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1 • old red had releases (by ray carter at 2003-10-20 12:42:53 GMT) |
The 'Bookman's' chain of book stores frequently has old copies of RedHat.
2 • A productive week (by W T Zhu on 2003-10-20 12:50:46 GMT)
Eight new distributions were added to Distrowatch's database, and there comes the long waited Mandrake Linux 9.2. When I entered the laboratory on the morning of October 16, I found that BitTorrent had completed downloading "FiveStar". I re-installed two machines without hesitation, one is my workstation, and anther is my network firewall through which I and my labmates access the Internet. Do not be surprised to know that the firewall is such a "full-featured" PC -- no CD-ROM drive, no floppy drive, only a PII-350 CPU which is very popular in late 1990s -- and Mandrake Linux 9.2 do runs smoothly on such a firewall!
3 • Ancient distributions (by Richard at 2003-10-20 12:50:58 GMT)
You can buy copies of very old linux distros (e.g. Debian 0.93R5, Red Hat 1.1) from this website:
I don't know if they ship overseas, though...
4 • Old Distro's and Not so Free Linux (by Honaby at 2003-10-20 14:46:06 GMT)
Why bother finding the old ones? it's like using Turbo Pascal 5 when you can use Delphi... just curious!
Regarding the Commercial Linux Distros, "Money" is the thing that gives high quality to a certain product. I've seen a lot of free stuff but I haven't seen anything that matches the quality of their commercial equivalent.
5 • Free vs Commercial (by Honaby at 2003-10-20 14:55:58 GMT)
By the way, I just wanted to add something....
For me, there's only 2 kinds of linux distro... A commercial Distro that became free which uses the term "Community" because it cannot maintain its profitability. And the other is a free or "Community" distro which is being "SOLD" or "MASKED" using a different name (which is wise!) and uses the community to help it develop then sells the finish product back to the ones who helped built the distro which is the "Community".
I guess you all know what I'm trying to say here... hehe.
6 • Re: "Money" is the thing that gives high quality (by fdavid on 2003-10-20 16:13:52 GMT)
"Regarding the Commercial Linux Distros, "Money" is the thing that gives high quality to a certain product."
Wanted to say expertise?
"I've seen a lot of free stuff but I haven't seen anything that matches the quality of their commercial equivalent."
You should look further. You must have missed sg.
7 • re: "Money" is the thing that gives high quality (by Syntaxis at 2003-10-20 17:07:06 GMT)
I second fdavid's post. You haven't been looking closely enough. Here are some of the things that have apparently passed you by; I'm using Debian as an example because that's what I use and therefore what I know best.
Debian is still pretty much the leader the field in terms of packaging quality and integration throughout the distribution as a whole (see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ and http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference), plus an enormous amount of software is provided in one central package repository so you don't have to scrabble around on freshrpms or other third party sources for everything, as you do with the RPM-based distributions. Additionally, debs support "suggests" and "recommends" fields whilst RPMs do not, which means less fine-grained package management. Debian also supports 11 architectures, far more than any commercial distribution is ever likely to.
Those are just a few examples off the top of my head. That's not to say it's the perfect distribution (far from it - heck, *nothing* is perfect) but there are most certainly areas where Debian matches or surpasses its commercial equivalents. I'm sure you could find plenty more examples in other community-developed distros too, were you to only open your eyes.
8 • Re: "Money" is the thing that gives high quality (by TheClient at 2003-10-20 17:14:21 GMT)
I am so glad that it was just your opinion. If the opensource developers all had the same opinion as yours, Linux and other opensource projects wouldn't be where they are today.
9 • Older releases (by n0dez at 2003-10-20 17:30:46 GMT)
Here you can find older releases of Red Hat Linux, Slackware Linux, FreeBSD, etc.
Just click on the flavor/distro and scroll down (look for "Miscellaneous"). Please note that the same FTP mirror could be hosting older releases of other Linux distros/*BSD flavors.
I hope this helps you.
10 • Old CDs (by n0dez at 2003-10-20 17:47:01 GMT)
Oops, I forgot.
I do have some old CDs lying around...
