| DistroWatch Weekly
|DistroWatch Weekly, Issue 17, 29 September 2003
Slackware Linux 9.1 released
A new stable version of Slackware Linux was released late on Friday. As usual, the news was greeted with plenty of enthusiasm by many die-hard Slackware fans and by much curiosity from users of other distributions. What is so special about Slackware? Unlike other commercial distribution makers, such as Red Hat, Mandrake or SuSE, Slackware doesn't come with any system administration tools, it has an amazingly unsophisticated package manager and the company rarely makes headlines in the Linux media. Yet every a new Slackware release is announced, a wave of excitement sweeps the Linux forums and new sites (this OSNews review is a good example). Slackware is to Linux distributions what vi is to UNIX text editors - many people expected vi to die after an abundance of new, more intuitive and user-friendly text editors were introduced. But instead, vi flourished. And while other Linux distributions have certainly managed to take market share away from Slackware, there are still plenty of people out there -- probably a lot more than many would led you believe -- who would never consider using anything else. If you've never tried Slackware before, give it a partition now - and be prepared to fall in love...
Red Hat and the Fedora Project
On Monday, Red Hat, Inc announced the Fedora Project. While these are early days and the projet's directions are still in the process of taking shape, the motivation behind the decision is clear: the North Carolina company intends to build on its "Red Hat" brand to create a solid business platform. From now on, the term "Red Hat Linux" will solely refer to one of the company's enterprise-class products with hefty price tags on them, rather than a product, which anybody can download and use for free. Red Hat Linux 9 was the last free product with the words "Red Hat" in it. Its successor, the Fedora Project, will no doubt continue in the tradition of fine releases for "developers and operating system enthusiasts", as Red Hat puts it, with the added bonus that the new distribution will be unhindered by commercial motives (the greatly enhanced up2date in Fedora 0.94 beta is an excellent example of this). If you still have misgivings about Red Hat's motives, then relax - this is a great decision which will benefit all of us. The soon-to-be-released Fedora Linux 1.0, code name "Cambridge" will be a very pleasant surprise.
Mandrake Linux 9.2 for Mandrake Club members
The controversial decision by MandrakeSoft to withhold the release of Mandrake Linux 9.2 for several weeks, during which ISO images will exclusively be available to MandrakeClub members, was greeted with widely varying reaction. This is the first time in the company's history that its popular product is not immediately downloadable and many felt disappointed by the decision. On the other hand, those who had joined MandrakeClub previously seemed to approve the policy change. The company is also making sure that the Mandrake Linux boxed sets are ready for shipping before the ISO images are uploaded to mirrors. Overall, it seems that MandrakeSoft is taking resolute steps to assure its long-term survival in the increasingly competitive world of Linux distributions. What's our take? If you enjoy Mandrake Linux and if you use it on a daily basis, then by all means do join the MandrakeClub. At only US$60 per year, it is not only the right thing to do to help supporting future development of your favourite distribution, it is also a genuinely useful and fun place to engage in Mandrake-related activities. It is also be the best place to obtain Mandrake Linux 9.2 when it is released...
|Released Last Week
The Dyne:bolic live CD project released Dyne:bolic 1.0, code name "MAKROLAB": "This is the long awaited 1.0 version of dyne:bolic. It now realizes the first vision i had back in 2001 when i started working on it. The MAKROLAB release has some new important features, despite the announced feature freeze of the beta we still have some juicy news: OpenMosix automatic clustering support (also for xbox!); DRI 3d acceleration on Matrox, Intel and other cards; new ISO generator and online updating system; new software: iceage, mjpegtools, most, gvidm, LiVES, e2undel, ntfstools, parted..." The announcement.
A new bug-fix release (V3.3-2003-09-24) of the increasingly popular Knoppix live CD, version 3.3, is now available: "V3.3-2003-09-24 (small bugfix). Updated cdrecord package to fix permissions of /usr/bin/cdrecord, so CD-recording in user-mode works again (k3b); pcmcia-cs update." See the complete changelog and package list.
Morphix 0.4-1 was released: "New LightGUI, KDE, Game and Gnome combined ISOs have been uploaded. What are the biggest changes? Well, after the recent poll I've renamed Morphix HeavyGUI to Morphix Gnome, and it has Gnome 2.4 together with a host of updates. Gnome and KDE themes have been changed, improved installer, LUFS has been added, the list goes on and on. Also, I've made an OOo minimodule people could use together with mainmodules without it. Partitionmorpher, IsomorphGUI and MCP haven't been included yet, but hoping to have some packages for users to play with soon. If you can't wait hit the CVS, do backup your data if you want to play around with PM." The announcement.
