be installed on HD or if they plan to release a full distro.
2 • PLD, Knoppix 3.4, other misc stuff (by CliffH at 2004-04-26 10:34:18 GMT)
I took your recommendation and downloaded PLD last week when it appeared on the page. Very nice indeed. It will take a bit of getting used to Gnome's new file manager but no big worries. Everything seemed to work the first time on all of my systems and, once more, everything ran very smoothly at a d**ned nice pace (PLD running faster then my hodge-podge install of Fedora Core 1 at the moment). They did an excellent job.
Knoppix 3.4. Good on him for sticking to his guns and getting something out the door that HE is happy with. If you're not happy with something, how can you expect anyone else to be. Also remember, he is doing this out of the goodness of his own heart. It's definately an itch I hope he continues scratching for a long time.
Name changes. Ok, let's see, we've had RedHat change to Fedora for freebies, Lindows to Linspire, Lycoris to Desktop/LX, and SuSE to , well, they haven't changed their name. :) Word to everyone (except Lind... spire, we know why you changed), changing your name AFTER you have establised a following does not make for very good user retension. RedHat had a golden opportunity to keep the brand, and change the label to something more representative of what they were doing, for example:
RHES = RedHat Enterprise Server
RHFE = RedHat Free Edition
Simple, no confusion, no taking an hour out of your day trying to explain why RedHat suddenly "left". Everyone readin this KNOWS they didn't leave, problem is, we're not trying to put this into eachother's networks, are we?
Ok, that's enough of my ranting for one night. Ladislav, you run a great site and please don't let anyone tell you differently. This is one of my daily stops (and the reason I nearly hit my bandwidth limit every month) and will be for as long as you keep it going. Thank you very much for the excellent resource.
3 • FBSD as a desktop (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-04-26 10:46:51 GMT)
funny thing, about 6 years ago, I saw FreeBSD and thought that it was going to be the wave of the future, destroying Windows in an unstoppable wave of free software. I think Linux is doing a lot more of that. ;-) however, when I finally tried an OS other than Windows, FreeBSD was my first attempt.
starting out with FreeBSD wasn't like jumping in the deep end of the pool. it was like jumping in the deep end with cement shoes. however, after I'd gotten to know Linux intimately, I went back for more FreeBSD. my sound never worked, and that resulted in much screaming and swearing, which proved I never really needed a sound card to make noise for me. (-: anywho, I got around everything else, and I had fun. I found very little that I could do in Linux that I couldn't do in FreeBSD. I even played a number of games with remarkable performance!
regarding the question of whether BSD inclusion is fair or not, the writer brings up the point of naming. true, Linux is just a kernel, and to compare it correctly, you'd have to compare it to "a BSD kernel". however, "Linux" has been very widely coined to mean the kernel and all software that runs on it; more of a way of thinking than a software package. so maybe it should be an argument of GNU versus Copywrong...
(*sobs* I just set up my Slackware-current server, ready with SSH and everything so that I could finish setting stuff up from the laptop in bed, and I drove almost an hour to get home, and I think it had a kernel panic. T_T but if anyone's interested, I think it's x.org's fault. don't get me wrong, I'm VERY impressed with their coding! I didn't have to configure anything at all, and it built with extremely few (if any) warnings. I'm impressed!)
4 • inclusion of FreeBSD et al on DistroWatch (by Martin on 2004-04-26 10:51:17 GMT)
I just wish to state that I am very happy that the DistroWatch site also includes information about FreeBSD and the like nowadays. Someone stated that they think it's 'unfair' that the BSDs now 'compete' with the Linux distro's listed on your site. IMNSHO it is better for all visitors of the DistroWatch site to also have an opportunity to learn about the BSDs. If Linux distrobutions end up not meeting their expectations, at least they'll know about one more set of alternatives to the OS-that-shall-not-be-named.
Oh yes, one more thing: DistroWatch is a site I just love, I hope you will keep on doing the 'good' works as you have done upto now.
5 • BSD welcome (by Sundar on 2004-04-26 11:25:21 GMT)
I welcome inclusion of bsds. Apart from Debian, all other Distro's don't care much about apps tuning with kernel and other dependencies. BSD*s do. Thats why they are slow in their release. That is why they are reliable Server operating system.