FreeBSD 1.0, 2.0.1, 2.0.5, 3.0
Slackware Linux 2.2, 2.3, 3.0, 96 (3.1), 3.9
Red Hat Linux 4.1, 6.2
This is what I've found so far. I might have other releases.
The main problem is that my Website is hosted for free and don't have enough space and bandwidth to host these ISOs.
11 • SuSE (by Anonymous on 2003-10-20 18:52:29 GMT)
SuSE does give their work away (FTP version), just not the ISO installation form and without included licensed commercial applications.
12 • Money? (by wouter at 2003-10-20 22:31:25 GMT)
Honaby said: "Money" is the thing that gives high quality to a certain product.
You say that on a Linux site?...
In fact, the only guarantee that people want to have the best product, is if they do it with love and pride. Money has nothing, ever, to do with guaranteeing quality, especially not in this over-commercial shove-the-crap-down-your-throat times. It's just handy to pay ignorant marketing liars or pay off "alliances", "business friends" or to lobby it in big corporations or governments.
13 • "Money" (by Honaby at 2003-10-21 03:11:06 GMT)
Ladislav said: Debian and Gentoo - wonderful as they are, they are far from being the most user-friendly products on the market.
See, the problem with Debian and Gentoo is its just plain hard to install and configure. Its like saying "Install at your own risk!" or "This is free... so prepare to lose some money on damages it will incur if you miss configure it!"
Syntaxis said: plus an enormous amount of software is provided in one central package repository so you don't have to scrabble around on freshrpms or other third party sources for everything
Well, you are right about that, sites like Freshrpms only posts "Quality Stuff". Thats the reason why not all of the useless stuff are present. Same goes to other third party sources.
Anyway, this is just my opinion, no harm meant. By the way, even the Debian web site has a link for donations!
14 • Example of good free software (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-21 05:59:31 GMT)
Perhaps higher quality tangible products cost more, but as the great teachers from the Free Software Foundation have taught us, software is not a tangible product. Pay for servers, CDs, books, installation services, technical support, custom-built software, and other stuff, but if you pay for public software that might as well be developed by the free software community, you're probably wasting money.
J.A.M.D. Linux fits on one CD, provides all the tools you need, provides Synaptic for the easiest ever software installation, is nicely organized, and is based on Red Hat, the most widely supported Linux.
J.A.M.D. surpasses Red Hat in hardware compatibility, intuitive layout, upgradeability, speed, reliability, usability, and even warmth in the support forum.
It's so easy to use, I would prefer to set grandma's up with J.A.M.D. than any Windows. Adding software is a matter of selecting it and telling Synaptic to install it. It's so much more comfortable to use. It starts faster and uses less memory than Red Hat. I could go on and on. (I don't use J.A.M.D. myself, as I've switched to Slackware, but J.A.M.D. really is *very* good!)
I can't wait to see J.A.M.D. fix up the horrid, deformed blob that Fedora 0.95 will turn into.
(Sometimes, you can get an idea how messy a distro is based on the kind of bugs you get. Well, after installing the nVidia drivers, the kernel informed me that it can't load ELF binaries.....do what?! I killed Gnome. How? I added a user. After adding one new user, Gnome would not let any users other than root to log in. Oh, and for some reason, building the 2.6.0-test8 kernel gives me compiler errors, though it doesn't give me compiler errors in Slackware. I still really like Red Hat 8.0, but something really changed after Phoebe. Fedora *might* do better, considering that the reiserfs module is back by popular demand. We'll see...sorry for my ranting...)
15 • No subject (by fdavid on 2003-10-21 08:39:04 GMT)
Yes, life is hazardous. You take too much risk, anyway. So I wouldn't suggest you to drive a car, because you have to do it at your own risk. What's worse, at other's risk, as well. But I must admit, installing a non-commercial distro doesn't mean so mauch risk. I've never seen a damaged hardware because of a misconfigured linux distro. I'm not even sure that a misconfigured stable kernel can damage any of your hardware. But if you have problems with kernel configuration, preconfigured kernels are usaully also available, even in Debian and Gentoo.
BTW, what has this whole thing to do wtih money and quality?
16 • Old RedHats (by Fritz on 2003-10-21 09:02:54 GMT)
There are other oldies on the same server.