MEPIS Linux 2003.08.01
A new bug-fix release of MEPIS Linux was released: "Today, MEPIS LLC announced the release of MEPIS Linux 2003.08.01. This is an update to 2003.08 CD #1 with changes to address: installation time issues reported by some users; keyboard and localization selection; de localization of the MEPIS utilities. This is primarily an installation-time improvement and bug-fixing release. If 2003.08 already installs and works for you, you do not need this update." The complete change log.
Damn Small Linux 0.4.8
Damn Small Linux 0.4.8 was released. Some of the improvements: "I added Fabian Franz's 'toram' linuxrc routine. So the whole system could be put into RAM. It requires only 64MB of RAM. As suggested, I added a routine that makes an icon for Firebird after download. I did some install clean up. Firebird will only run from the ramdisk as root but runs fine under 'damnsmall' after HD install -- the install script run some perl regex to strip out the sudo from the menu after install. The Firebird icon will act in a similar manner. I restored the ability to chose language specific keyboard layout (e.g. 'lang=de'), the default is US English. The Debian 'wireless-tools' package was added..." More in the changelog.
Source Mage GNU/Linux 0.7
A new version of Source Mage GNU/Linux was released: "The Source Mage GNU/Linux developers team would like to invite you to try our newest release, code named 'Flare'. You can find out more about us sourcemage.org. For a list of the newest changes and please refer to ISO+Release+Changelogs. For the rest of the docs please refer to our wiki. Thanks and have fun!" The release announcement.
Slackware Linux 9.1
Slackware Linux 9.1 was released: "The latest release of Slackware is now online. Thanks to everyone who helped make it possible! Release highlights include support for ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, which will be the default in the upcoming 2.6.x kernel series), GCC 3.2.3 (with GCC 3.3.1 as an alternate choice), GNOME 2.4.0, and KDE 3.1.4. Slackware 9.1 uses the stable 2.4.22 kernel, but is 2.6.x ready." The full release announcement.
A new version of the K12 Linux Terminal Server Project (K12LTSP) was released on Sunday: "K12LTSP v3.1.2 is officially available for your downloading pleasure. The vast majority of the difference between v3.1.1 & v3.1.2 are official Red Hat 9 updates & security patches. There have been a couple of significant changes to the K12LTSP packages: Red Hat 9.0.93 (the Severn beta) uses a different naming convention for the Bitstream Vera fonts. The K12LTSP package has been renamed to be compatible with future versions of RH..." See the rest of the release announcement.
Several other distributions released stable or development versions, but did not make any announcements; these are ADIOS 1.33 and 2.0-test3, Aurox 9.1 Live Edition (beta), CDlinux 0.4.5 (beta), ESware 2.0rc2 and Magic Linux 1.2pre3.
|Upcoming Releases and Announcements
SuSE Linux 9.0
According to this NewsForge story, SuSE Linux 9.0 will be available on from 24 October: "Changes in the new release include a tool to let users with existing NTFS partitions reduce the partition size to make room for Linux. On the software side, 9.0 includes KDE 3.1.4, OpenOffice.org 1.1, the k3b DVD and CD burning tool, and an enhanced collection of audio software. A new SuSE System Doctor rescue system will restore a system following the unintentional destruction or deletion of system-critical files. SuSE's YaST administration tool has a new, clean look, and supports Samba 2.2.8a and NTP synchronization. The operating system itself is based on a SuSE-optimized Linux kernel version 2.4.21."
Update: the above story seems to have been removed from NewsForge, but here is another one by vnunet.com, claiming that SuSE 9.0 will be released tomorrow, 30 September: "One product that will be released imminently is Suse Linux 9.0. The latest version of this product, which is largely aimed at home users, will be available tomorrow, 30 September, Burger revealed exclusively to IT Week."
LinuxInstall.org supports Fedora Project
This is an announcement from LinuxInstall.org: "The Fedora Project is a Red-Hat-sponsored and community-supported open source project. LinuxInstall.org now supports Fedora Project by offering Fedora Core 0.94 Test Release (3 CD-SET) for only $5 including basic installation support. LinuxInstall.org is planning to offer its own distribution based on Fedora
Core Final Release with value added packages when it's available. For more information, please visit linuxinstall.org/fedora.php."
|Web Site News
New on the waiting list
- LGIS GNU/Linux. LGIS GNU/Linux is a modified version of Red Hat Linux with Ximian Desktop 2, Ximian Evolution mail client, Ximian Red Carpet software management tool and OpenOffice.org office suite. It is primarily designed for desktop use.