6 • layout and BSD (by Joe P on 2004-04-26 11:33:59 GMT)
I think the site layout is great for the incredible amount of information that is tracked and updated regularly. It's an amazing site and you do a great job presenting everything.
I am glad to see the BSD's included. I have been wondering if there is any life left in the SCO shakedown, if BSD's are an option.
Thanks for a great site!
7 • Did anyone notice Suse Live-Cd doesn't boot (by Jim Macdonald at 2004-04-26 12:04:58 GMT)
Did anyone notice that the Suse Live-Cd does not boot? I e-mailed a bunch of Suse e-mail links that I have found, but it seems as though no-one has said anything yet. Haven't heard anyone else mentioning it. All my other live cd's boot. This doesn't.
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8 • FBSD (by Danny W. Burdick at 2004-04-26 12:39:28 GMT)
Keep up the good work.....
I want it included
Likewise my first experience with open source operating systems
was wiith Freebsd..what an experience....
every linux person on earth should have a copy of that sweeeet
live freebsd cd.....sooooo nice...
tnx for being here
I currently use the mandrakes for my work...but still gotta a place
for FBSD in my heart...
9 • FreeBSD (by Luk van den Borne at 2004-04-26 12:41:24 GMT)
I use FreeBSD as my main server OS and I am very pleased with it. And I think it is fair to include it @ distrowatch. I think competition is always good and why exclude it from distrowatch just because it behaves differently? Don't all distro's and BSD's behave differently?
10 • RE: SUSE Live-CD (by SyntaxError at 2004-04-26 13:17:03 GMT)
I downloaded the LiveCD and it boots fine on my machine (Thinkpad A21m). Haven't have a chance to test it on other PCs yet. First impression: not as good as Knoppix or other LiveCD judging from its ability to autoload wireless driver and dhcp. Also USB mouse does not work. ALL of this base on the default booting. I am not aware of any options at boot prompt.
11 • inclusion of FreeBSD (by Tomislav Djokic at 2004-04-26 14:34:03 GMT)
May be it is better BSD distribution be in separate group? Easyer to find and everything. I am pro BSD inclusion any way.
12 • RE: SUSE Live-CD (by Edi on 2004-04-26 14:49:18 GMT)
It boots here too...
Only one problem, it can't see my AC97 soundcard, although Knoppix sees it.
Anyway, it's (much) faster than Knoppix on my machine, although not as many features as Knoppix.
dhcp & messenger work fine
13 • SUSE Live-CD troubles (by Ben Mullen at 2004-04-26 15:31:33 GMT)
I had to burn my SUSE live cd twice. I trashed it the first time when I used disk at once, but it worked fine the second time when I burned using track at once. Most likely a coincidence (or crappy CD-Rs), but I did get to try it. SUSE is still a top notch distro, but I've become to consumed by Fedora Core and Gnome to switch back.
14 • Suse LiveCD (by Sergio on 2004-04-26 15:33:48 GMT)
Working fine here too.
But I am disappointed with the look and feel of about everything.
Suse 9.0 looks more polished and professional, imho.
Does anybody else feel the same?
15 • Suse Live CD Fine (by Paul at 2004-04-26 16:36:07 GMT)
Live CD boots fine here. Can't wait till my upgrade gets here around May 8. Until then, the 9.1 Live CD works great. Overall speed is improved, but my sound does not work :-( but I feel once I have a version I can really configure, things will be fine.
16 • Inclusion of the BSDs (by Stan on 2004-04-26 17:22:12 GMT)
Once a 386BSD user and since then a Linux "hax0r", I have enjoyed a recent revisit of FreeBSD (didn't much care for the stone axe kernel config method, but the ports system is sweet) and so I applaud your decision to include the BSDs on your excellent site.
Speaking of FreeBSD, I was pleasantly surprised that the hardware (KM400 chipset) was recognized and working right off the bat, sound and all. And mplayer, which seems difficult to get exactly right on Fedora (I always seem to have some files it can't play), worked without a hitch on FreeBSD when compiled as a port.
If I could get the latest Eclipse / SWT working on BSD, I would consider moving to it as my desktop platform of choice. Getting away from the schizophrenia of the Linux distros at times seems like a good thing.
