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1 • bittorrent behind firewalls. (by Tatusmi at 2004-02-23 15:52:10 GMT) |
just a quick comment on what you said about users not being able to use bittorrent behind firewalls, it can be used and I've been doing it ever since it came out! You just need to allow port 6881 to transfer data to your computer. Here's a quote from the offical bittorrent site:
"I'm behind a firewall/NAT, can I use BitTorrent? Yes, but you will get better performance if other peers can connect to you. By default, BitTorrent listens on port 6881, trying incrementially higher ports if it's unable to bind, and gives up after 6889 (the port range is configurable). It's up to you to figure out how to poke a hole in your firewall/NAT."
It will work, users just have to configure their computers to allow it to work!
2 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2004-02-23 16:22:15 GMT)
"Mirrors are not always easy to find, but places such as ibiblio.org, tuwien.ac.at, sunet.se or planetmirror.com already host a large number of distributions, so a polite request for hosting yours is unlikely to be refused."
ftp.heanet.ie also hosts a fair number of distributions, and tends to be pretty quick for downloads. Just another option for distro developers to consider.
3 • Live CD (by MixMatch at 2004-02-23 16:34:32 GMT)
You did not mention this, but Mandrake and SuSE both offer liveCDs now... although they cannot be used themselves to make a hard disk installation, at least to my knowledge...
Sorcerer does not post news items because they do not release traditional distribution versions. The idea is that whatever iso you have can be used to get started and you can update your system from there.
4 • Kurumin (by Sergio at 2004-02-23 17:31:03 GMT)
I found a torrent link to Kurumin Games (and BTW, Ladislav, downloading with BitTorrent no problem, both with Windows and Linux-I have the Suse Firewall)
I was absolutely impressed.
Pity that (to my knowledge) it is only in Portuguese.
I wonder if they are going to translate it into English, it would be a shame not to.
5 • Kurumin, live cds (by Andrew at 2004-02-23 22:53:34 GMT)
I just tried Kurumin and my impression was, wow, I'd love to try using this thing - if only I could get it to switch to English! As is it, I'd have to first download KDE's english language pack, and since my NIC apparently wasn't recognized, I had to way of installing it, and no way of fixing the problem either - because I couldn't even figure out how to log in as root (what's the password?!?)
But it looks great - slick desktop, nice admin tools and great concept - small download (under 200mb), then install what you want... looks like it would be easy to install on HD, too.
Which brings me to my second point: Live CDs. Yes, for me they are first and foremost much improved installers. When I heard about Knoppix, my first thought was, "great - here's a way of installing Debian without battling their stupid installer!" For my own use, being able to run a system from a CD is merely icing on the cake, and one I hardly ever use at that.
6 • DistroWatch Weekly icon (by K on 2004-02-23 22:58:36 GMT)
Has Skolelinux icon has taken over the DistroWatch Weekly icon on the front page? It is certainly the case at this moment....
7 • Oops (by K on 2004-02-23 22:59:21 GMT)
A redundent "has" in my previous messages has occured.
8 • Re: Kurumin (by Andrew at 2004-02-23 23:25:09 GMT)
Sergio, and anyone else interested in trying Kurumin - consider doing what I just did: writing to creators of Kurumin and asking them for English support! You never know - they might be willing if they see there is interest...
9 • RE: Kurumin password (by ladislav at 2004-02-23 23:48:49 GMT)
You can set a new root password by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F2, then typing 'passwd' at the prompt. Once done, you can get back to your graphical screen by pressing Ctrl+Alt+F7.
10 • Damn Small Linux II (by Anonymous on 2004-02-24 00:22:09 GMT)
There's been a drastic change in DSL that makes it effectively worthless for console-based usage. The few utilities it had were replaced with an extremely light (or stripped) build of busybox. I'm not bashing busybox, just DSL for not giving us just a little bit more -- of anything. I mean come on, a few kb more you could have netcat or tabs in top... or maybe at least one parameter on any command...