- Medialinux. Medialinux is a Knoppix-based multimedia Debian distribution on a bootable live CD. It includes nearly 200 audio, graphics and video software. All packages are up from unstable/experimental versions and updated often.
DistroWatch database summary
- Tilix is a new Bulgarian distribution based on Knoppix.
- Trinity Rescue Kit is a Linux distribution based on Mandrake 9.1 binaries. It is designed to rescue/repair/prepare dead or damaged systems, be it Linux or Windows.
- Number of distributions in the database: 177
- Number of discontinued distributions: 24
- Number of distributions on the waiting list: 66
- "Your site is amazing to me. I (and other readers) would love to know more about the technical details behind it. How you update the information, etc. I think this might be a good theme for your "Weekly Issue" if you need some."
There isn't all that much to tell really. DistroWatch is essentially an information site, providing a single place to keep up-to-date with the fast moving world of Linux distributions. The honest truth is that, with the exception of the reviews, it provides very little original content. If you'd like to find out any technical details, download mirrors and other information about your favourite distribution, the relevant distribution's web site is always the best, most authoritative place to look. Yet, 15,000 to 20,000 unique visitors view the main DistroWatch page every day and you can't all be wrong about finding value in information provided here, right? So where is the value? Probably in the way information is organised. Instead of searching Google or finding your way around busy FTP servers, you will often find things faster by browsing these pages.
Most of the work to keep the site up-to-date goes into monitoring each distribution, or more accurately, monitoring their web sites, mailing lists, forums and FTP servers. Many developers of minor distributions are happy to see their work mentioned on DistroWatch, so they submit news about releases by email - this is the best way to ensure timely announcements and updates. Failing that, I do visit the web sites of every single distribution at least once a day and note any announcements. I can understand (or at least make out the meaning in) several languages, including Spanish, Hungarian, Russian, Chinese and Japanese, while Babelfish is there for the rest.
Several places have been automated. Those distributions that provide development branches (Mandrake's Cooker, Red Hat's Rawhide, Debian's Sid, Slackware's Current...) get updated on a daily basis with the help of a few bash scripts. These are not always accurate, because many distributions tend to modify package names and version numbers. Debian is the worst by far - the bash script updating the Debian page includes a lengthy "sed" section which renames the "Debian" package names back to their original names. On the other hand, the script fetching Slackware packages is short and sweet, as Slackware package names are generally kept unchanged from their original names. Parts of the statistics page have also been automated and more will follow as soon as I get some time.
Of course, interaction with DistroWatch readers is an integral part of the web site. It doesn't matter if you are a well-known developer (Mandrake's Gaël Duval, Gentoo's Daniel Robbins, Lycoris's Joseph Cheek and [formerly] Red Hat's Bernhard Rosenkraenzer do occasionally write in with a correction or two, or a simple "thanks") or an ordinary end-user, your email with suggestions and corrections is always read and appreciated, even if I don't always have the time to reply. If I don't, please try to understand: except for the translations into various languages, the entire web site is still very much a one-man job, with some help from PHP and bash.
That's all for this week, keep well and see you next Monday :-)
1 • up2date and Fedora... (by Vm. at 2003-09-29 12:24:52 GMT) |
Will up2date work for everyone in Fedora? Or are users supposed to pay for the updates as they had to with RedHat9?
I never used up2date myself. I stopped using RedHat about a year ago. But I have RedHat9 on my system (acts as my boot manager ;). I am looking forward to checking out Fedora. The announcement of Fedora was wonderful indeed. Hopefully, it will continue to improve and if it does, I will happily continue to recommend it to my potential Linux users with newbieish halos over their heads. :)
2 • Reviews: First look at SuSE Linux Professional 9.0 (by Anonymous on 2003-09-29 13:06:55 GMT)
3 • Mandrake Linux 8.2: gone tomorrow (by W T Zhu on 2003-09-29 13:10:16 GMT)
According to http://www.mandrakesecure.net/en/productlifetime.php, Mandrake 8.2 will no longer be supported and MandrakeSoft will only provide limited base updates for Mandrake 9.0. Desktop users should now turn to Mandrake 9.1, or the upcoming 9.2.
