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1 • PLD 0.90 Live CD (by jmrush on 2004-04-26 10:10:00 GMT) |
This week I've been playing with this newly released distro,and it's amazing.Shame for their developers that their website is in poland language.Kernel 2.6 and a complete KDE 3.2,Gnome 2.6 features.
Is there any way to know if it can be installed on HD or if they plan to release a full distro.
2 • PLD, Knoppix 3.4, other misc stuff (by CliffH at 2004-04-26 10:34:18 GMT)
I took your recommendation and downloaded PLD last week when it appeared on the page. Very nice indeed. It will take a bit of getting used to Gnome's new file manager but no big worries. Everything seemed to work the first time on all of my systems and, once more, everything ran very smoothly at a d**ned nice pace (PLD running faster then my hodge-podge install of Fedora Core 1 at the moment). They did an excellent job.
Knoppix 3.4. Good on him for sticking to his guns and getting something out the door that HE is happy with. If you're not happy with something, how can you expect anyone else to be. Also remember, he is doing this out of the goodness of his own heart. It's definately an itch I hope he continues scratching for a long time.
Name changes. Ok, let's see, we've had RedHat change to Fedora for freebies, Lindows to Linspire, Lycoris to Desktop/LX, and SuSE to , well, they haven't changed their name. :) Word to everyone (except Lind... spire, we know why you changed), changing your name AFTER you have establised a following does not make for very good user retension. RedHat had a golden opportunity to keep the brand, and change the label to something more representative of what they were doing, for example:
RHES = RedHat Enterprise Server
RHFE = RedHat Free Edition
Simple, no confusion, no taking an hour out of your day trying to explain why RedHat suddenly "left". Everyone readin this KNOWS they didn't leave, problem is, we're not trying to put this into eachother's networks, are we?
Ok, that's enough of my ranting for one night. Ladislav, you run a great site and please don't let anyone tell you differently. This is one of my daily stops (and the reason I nearly hit my bandwidth limit every month) and will be for as long as you keep it going. Thank you very much for the excellent resource.
3 • FBSD as a desktop (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-04-26 10:46:51 GMT)
funny thing, about 6 years ago, I saw FreeBSD and thought that it was going to be the wave of the future, destroying Windows in an unstoppable wave of free software. I think Linux is doing a lot more of that. ;-) however, when I finally tried an OS other than Windows, FreeBSD was my first attempt.
starting out with FreeBSD wasn't like jumping in the deep end of the pool. it was like jumping in the deep end with cement shoes. however, after I'd gotten to know Linux intimately, I went back for more FreeBSD. my sound never worked, and that resulted in much screaming and swearing, which proved I never really needed a sound card to make noise for me. (-: anywho, I got around everything else, and I had fun. I found very little that I could do in Linux that I couldn't do in FreeBSD. I even played a number of games with remarkable performance!
regarding the question of whether BSD inclusion is fair or not, the writer brings up the point of naming. true, Linux is just a kernel, and to compare it correctly, you'd have to compare it to "a BSD kernel". however, "Linux" has been very widely coined to mean the kernel and all software that runs on it; more of a way of thinking than a software package. so maybe it should be an argument of GNU versus Copywrong...
(*sobs* I just set up my Slackware-current server, ready with SSH and everything so that I could finish setting stuff up from the laptop in bed, and I drove almost an hour to get home, and I think it had a kernel panic. T_T but if anyone's interested, I think it's x.org's fault. don't get me wrong, I'm VERY impressed with their coding! I didn't have to configure anything at all, and it built with extremely few (if any) warnings. I'm impressed!)
4 • inclusion of FreeBSD et al on DistroWatch (by Martin on 2004-04-26 10:51:17 GMT)
I just wish to state that I am very happy that the DistroWatch site also includes information about FreeBSD and the like nowadays. Someone stated that they think it's 'unfair' that the BSDs now 'compete' with the Linux distro's listed on your site. IMNSHO it is better for all visitors of the DistroWatch site to also have an opportunity to learn about the BSDs. If Linux distrobutions end up not meeting their expectations, at least they'll know about one more set of alternatives to the OS-that-shall-not-be-named.
Oh yes, one more thing: DistroWatch is a site I just love, I hope you will keep on doing the 'good' works as you have done upto now.