17 • Are ISOs the only criteria? (by Anonymous on 2003-10-21 09:48:27 GMT)
It's quite funny, since I see that the whole distro tree for Mandrake 9.2 is available on the public FTP mirrors. This seems pretty "free-beer" to me. It's just a realisation that paying customers don't like to see non-paying customers getting better service (ie those with bigger bandwidth having CDs before those who pre-ordered).
Anyway, over 5000 users have downloaded full ISO sets already.
It seems this site is quite biased against Mandrake, and the need for distributions to actually be able to pay developers salaries.
For the Debian folk, how many full-time developers (working on generic software, not Debian-only stuff or on packaging) does Debian fund? What would happen if all the paid developers working for the commercial linux distributions could no longer do so? Oh, we probably would have a Debian release cycle that is 3 times as long with half the features.
I thought Open-source was about free as in speech ... have I got it wrong, or has distrowatch.com got it wrong?
18 • RDF (by Juliano Barreto at 2003-10-21 12:14:29 GMT)
I wanna a link to receive the Distrowatch's weekly in my e-mail or to see that in RSS format. Anyone can help me?
19 • Looks Just Fine (by John Lowell on 2003-10-21 15:15:58 GMT)
Just noticed the fact that the problem of text spilling over into the area of the distro listings on the right side of the main page has been fixed. Things look just fine now, fonts and text.
20 • That's not fair to say, Anonymous (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-21 15:27:10 GMT)
"It seems this site is quite biased against Mandrake, and the need for distributions to actually be able to pay developers salaries." - Does it seem to you that this site is biased towards any distro? It seems to me like it's fair and balanced. This site's as cool as Fox News Channel!
"For the Debian folk, how many full-time developers (working on generic software, not Debian-only stuff or on packaging) does Debian fund? What would happen if all the paid developers working for the commercial linux distributions could no longer do so? Oh, we probably would have a Debian release cycle that is 3 times as long with half the features." - from Debian.com: "The Debian Project is an association of individuals who have made common cause to create a free operating system." But even so, you must be new to the free software community, as you don't seem to understand how it works.
"I thought Open-source was about free as in speech ... have I got it wrong, or has distrowatch.com got it wrong?" - Open-Source is not about free speech. GNU GPL, public domain, BSDL, and the other free licenses are about free speech. And DistroWatch sure has it right. When Ladislav removed SCO from the list of Linux's, I put up my fist and shouted, "Yesss!"
I am normally not so harsh, except that you are making accusations anonymously, so my reply is not to the person who left the post but to the post itself.
21 • Burapha linux (by L Gandolfo on 2003-10-21 22:09:27 GMT)
Is the only way of installing Burapha linux STILL giving it the whole hard drive? And does it still take an hour just to format the HD?
I didn't get any reply to my questions with the previous release, but instead I began to get loads of spam in some unknown Eastern language!
For this reason I am NOT publishing my Email address.
22 • Why the insult? (by DaveW on 2003-10-22 16:29:57 GMT)
"This site's as cool as Fox News Channel!"
Now THAT's insulting.
23 • PCLinuxOnline (by Leo on 2003-10-22 18:36:27 GMT)
Anyone know what's going on with PCLinuxOnline ? Texstar was taking a long vacation, but I thought that was it ! The site has been down for a while :-(
24 • Re: Are ISOs the only criteria? (by Anonymous on 2003-10-23 02:04:36 GMT)
You're right, except that I don't see anybody being unfair to Mandrake.
I think it's just a warning about how far a distro can go while still retaining community respect and the opensource 'attitude'. We can all understand how companies need to pay their employees, and I for one (usually screaming out loud when 'going commercial' is involved) can understand it's rather ridiculous that freeloaders (such as myself) would get the product, -for free and possibly with a higher cost (bandwidth) for mandrake-, earlier than those who paid for it.
I don't use Mandrake, really, but as long as I'm a student without a more or less steady income, I'm not going to spend the little I have on 'official' releases. By the way, I rather run beta's and bleeding edge software anyway, and I consider my bug reports and feedback to be support too.