17 • Burning live CD several times (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-04-26 17:41:07 GMT)
I haven't yet, but I remember when I was testing Red Hat 8.0.94 Phoebe, I had to burn the second CD over and over and over until I got it to work. my MD5 sums were right, and I'd used about 200 CD's, burning various CD's the whole time, so it's not like there was a stack of bad CD's. it was just whenever I got to CD 2. and I wasn't the only one to have that problem, either. several people on the Phoebe mailing list had that problem.
wonder if that's happening again, and if so, why?? how??
18 • Freebsd / Freesbie (by Gommans at 2004-04-26 18:21:21 GMT)
I tried Freebsd about a month ago., after checking out the freesbie CD that I really loved.
FreeBSD has the same problem as Debian has: The installer from hell!
If the guys from Freesbie could get their CD do do a harddisk install this would really kick ass. Funny how a large community of devellopers comes with a really outdated installer, where a little italian club is capable of building such a great live-bsd-cd.
Come on guys from Freesbie, use the Mepis way and give us all FreeBSD!
Can't wait to get it!
Just my 2 cents
19 • OpenBSD (by shayne at 2004-04-26 19:36:33 GMT)
I'm personally looking VERY forward to OpenBSD 3.5. Anyone who has something against the BSD's is silly. I love the 2.6 kernel, and even 2.4 is cool, but BSD is and always has been solid and secure (often putting linux to shame.......especially OpenBSD).
I think by including the BSD's as a measuring stick, the Linux distro's will have to kick it up a notch.
20 • BSD inclusion (by Ezra at 2004-04-26 19:51:29 GMT)
I am very happy to see FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and other BSD related operating systems. I do not see how anyone could be concerned with "competition" between BSD and Linux. BSD and Linux compliment each other, not compete with each other.
BSD is an operating system, not a distribution. The only problem I have is calling the BSD releases "distributions." This confuses new readers. Call them operating systems or releases, not distributions.
Great job. This website is now the one place with all info on Linux and BSD. Keep up the great work!!!
21 • Re: Suse Live CD Fine (by Paul) (by Sergio on 2004-04-26 21:29:56 GMT)
My sound wasn't working either.
I fired up Yast, I configured my sound and then it was fine.
22 • BAD ELX distribution (by Henk de Jong at 2004-04-26 21:37:53 GMT)
I think it is wise to ignore EVERY news from Elx.
It is a very bad firm.
The first release was excellent.
That is why I immediately ordered an upgrade, as soon it became "available".
First I had to wait more then a month before the new version came. It was incredibly bad. Microsoft can learn from them in lousy programming. All kind of bugs.
They promised me to send a new version, promised and promised and promised..................It took me another 7 month before I gave up.
I have never received a decent version.
So do not trust this "company"
23 • Tips and tricks: faster downloads from ibiblio.org (by Ivan Kerekes at 2004-04-26 23:25:40 GMT)
I know it is just a question of "man rsync" but I would like to mentions of 2 options, what I am using constantly:
--progress gives you I nice picture of your download speed, ETA, and progress as of percentage (especially if you rsyncing not just an iso but a full directory tree)
--delete for real mirror sync, deletes local copies if it is not on the
The nicest thing about rsync that is only downloads delta, (the difference between the source and destination) If for some reason he download is wrong (md5 sum doesn't match) very fast
way to fix your download instead of downloading the whole file again.
24 • Fedora (by Chuck on 2004-04-26 23:41:49 GMT)
I think that fedora is a very nice linux OS.
25 • RE: BSD inclusion (by ladislav at 2004-04-27 00:28:57 GMT)
BSD is an operating system, not a distribution.
OK, let's get the terminology correct, right from the start.
Linux is a kernel, right? So is BSD. Both are complimented by applications and these come bundled with the kernel, thus turning into a complete "distribution". FreeBSD is not just an OS, just like Linux, it comes with many (pre-compiled) applications. Isn't it fair to call FreeBSD a "BSD distribution"?
Then again, what does BSD stand for? Berkeley Software Distribution, right? Since we already have that word in the name itself, it suddenly doesn't seem right to call it "Berkeley Software Distribution distribution". Hmm, this is a tough one...
Anyone else objects to labelling FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD as "BSD distributions"? If so, what should we call them? I am looking at creating one standard naming convention and sticking to it throughout the web site to avoid any confusion.
I'd appreciate your comments.
