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1 • Gentoo (by Josh on 2003-12-16 04:51:23 GMT) |
:( Its been a good 2months and I still havent successfully installed Gentoo 1.4, even with GLIS (Gentoo Linux Install Script). I hope they port over anaconda to gentoo or maybe they can get a decent curse installer like Slackware.
2 • Popularity of DistroWatch.com (by W T Zhu on 2003-12-16 07:30:25 GMT)
It is noticeable that DistroWatch has recently become frequently quoted on http://linuxtoday.com/ :-)
3 • Gentoo (by bob at 2003-12-16 07:48:35 GMT)
As a newbie to Linux (using it for less than 2 weeks), I successfully installed Gento 1.4 from a LiveCD. It runs in init level 3 or something, I tried using telinit 6, but no luck. I don't think the first LiveCD has "X Server" or something like that? Please help, I want a window manager :p
4 • Don't write off Fedora yet (by CN on 2003-12-16 07:54:21 GMT)
I am sure that RedHat knows the importance of its "unofficial sales army". Fedora Core 1 is a transitional release. I hope Fedora Core 2 will be better. The release schedule of Fedora Core 2 has been release here:
5 • Whoever has problem with installing Gentoo (by fdavid on 2003-12-16 08:56:01 GMT)
If you just simply follow the installation manual of Gentoo it should lead to success. You don't even have to thoroughly understand the steps, but understanding the process makes it easier to carry out. The most critical point is configuring your own kernel. It's not always easy, but the essential settings are mentioned in the installation manual.
If you have problems with understanding the installation steps, configuring the kernel, or sg went wrong, you will find a plenty of helpful people in the Gentoo forums. I must admit, that I use Gentoo forums regulalrly as the main source of information, and I never had to open a new thread, because all the answers of my questions/problems were still there.
6 • Interest in Gentoo (by DB on 2003-12-16 10:41:58 GMT)
What "signs of abating interest" in Gentoo are you talking about?
7 • PHLAK is great..... (by Ronald L. Gibson at 2003-12-16 13:44:11 GMT)
My teacher for my networking class at Mission College uses and talks about Knoppix. I discovered it myself earlier this year. I showed him PHLAK and he says that he wants to use it to teach his networking and possibly the HTML class.
8 • Gentoo (by Nick at 2003-12-16 16:11:56 GMT)
Will someone please make a binary release of Gentoo with an anaconda installer? Please! Gentoo, are you listening? Fork your efforts and build the greatest distro and userbase ever.
9 • Binary Gentoo with anaconda??? (by Ernesto at 2003-12-16 18:50:33 GMT)
Why would you want a "binary release" of a "source based" distro?
Maybe you should look for another distro... one that has binary releases and anaconda... mhm...
10 • The Year of the Linux Live CDs indeed. (by sevengraff at 2003-12-16 22:45:41 GMT)
Knoppix is my favorite distro, and I'm very glad so many other people like it too, but I find it amazing how many people have remastered it into their own tool. Knoppix.net only lists those available to others, I wonder how many other Knoppix Customizations are out there just being used by its authors.
11 • 2 cents (by nurd on 2003-12-16 23:47:31 GMT)
I agree with Ernesto, If you want binary packages and anaconda there is RedHat/Fedora and soon to be debian. You might want to also look at Arch. They have a good package system with pacman, and the ability to make your own packages with abs. Making a distro is a lot of work, not to mention forking it. If you don't like how a distro works, make your own. There is always Linux From Scratch. As for bob telinit 6 is shutdown. If you read gentoo's great documentation it will explain how to install it and set up most common desktop options. I hope this helps everyone move in the right directions.
When in doubt, RTFM.
12 • Slackware just for "geeks?" (by slackhack on 2003-12-17 02:35:34 GMT)
i came to slackware after briefly trying mandrake9 and red hat9. i almost gave up on linux because of all the bloat and dependency problems. then i tried slack.
if liking superior speed, stability, and package installation makes me a geek, so be it. i couldn't care less how often the website is updated, or if slackware is "marketed" -- in fact, i hope it's not marketed, ever, so it will stay smart, lean, and mean, instead of playing follow the leader and trying to be an "easy" windoze-clone like so many other distros. as long as slack stays slack, i'll never change distros again -- "it just works," and that ain't geeky.
13 • Signs of abating interest in Gentoo... (by Vishruth at 2003-12-17 07:10:46 GMT)
Quoting Ladislav Bodnar - "Despite signs of abating interest in it, Gentoo Linux was one of the most remarkable success stories of this year..."
I do not mean to start a flame or something. But could you please elaborate on this? I'd really like to know more about this.
14 • re:slackhack (by fmj_1943 at 2003-12-17 07:20:43 GMT)
Here,Here tell'em like it is or should be! Totally concur.
15 • "signs of abating interest in Gentoo" (by Jerry at 2003-12-17 11:29:50 GMT)
Now you've gone and done it, Ladislav.... Never say the slightest thing about Gentoo that could be in the least bit seen as negative, remember? Heheh. I'm surprised someone hasn't called you "Ladislav McBride" yet =) I'll tell you... I *LOVE* Gentoo but so many Gentoo users come across as downright fanatical. It's fun to watch, that's for sure. (Don't go jumping all over me folks.. I use Gentoo on one of my boxen too )
That said... I too agree with Ernesto as far as a binary distro goes. Gentoo is as Gentoo is because that's what Gentoo's supposed to be.
