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1 • Arch (by Luk van den Borne at 2004-03-08 14:09:42 GMT) |
Ladislav you forgot to add XFS and JFS support to Arch 0.6 and current. http://www.archlinux.org/changelog.php
2 • Mandrake 10 (by Bob Weinstein at 2004-03-08 15:15:57 GMT)
Thus far, it's good news - bad news. Lots of packages, new kernel and KDE, fairly polished. Good hardware recognition, including new nVidia LAN card and graphics card. On the other hand, It took four attempts to get all the way through the installation. The operating system keeps freezing without warning, very unlike Linux. If the freezing keeps on happening I will have to abandon this distro. Haven't spent enough time with it yet to be able to say anything about the menus, but they seem more or less similar to 9.2. Unable to connect to a Mandrake Update server, but it may be early.
3 • Mandrakelinux 10.0 (by Arnaud Delobel on 2004-03-08 16:15:58 GMT)
Very good distro. Didn't have any problem so far. I'm just waiting for contribs, club and plf rpms to be released and it will be perfect.
4 • SUSE 9.1 (by Corey Quilliam at 2004-03-08 16:29:16 GMT)
I must say, i'm happy to see another version of SUSE on the horizon. SUSE has always been a great distribution and well worth the cost to purchase. While there are other great linux distributions that are free, I have always had a soft side of SUSE, and look forward to each release. I last purchased 8.2 and took a pass on 9.0, but I think I may loosen the purse strings for 9.1, because you definitly get what you pay for.
5 • the new 1.1 licence for xfree86 (by nitroushhh on 2004-03-08 17:05:03 GMT)
I thought that having code released under the GNU public licence meant that it would always have to have that licence.
from the GNU public licence.
"You may not impose any further restrictions on the recipients' exercise of the rights granted herein"
So wouldn't this mean that 4.4 cannot contain any code from the previous release if they wanted to change their licence???
I'm not against non gnu / gpl licenced code but this seems in principle just the same as starting to charge for it.
What about. "Its still free but you cant use it on Tuesdays". Would the xfree86 project think that reasonable as well ?
I think its the top of a very slippery slope if projects start adding conditions to the use of the code. In no time your desktop will be full of marketing.
Or am i talking rubbish ???
Could someone post a positive side to the xfree86 move so i can have a more rounded opinion.
6 • Deep-Water (by C Brown at 2004-03-08 17:23:05 GMT)
There is a typo in the download link on the deepwater distro page, there is an extra h in http:... Not that the server is working right now anyway.
Thanks for these great weekly updates.
7 • OnebaseGo (by Sergio at 2004-03-08 17:23:31 GMT)
I am very impressed with OnebaseGo.
Have you ever wished that there was a source distro which detected and configured correctly all your hardware? Which installed in 10 minutes?
Now you have it: OnebaseGo.
Of course it will install binaries at first, but once installed you'll have the choice between binary and source.
Choose what you want and OnebaseGo will download it with all the necessary dependencies and compile it for you: no need for any previous knowledge of source or even of Linux.
It will download and compile even kernel 2.6 if you so wish, optimized for your processor.
And it comes with Kde 3.2
8 • Re: OnebaseGo (by all4one at 2004-03-08 18:16:12 GMT)
Adding to what Sergio said, OnebaseGo can easily become a portable OS.
Despite being a LiveCD you can dock and seemlessly install applications as you are doing in your General purpose OS and finally un-dock to get an remastered ISO.
You are three mouse clicks away from creating Gnoppix, Knoppix, damnsmall, or anything for that matter out of that.
So install applications of your preferred choise.
It uses Click-n-Pick to install applications.
Think of Onebase Linux as more THAN your Gentoo, Lindows, Debian, Knoppix put together.
Also you can customize it to make it your LiveCD with your configuration, settings and security.
Makes it really handy for travellers and in journeys.
Make it your way!
9 • "Newest Distributions" Box (by Anonymous on 2004-03-08 18:22:46 GMT)
Where are so many distributions not appearing in the "Newest Distributions" box? This time Mandrake is missing.
Btw, KDE 3.2.1 will be released on 9th March according to the release announcement and its info page.