5 • BSD welcome (by Sundar on 2004-04-26 11:25:21 GMT)
I welcome inclusion of bsds. Apart from Debian, all other Distro's don't care much about apps tuning with kernel and other dependencies. BSD*s do. Thats why they are slow in their release. That is why they are reliable Server operating system.
6 • layout and BSD (by Joe P on 2004-04-26 11:33:59 GMT)
I think the site layout is great for the incredible amount of information that is tracked and updated regularly. It's an amazing site and you do a great job presenting everything.
I am glad to see the BSD's included. I have been wondering if there is any life left in the SCO shakedown, if BSD's are an option.
Thanks for a great site!
7 • Did anyone notice Suse Live-Cd doesn't boot (by Jim Macdonald at 2004-04-26 12:04:58 GMT)
Did anyone notice that the Suse Live-Cd does not boot? I e-mailed a bunch of Suse e-mail links that I have found, but it seems as though no-one has said anything yet. Haven't heard anyone else mentioning it. All my other live cd's boot. This doesn't.
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8 • FBSD (by Danny W. Burdick at 2004-04-26 12:39:28 GMT)
Keep up the good work.....
I want it included
Likewise my first experience with open source operating systems
was wiith Freebsd..what an experience....
every linux person on earth should have a copy of that sweeeet
live freebsd cd.....sooooo nice...
tnx for being here
I currently use the mandrakes for my work...but still gotta a place
for FBSD in my heart...
9 • FreeBSD (by Luk van den Borne at 2004-04-26 12:41:24 GMT)
I use FreeBSD as my main server OS and I am very pleased with it. And I think it is fair to include it @ distrowatch. I think competition is always good and why exclude it from distrowatch just because it behaves differently? Don't all distro's and BSD's behave differently?
10 • RE: SUSE Live-CD (by SyntaxError at 2004-04-26 13:17:03 GMT)
I downloaded the LiveCD and it boots fine on my machine (Thinkpad A21m). Haven't have a chance to test it on other PCs yet. First impression: not as good as Knoppix or other LiveCD judging from its ability to autoload wireless driver and dhcp. Also USB mouse does not work. ALL of this base on the default booting. I am not aware of any options at boot prompt.
11 • inclusion of FreeBSD (by Tomislav Djokic at 2004-04-26 14:34:03 GMT)
May be it is better BSD distribution be in separate group? Easyer to find and everything. I am pro BSD inclusion any way.
12 • RE: SUSE Live-CD (by Edi on 2004-04-26 14:49:18 GMT)
It boots here too...
Only one problem, it can't see my AC97 soundcard, although Knoppix sees it.
Anyway, it's (much) faster than Knoppix on my machine, although not as many features as Knoppix.
dhcp & messenger work fine
13 • SUSE Live-CD troubles (by Ben Mullen at 2004-04-26 15:31:33 GMT)
I had to burn my SUSE live cd twice. I trashed it the first time when I used disk at once, but it worked fine the second time when I burned using track at once. Most likely a coincidence (or crappy CD-Rs), but I did get to try it. SUSE is still a top notch distro, but I've become to consumed by Fedora Core and Gnome to switch back.
14 • Suse LiveCD (by Sergio on 2004-04-26 15:33:48 GMT)
Working fine here too.
But I am disappointed with the look and feel of about everything.
Suse 9.0 looks more polished and professional, imho.
Does anybody else feel the same?
15 • Suse Live CD Fine (by Paul at 2004-04-26 16:36:07 GMT)
Live CD boots fine here. Can't wait till my upgrade gets here around May 8. Until then, the 9.1 Live CD works great. Overall speed is improved, but my sound does not work :-( but I feel once I have a version I can really configure, things will be fine.
16 • Inclusion of the BSDs (by Stan on 2004-04-26 17:22:12 GMT)
Once a 386BSD user and since then a Linux "hax0r", I have enjoyed a recent revisit of FreeBSD (didn't much care for the stone axe kernel config method, but the ports system is sweet) and so I applaud your decision to include the BSDs on your excellent site.
Speaking of FreeBSD, I was pleasantly surprised that the hardware (KM400 chipset) was recognized and working right off the bat, sound and all. And mplayer, which seems difficult to get exactly right on Fedora (I always seem to have some files it can't play), worked without a hitch on FreeBSD when compiled as a port.
If I could get the latest Eclipse / SWT working on BSD, I would consider moving to it as my desktop platform of choice. Getting away from the schizophrenia of the Linux distros at times seems like a good thing.