Since dillo and toram are all DSL has going for it, from my perspective, I have no problem carrying only LNX-BBC. A damn fine bootable buisness card that includes 1,000+ console utilities and even a few for X.
11 • RE:RE: Kurumin (by Andrew) (by Sergio at 2004-02-24 01:31:19 GMT)
Thanks. Good Idea. I'll do.
12 • Re: Damn Small Linux II (by Anonymous) (by Sergio at 2004-02-24 05:24:28 GMT)
John is a very nice guy, but he has this obsession with 'very small' ('damn small', actually) and he won't listen that a bit of more flexibility with size could make wonders.
That has been beautifully achieved by Feather linux, which 'looks' similar to DSL, but it is ways better, IMHO.
And then you have Kurumin, which I guess you could still consider 'smallish' and it is a dream.
13 • No subject (by all4one on 2004-02-24 06:08:56 GMT)
Onebase Linux 2004-r1 is not yet released. It should be in the upcoming release list.
Please wait for official ISO until it is announced publicly.
14 • Re:Damn Small Linux II (by Anonymous at 2004-02-24 10:01:12 GMT)
What is Damn Small Linux?
Damn Small Linux is a business card size (50MB) bootable Live CD Linux distribution. Despite its minuscule size it strives to have a functional and easy to use desktop.
I think the key words there are 50MB and desktop.
15 • RE:Re: Damn Small Linux II (by Anonymous) (by Sergio at 2004-02-24 10:41:57 GMT)
Yes, that is exactly the point: as a desktop it is useless. It is only a toy (not even a very nice one)
It doesn't even setup X properly.
Why Feather Linux, with a few MB more can be so much better?
Have you tried both?
And why this obsession with a business card size CD?
Who uses them? I have never seen one in my life and I live in a large city!
16 • Damn Small (by MixMatch on 2004-02-24 11:37:06 GMT)
Excuse me. I think I hear you bashing a guy for making something the way he likes it. Just because you and I don't use 'business card cds' doesn't mean nobody does. You have obviously discovered that there are many, many, many linux distributions available. Clearly, if you don't like one distribution, you can go to another... As a matter of fact, that is one of the primary reasons I use Distrowatch. With statements like "as a desktop it is useless" makes it clear that your opinion is useless.
17 • Giant List of LiveCDs (by Scott on 2004-02-24 13:30:43 GMT)
As reported on Slashdot almost a week ago, someone came up with a giant list of LiveCDs. I've tried googleing for livecds and have never been able to come up with such a huge list.
Check it out at http://www.frozentech.com/content/livecd.php
Anyone interested in adding them all into Distrowatch? :)
18 • Re: Damn Small Linux II (by original thread poster on 2004-02-24 13:43:49 GMT)
Someone said it above, he's a nice guy and this is the way he wanted the project to go. We're critiquing the project, not bashing the guy.
He envisioned a graphical desktop on the 50mb format with as many of the smallest graphical utilities that would fit. Everyone has their favorite apps and you'd be hard to find them, because each app chosen for a particular task was picked by size and category.. (spreadsheet, word, paint, burn..) So, full featured isn't in the equasion, just necessity for the x-based workstation.
My opinion on the distribution was regarding the console based functionality. Busybox fit perfectly with the theme.. include the tools, but cut the functionality for size. (for example, you have ls but not display -w wide format with -h human sizes) This fits excellent with the theme, but I felt this last release finally crossed the line for advanced recovery.
I would rate it for intermediate recovery.. mount and burn, both of which you could do in x. I draw the line when I say advanced, b/c you can't tar + gz + nc one system to another or grab a hex editor and set the partition tables straight. For those operations, I highly recommend LNX-BBC.
Regarding the other distrobutions, I haven't tried them all and I enjoy doing so. All the BBC and 3" distros are fine pieces of work. They are usually designed for the author or project team's needs, but we should all appreciate their effort to provided compatibility with other machines and distribute them.