16 • "signs of abating interest in Gentoo" (by fdavid on 2003-12-17 15:40:59 GMT)
Yes, it seems that it's a pain in the ass for some of the fanatic Gentoo users that the statistics of Distrowatch shows sg different than they want to see.
So, to all of you, who wonder what "signs of abating interest in Gentoo" could mean, here is _my_ explanation. In 2002 Gentoo had the 3rd place in page hit ranking. This year Gentoo seems to get the 4th-6th place, although the absulute number of page hits of Gentoo has been grown. This could mean the follwings:
1. The Gentoo community grows, but not that rapidly as before.
2. The community of other distros grow faster then Gentoo's.
3. The Gentooers visit less often Distrowatch, than the useres of other distros. (Maybe because of the online package database.)
4. Absolutely nothing.
So if you're not confident that you use the best distro you can have, because it's not on the top of the PHR, choose another one. I like PHR, because it's fun. And I use Gentoo, because it's also fun. But these two has nothing to do with each other.
17 • RE: Signs of abating interest in Gentoo... (by ladislav at 2003-12-17 16:17:24 GMT)
First things first: if you want facts, stats, data, etc, I don't have any. The signs are somewhat subjective based on the community pulse :-)
Firstly, there was one period when the Gentoo page on DistroWatch was visited by more people than the Mandrake and Red Hat pages combined. If sustained, Gentoo would have been at number one by a rather large margin by now - but that didn't happen. Nowadays, even the SUSE page (with no active development branch) gets more hits than the Gentoo page, which only just beats Slackware.
Secondly, there aren't as many Gentoo reviews and articles as there used to be when Gentoo was hot and fresh.
Thirdly, there is a large number of users commenting on public forums with: "I've tried it, it's good, but I just don't have the time, energy, need, interest, etc. to compile stuff all the time." Again, this is more of an observation of a trend, than a fact.
There are other little signs, but I don't think I need to mention them all.
Don't get me wrong, Gentoo is not getting less popular than before. But it's not nearly as hot as it was 6 - 12 months ago when everybody was trying it out. It's a period of consolidation - now the developers can take a bit of a break, look ahead and plan new features. It's like a profit-taking period of a hot stock - when it's over, it will rise again, but much slower than before.
18 • Re: Signs of abating interest in Gentoo... (by Vishruth at 2003-12-18 01:38:11 GMT)
Thanks for the replies. Jerry, I wasn't expressing displeasure or anything like that. I was merely interested in knowing more about a particular thing Ladislav wrote. :p
About 'binary' gentoo, can this really happen? Just look at Debian's release schedule. They are really struggling to keep all those 8000+ packages up-to-date. Gentoo too maintains a reasonably large amount of packages though they are not all binary ones. And if Gentoo must go binary, it will have to, I suppose, get new managers for packages who will have to compile and test packages extensively and make certain decisions which might not go too well with some people (like adding or not adding support for things like gtk2, mod_python, etc...) and then there's QA testing to go through.... blah blah...
So, I don't think binary gentoo is going to happen anytime soon.
19 • Here we go again with fedora (by someguy on 2003-12-18 02:29:38 GMT)
Most people that complain about fedora have not used it.
The problems that I have suffered with fedora are very misculine, and had simmilar problems in RH9. I get updates regularly as fast as I did with RHN (only now its free)
RH are calling fedora unstable, but it is hardly that. It is like debian's testing in a way, (I would say fedora's testing/rawhide is like debian unstable, or even more unstable)
20 • re:• Here we go again with fedora (by None on 2003-12-18 04:26:35 GMT)
Unstable? Ok, I dont use RH any more and not its not becuase of the RH business plan. I use picked something with less bloat (IMHO).
Anyway, I have seen enough people use Fedora w/out a problem. They still get their updates and have more cutting edge software. So their might be a minor snag with the latest widget . I just have read about people hitting snags. However the people I know havent complained one bit. And these are desktop systems not servers.
Core 2 looks interesting with 2.6. I must say that. Enough with the knocking of RH and Fedora. Its still Linux. And guess what, the OS is stable.
21 • re slackware for geeks? (by Andronik at 2003-12-19 14:38:02 GMT)
quote: "can anybody, but a geek seriously consider Slackware Linux with a web site updated no more than a few times a year and a total inability (or unwillingness) to market itself?"
whilst not willing to start any distrowar here, slackware is very considerable choice.
It is simple, nice, clean and fast.
it follows standards.it uses standard compilators.
it is stable, it has been here long time available, to make it feel more reliable than some other "big distros" .
it is also easy enough for any administrator, there is allways possibility to get anithing working as you want ,as long sources for programs are freely available.
it is up to date, and it is ready for 2.6 kernel (i am running on it).
and whilst website is updated not too often, information is always there, bugs are fixed and this is done fast.
before stating anything more "about geek manner" please do your homework at this distro and it's community first.
Slackware is very first distro i know for what i want give off my money,whilst it is free.
22 • statistics (by sven at 2003-12-19 22:57:12 GMT)
when i started using gentoo i found my favourite linux distro and since then i havent had much need to check out whats hot on distrowatch. i don't know but maybe whats happening is that people are settling down on their favourite linux distro and that shows in the statistics.
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24 • Sun's Java Desktop = Morphix not Suse?? (by Robert Lindsay at 2003-12-20 07:42:33 GMT)
According to Alex of morphix.org (and the guardian uk) Sun's Java Desktop trial version is running on Morphix!
Interesting to ponder the fact that this tiny distro is actually powering Sun's much hyped Windows replacement :-)
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