26 • Max and Linespa (by Conn Torres at 2004-04-27 00:31:21 GMT)
When these two spanish linux distribution will be avaiable
27 • BSD (by Brian P. on 2004-04-27 02:32:43 GMT)
Thanks for including bsd in your great site. I'm a linux nut who also uses openbsd for several tasks, it is great and quite fun to play with:-) The book you got "Absolute OpenBSD" is an absolute godsend that i use almost daily when i tinker with my firewall/gateway/router. I use linux mainly for my desktops and have been thinking about giving freebsd a spin, openbsd isn't quite there for desktop use (at least not for me;-), however i use openbsd for my webserver and gateway/firewall box. i picked openbsd to learn packet filtering because pf is sooooo wonderful and it was a joy to harden the system and really lock it down:-) keep up the good work ladislav and thanks for a wonderful site:-)
28 • RE: Suse 9.1 Live CD (by Earl Davenport at 2004-04-27 03:13:54 GMT)
I just tried booting the Suse 9.1 Live-CD but it gets to a point and stop with a Red-Green-Blue box saying "Video Mode not supported." I've tried safe settings and changed the video settings all the way down to 640x480. I also tried using control+alt+(-). If the Live-CD won't boot correctly then maybe I won't even go to Suse 9.1. I have a Geforce FX 5200 video card. Also using Verbose mode, the system hangs loading PCMCIA. Any suggestions would help.
29 • FreeSBIE (by R on 2004-04-27 03:30:26 GMT)
Are the full Nvidia drivers on the FreeSBIE ISO?
30 • Re: FreeBSD and pf (by Jackstraw on 2004-04-27 05:26:55 GMT)
You can build pf out of ports on FreeBSD 5.x if you prefer that distro for desktop use but want features that pf has over ipf.
31 • Inclusion of BSD's (by Andrew on 2004-04-27 06:45:59 GMT)
I'm all in favor for the inclusion of any BSD's.
I think anyone who is so pro Linux that they're anti everything else reminds me too much of the pro Windows anti everything else people.
I'm a Windows (not by choice), Linux and BSD user, student of all, master of none!
32 • RE: BSD inclusion (by Tariq on 2004-04-27 06:52:15 GMT)
"BSD distributions" will cause less confussion among those who are new. This will convey the message that there are two type of distro's one is Linux and other BSD. With your listing all under two different groups will make the basic concept very clear.
Distrowatch main focus is ordinary user who needs some bearings when s/he embarks upon any search, your terminology will help them IMHO. I will vote for using " BSD Distributions".
One thing more this site is "Distro Watch" be it Linux or BSD Distro, if you remove Distributions from BSD then it will cause lot of confussion.
33 • Vi? Pah! (by ee on 2004-04-27 15:31:09 GMT)
" If you are comfortable with the command line and with editing files in vi"
Shame on you Ladislav! Why use vi when you can use ee (easy editor)?
ee is completely idiot proof (being an idiot I find this useful) whereas vi is ......
34 • BSD addition (by CJ on 2004-04-27 15:45:20 GMT)
I welcome the addition the BSD distros. Isn't the name of this website DistroWatch? I'd also like to see other distros added. I'm not talking about Microsoft and Apple, but others like OpenBeOS (when it finally gets off the ground), SkyOS, and Solaris
35 • Livux: Experiencing fast live Linux in spanish (by Teobromina on 2004-04-27 17:21:04 GMT)
I wanted to try a 'fast' live Linux in spanish.
Then I did so:
1)Downloaded Livux at http://www.livux.com
2)Burned the ISO
3)Copied the 'livux' folder onto a partition root (fat32 was OK)
4)Restarted the computer with the Livux CD in (making before the bios to boot from the CDrom), as with another 'live'.
The Livux CD acted as a 'key', finding the Livux folder in the hd, and starting Livux as if it was from the CDRom, but at much better speed (It is also possible to run Livux as any other 'live', avoiding to follow the 3) step; and, ashtonishingly, it is possible to install the distro in the hd as well, following the procedure given in the Livux menu itself).
In my experience, the installation (thought that the process was easy) does not gave me real advantages, needed more room in the disk (1850 Mb instead 700 Mb used in the copying procedure) and needed to have a free partition.
Therefore I think it is a very good job, oriented to the Spanish users (it is based on knoppix).