Here is a brief history of Mandrake Linux, for memorial:
Mandrake 5.1 'Venice' -- July 1998
Mandrake 5.2 'Leeloo' -- December 1998
Mandrake 5.3 'Festen' -- Feb 1999
Mandrake 6.0 'Venus' -- May 1999
Mandrake 6.1 'Helios' -- September 1999
Mandrake 7.0 'Air' -- January 2000 (first graphical installer)
Mandrake 7.1 'Helium' -- June 2000
Mandrake 7.2 'Odyssey' -- October 2000
Mandrake 8.0 'Traktopel' -- April 2001 (kernel 2.4)
Mandrake 8.1 'Vitamin' -- September 2001 (devfs)
Mandrake 8.2 'Bluebird' -- March 2002
Mandrake 9.0 'Dolphin' -- September 2002
Mandrake 9.1 'Bamboo' -- March 2003
4 • KNOPPIX based (by Leo on 2003-09-29 14:46:16 GMT)
How many Knoppix-based distros have we seen blooming lately ? If you think of it, Knoppix is the most revolutionary thing in the last 1-2 years. Commercial distros should take a note and release at "Live CDs" that install after automagical configuration, provided the user is happy ... the technology is very clearly out there !
5 • Slackware 9.1 impressions (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-29 15:12:12 GMT)
I am a Slackware convert. I switched to 9.0, assuming it would be several months before I saw 9.1. Then, so my surprise, 9.1 beta, 9.1 release candidate, and 9.1 final were released...bang bang bang. How can they do it so fast and have so few bugs? Probably because, unlike just about every other distribution out there, Slackware conforms to the most basic of standards. When developers develop for "Linux", it can be assumed that it will work in Slackware.
I have found a few bugs, though. Mozilla 1.4 is junk, but that has been my experience in other distributions, too. It doesn't respond to many clicks, dialog boxes have to be closed with xkill, and the mail client doesn't check mail. I installed Mozilla 1.5 RC-2, which looks and runs much better than 1.4, and I simply made symlinks from /usr/local/mozilla/mozilla to /usr/bin/mozilla (and mozilla-installer).
Also, the CD-installer really really doesn't like installing off of the hard drive. If I told it to get its files from a partition, it gave me the list of disk sets to install, but it skipped the installation step! If I told it to get its files from an already mounted partition, it only gave me the base install set. (When I downloaded disc 2, the server timed out with only 4 kb remaining!!) So, I installed that, used the "upgradepkg --install-new /slackware-9.1/slackware/*/*.tgz"command, then restarted from CD1 (mounting but not formatting the drives so that setup knew where everything was), and ran Configure again.
Finally, Gnome 2.4 doesn't have the KDE menu, so in order to get the full range of programs, I either have to use KDE or run "startkde" (which I can easily place in my start-up) and have both the Gnome and the KDE menu running at the same time.
Otherwise, it's fast...way fast. ;-) I'm happy.
6 • thank you (by frequent visitor on 2003-09-29 15:55:50 GMT)
I visit your site nearly every day. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS TO US.
May the force be with you, always.
frequent visitor, UK
7 • "the above story seems to have been removed from NewsForge" (by Anonymous on 2003-09-29 16:20:21 GMT)
It seems to be back.
8 • DyneBolic Review? (by DaveW on 2003-09-29 16:41:09 GMT)
Now that DyneBolic has hit its 1.0 milestone, it would be great to see an indepth DistroWatch review. The distro sounds really groundbreaking, and could just lead the way in a whole new approach to Linux distributions dedicated to specialized purposes (Internet radio production in this case).
Unfortunately DyneBolic's website is kind of lacking in informativeness and all the existing reviews are of old releases as dwell on flaws that probably no longer exist. How about it, Ladislav?
9 • SuSE available on 30th September? (by Anonymous on 2003-09-29 17:09:26 GMT)
Is this an error or will the product be available first as FTP version (or even ISO?) before the boxed version ships on 24th October?
10 • Congratulations! (by Jose M. Portillo at 2003-09-29 18:10:16 GMT)
Congratulations for your web site, it is fantastic!
I visit your site every day, Sundays also, :-)
Thanks for you work.
Regards from Spain.
11 • Mandrake 9.2 at only US$120 per year - or more depending on your budget... (by Benoît Audouard at 2003-09-29 20:06:27 GMT)
Well in fact, the world is stone and mortar as well...
But the real question is whether a Mandrake 10 will be around next year or not ?
As a French, I would be disappointed not to see soldier Mandrake saved... as part of a free (as in GPL) spirit.
Even if it's not free as a beer any more (at first beer, at least... maybe if you were there by the pub closure, you could be offered one, as long as you've contributed before... that's not an apology of drinking, just an image !!!!) : you would not expect to have a free (as gratis) beer entering a pub, so it goes with Mandr-"ale" !