17 • Burning live CD several times (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-04-26 17:41:07 GMT)
I haven't yet, but I remember when I was testing Red Hat 8.0.94 Phoebe, I had to burn the second CD over and over and over until I got it to work. my MD5 sums were right, and I'd used about 200 CD's, burning various CD's the whole time, so it's not like there was a stack of bad CD's. it was just whenever I got to CD 2. and I wasn't the only one to have that problem, either. several people on the Phoebe mailing list had that problem.
wonder if that's happening again, and if so, why?? how??
18 • Freebsd / Freesbie (by Gommans at 2004-04-26 18:21:21 GMT)
I tried Freebsd about a month ago., after checking out the freesbie CD that I really loved.
FreeBSD has the same problem as Debian has: The installer from hell!
If the guys from Freesbie could get their CD do do a harddisk install this would really kick ass. Funny how a large community of devellopers comes with a really outdated installer, where a little italian club is capable of building such a great live-bsd-cd.
Come on guys from Freesbie, use the Mepis way and give us all FreeBSD!
Can't wait to get it!
Just my 2 cents
19 • OpenBSD (by shayne at 2004-04-26 19:36:33 GMT)
I'm personally looking VERY forward to OpenBSD 3.5. Anyone who has something against the BSD's is silly. I love the 2.6 kernel, and even 2.4 is cool, but BSD is and always has been solid and secure (often putting linux to shame.......especially OpenBSD).
I think by including the BSD's as a measuring stick, the Linux distro's will have to kick it up a notch.
20 • BSD inclusion (by Ezra at 2004-04-26 19:51:29 GMT)
I am very happy to see FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD and other BSD related operating systems. I do not see how anyone could be concerned with "competition" between BSD and Linux. BSD and Linux compliment each other, not compete with each other.
BSD is an operating system, not a distribution. The only problem I have is calling the BSD releases "distributions." This confuses new readers. Call them operating systems or releases, not distributions.
Great job. This website is now the one place with all info on Linux and BSD. Keep up the great work!!!
21 • Re: Suse Live CD Fine (by Paul) (by Sergio on 2004-04-26 21:29:56 GMT)
My sound wasn't working either.
I fired up Yast, I configured my sound and then it was fine.
22 • BAD ELX distribution (by Henk de Jong at 2004-04-26 21:37:53 GMT)
I think it is wise to ignore EVERY news from Elx.
It is a very bad firm.
The first release was excellent.
That is why I immediately ordered an upgrade, as soon it became "available".
First I had to wait more then a month before the new version came. It was incredibly bad. Microsoft can learn from them in lousy programming. All kind of bugs.
They promised me to send a new version, promised and promised and promised..................It took me another 7 month before I gave up.
I have never received a decent version.
So do not trust this "company"
23 • Tips and tricks: faster downloads from ibiblio.org (by Ivan Kerekes at 2004-04-26 23:25:40 GMT)
I know it is just a question of "man rsync" but I would like to mentions of 2 options, what I am using constantly:
--progress gives you I nice picture of your download speed, ETA, and progress as of percentage (especially if you rsyncing not just an iso but a full directory tree)
--delete for real mirror sync, deletes local copies if it is not on the
The nicest thing about rsync that is only downloads delta, (the difference between the source and destination) If for some reason he download is wrong (md5 sum doesn't match) very fast
way to fix your download instead of downloading the whole file again.
24 • Fedora (by Chuck on 2004-04-26 23:41:49 GMT)
I think that fedora is a very nice linux OS.
25 • RE: BSD inclusion (by ladislav at 2004-04-27 00:28:57 GMT)
BSD is an operating system, not a distribution.
OK, let's get the terminology correct, right from the start.
Linux is a kernel, right? So is BSD. Both are complimented by applications and these come bundled with the kernel, thus turning into a complete "distribution". FreeBSD is not just an OS, just like Linux, it comes with many (pre-compiled) applications. Isn't it fair to call FreeBSD a "BSD distribution"?
Then again, what does BSD stand for? Berkeley Software Distribution, right? Since we already have that word in the name itself, it suddenly doesn't seem right to call it "Berkeley Software Distribution distribution". Hmm, this is a tough one...