10 • RE: the new 1.1 licence for xfree86 (by Penguin Domesticus on 2004-03-08 18:33:35 GMT)
At least the problems with the new XFree86 license are not just ideological like some have understood, but seem to be mostly only legal. The new restrictions in the new license seem to make it legally very problematic to use the new XFRee86 4.4 code with Linux.
Anyway, basically the new license still keeps XFree86 as an open source project - which is the main idea and goal of GPL.
But like the previous writer, I would be glad to read some more detailed explanation about this problem too... And haven't there also been some rumours that the XFree86 project might also still publish 4.4 under the old license too??
11 • RE2: the new 1.1 licence for xfree86 (by Penguin Domesticus on 2004-03-08 18:55:30 GMT)
Ok, I checked what the XFree86 guys themselves say about the new XFree86 license. Also they clearly agree that the new license is not GPL compatibie:
"What about GPL-compatibility? Is this license GPL compatible?
The 1.1 license is not GPL-compatible which means that the two programs cannot be combined into a larger work unless the authors of both works agree to this arrangement. That does not mean it cannot happen, it just means all parties must agree to it happening. We refer you to the GPL Faq for an in depth discussion of this issue.
To avoid issues with application programs such as KDE and GNOME and other X-based applications, that are licensed under the GPL, the 1.1 licence is not being applied to client side libraries."
And as it has been their own license before too, they have been able to change it regardless of GPL.
12 • "Newest Distributions" Box (by ladislav at 2004-03-08 22:58:26 GMT)
As you may have noticed, the box provides direct links to ISO images or download directories. Since Mandrake 10 is not available for download, it is not present in the "Latest Distributions" box.
13 • Re: OnebaseGo (by Lino at 2004-03-08 23:36:54 GMT)
"Think of Onebase Linux as more THAN your Gentoo, Lindows, Debian, Knoppix put together."
I can't agree with the above statement although I think OnebaseGo has its neat features. IMHO it still has a long way to go to reach the maturity of Knoppix even though it is based on Knoppix (so correct hardware detection is not a surprise here).
I will list some tips I and others found out in the following to help those who want to give it a spin.
-- There is only one user - root, and the passwd is one;
-- dhcpcd does not automatically run in boot process, so if you need it you have to run it manually.
-- Hit F2 at boot prompt you will see the Knoppix cheat codes.
-- If you want resolution of 1280x1024 you have to run "knoppix scrteen=1280x1024" as boot option. The Onebase dsplay configuration tool doesn't have this option.
14 • UFGentoo looks pretty intresting (by Josh on 2004-03-09 02:18:36 GMT)
An easy to use distro based on Gentoo is IMO in high demand. I cant wait :)
15 • Mandrake Download 10 (by Danny W. Burdick at 2004-03-09 02:31:44 GMT)
"Select All" finally in directorys
Much faster generally
Make sure to "UNCHECK" box hotplug when configuring network
connection or will fail to bring up eth0 on boot everytime!!
bittorrent included wooot!!!
mc installed by default (bout time) woooot!!!
changes to menu's actually make you wait while a bar gage
shows real time change occurring hurraaayyy
Much much better auto usb recognition....
Overall a helluva good upgrade....
will beat on it some more nonstop before going mission load....
tnx for listening...
16 • Re:UFGentoo...(by Josh) (by Sergio on 2004-03-09 09:26:03 GMT)
I couldn't agree more. There must be a high demand of user friendly source distros, IMO, especially now, with modern computers compiling times getting shorter and shorter.
17 • phpSolution (by maurizio omissoni ome GmbH, zu at 2004-03-09 11:56:13 GMT)
in the last distrowatch monthly was mentioned phpSolution from poland. in the beginning, the site was working, even though i tried ten times to download the iso file but download always was interrupted. now the download-link leads to nirwana (404).
ladislav was informed but nothing happened.
18 • RE: PHP Solutions (by ladislav at 2004-03-09 13:50:10 GMT)
A "phpsollive" directory now appeared on ibiblio: ftp://ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/phpsollive/ , so presumably, they are in the process of moving the file over there.
Besides, you can't hold me responsible for 404s on any third party web site. Perhaps you should have informed PHP Solutions itself?