60 € is more for the student - others can contribute more...
Just food for thought - better before a drink ;-) :
- 120 € is not even what you would pay for an upgrade of windoze
- just look at kelkoo with "windows" as a buzz word, you'll get much junk ;-) but can see that an education license for W2K Pro is 186 €
- or a more obvious comparision is W2K server for 5 clients is 1363 €...
true, I saw as well an upgrade for ME at 113 €, who would pay for it ;?).
Now come on... Mandrake 9.2 is not just an OS with no support out of the box, an no application out of the box.
It has become my main home OS for at least one year since 9.0, with no remorse (only a doubt once, just to check, but I punished myself : one hand on the keyboard, the other hand on the power on/off button...). I began with 5.3...
As I would like to make this choice a definitely GO (at home at least), I'm seriously looking forward to contribute at least 120 € (which will represent as much as only one-man day salary...).
Platinum may still be in your budget ?
Make your choice, I'm still pondering mine as I've contributed and would greatly appreciate to be retributed, but what the heck, in the end I think I would only have remorse for the work achieved (not only mine !) if I only listened to the stone and mortar words.
BTW good work stanislav ! Merry Christmas...
12 • No subject (by Anonymous on 2003-09-30 00:25:20 GMT)
Am I a freak? Surely I can't be the only one that reads the hell out of thit site. As GNU/Linux distributions battle it out in the "Highlander" fashion, it's important to have an effective source to learn the day to day/week to week news to stay with the times. This site was just a great idea and came at the right time. I hope the battle for the perfect distribution takes a long time so we can all enjoy the benefits of things like this.
I have tried many distributions in the last few years. Most of the gimmicks people claim as "features" are other peoples' problems. Arriving nowdays are distributions specifically designed for this task and that, making it that much more effective. There isn't a perfect "one" operating system. (yet, or ever?) Its the flexibility of the Linux kernel and the wide variety of software available for it that make it useful. Package management is just a user-preference item, and as long as there are useful forums, people can determine the right one for the right environment before trying all of them. Same with the "source based vs binary" battle. So yes, friends, there may be a near-perfect distribution for YOU. Its made to be tailorable to specific needs. Thats the inherent beauty of GNU/Linux. Enjoy having a choice and a place to read about your choices!
13 • I don't know if you're a freak, but... (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-30 01:22:22 GMT)
"As GNU/Linux distributions battle it out in the "Highlander" fashion" - It seems to be that they cooperate a very large amount, tossing the SuSE HID code here, the Red Hat soundconfig there, etc. Even Trillian is reaching over into the GPL world to give a helping hand to Gaim. This openness and freedom has allowed all the distributions to continue to improve exponentially. Of the immoral software companies, being those that wrongly impose copyrights, it's sort of a Highlander battle...they fight to the death to be the final one to be trampled by free software! It's like the Democratic presidential debates...
14 • To put that last joke into context... (by Benjamin Vander Jagt at 2003-09-30 01:23:05 GMT)
...I'm from the US.
15 • Fedora vs Debian (by Rohaimi at 2003-09-30 04:20:56 GMT)
Will it create a duplication of works
16 • Mandrake and stuff (without the stuff) (by madhunter at 2003-09-30 15:05:04 GMT)
Hell yeah! I don't see anything wrong with a business model that gives paying customers a little more than the non-paying customers. This business model has been around forever (long before the invention of open source... or even computers for that matter). Ever been to Costco? They have a similar business model, which gives extended hours to "Executive Members" over the "Regular Members." To give a more recent and similar example, PHP-Nuke does the exact same thing. When they release a new version, it's exclusively available to members for 30 days before the general public gets it's hands on it. You are pretty much offering the best of both worlds- a retail and free product all in one.
17 • Fonts (by Adam on 2003-10-01 17:59:50 GMT)
Thanks for upping the font size, it's much easier to read.
18 • Fonts (by Chris Hickman at 2003-10-02 08:39:05 GMT)
NO thanks for upping the font size, it is completely different from every other site I browse (huge) and is a pain to look at...looks just right at 75% but then I have to change it back for every other site...pleeeeeeeease change it back!
19 • Fonts (by Guido ing. Pes (PN) at 2003-10-02 10:58:47 GMT)
Please ... change back the font size.
20 • Fonts (by Ariszlo at 2003-10-02 17:42:55 GMT)
Please, don't change them back. Standard-compliant web sites, like http://www.openoffice.org or http://www.mozilla.org use normal size.
