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1 • Distro Category (by John Gabriel at 2003-11-17 10:49:07 GMT) |
Memory Requirement Caregories:
2 • Distro Category (by David on 2003-11-17 11:45:11 GMT)
Used (default) Desktop Environment (KDE, Gnome, XFce, CDE, Rox, XPde...)
3 • Distro Category (by Sven at 2003-11-17 12:23:23 GMT)
something that indicates how easy/hard the distro is to use and manage
4 • Number of distributions in the database: 199 (by W T Zhu on 2003-11-17 12:45:46 GMT)
Previously I thought that we would have the 200th distribution around Christmas. Now it seems it will come right this week :-)
5 • Mepis (by Siacs on 2003-11-17 13:09:30 GMT)
I Urge Everyone to go try Mepis Linux.Its a very polished live CD that includes all the latest software.Installs to your hard drive with the click of a button.The official release will be in about a week.
Watchout Libranet . Of course it's a free download
6 • bad URL at Pingwinek (by Grzegorz Dąbrowski at 2003-11-17 13:14:26 GMT)
The URL is: (...)distribution=pengwinek but should be distribution=pingwinek
7 • Fedora (by z5rz on 2003-11-17 14:55:37 GMT)
I've been a RedHat user for about 2 years. First 7.2 and then 9.0. Both purchased copies (just to let you know I am not a total leach :-) ). I still consider myself a newbie. I have now downloaded Fedora and am using it. I also have tried most of the other distros. I was really surprised by the comments in the editorial on this site. Linux is still coming of age. I haven't tried one distro that makes everything on my computer work at setup out of the box. Whether it be the scanner, the tv card, network, ntfs partitions, wireless cards, dvd movies etc. I still have to find the mp3 drivers or the dvd decoders or insert a config file for samba here or there. Some distros do many of these well, others few. The bottom line, the Fedora distro is in my experience still one the best. It is free. It is still the RedHat I am used to. And its got a tremendous community and support behind it. RedHat, in making a business decision, did in my humble opinion, the honorable thing. They turned it over to the community and continue to allocate resources for it. There are other good distros out there. I just happen to think that the current new path of this distro is a very very good thing. Remember, the only constant is change. Think about how else this could have gone.
8 • Fedora (by JOE at 2003-11-17 15:28:37 GMT)
I agree with Grzegorz I,ve been using Red Hat with apt and synaptic to add the media back and stay updated for over a year so Fedora is just taking the place of what would have been Red Hat 10 for me. I,ve been real happy with Fedora and feel its done a lot to make it easy for third party plugins.Thank,s Fedora
9 • Fedora (by Goth on 2003-11-17 15:48:21 GMT)
I've been using Red Hat since 8.0 and currently testing Fedora.... I can't tell right now if I'll stick to it or not, but meanwhile I'm downloading Mandrake
10 • Fedora (by Fredg on 2003-11-17 15:55:05 GMT)
Too early to tell for me on Fedora long term, but my critical Red Hat 7.3 server will be EOL on 12/31. From what I have seen so far of Fedora, I will not be replacing my 7.3 server with it.
What I am looking at now is one of the RHEL 3 rebuilds.
11 • Redhat Fedora Problem (by Ian Pohl at 2003-11-17 16:00:23 GMT)
I have been using RH since version 5.0 and feel that I have had my legs removed from under me.
I have been providing Redhat solutions for alot my my clients, and even went as far as doing the certification.
Using Fedora which in there words is a Bleeding-edge release, is like running beta software. ( NOT FOR PRODUCTION LEVEL INSTALLATIONS).
So yes I am looking for an alternative that is maybe not to commercial.
Novell has just acquired SUSE....How long do you think it is going to be before we see the same thing happening there.
Maybe the LFS handbook is the way to go and just do it all yourself.
12 • Goodbye RedHat (by John Hinton at 2003-11-17 17:10:29 GMT)
I've been using RH since 5.2. Have purchased many boxed editions and maintained RHN subscriptions. Now in what appears to be a totally mixed up and unclear RHEL move from RH, it looks like RedHat was no where near ready to announce when they did (not even a package list for the variants?).
My hosting business has mission critical servers. Fedora is no answer. RHEL seems to direct me towards what appears to be proprietary webservers and lots of bloatware.