Anyone else objects to labelling FreeBSD, OpenBSD and NetBSD as "BSD distributions"? If so, what should we call them? I am looking at creating one standard naming convention and sticking to it throughout the web site to avoid any confusion.
I'd appreciate your comments.
26 • Max and Linespa (by Conn Torres at 2004-04-27 00:31:21 GMT)
When these two spanish linux distribution will be avaiable
27 • BSD (by Brian P. on 2004-04-27 02:32:43 GMT)
Thanks for including bsd in your great site. I'm a linux nut who also uses openbsd for several tasks, it is great and quite fun to play with:-) The book you got "Absolute OpenBSD" is an absolute godsend that i use almost daily when i tinker with my firewall/gateway/router. I use linux mainly for my desktops and have been thinking about giving freebsd a spin, openbsd isn't quite there for desktop use (at least not for me;-), however i use openbsd for my webserver and gateway/firewall box. i picked openbsd to learn packet filtering because pf is sooooo wonderful and it was a joy to harden the system and really lock it down:-) keep up the good work ladislav and thanks for a wonderful site:-)
28 • RE: Suse 9.1 Live CD (by Earl Davenport at 2004-04-27 03:13:54 GMT)
I just tried booting the Suse 9.1 Live-CD but it gets to a point and stop with a Red-Green-Blue box saying "Video Mode not supported." I've tried safe settings and changed the video settings all the way down to 640x480. I also tried using control+alt+(-). If the Live-CD won't boot correctly then maybe I won't even go to Suse 9.1. I have a Geforce FX 5200 video card. Also using Verbose mode, the system hangs loading PCMCIA. Any suggestions would help.
29 • FreeSBIE (by R on 2004-04-27 03:30:26 GMT)
Are the full Nvidia drivers on the FreeSBIE ISO?
30 • Re: FreeBSD and pf (by Jackstraw on 2004-04-27 05:26:55 GMT)
You can build pf out of ports on FreeBSD 5.x if you prefer that distro for desktop use but want features that pf has over ipf.
31 • Inclusion of BSD's (by Andrew on 2004-04-27 06:45:59 GMT)
I'm all in favor for the inclusion of any BSD's.
I think anyone who is so pro Linux that they're anti everything else reminds me too much of the pro Windows anti everything else people.
I'm a Windows (not by choice), Linux and BSD user, student of all, master of none!
32 • RE: BSD inclusion (by Tariq on 2004-04-27 06:52:15 GMT)
"BSD distributions" will cause less confussion among those who are new. This will convey the message that there are two type of distro's one is Linux and other BSD. With your listing all under two different groups will make the basic concept very clear.
Distrowatch main focus is ordinary user who needs some bearings when s/he embarks upon any search, your terminology will help them IMHO. I will vote for using " BSD Distributions".
One thing more this site is "Distro Watch" be it Linux or BSD Distro, if you remove Distributions from BSD then it will cause lot of confussion.
33 • Vi? Pah! (by ee on 2004-04-27 15:31:09 GMT)
" If you are comfortable with the command line and with editing files in vi"
Shame on you Ladislav! Why use vi when you can use ee (easy editor)?
ee is completely idiot proof (being an idiot I find this useful) whereas vi is ......
34 • BSD addition (by CJ on 2004-04-27 15:45:20 GMT)
I welcome the addition the BSD distros. Isn't the name of this website DistroWatch? I'd also like to see other distros added. I'm not talking about Microsoft and Apple, but others like OpenBeOS (when it finally gets off the ground), SkyOS, and Solaris
35 • Livux: Experiencing fast live Linux in spanish (by Teobromina on 2004-04-27 17:21:04 GMT)
I wanted to try a 'fast' live Linux in spanish.
Then I did so:
1)Downloaded Livux at http://www.livux.com
2)Burned the ISO
3)Copied the 'livux' folder onto a partition root (fat32 was OK)
4)Restarted the computer with the Livux CD in (making before the bios to boot from the CDrom), as with another 'live'.
The Livux CD acted as a 'key', finding the Livux folder in the hd, and starting Livux as if it was from the CDRom, but at much better speed (It is also possible to run Livux as any other 'live', avoiding to follow the 3) step; and, ashtonishingly, it is possible to install the distro in the hd as well, following the procedure given in the Livux menu itself).
In my experience, the installation (thought that the process was easy) does not gave me real advantages, needed more room in the disk (1850 Mb instead 700 Mb used in the copying procedure) and needed to have a free partition.
