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1 • Ankur Bandgal Screenshot (by AMD on 2004-01-06 01:33:01 GMT) |
Wishes for the New Year !
Had to search quite a few mirrors before I could read this issue of DW.
It seems like the screenshot shown as the one for Ankur Bangla is not in Bengali language :) Could you make the correction please?Btw, one can view screenshots of Ankur Bangla at
2 • JAMD Linux and XDefine (by PastorEd at 2004-01-06 01:56:02 GMT)
Hello, fellow readers of Distrowatch.
The reason I'm writing today - to clear up any misconceptions about my thoughts on JAMD vs. XDefine Linux.
Why am I posting this here? Because I was the one who first brought up the subject on the JAMD forums... so in a way, this whole topic of conversation is my *fault/baby/thread/whatever*.
The history - I'm an avid user of JAMD in its original concept - I've installed it onto my wife's computer (and I *accidentally* wiped out her Windoze drive in the process...), and SHE is the one who actually uses JAMD on a daily basis. I put it on there so that I wouldn't have to worry about her computer... and she is by no means a Linux guru (neither am I). However, she's been running it for about a half a year without any major problems. In fact, the ONLY problems she's had with JAMD have been when I tried to "help" her. On her own, she's been fine.
I also happen to subscribe to a mailing list that mentioned a new distro one day... XDefine Linux. Out of curiosity, I went to their website, and I was very surprised to find the name of JAMD's developer listed as "Chief Technical Officer".
I wasn't sure if it was the same person or not... so I asked the JAMD community if anybody knew anything.
No one did.
it turns out that Jim's name WAS listed for a while... but was then removed. I ALSO noticed that the person listed as the "Chief Design Officer" was mentioned on kde-look.org... so, I asked HIM if he could tell me anything about XDefine.
It turns out that HE wasn't working for XDefine EITHER. He had been contracted to do some graphics work for them (a neat icon set at kde-look.org - search for XDefine to find it)... but he definitely stated that he was NOT working for them.
Hmm. Two people, listed as "Chief Officers", neither of which actually seem to work for the company? Which, it turns out, doesn't actually HAVE a distro of Linux available for purchase?
I can conclude only one thing: VAPORWARE.
I am very sorry for ever having brought up the question in the first place, because I certainly don't want to malign one of my favorite distributions of Linux, one that taught me more about running Linux than any other.
In answer specifically to Ladislav's comment above: "Should they inform us about the project's status and any major changes to it? After all, many of them make no money from it and we are not paying customers, so why bother? On the other hand, there are human considerations - honesty and openness, especially in what we often perceive as our more honest and open world of Linux development, free of commercial considerations."
Now, as far as I know, Jim has not released an "official project roadmap". However, I HAVE read his comments over and over again - JAMD is NOT intended for the bleeding-edge Linux power user. It was designed so that Jim, who was affiliated with an Open Source consulting group, could give people a distro which WORKED for average computer users.
I have also seen him comment on a number of occasions to people who wanted newer, better, shinier, prettier packages... "perhaps JAMD is not for you."
I have said this on the JAMD forums, in internet chat rooms, and to people face to face: if you want to tinker around with Linux, there are lots of different distributions you can play with. But when you actually want to USE Linux to get your everyday work done... try JAMD.
This is me, stepping off my soapbox now. Thanks for listening.
3 • Do you feel comfortable using one of the "one-man" distributions? (by J. J. Ramsey at 2004-01-06 02:02:41 GMT)
Not really. I'm arguably using one at the moment, since I'm running Slackware, but that there is no clear answer to the question "What happens if Patrick Volkerding gets hit by a bus?" does bug me a bit.
(I suppose that's part of why I've been interested in UserLinux, but that's another story.)
4 • Ankur Bangla screenshot (by ladislav at 2004-01-06 02:18:50 GMT)
You are right - I think I uploaded a wrong screenshot. I'll see if I can find the correct one.