I don't think my managed server customers are ready to pay an additional $30 or more per month to have RHEL on their machines. (Gee, I think I could do M$ stuff for less?)
RedHat has left the harbor with an unfilled boat, leaving behind the huge root core of small business techies which put them where they are today. The door is wide open for another distro and I predict that after a short term success, RedHat will begin to suffer, as the tech community jumps on board one of the other 'friendly' cruise linuxers.
RedHat sold me subscriptions to RHN, with the guise that I will be taken care of with regards to timely and stable updates and patches. What is the next lie?
Now I'm faced with changing OSes on a large number of webservers running a LOT of custom configs. I'm having a really tough time sitting down right now.
13 • Fedora Core: More bugs than the beta! (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-11-17 17:44:54 GMT)
At least with the beta I could get the nVidia drivers installed so that GLX doesn't keep crashing!
I'm getting kernel panics, slow slow performance, and improperly detected hardware. Nothing will build right anymore. What's really puzzling is that Red Hat 8.0 was able to detect a lot of this stuff right, so what happened? And why are they hiding OpenOffice? I'm totally puzzled. I'll certainly give them another chance with their next version, but what I think all the Linux distributions could use is much better adherance to the standards.
My first Linux was Red Hat 8.0, and I have tried about 50 Linux's so far. I stuck with Red Hat for over a year, convinced that it was the greatest choice. However, 9 and then Fedora disappointed. Sure, 8.0 and 7.3 are solid, but I can't use stuff that old. I recently switched to Slackware, of course. I can't really provide Red Hat / Fedora for my customers. Mandrake 9.2 seems to be lacking PPP out of the box, and since that's all this town has, Mandrake's not a choice. SuSE 9.0 looks interesting, and I'll likely be using it when it comes out, but at the moment, only two choices look usable: Slackware and J.A.M.D.
Despite this, Microsoft is a dead man walking. (-:
14 • On categorising distributions: (by Bob on 2003-11-17 17:49:52 GMT)
15 • Target Focus (by Leo on 2003-11-17 18:14:43 GMT)
Here go my 2cts:
1) Target focus is very interesting as a category, but it will be a little tricky to implement. Some distros (like Suse, Mandrake, etc) have two, perhaps three or more main targets: desktop, server, corporate ... You may want to allow for up to ...3, maybe 5 target focuses
2) Educational, Kids, etc ... these are important items for target focus I think
16 • categorising distributions (by GYS at 2003-11-17 19:44:40 GMT)
I would like to see a category for secure or hardened distros, as suggested.
Will it be feasible to rate distros for "speed" on defined hardware ? (e.g Vector Linux is generally felt to be "fast", some people feel Red Hat 9 is a bit "slow".)
17 • Fedora Core 1 (by Andreas on 2003-11-17 20:30:05 GMT)
I've been using Red Hat since 7.1 and I switched immediately to Fedora. So far I don't anything to complain about. I also work as a linux sysadmin and I'm currently working on switching over to Fedora desktops. I've deployed a couple of "beta" desktops and so far everyone seems to be very happy with them. Time will tell if Fedora succeeds, but I sincerely hope so.
18 • Fedora (by kmp on 2003-11-17 21:06:31 GMT)
I've been using Red Hat as my primary desktop since 8.0. Before that, I used Debian, Mandrake, and Gentoo. I've used it at work as a server platform since 6.2. Fedora Core 1 is just as stable as the previous Red Hat releases and is a nice upgrade. I like the community oriented approach of Fedora and will contiue to use it on my personal machines and non-critical work machines.
For the servers, we are buying RHEL 3. We use mostly proprietary apps that need a certified distro. Both RHEL and SUSE's SLES are priced similarly, and our skillbase is Red Hat, so its an easy choice.
That said, I do have a few gripes with Red Hat:
1. Red Hat needs to do better communicating its intentions. Its been confusing, first announcing the shortened lifespan of RHL, but offering only the high end RHAS. Finally, they released cheaper versions in the RHEL line, but then killed off RHL completely for Fedora. And now, they release Red Hat Professional Workstation for $99, which isn't too bad....yet they don't plan to offer renewals for it after 1 year? Then they wait months after announcing the RHL change to announce academic pricing. They need to get their plans together and not sow such confusion!