Therefore I think it is a very good job, oriented to the Spanish users (it is based on knoppix).
36 • BSD inclusion (by DiegoG at 2004-04-27 18:59:15 GMT)
I agree with Tariq and CJ: being your site's name "DistroWatch", you should keep the word "distribution" in the BSD labels. Also, I support the idea of including not Linux distributions. Even better, as I'm more familiar with Linux than BSD's, I find it easier to learn about the latter distributions from a Linux perspective.
Thanks for your work,
37 • BSD (by Madspaz.com at 2004-04-27 19:36:10 GMT)
I have been using BSD before I even knew what it was, it was my first operating system and I must say I hated it greatly, but it was free and the only thing I could afford at the time and it kept me busy. I learned quite a bit but once I got enough to afford Windows I moved over to it. Now in my professional life I could never base anything off of Windows, I am not sure how any company could rely on any version of Windows. I am for BSD inclusion obviously. I still use Linux for other things, but all my servers are BSD. I like Linux, but I always's seem to arrive back at BSD, the Knoppix distro, is my favorite Live CD and Debian is my main distro of choice. I have moved away from the RH scene because of Bloat, 5.2 was nice but now it is just too much. My BSD installation with Sendmail, Qmail, Apache, MySQL, Squid & PHP is just over 210mb and it keeps an uptime of about 180days before it's scheduled reboot unless the power goes out and my old UPS fails or a user decided to write a bad script. I also have a fully loaded box that is about 2GB used as a XWindows server via VNC, on a 450mhz PII it supports about 7 users under KDE browsing the web and using KOffice, I did this once on a 486 DX100 at one point and it still was able to handle 7 users with some slow loading, if you this go for lots of memory as opposed to a faster processor.
I just found this site last night looking for a quick rescue live CD and really like it. Dont change it or boat it with too many graphics.
38 • Graphical config tool for pf and ipfw (by AndyB on 2004-04-27 19:46:59 GMT)
Try Firewall Builder if you want a graphical tool to configure either pf or ipfw. It's in the FreeBSD ports, and there is a ports download for OpenBSD on the download page at http://www.fwbuilder.org/
39 • FreeSBIE BSD (by godsmonster at 2004-04-27 20:44:24 GMT)
I welcome the addition of BSD to distrowatch its gave me a chance to try BSD without the install ie FreeSBIE livecd .
40 • Correction (by Dustin Laurence at 2004-04-27 21:47:31 GMT)
Your otherwise fine article on FreeBSD says that UNIX began as a mainframe OS, which is just wrong. It was a minicomputer OS. Having later run on big iron no more changes that than it changes Linux from a microcomputer OS to a mainframe OS.
41 • FreeBSD Wall paper (by Charles at 2004-04-28 01:39:30 GMT)
You can download the Beastie wall paper here: http://www.landemaine.com/freebsd-wallpaper
42 • BSD 'Distribution' (by lingmuhebo0 on 2004-04-28 01:49:46 GMT)
I suggest that for BSD, distribution should be put under quotes as in the subject line, to indicate that DistroWatch will be using the word 'distribution' to avoid confusion, but also indicate that it isn't exactly correct terminology.
A great informative website which I found comparing BSD vs Linux:
43 • rsync (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 06:09:14 GMT)
try WINrsync works like a charm
44 • Munjoy no joy (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 10:55:20 GMT)
What a rubbish!
The default install is to use your whole HD
Imagine how many newbies will destroy everything.
If you accept to install lilo, any other partition in your HD will be left unbootable: another great joy for newbies.
Root is not allowed to graphical login. It might be good in principle, but I don't like others to decide what is good for me.
Fonts are *painfully* tiny systemwide. Good for your eyes.
The apt sources.list is the most silly I have ever seen: no Non-US.
No Debian menu in kde
No sound so far.
My floppy drive is engaged all the time.
Do we really need so many useless new distros?
45 • WINrsync --?? Live or Dead (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 15:42:14 GMT)
Googol'd Winrsync and came up with the project being (1) abandonded
(2) built on cygwin
(3) excellent for *bsd's /*nixs/*Lnixs...
(4) Not so straight forward for avg Win users...