Comments along the lines of "if you don't like it then stop complainging and use something else" are not constructive. Anyone who critiques or flat out says they're not using something, is already using something. If you do like a project, provide positive crticisim and contrast your views with others. The authors appreciate the good and the bad (sometimes). ;)
(original thread poster)
19 • Tiny Linux Fetish (by Anonymous on 2004-02-24 13:57:03 GMT)
Who doesn't like cute little CDs? Sure, everyone has a hard drive, but these things are fun to play with. I only have 210mb cd-r & cdrw, so I usually have 150mb of free space.. still not sure what to do with it.
Collect them all. :)
20 • DamnSmall Linux (by Sergio at 2004-02-24 19:34:09 GMT)
I didn't want to offend John in any way.
When I said he is a nice guy I really meant it.
He is always there to help and he is very talented.
I wanted only to 'encourage' him to be 'more flexible with size'
But, hey, at the end of the day it is his distro.
21 • PClinuxOS (by tyga on 2004-02-24 19:39:03 GMT)
I was and still am, very impressed with PClinuxOS. I tried out Preview 4 and it detected all my hardware right away with no hastles, this is the first distro to do this. I have an nforce2 and an ATI radeon which have until now always been a hastle with linux OS's. Unfortunately the hard drive install didnt go so well but I think this is due to it being preview 4, I'll get preview 5 and try again. Cant wait until its fully mature.
Many thanks go to Texstar, great job.
22 • Re: Tiny Linux Fetish (by Anonymous) (by Sergio at 2004-02-24 19:46:03 GMT)
You really touched a sensitive area, there.
There aren't many distro designed to fit 210 MB CDs.
And yet they could become very popular, IMHO.
As I already said, Kurumin is a very good instance, if only they make an English version.
23 • Kurumin Linux (by Homeyzzz at 2004-02-24 20:19:45 GMT)
Wow,what a very nice intuitive and polished distro.
Managed to install it and apt-get install English(Kindof)
A English version of this distro would be a permenant install.
24 • Re: Tiny Linux Fetish (by Anonymous on 2004-02-24 21:22:18 GMT)
Something I would like to find.. a rewritable business card.. yeaah
25 • Sergio's Feather Linux (by Anonymous at 2004-02-24 22:14:25 GMT)
Sergio keeps posting everywhere how great Feather Linux is.
Everytime I have downloaded it, too many things are broken to be useful. They are listed in their "problems" section of their support board. Yet another new release with a few more apps. But not the fixes we are waiting for. I guess it is always easier to add a few apps than to fix the outstanding issues. And Sergio, Feather copied the X programs and setup from John's Damn Small Linux. So much for your claims and bashing the system that was copied from.
26 • Re: Sergio's Feather Linux (by Anonymous) (by Sergio at 2004-02-24 23:11:59 GMT)
My understanding is that Feather is based on a more recent version of Knoppix.
I have two computers: a 2 years old laptop and a brandnew desktop.
Feather will configure correctly everything on both (the most impressive feature being that it will put ABSOLUTELY everything in the lilo menu).
DSL will fail to configure X on my desktop.
So obviously they cannot be the same.
Besides I'd like to know where I am posting 'everywhere' how great Feather is, except for this issue of Distrowatch Weekly and for the Feather linux forum itself (posted there only a couple of times).
And finally I have already said that I appreciate the work that John has done and still does. This should be enough, I believe.
27 • Re: Sergio's Feather Linux (by Anonymous) (by Anonymous on 2004-02-25 01:14:59 GMT)
Sergio, You first made those claims on Linux.com when Damn Small was reviewed. The lilo claim is a Knoppix feature nothing to do with Feather. The latest Damn Small has inheirted the same lilo features from the Knoppix upgrade. Damn Small Linux was the FIRST to use Kdrive Tiny X server in a Knoppix environment. Flonix and Feather among others COPIED that work. Now, Damn Small Linux is the FIRST to use Busybox in a Knoppix environment. Pretty amazing that all the familiar desktop programs work in the new environment. Damn Small continues to pioneer. and continues to be damn small.