5 • JAMD, Slackware (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2004-01-06 17:10:29 GMT)
Ahh, news about two of my all time favorites. (I saw the name PastorEd and was a bit surprised, hehe.)
I never really thought of Slackware as a one-man distro. To me, it seems just as spread out as all the other distros. I mean, Patrick Volkerding doesn't make these programs, he just compiles the source. Linux is quite a different animal in that way. But as for comfort? With the GPL, there's never any reason to worry. Now the real question is this: What if you're using some Windows software and support is dropped for it?
6 • me and JAMD (by PastorEd at 2004-01-06 22:37:09 GMT)
I thought I'd better clear something up: I don't know why anyone would be surprised at my posting here... but I'm not officially affiliated with JAMD in any way. I'm just an avid fan of it (it's converted my wife to a regular Linux user).
Just so you know.
7 • Re: JAMD, Slackware (by J. J. Ramsey at 2004-01-07 00:29:04 GMT)
"I never really thought of Slackware as a one-man distro. To me, it seems just as spread out as all the other distros. I mean, Patrick Volkerding doesn't make these programs, he just compiles the source."
By that standard, JAMD isn't a one-man distro either!
Let's face it; just because the source is out there doesn't mean it's in a form usable to us, especially when it comes to low-level and/or complex things like the Linux kernel, glibc, Mozilla, KDE, and GNOME. That's why Linux distributions exist; we rely on another party handle compilation*, choosing what software to distribute, design of the installer, and quality control. If that other party is a single person, then he/she can get hit by a bus, retire, burn out, and so on. If the other party is a group, then, all other things being equal, there is less chance that the distro it makes will go defunct.
*This applies even to Gentoo. Even though it is source-based, a Gentoo user needs *some* precompiled binaries to bootstrap things.
8 • JAMD and Xdefine Linux (by gabbman at 2004-01-07 01:19:34 GMT)
Good question Ladislav.
Jim's explaination of how he wanted to financially suplement his persoanl out of pocket expenses to carry on developing his 'dream' (my words), Shows the greatest downfall of the 'free' software licensing.
It's not free folks, it costs money, whether your a corporation like Xandros, or Mandrake, or a one man show like Jim Lucha, it costs money to put out a good product.
It's time more linux users started clicking paypal links rather then download iso links, or very soon all we will be left with is the Lindow's , Xandros, or other pay first distro's.
9 • Costs (by John Lowell at 2004-01-07 02:29:16 GMT)
Not to be contentious, but I find the noisy solicitation of funds to support Linux undertakings largely self-serving, frankly. If someone has something they feel moved to bring to the community, let them do so without the self-pity I see showcased on too many occasions. I mean who's to know what it's going to take to get one's project off the ground better than the person doing it, eh? If it requires money and you know that going in why kvetch later because it does? If you have something to offer by all means offer it, but be mature enough not to make public all of your "sacrificing". I don't think any of us are enlarged by that kind of thing, least of all the giver.
10 • Mandrake 10 Preview (by Leo on 2004-01-07 16:37:01 GMT)
It shouldn't be a surprise, it is OSNews after all. But the Mandrake 10 preview is just nosense: Cooker is not even in beta stage. There are still fundamental changes to be applied (as seen in the TODO list in the Wiki). Despite all of this, the reviewer complains for lack of polish and what not. Doh !
To me (I upgraded KDE to and XFree to current cooker), the fact that I can upgrade to the dev branch without screwing things up seriously speeks tons about reliability, and this is all I can expect at this point ...
11 • Linux CD (by David on 2004-01-08 15:12:31 GMT)
what about linuxcd.org on your site ... TuxCDS.com is too expensive And it's a real che.....at !!!!
12 • LitruX downloads (by John Korb at 2004-07-13 21:11:40 GMT)
LitruX doesn,t offer any downloads.
The ? is if they have it at all?
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