36 • BSD inclusion (by DiegoG at 2004-04-27 18:59:15 GMT)
I agree with Tariq and CJ: being your site's name "DistroWatch", you should keep the word "distribution" in the BSD labels. Also, I support the idea of including not Linux distributions. Even better, as I'm more familiar with Linux than BSD's, I find it easier to learn about the latter distributions from a Linux perspective.
Thanks for your work,
37 • BSD (by Madspaz.com at 2004-04-27 19:36:10 GMT)
I have been using BSD before I even knew what it was, it was my first operating system and I must say I hated it greatly, but it was free and the only thing I could afford at the time and it kept me busy. I learned quite a bit but once I got enough to afford Windows I moved over to it. Now in my professional life I could never base anything off of Windows, I am not sure how any company could rely on any version of Windows. I am for BSD inclusion obviously. I still use Linux for other things, but all my servers are BSD. I like Linux, but I always's seem to arrive back at BSD, the Knoppix distro, is my favorite Live CD and Debian is my main distro of choice. I have moved away from the RH scene because of Bloat, 5.2 was nice but now it is just too much. My BSD installation with Sendmail, Qmail, Apache, MySQL, Squid & PHP is just over 210mb and it keeps an uptime of about 180days before it's scheduled reboot unless the power goes out and my old UPS fails or a user decided to write a bad script. I also have a fully loaded box that is about 2GB used as a XWindows server via VNC, on a 450mhz PII it supports about 7 users under KDE browsing the web and using KOffice, I did this once on a 486 DX100 at one point and it still was able to handle 7 users with some slow loading, if you this go for lots of memory as opposed to a faster processor.
I just found this site last night looking for a quick rescue live CD and really like it. Dont change it or boat it with too many graphics.
38 • Graphical config tool for pf and ipfw (by AndyB on 2004-04-27 19:46:59 GMT)
Try Firewall Builder if you want a graphical tool to configure either pf or ipfw. It's in the FreeBSD ports, and there is a ports download for OpenBSD on the download page at http://www.fwbuilder.org/
39 • FreeSBIE BSD (by godsmonster at 2004-04-27 20:44:24 GMT)
I welcome the addition of BSD to distrowatch its gave me a chance to try BSD without the install ie FreeSBIE livecd .
40 • Correction (by Dustin Laurence at 2004-04-27 21:47:31 GMT)
Your otherwise fine article on FreeBSD says that UNIX began as a mainframe OS, which is just wrong. It was a minicomputer OS. Having later run on big iron no more changes that than it changes Linux from a microcomputer OS to a mainframe OS.
41 • FreeBSD Wall paper (by Charles at 2004-04-28 01:39:30 GMT)
You can download the Beastie wall paper here: http://www.landemaine.com/freebsd-wallpaper
42 • BSD 'Distribution' (by lingmuhebo0 on 2004-04-28 01:49:46 GMT)
I suggest that for BSD, distribution should be put under quotes as in the subject line, to indicate that DistroWatch will be using the word 'distribution' to avoid confusion, but also indicate that it isn't exactly correct terminology.
A great informative website which I found comparing BSD vs Linux:
43 • rsync (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 06:09:14 GMT)
try WINrsync works like a charm
44 • Munjoy no joy (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 10:55:20 GMT)
What a rubbish!
The default install is to use your whole HD
Imagine how many newbies will destroy everything.
If you accept to install lilo, any other partition in your HD will be left unbootable: another great joy for newbies.
Root is not allowed to graphical login. It might be good in principle, but I don't like others to decide what is good for me.
Fonts are *painfully* tiny systemwide. Good for your eyes.
The apt sources.list is the most silly I have ever seen: no Non-US.
No Debian menu in kde
No sound so far.
My floppy drive is engaged all the time.
Do we really need so many useless new distros?
45 • WINrsync --?? Live or Dead (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 15:42:14 GMT)
Googol'd Winrsync and came up with the project being (1) abandonded
(2) built on cygwin
(3) excellent for *bsd's /*nixs/*Lnixs...
(4) Not so straight forward for avg Win users...