28 • Re: Sergio's Feather Linux (by Anonymous) (by Sergio on 2004-02-25 03:34:33 GMT)
Your main concern seems to be that DSL was 'COPIED' (you are shouting that)
That happens with linux, I am afraid.
Mandrake 'copied' Red Hat and now it has more users and a much better desktop, IMHO.
The GPL allows competition and therefore improvement, thanks goodness.
Otherwise today we would have only 3 or 4 distros at most.
29 • Re: Sergio's Feather Linux (by Anonymous) (by Anonymous on 2004-02-25 07:41:03 GMT)
I am sure that you will want the last word, that seems to be a given. But, YOU, made the claim that DSL doesn't setup X properly whereas Feather does. Yet those are the very programs that were copied including all the setup screens. Then you say thats OK because of the GPL. Then you bring up how other distro that copied the orginal are better. Maybe because Feather run everything as root and still has broken programs that I cannot take it seriously. it is obvious that we have a difference of opinon. Enjoy your Feathers, but don't bite the hand that feeds you.
30 • DSL (by MixMatch on 2004-02-25 11:02:46 GMT)
my point was that there is a line between critiquing a distribution and insulting it, and Sergio crossed it. That has nothing to do with the actual discussion over whether or noth DSL developer made a good decision, or what features Feather has or does not have. Every distribution on the market has a distinct purpose and targeted userbase. Its not like Micro$oft, which strives to take over the computer industry with its product.
DSL says nowhere that its purpose is a rescue cd. In that respect, don't expect it to be one. Instead, use:
If I said DSL doesn't provide the 'full' desktop experience for me, so it sucks, then I would just be talking rubbish. Why? Well, that is clearly not the point.
All that to say, if you don't like the way things are done in a distributions, you should give feeback to the development community, not go around the community sites bashing the distro. The least you could do is encourage the community to try to convince the developer(s) to change things to what is best for everybody...
As for me, I don't use binary distributions anymore. I'm happly running sorcerer on my boxen, and they are configured just the way I like them. Personally I got tired of going through the update process every time a new version of a distribution was released. Rather than going around bashing all the binary distributions because they didn't do things the way I thought was best, I simply switched over. That is not some radical recommendation, it is the logical thing to do when you do not like a disribution, or find one that is better.
31 • About bashing distros and human beings. (by Sergio on 2004-02-25 12:25:05 GMT)
Nobody noticed that I had tried to apologize, explain and cool things down.
Instead they had to carry on.
I call this 'real bashing'
I also stated clearly that I wish John were more flexible with size.
This is in my opinion constructive criticism.
If I bother to spend my time it means that I had found much positive about that distro.
When I never mention a distro it means either that I have never tried it or that I found it such a rubbish that it is not worth my time.
And finally it wouldn't be such a bad idea if you could run LiveCDs as root by default, because you 'might' want to use them as rescue CD, even if they were not made specifically for that purpose. And besides, what do you risk?
32 • Business Card Distro's (by anon on 2004-02-25 23:51:17 GMT)
The problem with all these business card distros is that buying blank business card CD's is quite difficult in some countries!! I haven't been able to find these in Sydney (Australia), so I use the cute looking 210meg CD's.
Would you even trust a business card CD in your wallet? I recon it would last a few weeks before it would be warped or scratched.
I'd prefer all these "Under 50meg" distro's convert to being "Under 210meg" giving the users more with the only downside being you can't have it on a small CD.
What about Business Card sized DVD's?? How much space would that be? I'm estimating around 300megs, why not prepare for this by raising the bar to 210megs while we wait for CD's to be completely replaced by DVD's...
33 • Re:Business Card Distros (by anon) (by FedUpPenguin on 2004-02-26 02:26:07 GMT)
The voice of common sense.