25 • "Now THAT's insulting." (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-23 03:04:26 GMT)
DaveW, are you from the US? I've heard nothing but bad opinions of FNC outside the US...
26 • Rawhide closed on ftp.redhat.com (by W T Zhu on 2003-10-23 09:38:43 GMT)
Anybody knows why ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/rawhide/ is closed to we anonymous ftp users?
27 • "Now THAT's insulting." (by Mantar on 2003-10-23 21:35:54 GMT)
>DaveW, are you from the US? I've heard nothing but bad opinions of FNC outside the US...
Well, you'll hear plenty of bad opinions from folks inside the U.S. if they're paying attention. Rupert Murdoch's channel has willingly made itself a propaganda arm for the U.S. government and has taken yellow journalism to heights not seen since the term was coined. Of course, the other cable news channels all more-or-less followed suit when they saw how well Fox's 'product' sold.
So yeah, comparing Distrowatch to Fox news is kinda insulting.
28 • "Now THAT's insulting." (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-24 13:04:29 GMT)
I must admit, I've never heard that before. Are we watching the same channel?? o_O FNC has got to be by a wide margin the most irreverent, rebellious news channel that ever existed. When awards were being given out, FNC wasn't dressing up, FNC was revealing the personal history of the judges to show that they were biased. Several of their hosts are against the DOE, ATF, IRS, etc. Before we got FNC, I always thought that news channels always supported Democrats and the UN and bashed the Republicans. I'm neither Rep nor Dem, so I was happy to find a channel that bashes all the hypocrites. Just recently, they were the only news organization to describe partial birth abortion as something other than "an abortion procedure" or "the procedure for abortion during the 6th thru 8th month."
It seems like I only ever hear three opinions of FNC:
1) FNC Rocks!
2) FNC, gag me with a spoon
3) I don't get that channel
There's nobody in the middle between #1 and #2, so one or the other must be right.
Regarding Rawhide, I get a "421: Too many users" message, like I always get.
29 • Rawhide and Longhorn (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-24 13:43:31 GMT)
I got into the Rawhide server! *throws party* Ah, now if I'd only logged in with Konqueror I'd download everything. :-þ
Ya know, this comes out of nowhere, but I took another look at the upcoming Windows Longhorn release. It sports a new GUI and is geared towards security. Well, there's no way Windows can beat the range of powerful GUIs made for Linux, and Windows has *never* had security under it's hat. *snicker* This new Windows release is scheduled to come out in 2005. They're gonna be toast by then! If it's taking so long for them to develop this new release, you can rest assured that it'll be expensive, incompatible with old software and hardware, and illogically arranged. If they had a more frequent release schedule, they might be able to keep a loyal following, but considering one of the most common services my customers ask me to perform is to downgrade the Windows Xtra Problems to Windows 98, they probably don't have much of a loyal following left.
30 • Now who is the Freeloader? (by Never Mind at 2003-10-24 16:41:16 GMT)
"We can all understand how companies need to pay their employees, and I for one (usually screaming out loud when 'going commercial' is involved) can understand it's rather ridiculous that freeloaders (such as myself) would get the product, -for free and possibly with a higher cost (bandwidth) for mandrake-, earlier than those who paid for it."
I am not sure who is the freeloader here, but I would
say in this case that it has to be Mandrake, who is
literally stealing the efforts of many, slapping it's brand
on it (with a useless so called friendly GUI), and
scamming users who have no idea what GPL is all
about (ie those migrating from winblows).
31 • freeloader (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-10-24 22:38:00 GMT)
"my $0.02" - Good point, but, why would I want to pay two cents for your point when I could have gotten the same point from someone else for free? ;-)
Cheers! Three of them, to be exact...
32 • Old Distro's (by Tree at 2003-10-26 09:01:02 GMT)
Older distro's may be needed for older PCs that are still usable. DeLi Linux ( http://delilinux.berlios.de/ ) is specifically designed for older PCs with limited memory and HD space. Some of the software in DeLi is based on older, leaner versions.
Within an intranet protected by a good firewall, there is no reason to change a server's OS. Any distro release that's stable and meets current needs is OK.
33 • No subject (by Mantar on 2003-10-30 01:20:27 GMT)
How fox news works:
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