46 • Can't we all just get along? :-) (by Dustin Laurence at 2004-04-28 17:14:09 GMT)
BSD not a 'distribution? It's Berkeley Software DISTRIBUTION, folks, and they used the word first. I'd say if only one usage is right it would be theirs, and we'd have to find a new word for our OS bundles based on the Linux kernel. But the nice thing is language doesn't work that way--we can just keep talking as we always do.
On a philosophical note, the BSD guys are our FRIENDS, and let's not be obnoxious by telling them they can't use a word they've used longer than we have. UNIX died once because (in part) all the vendors of all the twisty little variants were more interested in pulling each other's hair than competing against their common enemy. So let's keep our backs together and our weapons ready and not insult each other.
Perhaps the free UNIX (I'm talking reality here, not legally) community needs something like Asimov's laws of Robotics. How about (these seem like the minimal changes to the original wording:
1. A member may not injure the free/open source software community, or, through inaction, allow the community to come to harm.
2. A member should promote his/her own flavor of UNIX, except where this law would conflict with the first law.
3. A member should protect the existence of his/her pet project as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law.
Commentary: non-constructive flamage should constitute injury, and excessive zealotry in obedience to the second law should violate the first.
The point is--we all like Linux, but perhaps the first law should ensure that I don't injure my BSD friends while promoting it.
47 • BSD 'Distribution' (by lingmuhebo0 on 2004-04-28 18:24:04 GMT)
Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it (mostly from reading this <http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux2.php> ) is that there is only one BSD 'distribution', namely that developed by UC Berkeley, and the myriad of projects like FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD are 'flavours' of the one discontinued distribution. Thus, calling each of the 'flavours' of BSD separate 'distributions' is **technically** wrong.
48 • Quote from Ladislav 'Linux is a kernel, right? So is BSD.' (by lingmuhebo0 on 2004-04-28 18:35:15 GMT)
BSD is not just the kernel, but the entire base system. The link below explains it all.
49 • FreeBSD and Java/Flash (by Steve Graham at 2004-04-28 19:58:29 GMT)
Will FreeBSD support Java and Flash? I'd heard something to the effect that it would not, but am not sure. Given the comments on how it is faster than Linux, I might give it a try.
Thanks, Steve Graham
50 • Yes to *BSD (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 22:46:28 GMT)
the more choice and information, the better. if listing them gets more Linux users to use *BSD, great. if not, that's ok too - either way, more information is a good thing.
personally, I highly recommend *BSD, but see for yourself.
51 • BSD V Linux (by DREW on 2004-04-29 04:18:23 GMT)
BSD V Linux - meh, use one or the other. It's no more valid to say BSD or Linux is better than the other than it is to say Debian is better than Slackware. It just depends on your personal preferences :D.
Don't feed the Trolls.
52 • posts to linux/bsd releases (by maceto on 2004-04-29 13:06:58 GMT)
add a option to post under new releases, e.g Peanut Linux wich keyboard don`t work under vmware :-) this is good info, some distro`s only have mailing lists etc, I don`t wanna go through all of em to find a bug like this etc. so a nice thing would be to post under a release, like fedora to flame that a bit :-)
53 • Please distinguish between BSD and GNU/Linux (by Smett on 2004-04-29 20:44:31 GMT)
At the moment it seems there's no need to specify a distro is a BSD distro. There are three of them and they all contain the BSD acronym in their name (Free/Open/Net + BSD)
However, i imagine there will soon be a number of BSD distros on the lists, which will create confusion as to which of them are GNU/Linux and which are BSD.
Please think of a way to mark this distinction (AT LEAST IN THE LISTS.) You could just precede their name by an asterisk ALLOVER, or better a TILDE (asterisks may create confusion.)
Also, maybe it's better to preserve the convention on ALL OCCURRENCES, not only on the lists. Which makes me think a preceding symbol (like the tilde) or a "(BSD)" prefix is more convenient than formatting (at least whenever "BSD" is not included in the name itself.)
So I hope I will soon read (at least) in the statistics something like: "~NetBoz", "~theWall", which will make them as clearly BSD (and therefore not GNU) as "~OpenBSD", "~FreeBSD", and "~NetBSD."