Don't expect many developers to follow your advice yet, because at the moment it is not 'cool' to do so.
Fashion, empty dogmas and fanatic devotion to your favourite distro are some of the pleasures you can enjoy in the wonderful world of Linux.
34 • Re: DSL (by MixMatch on 2004-02-25 11:02:46 GMT) (by jlowell at 2004-02-26 04:57:50 GMT)
"Rather than going around bashing all the binary distributions because they didn't do things the way I thought was best, I simply switched over. That is not some radical recommendation, it is the logical thing to do when you do not like a disribution, or find one that is better."
Switching from anywhere else to Sorcerer is logical? :-)
35 • Kurumin screenshot (by bhhenry at 2004-02-26 05:28:58 GMT)
What is that incredible transparent icon bar above kicker in the Kurumin screenshot? I must have it ;)
36 • RE:Kurumin screenshot (by bhhenry) (by Sergio on 2004-02-26 05:39:48 GMT)
It is beautiful indeed and wait until you have seen the real thing!
37 • Another benefit of live-CDs: (by Vintermann at 2004-02-26 11:20:03 GMT)
There is a lot of weird hardware out there, and it can appear in a gazillion different configurations. A standard linux installation CD is usually used on one machine or a dozen very homogenous machines. Live CD's however, are usually tested on ever machine the owner can (safely ;-) lay his hands on.
This should provide an excellent resource to debug hardware detection and initialization scripts. The larger the "installation" base, the more bugs are detected. That is why even Red Hat should have a live-CD IMHO. They help discover the trouble areas, not just for the careful laptop buyer, but for the distribution maintainers.
38 • Little CD Fetish (by CDNut on 2004-02-26 13:00:58 GMT)
My comment about what to do with the 150mb of free space when buring a 50mb distro to a 3" wasn't for the developers. I'm wondering what _I_ could use that space for when rebuilding the ISO. That's enough room for a base + network install of Slackware 9.1 and 50mb to spare, but that doesn't fit the little CD's purpose. 150mb could hold Perl Jam Ten and two other albums.
Other ideas: saving img.gz files of important floppies (boot dics, distro install discs, dos discs), eBooks (i'm not really into that, but i have plenty of documentation I could squeeze in), someone mentioned VMWare.. fitting in a nice virtual machine would be sueet
39 • Small is not only for the size of the CD (by grep4me on 2004-02-28 07:12:48 GMT)
One thing that is cool about the very small LiveCDs is the ability to run them entirely in ram. Did you ever try to run Knoppix3.3 with the "toram" boot option. What kind of a monster machine would you need. So the smaller the distro the quicker and less ram you need to run "silently" entirely in ram. Now that's cool.
40 • Re: Small is not only for...(by grep4me) (by FedUpPenguin on 2004-02-28 16:48:04 GMT)
Actually I have run GNUstep in RAM, and it is not that small. I have even played games!
41 • Kurumin in English (by Carlos E. Morimoto at 2004-02-29 00:12:25 GMT)
The main objective of Kurumin is to provide a very localized distro, combining descritive menus, scripts to automatize the most used tasks, precompiled drivers for various pheripherals common here in Brazil and so on.
There is already a lot o excelent english distribuitions, so I prefer to concentrate the development in providing a good localized distro, than to provide just another general one
But you can install kde-18n and locale via apt-get to get international support, it is very easy afther an HD install. The great problem is to internacionalize the config scripts, because there is no many of then, almost 400 on 2.20.
42 • Re: Kurumin in English (by Carlos E. Morimoto) (by Sergio at 2004-02-29 01:58:49 GMT)
First of all thanks a lot for posting here and congratulations for what is one of best live CDs, if not one of the best distros I have ever tried (and believe me, I have tried many)
If it were in English I'd install it on my HD and I'd happily buy Kurumin, if you made a commercial edition.
I don't want to sound pompous, but you are nothing short of a genius if you can make something so beautiful and polished on your own.