19 • Kudos to Distrowatch (by PPearson on 2004-03-09 14:02:17 GMT)
Ladislav, this is perhaps my favorite site on the web - I've been reading it mostly every day for about a year now. I've recommended it to several folks with whom I work who are interested in LInux. The best part is that you've improved my social standing tremendously - I can quite casually say "You're looking for the 2.6 kernel? You know, Mandrake 10 is the first "major" distro to release with 2.6. I've never used it, but you might be interested." I'm now a guru! ;-)
20 • Mandrake 10 (by geert at 2004-03-09 14:38:54 GMT)
I've installed Mandrake 10 rc, and it is very good..
Installed it on an scrapyard 450 Mhz, 300 Mb pentium computer , aside of Windows 98 se, 20 G Harddisk (5 G for Mandrake)
Startup used to be sluggish, now it beats W98. Setup of everything went like a breeze, except for the identification of my sound card, but I did not invesitgate this.
What is truly amazing is the internet and network installation. It used to be a difficult aim and miss affair for a newbie like me. Now iI suimply did not install everything. It worked out of the box. Beating by lentghs every window and mac I worked with.
21 • RE: OnebaseGo (by jlowell at 2004-03-09 19:55:12 GMT)
I mean really, will there ever be a time that the author of this distro gives pride of place to substance over hype. From the appearances you'd think he'd gotten his computer science experience as a copywriter at J. Walter Thompson or BBD&O. What could be clearer than that the trend is down for this distro:
6 months - 49
3 months - 53
1month - 77
Time for a new approach? Perhaps one in which users aren't viewed simply as objects of a promotion?
22 • Re:Re:OnebaseGo (by jlowell) (by Sergio at 2004-03-09 20:29:31 GMT)
I don't quite agree with you.
I don't see myself 'simply as an object of promotion'
I am known in the linux world for freely expressing my opinions, quite often making enemies in the process.
Clearly OnebaseGo still needs some polish, being only the first release.
But the idea behind it is good and I believe we should support it.
23 • Onebase (by andrew at 2004-03-09 20:46:52 GMT)
I haven't tried OnebaseGo yet, but 2004r1 version brought quite a few improvements and bug fixes and is generally solid. Waiting for user friendly source distro? It's here right now...
24 • Mandrake & Suse (by Sergio at 2004-03-09 20:53:57 GMT)
I am a member of Mandrake club, but I am also a Suse user.
I have installed Mandrake 10.
It is not bad at all, but it has quite a few bugs (one example: some apps won't start) and a few missing features: Xfce4, some missing libraries (I can't install Qtparted)...
All in all it is very hard to beat Suse: it is very complete, extremely well integrated...
True, kde feels a bit slow and bloated, but kde 3.2 and kernel 2.6 should improve things a lot.
Besides, whilst apt4rpm is not officially supported by Suse, it is a true blessing nonetheless.
25 • RE: OnebaseGo (by jlowell at 2004-03-09 22:20:46 GMT)
"I don't quite agree with you.
I don't see myself 'simply as an object of promotion'"
There is, of course, the old story of the frog that is placed in a pan of water on a stove. If the heat underneath him is turned up slowly enough, he will become innured to the fact that he in any danger at all and will stay in the water oblivious to any danger. I would submit to you with all due respect that perhaps the difference in outlook between the two of us can be explained somewhat similarly. Could it be that you've been in the water for seven months now whereas in my case only one month was required to size things up?
"I am known in the linux world for freely expressing my opinions, quite often making enemies in the process"
Frankly, I would be hard put to find offense in anything you've said here, Sergio. On the contrary, your comments seem almost like those of the Mother Of God when compared to the typical abuse one encounters on such snakepits as the LFS mailing list, for example.
"Clearly OnebaseGo still needs some polish, being only the first release.
But the idea behind it is good and I believe we should support it."
Suit yourself, but when you find yourself actually trusting the dates promised to you for new releases at Onebase, know that you've stayed in the pan too long, OK?
26 • Re:OnebaseGo (by jlowell) (by Sergio at 2004-03-09 23:22:38 GMT)
Fair enough, but this of the release dates is a very common issue for (most) linux distros.
I could write a long list of 'culprits', but rather not.
At least Onebase has had quite a few releases since it was born, but I know of distros which never released or which, after more than a year, must still release a 'stable' version.
After all we are talking about unpaid developers.