21 • Fonts (by pr0c on 2003-10-02 17:54:49 GMT)
Way too big, they are definitly not standard size..
22 • Actually, it is kinda large (by Kobold on 2003-10-02 17:57:23 GMT)
DW uses Arial, and this font definitely feels larger then others, so normal size (used now) is going to be somewhat over the top. Using "small" or changing default font to Verdana would probably make it closer to average reader's sweet spot.
23 • No subject (by John Lowell on 2003-10-02 18:38:07 GMT)
Oy, the fonts! Please revert to previous settings.
24 • DistroWatch could use some standards compliance ;-) (by Leo on 2003-10-02 19:09:55 GMT)
Neither the HTML nor the CSS are standard compliant.
In particular, the latter reveals errors in font specs
25 • FreeBSD (by n0dez at 2003-10-02 22:23:57 GMT)
Someone already said this... anyway, I think that it would be great to see FreeBSD over here. Yeah, FreeBSD IS NOT Linux. IT IS a complete open source OS. Works really great as a both server and desktop OS (you can run Linux apps on it as well).
BTW, I like DistroWatch; it's got lots of useful information.
26 • FreeBSD (by nOdez) (by L Gandolfo at 2003-10-02 23:02:34 GMT)
But I wish somebody did with FreeBSD what has already been done with Debian: make a 'modified distro' (example: Libranet) which makes FreeBSD easier to install and configure.
27 • distrowatch and knoppix (by Anonymous on 2003-10-03 07:21:25 GMT)
Distrowatch is a terrific website, there is nothing else like it on the web. Thank you very much for your work. One of the things that I have gotten out of this site is finding knoppix. I went through redhat and mandrake and still use mandrake on one of my boxes, but finding knoppix was fantastic. Knoppix is the most interesting idea to come along for some time. It's the easiest debian based install. Finds your hardware easily. One heck of a nice desktop linux experience. The only thing I miss about mandrake is MCC. If knoppix had a set of wizards like that it would be almost perfect. The apt system is so far superior to rpm and knoppix is the easiest debian that I have found. I'd like to see knoppix put together a server cd with mandrake type wizards to make it easy to administer. If they ever do, I will probably never run mandrake again. As it is I use mandrake for server and for one box that I run multiple video cards on (mcc setup is easy). I also really like being able to give knoppix to non linux people to try. They have become my distro of choice to recommend for newbies. Thank you Mr. Knopper.
28 • FreeBSD vs Debian (by n0dez at 2003-10-03 09:02:35 GMT)
FreeBSD is easier to install. There is no need to change its installer.
FreeBSD is more stable.
FreeBSD is secure (it's got less security advisories than Debian).
FreeBSD is not outdated. And many other Linux distroes (such as Slackware) are stable, secure and _up-to-date_. I think Debian developers spend a lotttt offf timmmeee testing packages, don't they? There are a few Slackware developers and they produce great quality packages in less time.
29 • Font size (by n0dez at 2003-10-03 09:10:05 GMT)
Oops, I forgot. Yeah, I agree; fonts are BIGGER. I use helvetica 13px as the default font-family and font-size on my Website www.n0dez.com and I think it looks nice.
30 • FreeBSD vs everyone (by Leo on 2003-10-03 17:46:10 GMT)
Posts like yours discourage me and other people from trying BSD. Why do you have to bitch against everyone ? If BSD is so great and all, please go and join a BSD forum and be happy. Why is it that BSD users alway waste their time bitching in Linux forums ? Come on folks, you are superior beings right ? Don't wait your time with us, dumb linux users trying to run a user friendly system ...
31 • Re:FreeBSD vs everyone (by Leo) (by L Gandolfo at 2003-10-03 18:03:47 GMT)
Well said, Leo.
And I wasn't even trying to compare FreeBSD with Debian, I was trying to say that it could do with an easier installer and some configuration tools, otherwise FreeBSD will forever be an elite operating system.
My apologies, Ladislav, this is a Linux site after all.
32 • Re: FreeBSD vs everyone (by Leo) (by n0dez at 2003-10-03 21:28:07 GMT)
I wasn't bithching; I was just giving my opinion. I'm sorry if I discouraged you to try FreeBSD. I also use Slackware Linux and there's nothing wrong with it. I have tried several OSes and noticed that FreeBSD runs really fast. Slackware is the fastest Linux distribution on my computer.