I have done what you suggest,installing kde-18n, but it doesn't help very much, because most things remain in Portuguese, beautiful language, but for somebody who doesn't understand it...
I wonder if you could find somebody who understands Portuguese and whose first language is English to volunteer for the translation. Unfortunately my mother tongue is Italian and my second one is English, otherwise I'd volunteer myself.
43 • Any Gentoo Live CD? (by Jalil on 2004-02-29 05:18:51 GMT)
Is there any Live CD for Gentoo (or FreeBSD) which is similar to Knoppix, would love to try it as well.
44 • Re:Any Gentoo Live CD? (by Jalil) (by Sergio on 2004-02-29 06:09:32 GMT)
I am afraid that the answer is 'no' (generally speaking)
There is an experimental kde/gnome Gentoo LiveCD, but it is very buggy and I can't make it work.
Jollix is the nearest you can get to a Gentoo LiveCD.
Or else UT or America's army Live were made by Gentoo.
As to BSDs I know that somebody is making one (not sure which flavour of BSD) but I have no idea how long it will take.
45 • Jolix (a Gentoo based Live CD). (by Jalil on 2004-02-29 15:16:01 GMT)
Thanks Sergio for mentioning Jolix (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=Jolix), I'm downloading it at the moment.
46 • Re:Jollix (byJalil) (by Sergio on 2004-02-29 19:12:36 GMT)
You are welcome! :-)
47 • • Re: Tiny Linux Fetish (by Anonymous on 2004-02-24 21:22:18 GMT) (by oprogue at 2004-08-21 16:13:28 GMT)
21mb RWs?! YES -> http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Browse/sku.asp?PageType=1&Sku=482210&bcFlag=True&bcSCatId=3&bcSCatName=Technology&bcCatId=42&bcCatName=Computer+Media&bcDeptId=1881&bcDeptName=CD%2DR%2FRW&bcClassId=141448&bcClassName=CD%2DRW
...now if only someone can tell me how to build an iso to burn to the darn thing.
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|• Issue 668 (2016-07-04): Fedora 24, Linux Mint plans for 18.1, FreeBSD and DragonFly BSD improve their file systems, comparing Flatpak, Snap and AppImage|
|• Issue 667 (2016-06-27): GeckoLinux 421, Fedora supports Flatpak, Solus unveils new features, running GNU/Linux on tablets|
|• Issue 666 (2016-06-20): Comparing more live update methods, Ubuntu's snap packages, Antergos drops 32-bit media, GeckoLinux unveils Rolling edition, learning Linux resources|
|• Issue 665 (2016-06-13): BunsenLabs Linux Hydrogen, Fedora 24 delayed, NetBSD grows in size, Clonezilla questions|
|• Issue 664 (2016-06-06): Sabayon 16.05, Debian updates install media, the cost of free software, Qubes explains secure build process|
|• Issue 663 (2016-05-30): Comparing live update methods, Ubuntu MATE's progress, distros debate systemd change, DistroWatch turns 15|
|• Issue 662 (2016-05-23): Clonezilla Live, new Fedora community repository, DragonFlyBSD runs Wayland, a live edition of Slackware and kernel components|
|• Issue 661 (2016-05-16): FreeBSD 10.3, OpenMandriva adopts Clang, Debian adds ZFS packages, PCLinuxOS drops 32-bit and comparing CentOS with RHEL|
|• Issue 660 (2016-05-09): Ubuntu MATE 16.04, Mint's xapps, FreeBSD Quarterly Report, Debian updates 32-bit support, addressing GPL violations|
|• Issue 659 (2016-05-02): Ubuntu 16.04, compiling custom kernels, Cinnamon 3.0, Sabayon launches ARM build, Devuan ships Beta release|
|• Issue 658 (2016-04-25): Kali Linux 2016.1, elementary OS 0.3.2, Debian elects Project Leader, Fedora 24 feature preview, Nard reaches 1.0|
|• Full list of all issues|
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