Suse of course will be fairly punctual, but they are a business after all.
27 • RE: OneBaseGo (by jlowell at 2004-03-10 02:08:12 GMT)
"Fair enough, but this of the release dates is a very common issue for (most) linux distros.
I could write a long list of 'culprits', but rather not."
To argue that the author of Onebase is somehow exempt from the responsibility of keeping his word simply because others don't keep theirs is hardly meritorious, Sergio. The thief is less guilty of his thievery because there are many thieves? There's a context for these things and, just because gifted people in too many instances prefer to embrace the notion that their talents somehow give them clearance from the responsibilties that make just claims upon us all, doesn't, in fact, give them clearance from them in any way. You're worrying me now, Sergio. Have you stayed in the pan too long? :-)
"At least Onebase has had quite a few releases since it was born, but I know of distros which never released or which, after more than a year, must still release a 'stable' version".
Yes, there have been countless releases of Onebase since July of last year, far too many, in fact, all symptomatic of the fact that the distro had been brought too early and all accompanied by the most misleading twaddle. On at least two occasions the distro's author simply disappeared from his forums without notice creating real doubt about Onebase's continued existence. And, of course, the many phoney release date claims. This, in my opinion, is an environment for suitable for guena pigs, not human beings. I'd rather be made part of a distro than the object of one, thank you. And its hard to escape this latter impression of Onebase, frankly.
In any event, Onebase notwithstanding, wishing you well personally.
28 • Re: OneBaseGo (by palvarez at 2004-03-10 03:34:09 GMT)
I am hopeful that this effort odesn't fall to the way side. Despite the problems listed by the folks in previous posts with release dates and such, the Live CD seemed very polished. And the docking capability lets me remaster CDs easily. I'll try to help in forums when I can, I hope others try to chip in as well. It's the least I can do to support a good free product....
29 • OnebaseGo (by jlowell) (by Sergio at 2004-03-10 11:28:24 GMT)
"Wishing you well personally"
Same to you :-)
30 • OnebaseGo (by Juan T. on 2004-03-14 09:01:17 GMT)
Thanks to the above discussions about OnebaseGo, I took interest on it and I have tested it. It is still early to conclude, but I have a strong feeling that the work of Onebase could be one main line of research of Linux developpers for the future.
Most of the linux users are (as I am) former users of proprietary OS (Operative Systems), that wanted to have an alternative OS. It was not only a matter of money, but of freedom to choose 'another' OS (the lack of competence prevents a real improvement in any human field). In fact, at the end I have spend much more money buying Linux distributions and burning CDs, than buying proprietary OSs.
The main problem was the difficulty to learn another OS while using the proprietary one. The need to repartition disks and the correspondent risk to pay in terms of data losses in case of mistake do not helped neither.
But the irruption of better and better 'Linux live CDs' made it more easy. At first time they came with the option to 'anchor' to a disk (remember Demolinux), but at present, thanks mainly to Knoppix, everyone may test a very complete Linux system without risk, and may go ahead installing it.
The step OnebaseGo represents is highly interesting because on the opposite side to Knoppix (which for practical reasons -completness, up-to-date, easy to manage- is still my favorite), OnebaseGo admits modifications and remastering to produce your own distribution by means of its 'docking' step.
The installlation of packages and applications to the 'docked' system is very easy. The files are up-to-date, because they are downloaded when needed from the network. It offers the possibility to reproduce your own OS in any computer.
The only difficulty I have encountered is to find the shorcut of Open Office after downloading it and including it on the system. But I hope thinks like this could be easyly solved in future versions.
As a merely end 'user' (and supporter) of Linux I encourage Onebase to follow improving this product because it fits the needs and expectations of a lot of people like me that are still not good enough to develope, but want to have the best Linux in their computers.
31 • like to try Novell Live CD trialware (by Andrew waddington at 2004-10-28 03:23:24 GMT)
please forgive me for my lack of indepth knowhow into Linux and PCs
I have an old NEC LaVie PC98 which has W98 Japanese V
I was wondering if I could add and change it by downloading some linux or other trialware I have internet Hspeed conxn, 2gb HD, 64MB M, mmx pentium.
I usually use PC for E-mail and Net ,but wish to learn more about securing the W98.
Thank you for your ideas
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