46 • Can't we all just get along? :-) (by Dustin Laurence at 2004-04-28 17:14:09 GMT)
BSD not a 'distribution? It's Berkeley Software DISTRIBUTION, folks, and they used the word first. I'd say if only one usage is right it would be theirs, and we'd have to find a new word for our OS bundles based on the Linux kernel. But the nice thing is language doesn't work that way--we can just keep talking as we always do.
On a philosophical note, the BSD guys are our FRIENDS, and let's not be obnoxious by telling them they can't use a word they've used longer than we have. UNIX died once because (in part) all the vendors of all the twisty little variants were more interested in pulling each other's hair than competing against their common enemy. So let's keep our backs together and our weapons ready and not insult each other.
Perhaps the free UNIX (I'm talking reality here, not legally) community needs something like Asimov's laws of Robotics. How about (these seem like the minimal changes to the original wording:
1. A member may not injure the free/open source software community, or, through inaction, allow the community to come to harm.
2. A member should promote his/her own flavor of UNIX, except where this law would conflict with the first law.
3. A member should protect the existence of his/her pet project as long as such protection does not conflict with the first or second law.
Commentary: non-constructive flamage should constitute injury, and excessive zealotry in obedience to the second law should violate the first.
The point is--we all like Linux, but perhaps the first law should ensure that I don't injure my BSD friends while promoting it.
47 • BSD 'Distribution' (by lingmuhebo0 on 2004-04-28 18:24:04 GMT)
Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it (mostly from reading this <http://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/bsd4linux2.php> ) is that there is only one BSD 'distribution', namely that developed by UC Berkeley, and the myriad of projects like FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD are 'flavours' of the one discontinued distribution. Thus, calling each of the 'flavours' of BSD separate 'distributions' is **technically** wrong.
48 • Quote from Ladislav 'Linux is a kernel, right? So is BSD.' (by lingmuhebo0 on 2004-04-28 18:35:15 GMT)
BSD is not just the kernel, but the entire base system. The link below explains it all.
49 • FreeBSD and Java/Flash (by Steve Graham at 2004-04-28 19:58:29 GMT)
Will FreeBSD support Java and Flash? I'd heard something to the effect that it would not, but am not sure. Given the comments on how it is faster than Linux, I might give it a try.
Thanks, Steve Graham
50 • Yes to *BSD (by Anonymous on 2004-04-28 22:46:28 GMT)
the more choice and information, the better. if listing them gets more Linux users to use *BSD, great. if not, that's ok too - either way, more information is a good thing.
personally, I highly recommend *BSD, but see for yourself.
51 • BSD V Linux (by DREW on 2004-04-29 04:18:23 GMT)
BSD V Linux - meh, use one or the other. It's no more valid to say BSD or Linux is better than the other than it is to say Debian is better than Slackware. It just depends on your personal preferences :D.
Don't feed the Trolls.
52 • posts to linux/bsd releases (by maceto on 2004-04-29 13:06:58 GMT)
add a option to post under new releases, e.g Peanut Linux wich keyboard don`t work under vmware :-) this is good info, some distro`s only have mailing lists etc, I don`t wanna go through all of em to find a bug like this etc. so a nice thing would be to post under a release, like fedora to flame that a bit :-)
53 • Please distinguish between BSD and GNU/Linux (by Smett on 2004-04-29 20:44:31 GMT)
At the moment it seems there's no need to specify a distro is a BSD distro. There are three of them and they all contain the BSD acronym in their name (Free/Open/Net + BSD)
However, i imagine there will soon be a number of BSD distros on the lists, which will create confusion as to which of them are GNU/Linux and which are BSD.
Please think of a way to mark this distinction (AT LEAST IN THE LISTS.) You could just precede their name by an asterisk ALLOVER, or better a TILDE (asterisks may create confusion.)
Also, maybe it's better to preserve the convention on ALL OCCURRENCES, not only on the lists. Which makes me think a preceding symbol (like the tilde) or a "(BSD)" prefix is more convenient than formatting (at least whenever "BSD" is not included in the name itself.)
So I hope I will soon read (at least) in the statistics something like: "~NetBoz", "~theWall", which will make them as clearly BSD (and therefore not GNU) as "~OpenBSD", "~FreeBSD", and "~NetBSD."