33 • Re: FreeBSD vs everyone (by Vm. at 2003-10-05 07:56:15 GMT)
I don't use FreeBSD (yet). But I am thinking of trying it out very soon. I am just about to download the ISOs for FreeBSD 5.1 now. But I agree with n0dez, FreeBSD would make a great addition to (the already wonderful and vast) Distrowatch.
Leo, I think you are over-reacting to what n0dez said. Please prove him wrong if you will, but merely saying something like "he is bitching and he should go bitch somewhere else" doesn't make sense. Besides, it would have made more sense if Ladislav had said that... he runs this site after all.
And yep, the fonts do look bigger now. The old way was nicer. :)
34 • Re: Re: FreeBSD vs everyone (by Leo on 2003-10-05 20:38:34 GMT)
Sorry n0dez, sorry folks for the strong wording. My point is: there is no need to put one of the most popular GNU/Linux distros down, in a *Linux* site, just to promote BSD. Unfortunately, I see a lot of this, and a lot of elitism by BSD users, as Gandolfo points out. That was my point.
I have no problem if Ladislav decides to include BSD, Hurd or whatever free software he likes on the site. This is HIS site of course Vm. However, I would humbly suggest, for what it is worth, that he keeps a focused site. Google is the best search engine because they do ONE thing and they do it damn well. Distro watch is the best linux-distro site for the same reason.
A good way to include the BSDs without keeping focus could be perhaps to have a sub-project, something like BSD.distrowatch.com I guess ...
By the way, there is a GNU/hurd port of Debian on the works, http://www.debian.org/ports/hurd/. Debian is more about GNU than it is about Linux.
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|• Issue 580 (2014-10-13): Rolling releases, Arch as best distro, GNOME on Wayland, MINIX 3.3.0|
|• Issue 579 (2014-10-06): PC-BSD 10.0.3, Debian's Jessie freeze, setting up home server|
|• Issue 578 (2014-09-29): Calculate 14, Debian's default desktop, Shellshock vulnerability, practical Tiny Core|
|• Issue 577 (2014-09-22): SymphonyOS 14.1, FreeBSD drops pkg_add, MINIX on ARM, GNU screen|
|• Issue 576 (2014-09-15): PCLinuxOS 2014.08, Mint's documentation, Debian's hardware database, CDE|
|• Issue 575 (2014-09-08): Porteus 3.0.1, Fedora's blivet-gui, Red Hat's Docker, systemd|
|• Issue 574 (2014-09-01): Ubuntu Kylin 14.04, Haiku and Linux kernel, Wayland support, Lumina, Bash completion|
|• Issue 573 (2014-08-25): SolydXK 201407, VPN gateway with FreeBSD, Ubuntu MATE, Raspbian, trusting binary packages|
|• Issue 572 (2014-08-18): ZFSguru 10.1, Fedora's Flock, beta installer for "Jessie", Ubuntu Core, rolling releases|
|• Issue 571 (2014-08-11): HandyLinux 1.6, LMDE update, default desktop in "Jessie", running out of disk space|
|• Issue 570 (2014-08-04): Neptune 4, Kubuntu's KDE Plasma 5, FreeBSD and UEFI, Linux servers|
|• Issue 569 (2014-07-28): Deepin 2014, Ask Fedora, Gentoo and LibreSSL, encrypted package downloads|
|• Issue 568 (2014-07-21): Antergos 2014.06.24, Mint based on Debian stable, upgrading CentOS, BinaryTides|
|• Issue 567 (2014-07-14): Manjaro 0.8.10, PC-BSD jails, Debian and glibc, Fedora's DNF, Xiki and Opera 24|
|• Issue 566 (2014-07-07): LXLE 14.04, OpenBSD's SimpleDE, openSUSE artwork, home security basics|
|• Issue 565 (2014-06-30): Chakra 2014.05, Fedora on BeagleBone, Matthew Miller interview, e-book readers|
|• Issue 564 (2014-06-23): Antergos 2014.05.26 and Q4OS 0.5.11, Debian LTS and glibc, Fedora DNF|
|• Issue 563 (2014-06-16): Mint 17, CentOS 7 pre-release, Debian MATE, accessing encrypted content|
|• Issue 562 (2014-06-09): GoboLinux 015, Gentoo interview, Fedora leader change, climagic tricks|