2. The AMD64 RHEL options are way too expensive. AMD64 is a low cost platform. We need a Red Hat supported OS that is equally inexpensive.
3. The Standard and Premium RHEL pricing is about right. The Basic pricing needs to be cheaper. I think the 50% discount they are offering right now to RHN customers should become the normal price.
19 • Fedora Core 1 ? (by Tim at 2003-11-18 04:38:11 GMT)
Fedora core now there is something, if you are in Canada and you can only go online through ADSL then do not upgrade. I plan to look for something else that will at least let this computer use my dsl. Knoppix is greate wile on the disk but not on the drive again DSL is a problum.
If like me ADSL is all you've got what can you do, and what distro can you use? I am looking for something else....
20 • Don't have a warm fuzzy Fedora so far (by Rick at 2003-11-18 07:34:30 GMT)
I upgraded one RH 9 system using Fedora Core 1. I went ahead despite the warnings about potentially incompatible RPMs. How bad could it be with as few things as I'd installed on that system?
No networking after the upgrade. Does this mean that even the RH 9 security and bug patch updates were a problem? Dunno, but I'm already missing the QA that used to go into RH releases.
So I'm looking for a new distro. I'd like more frequent technology updates than I'm likely to get from RH Enterprise products. But am I willing to go the Fedora route with the uncertainties there about security updates? Not clear. I really did appreciate the update service that RHN provided. That's why I paid for it. I'm not happy to lose it - especially since some of the subscriptions continue long past the end of life date for RH 9.
21 • Call for Timesavers (by warpengi at 2003-11-18 07:58:01 GMT)
I joined Timesavers for the planned comparison section and to support this excellent site. It would sure be nice to see the implementation of the features.
I know somewhere out there in Distrowatch land is someone with the skills and time to make this happen. Step up and add your support to a top-notch, timely, relevant, useful and tasteful Linux web-site and make a little money doing it too.
22 • Here comes the 200th distribution @distrowatch.com (by W T Zhu on 2003-11-18 09:29:02 GMT)
Virux Live CD
23 • RE: Call for Timesavers (by ladislav at 2003-11-18 11:17:26 GMT)
There is some interest. I've had a few offers from people living in USA, Australia, Pakistan, Latvia...We haven't finalised anything yet, but it looks like Timesavers will live on.
24 • Vander Jagt story, ppp and Mdk 9.2 (by Leo on 2003-11-18 14:57:46 GMT)
Very refreshing to read this story, thanks Ladislav. I'd love to see thousands of small businessess grow in this direction all over the world.
Benjamin: I don't understand your problem with Mandrake 9.2. I use it at home, over a dial-up ppp connection, all working "out of the box". I used slack in the past, but I honestly think Mandrake is much more appropriate for desktop usage and rapid server deployment. It is nice and polished, and sofrware installation/upgrade is a snap from the control center. Even a 100 Mb of software upgrades can be done over ppp while you sleep. For a traditional unix-like server, slack would be good too.
But the point is: ppp is available by default in Mandrake, though the easiest way to allow a user to use it is to get them to use kppp. When you set up a user account for a costumer you can show them how to put their info in kppp, it is just a few steps and it works great.
Best luck with your business !
25 • John Hinton - Goodbye Red Hat (by John Lowell on 2003-11-18 20:12:29 GMT)
John Hinton is right on target when he says:
"RedHat sold me subscriptions to RHN, with the guise that I will be taken care of with regards to timely and stable updates and patches. What is the next lie?"
The only person who's shown more contempt for the GNU/Linux community and who might be more oily than Bill Gates is Matthew Szulik. I got out when the subscriptions came in and have never looked back, John. It's time for the community to dissociate itself from this bird.
26 • RedHat, Fedora and ... (by robT on 2003-11-18 20:34:09 GMT)
Sun. It just struck me yesterday, but didn't Sun base their Linux desktop on RedHat? If that is the case, is it merely coincidence that RedHat dumps the desktop and Sun picks it up? And for what it's worth, I doubt if RedHat cares much about how widely Fedora is accepted/used. They have to put the effort into REL anyway.
27 • RE: RedHat, Fedora and ... (by ladislav at 2003-11-18 22:59:41 GMT)
It just struck me yesterday, but didn't Sun base their Linux desktop on RedHat?
No, Sun Java Desktop System is based on SUSE.