PS: I am not against your including the *BSD's, but at least DO distinguish *BSD from GPL/Linux, as I said. This way the folks that are against the inclusion of BSD on DW may feel a little better, since they don't seem to have any better choice :). I really think my idea will be good for both sides and for everybody else :)
54 • BSD inclusion (by bhhenry at 2004-04-30 01:59:03 GMT)
On the "BSD and Other non-Linux Operating Systems" page you have m0n0wall listed under "Embedded Linux distributions." It should more properly be listed under "BSD and Other non-Linux Operating Systems/*BSD and *BSD-based products" since it is based on FreeBSD.
Also, I agree with the few who believe the interface for the site needs to be simplified (a little bit). Thanks for the great site! I look forward to DistroWatch Weekly every Monday!
55 • Thanks for a Great Site! yay! BSD! (by James O on 2004-04-30 13:06:59 GMT)
Ever since I found this site, it has been one of my favorites. Including BSD's is a great idea. I'm not sure why anyone would be against it. I think any OS is worthy of a mention.
I use BSD at work, as a server. We also use Windows XP. I also have used many linux distros. Recently, I have moving more towards BSDs. I was studying for my Linux+ cert when I started moving towards FreeBSD. The reasoning was that the Linux disros seemed to be too different. This isn't a bad thing, but selecting the right distro involved trying a bunch of distros. Personally, I like Mandrake and Slackware the best. But thats just my opinion. Everyone has thier own favorite.
People need to be open-minded and realize there is never a perfect choice. It depends on the job. Linux is great; FreeBSD is great; and i'll get flamed but as a programmer, I think Windows XP is great. Long live Perl!
56 • Munjoy linux (by Bole at 2004-05-03 09:04:09 GMT)
Bad thing....I not recomonded for newbie!!!!!!!It break my system,and I'am sory for my bad english but Munjoy Linux damaged Linux comunity!Everybody wants a good and stable desktop Linux but this isn't that.I'am sorry for this words David!
Just for note after installation all partitions were unbootable :(
This Distro must be polished (graphical installation) before it goes to the users.............
57 • FreeBSD, Linux, and Darwin. (by Gregislost at 2004-05-13 03:06:19 GMT)
If you want to get techy about it all Darwin(mac osX) is based on FreeBSD as well.
Not sure what the point is but .. um yeah.... no point just making a pointless point.
Also taken form the apple website is this statement... "Darwin: Beneath the easy-to-use interface and rich graphics of Mac OS X is Darwin, an Open Source UNIX-based foundation built on proven technologies such as FreeBSD, Mach, Apache, and gcc. Darwin is a complete operating system, comparable to Linux or FreeBSD, and provides the usual kernel, libraries, networking, and command-line environment that UNIX and LINUX users expect. " I guess we are just too busy splitting hairs here, most distros of Linux include COMPLETE OSs so inclusion of FreeBSD as brother with many similarities is prefectly fine in my book and can only create a breeding ground for future inovation. Competion is a good thing.
58 • No subject (by Chris at 2004-07-12 22:06:26 GMT)
As a mainly FreeBSD person I think it's great to see a resource where there is sharing of information between BSD's and Linux's. The more people know that BSD rocks the better :~
Perhaps the people to ask whether FreeBSD, NetBSD etc is a distribution or an operating system are the BSD people. The FreeBSD website says "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system...". As 'PP' says (email quoted under Reader Feedback above) 'the BSD's tend to be a ... complete operating system...".
And finally a rant in support of open source in general:
I just read the distrowatch review of FreeBSD 5 by Robert Storey. Because of Linux's popularity and media exposure many people confuse Linux with open source. There is this myth that Linux equals open source and open source equals Linux when in fact Linux like FreeBSD is just one part of the whole diverse open source movement.
And what do we find in the first paragraph of the article?:
"Most of the usual Linux toys will run fine on FreeBSD, including such perennial favorites as KDE, Gnome, OpenOffice, Gimp, MPlayer, Mozilla, Mutt, Postfix, Perl, Python and Emacs, to name a few."
Perl is a linux language? Mozilla is a linux program? Come on guys, these are projects which have nothing to do with Linux except that Linux is one platform among many that they run on. OpenOffice, Gimp, Mozilla and Perl run on Windows, but you wouldn't call them Windows programs. Perl, the Windows scripting language, huh! You'll probably be saying Apache the Linux web server any moment. Please guys, get your facts right and stop spreading confusion. Thank you.
End of rant
PS this written in mozilla firefox from a FreeSBIE live-cd.
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