PS: I am not against your including the *BSD's, but at least DO distinguish *BSD from GPL/Linux, as I said. This way the folks that are against the inclusion of BSD on DW may feel a little better, since they don't seem to have any better choice :). I really think my idea will be good for both sides and for everybody else :)
54 • BSD inclusion (by bhhenry at 2004-04-30 01:59:03 GMT)
On the "BSD and Other non-Linux Operating Systems" page you have m0n0wall listed under "Embedded Linux distributions." It should more properly be listed under "BSD and Other non-Linux Operating Systems/*BSD and *BSD-based products" since it is based on FreeBSD.
Also, I agree with the few who believe the interface for the site needs to be simplified (a little bit). Thanks for the great site! I look forward to DistroWatch Weekly every Monday!
55 • Thanks for a Great Site! yay! BSD! (by James O on 2004-04-30 13:06:59 GMT)
Ever since I found this site, it has been one of my favorites. Including BSD's is a great idea. I'm not sure why anyone would be against it. I think any OS is worthy of a mention.
I use BSD at work, as a server. We also use Windows XP. I also have used many linux distros. Recently, I have moving more towards BSDs. I was studying for my Linux+ cert when I started moving towards FreeBSD. The reasoning was that the Linux disros seemed to be too different. This isn't a bad thing, but selecting the right distro involved trying a bunch of distros. Personally, I like Mandrake and Slackware the best. But thats just my opinion. Everyone has thier own favorite.
People need to be open-minded and realize there is never a perfect choice. It depends on the job. Linux is great; FreeBSD is great; and i'll get flamed but as a programmer, I think Windows XP is great. Long live Perl!
56 • Munjoy linux (by Bole at 2004-05-03 09:04:09 GMT)
Bad thing....I not recomonded for newbie!!!!!!!It break my system,and I'am sory for my bad english but Munjoy Linux damaged Linux comunity!Everybody wants a good and stable desktop Linux but this isn't that.I'am sorry for this words David!
Just for note after installation all partitions were unbootable :(
This Distro must be polished (graphical installation) before it goes to the users.............
57 • FreeBSD, Linux, and Darwin. (by Gregislost at 2004-05-13 03:06:19 GMT)
If you want to get techy about it all Darwin(mac osX) is based on FreeBSD as well.
Not sure what the point is but .. um yeah.... no point just making a pointless point.
Also taken form the apple website is this statement... "Darwin: Beneath the easy-to-use interface and rich graphics of Mac OS X is Darwin, an Open Source UNIX-based foundation built on proven technologies such as FreeBSD, Mach, Apache, and gcc. Darwin is a complete operating system, comparable to Linux or FreeBSD, and provides the usual kernel, libraries, networking, and command-line environment that UNIX and LINUX users expect. " I guess we are just too busy splitting hairs here, most distros of Linux include COMPLETE OSs so inclusion of FreeBSD as brother with many similarities is prefectly fine in my book and can only create a breeding ground for future inovation. Competion is a good thing.
58 • No subject (by Chris at 2004-07-12 22:06:26 GMT)
As a mainly FreeBSD person I think it's great to see a resource where there is sharing of information between BSD's and Linux's. The more people know that BSD rocks the better :~
Perhaps the people to ask whether FreeBSD, NetBSD etc is a distribution or an operating system are the BSD people. The FreeBSD website says "FreeBSD is an advanced operating system...". As 'PP' says (email quoted under Reader Feedback above) 'the BSD's tend to be a ... complete operating system...".
And finally a rant in support of open source in general:
I just read the distrowatch review of FreeBSD 5 by Robert Storey. Because of Linux's popularity and media exposure many people confuse Linux with open source. There is this myth that Linux equals open source and open source equals Linux when in fact Linux like FreeBSD is just one part of the whole diverse open source movement.
And what do we find in the first paragraph of the article?:
"Most of the usual Linux toys will run fine on FreeBSD, including such perennial favorites as KDE, Gnome, OpenOffice, Gimp, MPlayer, Mozilla, Mutt, Postfix, Perl, Python and Emacs, to name a few."
Perl is a linux language? Mozilla is a linux program? Come on guys, these are projects which have nothing to do with Linux except that Linux is one platform among many that they run on. OpenOffice, Gimp, Mozilla and Perl run on Windows, but you wouldn't call them Windows programs. Perl, the Windows scripting language, huh! You'll probably be saying Apache the Linux web server any moment. Please guys, get your facts right and stop spreading confusion. Thank you.
End of rant
PS this written in mozilla firefox from a FreeSBIE live-cd.
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