28 • Fedora <=> Mandrake Cooker ? (by Chris at 2003-11-19 01:39:31 GMT)
On the one hand the way RH put's it in their PR I could be forgiven for comparing Fedora to Mandrake Cooker (or worse).
On the other hand, SuSE have been charging for their OS just like RH now want to do, with great success.
(I used Mandrake for a while after trying RH and then finally settled on SuSE 9 Pro. The perfect replacement for a Windows Power Desktop user needing to get stuff done IMHO)
So what's the problem, could it be that the 'loyal' community of RH are having a difficult time digesting the fact that they will have to pay for it in future?
Or is RH's asking price to steep for what you get?
How much longer can the bankrupt Mandrake keep giving away their OS as free ISO's too?
I like open source & Linux & I am willing to pay a realistic price for a quality disro.
(My hobby OS is Gentoo 1.4 for fiddling about)
29 • RE: Redhat and Fedora (by Honaby at 2003-11-19 02:57:44 GMT)
I started my Linux adventure with RHL 7.0 and upgraded to every release RH has till 8.0. Then I stumbled upon an FTP server called SUSE.com then everything changed! Its like wow!!! I did'nt know that FREE OS can be as good as it gets! And only SUSE linux made feel that way. I tried alot of linux distros including Mandrake's but still SUSE is the best for me.
The only hope that I have is that FEDORA will fill in the gaps that is missing on REDHAT Linux. I really wish that the quality that SUSE has can also be found on a true FREE distribution like FEDORA. Unlike SUSE which doesnt offer ISO's.
30 • Fedora (by jeanmm at 2003-11-19 13:22:14 GMT)
Fedora is the first Linux I ever installed on my computer. When I read about the reasons to separate home users from Redhat's corporate clients, I find it really shocking. RedHat would not exist as it is nowadays without feedback and support from all it's users, especially home users, who paid an immense tribute to improve all parts of Redhat's distribution.
I did not choose Fedora, it's merely the only known distribution to start on my computer (Packard Bell Imedia 6007a), and only when I change my USB keyboard and mouse for PS2 ones. So for example if a user with the same PC doesn't know anything about USB and PS2, he would merely come to the conclusion that Fedora is a very poor distribution, and would decide to never install Linux.
Now I will try to install a second distribution, if possible Mandrake, and then I will have choice. I have great doubt for Fedora's future if some Redhat representatives continue to make some insane public declarations. This is one of the reason to not rely only on Fedora/Redhat. Sure I'm not alone.
Redhat's users and generally speaking Linux and Linux users do not deserve what some people at Redhat's premises decide and think. Long live Linux and people acting positively for Linux.
31 • Re: Fedora <=> Mandrake Cooker ? (by Leo on 2003-11-19 15:46:55 GMT)
Chris: I think you are mixing different things a bit.
SuSE has been charging, yes, and not providing free (gratis) isos. But they have a full range of products. From very expensive, corporate solutions to home user / small office.
Mandrake decided to be totally open: isos for free, home products, the club, and also corporate solutions, and then cooker for enthusiasts and testers.
RedHat has decided to drop the middle range: the home user/small business. You either use Fedora, and it is not clear whether Fedora will be more like the old standard redhat, or more like Cooker, a testbed. This is exactly where the concerns begin ...
32 • UserLinux (by Leo on 2003-11-19 15:56:05 GMT)
I am sure you are aware. But this is something to watch out for: http://www.userlinux.com/
Bruce Perens is behind it, he seems to have big, real big companies behind, and a very sensible approach:
( http://www.linuxworld.com/story/37872.htm )
"Also, the most important thing about UserLinux is that it is an attempt to change the economic paradigm of the Linux distribution. We feel that creating a Linux distribution doesn't work as a profit-center, and that it is better viewed as a cost-sharing exercise. So, the customers involved in UserLinux will be paying for the engineering of creating a Free Software system, rather than for boxes, "seats", or user licenses. The system will be certified to various standards and vendor requirements with their funding, and the result will be given away. The customers get all of the copies they need with no incremental cost per seat added. They will have to pay for service."
So, there you have it, o corporate backed, free as in gratis, free as in libre, Debian based, Desktop and Server oriented distro. It's gonna be a big thing, no doubts about it. I think that in a year time or so it will be in the group of the "big five", with RedHat, SuSE, Mandrake and Debian.