|• Issue 561 (2014-06-02): OpenMandriva 2014.0, Debian GNU/Hurd, Lubuntu and LXQt, Final Term, TrueCrypt|
|• Issue 560 (2014-05-26): KaOS 2014.04, Wayland and KDE 5 on Fedora, distros with commercial support, DenyHosts|
|• Issue 559 (2014-05-19): VortexBox 2.3, LTS-only Linux Mint, FreeBSD 11 ambitions, KDE 5 beta|
|• Issue 558 (2014-05-12): RHEL 7 Workstation impressions, LXQt and Lumina, Haiku interview|
|• Issue 557 (2014-05-05): Xubuntu 14.04, Ubuntu 14.10 roadmap, Fedora Workstation, ownCloud|
|• Issue 556 (2014-04-28): Ubuntu 14.04, LibreSSL, Lumina desktop, Deepin interview|
|• Issue 555 (2014-04-21): Robolinux 7.4.2, Ubuntu release day stats, Debian security, Porteus update|
|• Issue 554 (2014-04-14): Review of FreeNAS, OpenSSL bug, Fedora.next, Robolinux Stealth VM, measuring memory|
|• Issue 553 (2014-04-07): Puppy 5.7 "Slacko", end of Ubuntu One, file encryption with GPG|
|• Issue 552 (2014-03-31): Tanglu 1.0, Ubuntu GNOME LTS, SliTaz for ARM|
|• Issue 551 (2014-03-24): Linux Mint "Debian" 201403, call for end to proprietary firmware, LVM|
|• Issue 550 (2014-03-17): Review of NixOS 13.10, Lubuntu seeking feedback, Android-x86 4.4-rc1 impressions|
|• Issue 549 (2014-03-10): ClearOS 6.5 and UCS 3.2, Gentoo interview, Ubuntu app contest, Into the Core|
|• Issue 548 (2014-03-03): Review of Mageia 4, FreeBSD console driver, filtering web content, Pitivi fundraiser|
|• Issue 547 (2014-02-24): Chakra 2014.02, Ubuntu privacy, preventing unwanted remote logins|
|• Issue 546 (2014-02-17): Review of PC-BSD 10.0, Red Flag closure, Ubuntu and systemd, SlackE18, Fedora book review|
|• Issue 545 (2014-02-10): Impressions of FreeBSD 10.0, Debian votes systemd, Ubuntu file manager, server security|
|• Issue 544 (2014-02-03): Netrunner 13.12, openSUSE future, Ubuntu Touch in emulator, running commands in multiple places|
|• Issue 543 (2014-01-27): Review of Korora 20, FreeBSD 10.0, DNF, ZFS rescue CD, Bridge Linux interview|
|• Issue 542 (2014-01-20): QupZilla, Ubuntu with MATE, Arch on Raspberry Pi, best applications|
|• Issue 541 (2014-01-13): openSUSE 13.1 and Zentyal 3.3, CentOS joins Red Hat, Bodhi on Chromebooks|
|• Issue 540 (2014-01-06): SMS 2.0.6 and SME Server 8.0, Hawaii desktop, PHR statistics 2013, more on multi-part archives|
|• Issue 539 (2013-12-23): Centrych 12.04.3, Fedora 20 and its spins, dividing archives across multiple discs|
|• Issue 538 (2013-12-16): Mint 16 review, RHEL and CentOS 7 plans, SteamOS, Windows XP replacement suggestions|
|• Issue 537 (2013-12-09): OpenMandriva 2013.0, Gentoo developer interview, project Neon, Linux Mint and security|
|• Issue 536 (2013-12-02): Impressions of openSUSE 13.1, Ubuntu Touch, FreeBSD 10 delay, troubleshooting OS lock-ups|
|• Issue 535 (2013-11-25): GhostBSD 3.5, Debian and MATE, Ubuntu 14.04 features, security updates|
|• Issue 534 (2013-11-18): Review of OpenBSD 5.4, Fedora on ARM, menu names vs command-line names|
|• Issue 533 (2013-11-11): Point Linux 2.2, Pisi update, Debian and Xfce, Bruno Cornec interview|
|• Issue 532 (2013-11-04): Ubuntu and Kubuntu 13.10, Debian's init, FreeBSD's PKG-NG, Linux on ARM|
|• Issue 531 (2013-10-28): PC-BSD 9.2, openSUSE testing, nftables, upgrade pros and cons|
|• Issue 530 (2013-10-21): Kwheezy 1.2, DPL interview, Zenwalk's future, keeping up with vulnerabilities|
|• Issue 529 (2013-10-14): Ubuntu's Mir, dmesg and photorec tips, Tiny Tiny RSS|
|• Issue 528 (2013-10-07): Semplice 5, Haiku package management, Klaus Knopper interview, making custom distro|
|• Full list of all issues|
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