33 • Leo (Thanks! / Mandrake) (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-11-20 02:50:51 GMT)
Many thanks! ^_^ It's going quite well. Everyone's thrilled about it, and attention is really increasing. There are even talks about a contract with the High School I'm next to, which would really let Linux shine!
As for Mandrake, honestly speaking, Mandrake, Red Hat, and SuSE are very refined right out of the box, but I can only ever treat them as training wheels because of how far they stray from standard. For example, it was a torturous experience to try to install the 2.6 kernel in any of them...which I could never do. Slackware, however, took it the very first try. When I used the big three, whenever I saw a program available in .tgz source, I'd have to read the directions for how to modify things to make it work. Everything in Slackware works, tho. It's as though when a developer makes something for "Linux" in general, they really only need to make it for Slack.
While modification makes a big difference off the starting line by having a nicely refined package, it hurts in the long run when it becomes virtually impossible to install what you want. I've even consistently been able to manually unpackage stuff from practically any distribution into Slackware and have it magically work.
I'm considering making a modified Slack, which is almost hypocritical, but the way I plan to modify it is to expand upon all the packages and submit the source code to the authors. For example, instead of copying and rearranging the KDE menu entries and placing them in GNOME, making a tool that will gather KDE entries and do that for me. I want to stay standard while eliminating the need for the terminal.
34 • Kalango is Brazilian (by Ariszlo at 2003-11-20 12:40:03 GMT)
Every screenshot of Kalango shows the icon of the Brazilian keyboard layout:
35 • Linux Distros? (by Mike O'Melia at 2003-11-20 12:52:55 GMT)
I am very dissappointed in RH. Sure, they should get monies from companies who use their product for profit (service). They should have offered a better solution for their loyal user base (than Fedora!)
I think their loyal user base should get RHEL at a fair, low, ONE time price (free would be good!) AND have access to updates. As it is now, they are forcing a HUGE segmentation in the user and market place. And in the long run, they will only create more competition for themselves.
36 • RH / FEDORA (by pr0c on 2003-11-20 20:14:11 GMT)
Stuff like Redhat just pulled in relation to Fedora etc is why I use a distro like Debian. I never have to stop and think .. is Debian going to be around next year? Is company xyz going to buy them? Are they going to change their plans in a drastic way? Are they going to make me look like an ass to my customers?
When you stop to think about it... Mandrake, Redhat, Suse could all be sold / bankrupt / change their business plans etc at any point without reguard to the end user. Distros like Debian would be far less likely to go out from under you. Just a thought....
37 • My store story as no contact or website or e-mails ? (by Anonymous on 2003-11-21 06:23:44 GMT)
My store story as no contact or website or e-mails ?
38 • Open Letter To Red Hat (by John Lowell on 2003-11-21 08:36:08 GMT)
Just noticed this at OSNews:
It seemed pertinent. My oh my! :-)
39 • My store story (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-11-21 21:51:12 GMT)
Yeah, I didn't want the story to be an advertisement but an inspiration for other computer store owners to make the exodus from the old copyright- and patent-restricted software. Plus, I don't have my T1 set up yet, so I don't really have a website.
40 • Re: Open Letter To Red Hat (by Leo on 2003-11-22 03:06:37 GMT)
Very interesting read, recommended. What as ass the lady from red hat's customer service. What an arrogant attitude. And talking about arrogance, the latest interview to Szukik on slashdot says it all. RedHat is heading for the corporate sector, and the corporate sector only. They are leaving their userbase behind, now that they are big enough. Let's see how it goes for them. I'll personally support other distros ...
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|• Issue 646 (2016-02-01): deepin 15, Mint plans X-Apps, FreeBSD to support boot environments, logging into the desktop as root|
|• Issue 645 (2016-01-25): Linux Mint 17.3 "Xfce", Chromixium changes its name, Ubuntu tablets coming soon, Linux vs BSD comparision|
|• Issue 644 (2016-01-18): Kwort 4.3, Sabayon tests ARM images, Slackware adopts PulseAudio, running Linux without GNU software|
|• Issue 643 (2016-01-11): Solus 1.0, Mint provide upgrade path to 17.3, Fedora developers work on stability, running the LXQt desktop|
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